Yanks-DBacks-Tigers Blockbuster
by BurgherKing on Dec 8, 2009 1:56 PM EST
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Looks like the deal is done - Link
Yankees get - Curtis Granderson from Tigers
D'Backs get - Ian Kennedy from Yankees, and Edwin Jackson from the Tigers
Tigers get - Daniel Schlereth and Max Scherzer from the D'Backs, and Austin Jackson and Phil Coke from the Yankees.
I didn't think an agreement would be reached on this one quite as easily, and is likely to be the biggest trade of the winter meetings. The Yanks gave up an awful lot, is my first reaction. But they can afford to, like they can afford to overpay for free agents.
However, this deal probably has other impacts, such as in the Yanks' ability to get Roy Halladay, now that Austin Jackson, Phil Coke and Ian Kennedy are gone.
Daniel Schlereth (Stats) is a LHP, drafted in 2008 1st round- looks like he was being treated as a potential closer by AZ, made the majors in a season, with good stats in the minors in pretty much every level.
Max Scherzer (Stats) is the key piece in the deal IMO. I know a lot of commenters both on MLBTR and here like Scherzer a lot. Personally, I think Kennedy (Stats) will be pretty good- the pressure in NY is probably hard to deal with. My guess is the D'Backs felt getting two starters who could contribute on a similar level to Scherzer was worth it. At this point, it looks like a m-eh deal for the D'Backs, but my feeling is it'll work well for them.
The Tigers- WOW! Austin Jackson (Stats) should go a long way to replacing Granderson. I bet he starts 2010 on the roster for the Tigers, and will put up comparable numbers to Granderson (might be a little worse off in the slugging dept, but you'd expect the power to start appearing sooner rather than later). Granderson, btw, should thrive in the lefty paradise for the Yankees. Expect him to top the 30HR performace.
They didn't lose anything in getting Scherzer for Jackson, with more upside, I think. Schlereth should do better than his rookie 1.65 WHIP performance with Arizona, and Coke should be solid in the pen (anyone think there might be an attempt to move Coke back to starting?)
Overall, I think a great trade for all 3 teams.
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My only caveat
Is that I think Jackson could be very successful moving from the AL to the NL.
So far
It seems like a large portion of each fan base is upset about the return in the deal, which I think is kind of funny. I think the Yanks gave up too much but I don’t see a “clear winner” here as of now.
Though
I would think most think the Tigers made out pretty well considering the amount of years they acquired and the relative cheapness of those years for now from the players they received.
I’m still not sold on Scherzer, otherwise I would like the deal a lot for the Tigers. He still strikes me more as a closer than a starter.
I still think it works for the Yankees
We have to keep in mind the constant overvaluing of Yankee prospects. Is Jackson a better prospect that Tabata? I don’t think the numbers bear that out. Of course, Tabata was an A+ prospect as well – right until the Yankees traded him. Then he became a 28 year-old headcase with no power.
The Yanks treat prospects as trade chips
For the most part, anyway.
If they have a real hole, they go out and get a FA to fill it. Their reliance on internal options is minimal! That doesn’t change the fact that Jackson is probably a pretty good prospect, as was Tabata. (Un)Fortunately, the Yanks can’t afford to wait while a prospect adjusts to the bigs and realizes his potential- so they are more valuable as trade bait, anyway!
I think
Jackson is a potential 4-tool guy (no power). I think people need to realize Granderson is close to getting expensive and can’t hit lefties — but the Yanks park is nice for left-handed hitters. Regardless, the Yanks can afford to pay Granderson as well.
It’s not even so much about overvaluing Yankees prospects either, I’m more going by years of control and salary as a bottom line here.
It's called a "platoon".
And it’d pretty much neutralize Granderson’s problems. You don’t have to start him against lefties, y’know.
Yeah
I know, just seems like a lot to give up for a guy you are going to platoon.
Depends how much value he provides...
…in the games where he’s not sitting on the bench. Bill Dickey was platooned pretty heavily during his career, and the Yankees sure got their money’s worth out of him.
Halladay
I dont know what to expect in that regard now… I would be shocked if the Yanks didn’t make a play for him, but it would take pretty much the rest of their prospects- Montero or Romine and Heathcott at least, and the fact that the Yanks dont have too many upper level top tier prospects might hurt.
Scherzer is a big injury risk with his mechanics, which would make it understandable if Arizona was getting something a little bit better.
Some retractions might be in order
The more I read around, it appears worse for the D’Backs, as some people already mentioned. Also, it appears Kennedy was injured for a large part of 2009 (which I would know if the Yankees interested me any). The deal makes sense for the D’Backs if Scherzer = Kennedy, and they are willing to give up Schlereth for Jackson. But Scherzer is already solid (although I m not sold entirely on his ceiling), while Kennedy is yet to do so in the major leagues. Still, I can’t help thinking the D’Backs took a bit of a gamble, hoping EJax can replicate his first half over a full season.
This really puts a crimp in the Yankees plans if they are inclined to deal for Halladay; I don’t think they can deal Heathcott since he has to be in the organization for a year. Also, with Jackson gone, they’d have to trade Montero, Hughes, and/or Chamberlain to get it done…I don’t see that happening.
Ian Kennedy
My thought is that he is done, and will be discarded before the end of the season.
Scherzer I thought was tough, and I’m glad he’s out of the NL (unless he was with us). I think Scherzer > Edwin Jackson alone; also don’t understand the Arizona side of this thing.
The Yankees got a reasonable contract in Granderson for a few years and gave up other pieces that are replaceable (Austin Jackson is overrated in my opinion).
Like the trade for the Yankees most
Tigers also
D’Backs not
Just for fun, I wonder what could have moved Arizona’s package if it were just the Pirates dealing with them.
Like Maholm and, say, Ohlendorf? Probably not, but that’s basically the amount of value they got, in my view, for a legitimate borderline 1/2 starter (albeit with quite a bit of injury risk).
granderson is the man
but i would say detroit are the big winners here
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