"Most Unimproved"?
I've been thinking about ESPN.com's recent claim that the Pirates are the "most unimproved" team in the National League. Dan H. emailed it to me and Ketcham Bruce put it in a fanpost, but I was planning to ignore it on the grounds that it doesn't tell us much, and it probably only confirms our paranoia that when in doubt, it's easier to just take a cheap shot at the Pirates than, y'know, think hard about stuff. But here it is:
No, the Pirates don't win this award every year. But this does make two in a row. And they did it this year despite massive competition, for reasons we've already discussed. So why did the Pirates nudge out St. Louis? Because they're coming off a 95-loss season and we bet even Bill Mazeroski couldn't name the only two free agents they signed to major league contracts this winter. They were … (the envelope please) none other than Eric Hinske and, ummm, Ramon Vazquez? Yeah. Really. Granted, the Pirates actually started their big roster-reconstruction project last July 31. And GM Neal Huntingdon [sic] certainly seems to be a man with a plan. But this is a team in danger of making very messy history if it rips off its 17th straight losing season. And, as one of our panelists put it, "I think they added more assistant general managers this winter than players." Uh, is that good?
Of course, the big question here is why ESPN.com would expect a rebuilding team like the Pirates to make big free agency splashes in the offseason and whether Jayson Stark would have praised them if they'd had a Dave Littlefield-style offseason marked by the acquisition of familiar-but-washed-up players. It's true that the Pirates could have done a better job taking advantage of favorable conditions this winter by hunting for bigger game on the free agent market, but that's true of many teams, including several for whom that extra free agent could turn them from an also-ran to a contender. In the meantime, it sounds as if Stark would have preferred yet another awkward lunge at a .500 season even if that only, ironically, caused more losing seasons to occur. But I'll put aside that question for another day.
Keith Law, of all people, apparently said yesterday that the Pirates' performance in 2009 may be a bit better than expected, because the other teams are so unimproved. That's a summary of a message board posting summarizing Law's appearance on a radio show, so it's the internet equivalent of a game of telephone, but whether it's what he actually said or not, I think it's true.
If you're a Baseball Prospectus subscriber, check out this article, which lists the key offseason acquisitions and departures for each team in the Central. It's absurd to think that the Pirates are anywhere near the most unimproved team in their own division, let alone the entire league.
The Cubs are clearly the class of the division, but it's not at all clear that they improved this offseason, and the other four teams have either done little or gone backwards. The Brewers have no answer for the losses of C.C. Sabathia and (so far) Ben Sheets. The Astros are replacing Ty Wigginton, who posted a 128 OPS+ for them last year, with Geoff Blum and Aaron Boone, and they've spent all their offseason money on washed-up vets like Jason Michaels and Mike Hampton. The Cardinals added Khalil Greene but have done little else, and with the recent dump of Adam Kennedy, they have no second baseman. And the Reds have basically exchanged one group of ineffectual players (plus Jeremy Affeldt, who's actually pretty good) for another. Worse, they're pretending that a couple of those ineffectual players (Willy Taveras and Ramon Hernandez) can be starters.
In fact, BP writes (and you may want to sit down for this):
The Pirates are the one team in the division that has taken on more talent than it has shed over the winter.
It's true that the Pirates didn't add any difference makers this offseason, but they lost no one of consequence and filled roster spots with guys like Eric Hinske, Ramon Vazquez and new Bucs Dugout fave Jeff Salazar who are good bets to contribute, albeit modestly. They're a better team now than they were at the end of the season, and I'm not sure how anyone could argue that most of the other teams in the Central are, particularly not the Brewers or Astros. The Pirates are still a very bad team, of course, but they should benefit somewhat from the decreased talent level in the Central--the division lost Sabathia, Sheets, Mark DeRosa, Kerry Wood and Wigginton, and the only even modestly talented player it added was Milton Bradley.
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Stark
I think Jayson Stark has lost it…. I haven’t liked anything he’s written in the past year or so.
by Carnival Matleuse on Feb 15, 2009 11:40 PM EST reply actions
That last sentence is also true for me...
…if you cross out the last six words. In general, I think he’s overly obsessed with trivia, at the expense of actual meaning.
The Astros
Are going to blow hard. and earn there name as the Lastros
10 Quality Starts in a row/Aug. 08 - BUT now we can't hit:(
...But
The Pirates are certainly better than the team they finished with in 2008, but the 2009 version is much worse than the version it started 2008 with (which included Bay, Nady, Marte). So the decreased talent in the Central will lead to a modest improvement over a group of players that finished 17-37 in August in September. Let’s hope Kerrigan really is a miracle worker.
Not sure I agree.
I think our rotation starting 2009 is stronger than the one at the start of 2008, even though the lineup is a bit weaker.
I picked the Astros
The Brewers lost the most total talent over the offseason, but the Astros did the worst job of extracting value from their resources (by blowing the little money they had unwisely), which is the bigger sin in my book.
I still say the Brewers had the worst offseason
But it’s pretty much splitting hairs at this point. Both of these teams had terrible offseasons.
Brewers might have been able to steal the crown away...
…if they’d made that ghastly Cameron trade with the Yankees.
We are a weaker team that will win a few more games...
I think Jayson Stark’s point was that he expected a team with 16 consecutive losing seasons to have made a greater attempt to acquire new talent during the off-season. Quite frankly, I have to agree with Jayson. I find myself torn between trying to remain a realist as well as a fan and it’s hard. As a realist, I understand management’s plan and that given all of the fiscal constraints, it’s the only plan we could expect them to implement. However, as a fan, I’m dismayed at the thought of another horrific losing season and part of me wishes the team would plead for an economic stimulus loan from Obama and buy a few free agents so we can finally have some winning baseball.
I do not believe that our 4/1/09 lineup is as good as our 4/1/08 lineup, but I do think that it is stronger when compared to the reduction in talent in the rest of the NL East teams(other than the Cubs). In summary, we are a less-talented team than the one fielded last year, which will win a few more games because of the overall reduction in talent of our division.
by Illinois Pirate Fan on Feb 16, 2009 11:32 AM EST reply actions
Law
FWIW, I heard the Keith Law segment on ESPN-1250 Pittsburgh on Saturday and the above recital of what he said is correct. Paraphrasing here, Law said that the Pirate’s lost the least of NL Central teams (except perhaps the Cubs) this off season. Considering the declining state of the pathetic division and a reasonable modicum of improvement from young players, the Pirates could place higher in the division than expected.
He said nothing to suggest that the Bucs were any good. We suck bad, but perhaps not quite as bad as, say, Houston.
On the positive side, Law ranks A. McCutcheon, Pedro & Tabata among his top 38 prospects in the game – in that order, I believe. He think Andrew is going to be a star player (not a superstar, but a very good player, even without the developed power so far) and the other two will be at least significant big league contributors.
Good day.
Jayson Stark is a Maroon
Complaining about his reporting is like criticizing the technique of a dancing bear.
The Pirates off-season didn’t start after the World Series. It started right before July 31 when Nady and Marte were traded. Teams that are 20 games out of first place can’t wait until October to start the off-season.
Yep, the team is worse without Marte, Nady and Bay. But please remember much of the fanbase didn’t think Nady was a legit starter 12 months ago. Lots of folks were calling for Nady’s trade or unconditional release and for Steve Pearce to start in RF. Now the Yanks are anxious to trade Nady, but that’s another thread. Marte is just another LOOGY — anyone look at his record with the Yanks?
At least 1 starting pitcher is coming from the Nady trade, and he’ll be better than Matt Morris (damning with faint praise). At some point in 2009, I’d bet two of the starting staff is from this trade. And the fan base, going by Charlie’s projection thread, think Andy LaRoche will do better than Bautista. Hansen will make the team, at least to start. So I have high hopes that the July 2008 trades will bring some help in 2009.
And I’m betting in any fair spring training competition, Hinske beats Nyjer Morgan. (Morgan may win just because he’s the easy — but wrong — pick as lead-off hitter.) So there’s a 2009 pick up helping. I don’t expect him to be a Jason Bay, but if he’s a 80% Jason Bay, that’d be ok with me. (Morgan is a 45% Jason Bay at best.)
It’s a legitimate decision for Huntington to not break open the bank for 2009. The best Bucs are in the minors now — when could the team last say that?
P.S. Sporting News just listed PBC as worst starting rotation in the NL. Award season began early this year, I guess.
I was about to comment
but noticed you were saying almost exactly what I wanted to say. The Pirates, at this point, should by and large NOT be looking for most of their help from free agency. We need to trade for young talent. Again and again. And again and again and again. Since it is far easier (IMO) to trade people towards the trade deadline, when teams are (reasonably or not) attempting to boost their teams for a playoff run then at the beginning of the season when many teams feel the carte blanche puts them back into contention, the Pirates offseason started when they began making trades last year. The acquisitions that may improve our team this year are: LaRoche, Karstens, Ohlendorf, Hansen (maybe?? please??!?), Moss, et al.
Jason
The Hanging Curve
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