Would you trade Zach Duke to LAD for.....
by BigB2323 on Dec 8, 2009 12:50 PM EST
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I was seein the rumors today talking about LA Dodgers interest in Zach Duke and the pirates have been linked to Juan Pierre. I do not want Juan Pierre on this team cloggin up the outfield all though hes a good player no need on this team moving forward id rather see Jones handle RF with Clement getting a chance at 1B until Tabata is ready...
But anyways i think Neal and company should move Duke while his value is at it highest do you think the pirates could get a package of 4 prospects back from the Dodgers like a Scott Elbert LHP, Ivan DeJesus SS or Dee Gordon SS, plus others or is that too much for Zach Duke?
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It was discussed a bit on the Lerud thread
But it depends on whether the Dodgers would get the Pirates to take on Pierre’s contract, as was rumored. If that’s the case, the Bucs should be able to get a couple of premium prospects in return for taking Pierre’s contract off of LA’s hands.
depends
on whether you are saying 4 prospects or “premium” prospects. I think 4 prospects should be achievable- I don’t know however, if anyone would be willing to give up 2 “premium” prospects…
it also depends on how broke the dodgers really are. reports say they’ve got nothing to spend. if ditching pierre’s contract allows them acquire some other players they wouldn’t have been able to before, then it’s worth a lot to them – maybe even 2 premium prospects. seems to me like the most valuable quantity this offseason is payroll space.
Well, he said Gordon, DeJesus, and Elbert
Gordon’s pretty clearly a premium guy, and the other two aren’t exactly chopped liver, either.
That's what I'm saying
The post says Elbert, De Jesus, or Gordon.
I’d take any number of actual premium prospects for a good but non-premium player like Duke…
by Adam Reynolds on Dec 8, 2009 2:52 PM EST up reply actions
for those familiar with the Dodgers system
Who do you like the most? (btw, this is just for info, I honestly doubt the Pierre+prospects for Duke gets done)
I looked around some, and it seems Ethan Martin, James McDonald, Ivan DeJesus rank near the top in most. Scott Elbert seems ok, but I don’t like the idea of trading for a minor league reliever( except as a throw in)
Elbert can start.
He was relieving this year in large part because of innings restrictions due to past injuries, but if we added him, he’d start for us.
you're right
I must have been looking at something else (maybe confused with Schlereth) when I thought I checked his minor league pitching and didn’t see GS as any significant number.
BA had Gordon as their #1
He’s got the highest ceiling, but is at least a couple years away from the majors.
Seems like a speed guy...
We need some power.
He is only 150 lbs…someone show him the HGH.
WE ARE.......PENN STATE!
He's got decent power potential for a MIF.
The ISO should increase as he grows into his body. He’s already got a line drive bat – just needs more strength.
Not sure why people are so myopically fixed on power (by which they probably mean HR, anyway). Runs are runs. If Gordon never hits more than 15 HR in a season, but he’s a 5+ win player on the strength of his contact, baserunning, and defense, then he’s still putting five wins’ worth of runs on the board.
Depends on the effects of his concussion
Prior to ’09, he was a pretty effective hitter.
Given Toronto's reported interest in Doumit...
…and our reported willingness to take Pierre’s deal if we get a sufficient return in other players, I’m starting to wonder whether we’re involved in the larger Blue Jays-Dodgers negotiations over Halladay. If Toronto likes Doumit, maybe the Dodgers would pick him up in order to spin him off to the Blue Jays in a Halladay package. And trading Pierre plus stuff for Duke or Maholm would free up payroll room for Halladay while covering for the loss of a guy like Billingsley or Kershaw as the main player in a Halladay offer.
Making all those moves would pretty much burn LA’s farm system to the ground, but maybe Colletti’d do it anyway. He’s not exactly the personification of good judgment.
i like it in theory
coletti is perpetually in win-now mode and we’re no doubt familiar with LA’s system, but the bigger a deal is, the more unlikely it is and this one is huge. but seeing as we’re just thowing shit at the wall, i guess it could go down something like this:
LA – halladay
TOR – kershaw, 2 prospects from LA, doumit, duke
PIT – pierre (plus his salary), 2 prospects from LA, 2 from TOR
my guess is we’d want to receive a starter back from someone, either one of toronto’s lesser starters or maybe james mcdonald from LA, who we’ve been after before.
just my armchair analysis. thoughts?
Depends which prospects we get.
When you say “4 prospects”, that could be a great deal, or a terrible one.
No Pierre for Me!
I don’t want him at any price! We had him before in the form of Nyger Morgan. We go guys who can play better than him.
So, no way Jose!
How about this theory?
NYY – halladay
TOR – prospect from NYY, melky, doumit, duke
PIT – Austin Romine, 1 good prospect from NYY, 1 scrub prospect from NYY, 2 premium prospects from TOR
by Pinstripe Pirate on Dec 9, 2009 9:53 PM EST reply actions
toronto wont take it
no way they give up halladay plus 2 premium prospects for doumit, duke, melky, and NY prospect!
Doesn't work.
We’re getting too many prospects, Toronto gets shafted on value, and the Dodgers can’t clear payroll for Halladay without moving Pierre.
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