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With all due respect to Dejan Kovacevic, I think today's article on Nyjer Morgan is flawed. It's not an unfair article, but it fails to examine the facts it presents. I'd like to discuss some of the facts from the article point-by-point, not for laughs, but because I think that under there, there are some outdated ideas about what words mean and how the game is played. 

Again, the now-standard caveat: if it seem obsessed with Nyjer Morgan, it's because no Pirate player is better for starting discussions about what matters in baseball and what doesn't.

John Russell is hardly set to fill his lineup card for the Pirates' season opener, but there can be little doubt about this: It would be much stronger if Nyjer Morgan were to emerge as a legitimate leadoff man.

A question: what is a "legitimate leadoff man"? Because I don't think some folks really know what they are saying when they use phrases like that. 

Nineteen players had at least 400 plate appearances from the leadoff spot last year. Of those, the sixteen with the highest OPSes all had five or more homers. The three with the lowest OPSes hit seven homers between them. Only one of those three, Chone Figgins, had a palatable OBP, which he posted by piling up more walks in a season than Morgan ever will. The other two, Carlos Gomez and Willy Taveras, had OBPs below .300. Which group of players is Morgan, who has four home runs in his entire professional career since 2005, more like? Which group of players are "legitimate leadoff men"?

The skillset for a "legitimate leadoff man" these days includes home run power. That may seem counterintuitive, but it is true in all except the rarest of cases. (Figgins is one of those very rare cases.) This is probably because it is extremely hard to draw walks if pitchers have no reason to fear you. Without walks (and power), it is almost impossible to have value as the sort of player likely to rack up tons of plate appearances from the leadoff spot. I can only speculate as to why some people seem to believe otherwise, but my guess is that they remember the old days of baseball, when lots of teams had no-power speedsters at the top of the lineup. Well, those days are gone. Teams don't do that anymore, and pretending it's 1980 isn't going to make the Pirates any better.

Last year, he began as a bench player and batted .142, earning a demotion to Class AAA Indianapolis. Upon returning Aug. 19, he was one of the National League's most dynamic players, reaching base safely in 25 of 27 games, scoring 20 runs and putting up a .366 average that was 10th-highest in the National League in that modest span.

Which is it?

I know the "Which is it?" is mostly just a little rhetorical move, but for Pete's sake, does it have to be one or the other? Can we not just agree that Morgan is likely to hit way better than .142 and way worse than .366? 

Also, there are baseball words that are less meaningful than "dynamic," like "gritty" or "scrappy," but the word "dynamic" has an extraordinarily low signal to noise ratio. So few players described as "dynamic" actually are. 

Far more relevant, though, are numbers at leadoff in real games, and those show a somewhat favorable comparison to McLouth, though they come with the large asterisk that McLouth has played three times as many games: Morgan's career on-base percentage is .351 to .338 for McLouth.

As Kovacevic notes, that's quite an asterisk. Morgan has 264 career plate appearances from the leadoff spot, so the tiny difference between the two means very little. Also, again, OBP isn't the only statistic that matters for a leadoff hitter.

They also are similarly swift on the basepaths, though McLouth is far more efficient at stealing with a 92 percent success rate of to Morgan's 66 percent.

Well, McLouth's 92% basestealing is an asset, while Morgan's 66% hurts the team. While there's some evidence in Morgan's minor league profile to suggest he'll do somewhat better in that area if given time, it's still not at all clear that he'll help the team with his baserunning, whereas McLouth almost certainly will. So what's the point of comparing them? It's like saying, "Mariano Rivera and Jose Mesa both had lots of saves in 2005, though Rivera was more efficient at keeping runs off the board." Which fact is most relevant?

The chasm between the two, of course, comes in power, with McLouth breaking out for 26 home runs last year and Morgan having seven over six professional seasons.

I'm glad this was mentioned. This stuff about homers is eighty times more relevant than any of the stuff mentioned above, even as it pertains to the limited question of who the better leadoff hitter would be, since even a good leadoff hitter needs some power...

But that, too, could point to McLouth being lower in the order, perhaps at No. 3, given the Pirates' significant need for pop. Seventeen of his 26 home runs last season came at leadoff, as did 55 of his 94 RBIs, the latter a jarring figure not likely to be duplicated.

D'oh! The home run power helps make McLouth a great leadoff hitter, as far as that semi-arbitrary category goes. Think Rickey Henderson. Think Curtis Granderson. The power will actually help him draw walks, steal bases and do the things people love to see leadoff hitters do. But because the Pirates don't have power elsewhere in their lineup, the solution is to effectively give Morgan about 120 or so extra plate appearances and have McLouth bat behind Morgan, who most projection systems think will have about a .300 OBP this year, and perhaps Freddy Sanchez. And, before that, the pitcher. Which, for some reason, is so much better than just skipping all that rigamarole and batting McLouth (or someone else who isn't Morgan) first.

But he also grasps that he needs to upgrade his on-base skills -- notably his patience at the plate -- to stay there even if he gets the chance.

"Yeah, I know, but there are all kinds of ways to get on base, even getting hit, and I'm ready to do that, too," he said with a laugh, recalling his 2004 with Class A Hickory in which he was plunked 33 times.

I know Morgan is joking, but it's a pathetic joke. His getting hit by A-ball pitchers five years ago has no relevance to anything that happens in the big leagues.

Also, improving one's on-base skills isn't something that just happens. On-base skills don't appear just because you want them to. You need a very good eye (which Morgan doesn't have), or the ability to scare pitchers (which Morgan will never have), or you need to hit .320 (which is highly unlikely without other hitting skills).

Kovacevic, to his credit, presents lots of relevant facts here. But he also presents a number of irrelevant facts and doesn't sort through them. Morgan's "swift"ness on the bases isn't relevant if he can't run the bases intelligently. His desire to improve his on-base skills says very little about whether he can actually do it. His resemblance to a 1980-era leadoff hitter has no relevance to his ability to actually do that job today. And McLouth's power should not disqualify him from the job of hitting first; in fact, it should actually be a point in favor of batting him there. 

But you know what? As long as Morgan's going to be the starter, I say what the heck, let him lead off. The brighter the spotlight on him, the more obvious his shortcomings are likely to be, and I want this little performance to end as quickly as possible.

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Haven’t we seen this story before: Brumfield, Allensworth, Tike Redman, Adrian Brown, Chris Duffy. They shine for a brief stretch and collapse the following April.

I’ve said this before and I’ll say it again. Morgan could be an excellent 5th OF. He can run, he’s high energy and he can give the team a spark off the bench. He simply doesn’t have the bat to start.

by bolton on Mar 6, 2009 6:35 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

I thought the same thing last night....

Especially this line in the video:

“Basically now it’s consistency. I know I can play here, but now I wanna stay consistent. And uh, staying consistent and doing the little things right….”

by IAPiratesFan on Mar 6, 2009 7:49 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

This has been another episode of . . .

. . . “What He Said.”

Thanks Charlie.

DK’s story is about 2 weeks too late. It should have come out before the first game of the spring. Morgan has spoiled DK’s story with his usual bumbling, stumblng spring training.

With Hinkse and Pearce hurting, Morgan is getting almost all the starts but doing a repeat of his 2007 and 2008 spring training, only with extra suckiness. A fine spring — a .211 BA, being thrown out at 3rd on his only steal attempt, playing singles into triples in LF while ACutch consistently makes the stellar play look routine.

DK’s mistake is that he believes that it’s not about what Morgan actually does on the field, it’s about what he could do on the field if he were able to use his talents. That’s blatant Jim Tracyism. It’s about Morgan’s BA (ONLY) in about 115 AB’s he got last August and September, and how “swift” he is on the bases, and not about the rest of his 7 year professional career. After all, ya gotta keep the proles happy.

Go Hinkse, go Salazar, go Monroe! Morgan to Indianapolis or bust.

by WstCstBucco on Mar 6, 2009 11:51 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

YES!

I am so glad someone finally pointed this out. Nate McLouth is a great leadoff hitter. On any other team he would bat leadoff (unless that team happened to have someone even better). Because of the Pirates lack of talent at the plate they are trying to make him a #3
hitter. This is dumb.

Below is a very optimistic lineup that I would like to see. Morgan watches this team play on TV in the Indianapolis clubhouse next to Andrew McCutchen

1. Nate McLouth CF
He’s a leadoff guy with more power than usual.

2. Freddy Sanchez 2B
He’s a #2 hitter on this team. Bats for a high average, can steal a few. Thats about it.

3. Ryan Doumit C
Ideally I would like him lower in the lineup, but theres nobody to take his place right now. Hopefully he builds on 08

4. Adam LaRoche 1B
Hits for power, hopefully breaks his first half slump in a contract year. Again, he’s the best option we have.

5. Craig Monroe LF
 If you look at his #‘s with the tiger’s before he was bench they are numbers the Bucs could definitely use. They weren’t good enough to start over Sheffield, Ordonez and Granderson. I don’t think he’s done. The situation in Minnesota wasn’t good for him and he didn’t adjust well. Oh and hes right handed. So if he reverts to the guy who is capably of 270, 20+ homers he’s a right handed Adam Laroche, but consistent throughout the year.

6. Brandon Moss RF
Fingers crossed. A once stud prospect, his power never really developed. If we’re lucky he could discover 20 HR power and hit. Everyone with knowledge of the situation including Moss, Hinske and others agreed taht his development was stalled by the crowded Boston outfield. I have high hopes

7. Andy Laroche 3B
Again Fingers crossed. And toes.

8. Jack Wilson Wilson SS
At this point we know what we’re getting. You can bat him 7th but I am hoping for the best from LaRoche jr.

9. Pitcher TBD

by GTrain on Mar 6, 2009 12:00 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Seeing you post Monroe as our #5 hitter...

…was like getting a fork in the eyeball. Even if he bounced back to that level (which he won’t – he’s getting old/slow, and it’s been too long), he’d still be a marginal starter on a corner, and maybe the seventh-best hitter on the team.

by Vlad on Mar 8, 2009 12:41 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks for the FJM nostalgia

And just so you know, I am one of probably many consistent readers who definately doesn’t get sick of the posts about how Nyjer Morgan isn’t fit to be a lead off hitter (or a starter). As long as other people keep suggesting he might be, you are pretty much required to keep hammering the above points.

by DITO on Mar 6, 2009 12:45 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

What he said.

+1

"Gimme an 'F' ! " - Country Joe MacDonald

by cocktailsfor2 on Mar 6, 2009 9:55 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Let's Have Faith in the New Mgmt Team

Last year the issue was Doumit or Paulino. In the end, NH and company make the right decision to go with Doumit.

This year it is who will play the OF with McLouth. Other than Moss being on the team and probably starting; the 3rd OF position (until McCuthen arrives) is up for grabs. We have Monroe, Morgan, Pearce, and Hinkse all trying to make their case for either starting or being a bench player. Four guys for 2 positions (starting and 4th OF). if the same thing pans out as last year, the guys who show the most will be on the team. So if Morgan can’t show he can field (or hit), he will be back down in AAA.

I have faith that the best choices will be made by this leadership team.

by zogger on Mar 6, 2009 1:02 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

I don't think Dejan fills out the lineup card

That would be JR with input from NH. Last year, we’ll recall, the new braintrust duplicated the Jim Tracy / Dave Littlefield approach, whereby Morgan started over Steve Pearce (except that under JT, Morgan also started over McLouth).

Any angst regarding Morgan should be directed to the aforementioned management team, not the beat writer.

by mocasdad on Mar 6, 2009 1:22 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

This is also a recording: Not DK's job

DK presents the facts, it’s up to you to examine them and make your own judgment.

>legit leadoff man

You admit there is a question about the definition, and only add that HR power is in the skillset of players that led off last season. For the year, Morgan OBP’d .345, which would have placed him 15th if he had qualified for your list. Legit? Maybe. Good? Probably not. Whether he could sustain it is irrelevant. For the 2009 team it’s only relevant that he can or can’t.

>(average) Which is it?

Well, you and a lot of people think he’ll stink. If he gains 60 points in average he’ll still stink. If he loses 60 points, he’ll still be a viable (singles) hitter. It’s up to the reader, but I think the question are just variations of “is he a good hitter or a bad one?” Is he lost at the plate, or can he sustain a high average for long stretches?

>numbers at leadoff in real games

DK puts the asterisk in, you acknowledge it. He presents, you analyze its meaning.

>swift on the basepaths

DK acknowledges efficiency is a factor, you decide how much of one. Also, there is more to being swift on the basepaths than stealing bases.

>power

DK admits the “chasm” and presents alternatives. You decide if they’re valid.

Dejan is not taking a side and asking you to agree or disagree. He’s presenting facts and where necessary providing perspective, as with basestealing efficiency. He presents the caveat that none of it will matter if he doesn’t improve at getting on base. But if he hits .300 and can walk even a little more, raising his OBP to .350 or above, that may fit someone’s definition of legit leadoff hitter. Your call.

And your link to the PG article broken. It goes to FanGraphs.

by azibuck on Mar 6, 2009 2:06 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

DK not only presents facts, he decides which facts to present. It’s not as if he’s reporting firsthand events here. He’s giving statistics, and there’s any number of statistics he could give. With a player like Morgan, who has a very short major league track record to work with, one could present statistics that say any number of things. DK has an obligation to paint an accurate picture, and to filter irrelevant facts.

“DK puts the asterisk in, you acknowledge it. He presents, you analyze its meaning.”

Why? That Morgan’s major league numbers mean little at this point compared to his minor league ones is pretty much a fact.

“DK acknowledges efficiency is a factor, you decide how much of one.”

Why? It’s a fact that if he can’t steal bases at better than a 66% rate, all his running is hurting the team. DK could easily have presented evidence of this.

by Charlie on Mar 6, 2009 7:41 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I think this is what the team really wants...

It’s always obvious to me when articles like this get written what the team really wants. They want Andrew McCutchen to be ready. They want the lineup to look like

1. Andrew McCutchen – CF
2. Nate McLouth – LF
3. Ryan Doumit – C
4. Adam LaRoche – 1B
5. Freddy Sanchez – 2B
6. Brandon Moss – RF
7. Andy LaRoche – 3B
8. Jack Wilson – SS
9. P

With 1 and 2, 8 and 9 being interchangeable.

Nyjer Morgan is the team’s substitute McCutchen until the actual prospect is ready. He has McCutchen’s speed, and for some reason they think that will make everything else OK. But the thing is, McCutchen has the power for at least 5-10 homers, has the discipline to draw a walk, chooses his steals wisely, plays good defense and is young. He’s everything Morgan is not but fast.

The Pirates want a legit leadoff hitter that can steal, but that leadoff hitter will be starting in AAA this year. They want a player that can combo with McLouth…a player that can hit, walk, run, steal, and put a little juice into the ball. They’re settling for one that can run.

However, McCutchen is probably not ready yet, and he probably won’t be until another half-season in AAA. It’s a shame we aren’t giving the “substitute McCutchen” ABs to Hinske or Steve Pearce, as they’d both be a wiser choice, but by the time McCutchen comes up, our OF problem will be solved.

www.sixtyftsixin.com

by Sixty Feet, Six Inches on Mar 6, 2009 2:17 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Let me play devil's advocate

since you let this cat out of the bag. You say Chone Figgins is one of the few “legitimate” leadoff hitters with no power. Let us now compare Nyjer with Chone. Both of them have had a fairly decent length minor league career, leading to both having a legitimate sample size in the minors. Chone played seven seasons (not including his two rehab stints). Morgan has six so far.

Over Chone’s minor league career, he has a .274/.346/.384 line, giving him a .730 OPS. Over Nyjer’s minor league career, has has a .293/.358/.365 line, giving a .723 OPS. Nyjer hit better average (and OBP), but worse slugging, giving them almost identical OPS. SB% – Chone 74, Morgan 75. At bats per RBI: Chone 11, Nyjer 12. ABs per run: Chone 5.9, Nyjer 5.9. RC/game (using baseball-reference.com calculation): Chone 4.71, Nyjer 4.83.

Now switch to Nyjer’s first two seasons in the majors vs. Chone’s. Interestingly enough, Chone had 252 ABs in his first two “seasons” in the majors, while Nyjer has had 267. Chone’s line was .290/.351/.361 which makes an OPS of .712. Nyjer’s line was .296/.351/.397 giving an OPS of .748. SB: Chone 15/23 = 65, Nyjer 16/24 = 67%. ABs per RBI: Chone 9, Nyjer 19. ABs per run: Chone 6.3, Nyjer 6.5. Runs created per game: Chone 4.34, Nyjer 5.29.

To me, these are some eerie resemblances, my jaw just dropped when I started looking at Chone’s minor leagues and first two seasons. Chone has a little more power/home run threat (but both players are negligible): he hit 18 in the minors vs. Nyjer’s 7, but Nyjer’s OPS was almost the same, and he stole way more bases (8.5 ABs/SB vs. 13.2 for Chone), thus he had (a little bit) more RC/g. Another difference between the two is that Nyjer is two years older than Chone was at this point in his career (two late-season call-ups under his belt), which is already well known.

I’m not disagreeing with the fact that I don’t think we should start Morgan, I’m just glad that I finally found a highly comparable player to him. Food for thought is all.

by poorboywilly on Mar 6, 2009 2:48 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

interesting points

but chone figgins plays an infield position. it’s a bit easier to take a low 80’s OPS+ (which figgins has had in two of the past 3 years) from an infielder instead of a left fielder, which is the position he’s competing for this season. plus the vast majority of morgan’s production has come in september, when the competition — particularly in the NL central, where 4 teams are usually out of the race in september — can be generally suspect.

look, i don’t buy into all of the anti-morgan sentiment that’s out there. i think he could be a valuable backup outfielder and pinch runner, which he will no doubt be in june if andrew mccutchen is called up (btw charlie, mccutchen would be a great fan prediction post). if we could teach him to play second base he’d easily be one of my favorite players because his high average and speed on the bases (suspect as it is) would play better there.

by johnnycuff on Mar 6, 2009 3:40 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

ha

we should switch him to second, and have him come back out of the minors at age 32! He’ll have an Ankiel-like second life.

by poorboywilly on Mar 6, 2009 5:01 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

The biggest issue with Morgan...

…is that his entire minor league career suggests that he’s been over his head in his two ML cups of coffee. He isn’t a Chone-type hitter on talent. He’s more of a Brian Hunter-type hitter (the fast one). And that didn’t work out so well for Hunter, or for the teams that played him. Chone had some ugly minor league performances at the start, but he at least showed progress in his last few years (even after you account for park), and he was of an age when you could expect continued skill growth in the majors. Nyjer’s 28 this year, so this is as good as it gets.

And what’s the point of AB/RBI and AB/Run? Those are junk stats – they depend more on team and game context than on the player’s performance.

by Vlad on Mar 8, 2009 12:48 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

so

the fact that his stats are the exact same as Chone’s means he is way different from Chone?

Anyways, I just tossed in the run/RBI stats as further examples of what he’s done. I did not claim any sort of statistical independence for any of the figures. Just because a run/RBI depends on another person doesn’t mean that they are meaningless; the point of the game is still to score more runs then your opponent last I knew. There is no perfect stat anyways, it’s the nature of the game.

by poorboywilly on Mar 8, 2009 5:09 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It depends whether you want to go for similarity or predictive value.

If you’re just saying, “Huh, isn’t that funny, they both scored and drove in runs at similar rates. Strange old world.” then I guess that’s OK. It’s a point of similarity, like noticing that they’re both black, or both (sometimes) outfielders, or whatever.

If you’re trying to say that their similarity in those areas means that they will develop offensively along similar lines, then that’s where we’re going to have to disagree, because the similarity in those areas is driven more by luck and external factors than by any sort of actual skill.

To project future performance for a guy with only a couple of hundred ML ABs, you need to rely at least in part on minor league performances, and there’s a significant gap between Morgan’s minor-league hitting (.723 OPS in 486 AAA AB at 26/27, .746 OPS in 219 AA AB at 25) and Chone’s (.850 OPS in 796 AAA AB at 24/25). Park/league narrow that gap a bit, but Chone was a still a significantly better hitter at a younger age, and therefore, you should not expect Morgan to match Chone’s career path.

In particular, it’s worth remembering that Chone wasn’t as powerless as Morgan throughout his minor-league career.

ISO/level, Chone:
A-: .066
A+: .084
AA: .098
AAA: .170

ISO/level, Nyjer:
A-: .056
A: .082
A+: .064
AA: .087
AAA: .066

Chone’s not a huge slugger, but the general trend of his line is up, and by his last two years in the minors he was actually showing decent gap power. Nyjer, in contrast, has shown no skill growth in the area whatsoever.

by Vlad on Mar 9, 2009 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Chone Figgins

Except for a couple months when he hit .400, Chone Figgins hasn’t been totally beloved of the LAA. His strengths are his skill in stealing (3:1 ratio, but fewer SB every year) and his ability to play multiple positions in the IF and OF competently.

The LAA signed free agent after free agent to get Figgins out of the OF (Bobby Abreu being the most recent) and as soon as they signed Abreu they put Figgins up for trade to give Brandon Wood and his power a shot at 3B.
http://headlines.ocregister.com/sports/figgins_14814___article.html/batting_third.html

P.S. Does everyone agree that Jimmy Barthmaier pretty much punched his ticket for Indianapolis this afternoon?

by WstCstBucco on Mar 6, 2009 6:02 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Yes on Barthmaier.

I figure first cuts middle of next week.

by Thunder on Mar 6, 2009 6:05 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

How 'bout a Pool on When...

Nyjer gets cut to make room for McCutcheon? Surely he sees that he’s just marking time. Frankly, if either Moss or Pearce were showing (or do show) any signs of being ready to play at the Major League level this year, I’d rather have one of them on the team as our left fielder.

I like the stick-to-it’ness that NM has shown, but I have to agree that the days of the 70s/80s style leadoff man are long gone.

by Trogluddite on Mar 7, 2009 11:06 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

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