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I was struck by a comment Dejan made, I think in his chat, that the Pirates have a good bench this year and had a good one last year, too.  Personally, I think the Pirates had a very bad bench last year.  Mientkiewicz was a good bench player, but there wasn't much beyond him.  Michaels had a few dramatic moments around mid-season, but he completely stopped hitting the last two months and his overall numbers were terrible.  Rivas was a waste of a roster spot.  Raul Chavez was a dime-a-dozen good-field, no-hit AAAA catcher.  Gomez was passable as a pinch hitter but useless otherwise.  He didn't hit enough to back up the infield corners and couldn't play the middle infield because he had no range at all.

This year, the pitching staff and Adam LaRoche are getting all the attention for the good start, but I think the bench is getting overlooked, and I think it should contribute more over time.  It's easy to see the improvement from last year just by comparing:

Chavez/Jaramillo -- I'll leave aside Paulino, who presented Huntington with a special set of problems, and I'm counting Jaramillo even though he'll be the starter for a while because Doumit hopefully will return for the 2nd half.  Jaramillo looks nearly as good as Chavez defensively and should be a much better hitter.  I don't have any illusions that he's going to keep hitting the way he has so far, but he works the count and doesn't chase bad pitches.  I don't see why he shouldn't hit .260 at least, with enough walks and doubles to help the offense.  He's much younger and presents some upside, so having him sub for Doumit for a long period is not the disaster that it would have been with Chavez.  And Diaz looks like he can hit a bit better than Jaramillo; the Pirates had nothing comparable to him last year.  This is a big upgrade.

Vazquez/Gomez -- This is a moderate upgrade.  There probably won't be much difference at the plate in the long run, but Vazquez is much younger and can play SS.  I don't think his range is very good, but he doesn't look like anywhere near the statue that Gomez was.  He doesn't have to be an everyday SS or 2B because if Jack or Freddy gets hurt, they can call up Bixler or Cruz, which they've just done.  This gives the Pirates the option to go with Delwyn Young instead of a no-hit glove guy, so . . . .

Young/Rivas -- This is the really major upgrade.  Rivas contributed nothing, a topic I won't belabor.  Young can hit.  He can't play short and maybe can't play second or third, but he doesn't have to.  That's what Vazquez is for.  If they ever manage to go into a game with 25 healthy players, Russell will have a much more flexible bench in the late innings when they're tied or trailing, which is where a bench becomes the most important.  (Whether he'll use it or not is another issue.  IMO Russell is a horrible in-game manager, but that's another subject.)

Hinske/Mientkiewicz -- Probably a wash.  Mientkiewicz might be a better bench player in the abstract, because he rarely fans and has a very good eye, which makes him a very good late-inning PH.  Hinske fans a lot but has far more power, and this team probably needs the power more right now.  Mientkiewicz is a Gold Glove quality firstbaseman, but the Pirates need outfield backups more and Hinske is a better outfielder.  He also should be better at third but most likely won't play there except in emergencies.

Monroe/Michaels -- Another wash.  They're pretty much the same guy.  Both started sliding rapidly downhill once they got past 27-28, and both did/should produce a low BA and low OBP with lots of Ks, modest power, solid defense and possibly the occasional dramatic moment.

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Dejan......

Also said in the chat he was not surprised the Yankees had the highest ERA in the majors as of yesterday, “especially if anyone had forecast the kind of trouble their new bandbox would cause pitchers.”

Color me surprised. They could be pitching in a little league park and I would be surprised if a starting rotation of Sabathia, Burnett, Wang, Chamberlain and Pettitte weren’t among the league leaders. I’m comfortable that no one in their right mind would have traded anyone of those guys for any guy in the Pirate rotation coming into the season. And anybody who suggests anything more than Pettitte for Maholm should be banned from this site. Not even debatable.

I hope Dejan gets out crystal ball more often and tells us how the rest of the season will go.

by dtoddwin on Apr 28, 2009 5:26 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

The Yankees' defense is crap.

Ergo, all their pitchers are going to look worse than they are, regardless of park effects.

by Vlad on Apr 29, 2009 10:27 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

And yes.....

I think he was more than a little off the mark on the bench comment as well.

by dtoddwin on Apr 28, 2009 5:27 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

WTM

A real nice post, especially the part about Gomez having the range of a “statue.”

by patthatt on Apr 28, 2009 6:55 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Hinske is a huge upgrade over Doug

and yeah Delwyn Young is a great addition to this bench. Its nice having a bench player that isn’t over the hill and actually has some upside.

I GOT MY STREET BUZZ BEFORE I GOT MY PEACH FUZZ

by omar moreno on Apr 29, 2009 11:37 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Young

I expected to see him get at least a start or 2 in the outfield while Nate is out. Is anyone else surprised that hasnt happened. I guess Hinske is probably a better option and was hitting pretty well but I thought it might be a chance to see what Young was capable of

by biglar33 on Apr 30, 2009 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Young

I’m baffled at him not getting any more action. Can’t help thinking that Russell just doesn’t like the guy.

And, yeah, Omar, the ages are interesting. Just compare (using the ages for the season they spent with the Bucs):

Chavez: 35 — Jaramillo 26 (Diaz is 25)
Rivas: 28 — Young 27
Gomez: 37 — Vazquez 32
Mientkiewicz: 34 — Hinske 31
Michaels: 32 — Monroe 32

It should help going into the offseason knowing they don’t need to turn the whole bench over. They’ll still control the two catchers and Young, and Vazquez is on a two-year deal (which may or may not be a good thing, but as long as he can play SS is probably OK). Hinske is young enough that, if he plays well, you might want to re-sign him (and he’ll probably be facing a bad FA market due to the economy). Monroe shouldn’t be needed. Nobody gets excited over bench players, but you just don’t know what you’re going to get if you have to go out looking for five FAs every year. I hate the whole process where they’re looking at aging, declining guys like Michaels and Monroe and wondering if they can have a “bounce back” year, or wondering whether somebody like Gomez has one more year in him (defensively we learned he didn’t).

by WTM on Apr 30, 2009 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

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