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Congratulations to Dejan Kovacevic

For winning twice in the Associated Press Sports Editors' Best Writing of 2008 awards. He placed second among writers at papers with circulations between 100,000 and 250,000 for breaking news, which a source tells me was for his coverage of the Jason Bay trade, and third for "projects," which was for his brilliant series of articles about the Pirates' presence in the Dominican Republic

Writing at as high a level as Kovacevic does, especially given the deadlines he faces and the number of frequent flyer miles he must accumulate, must be difficult and often seem thankless, especially now that there are a bunch of people like me who'll write a scathing post every time he says something vaguely positive about Nyjer Morgan, for example. Also, it's tough to express how much harder it is to write when you know that tens of thousands of people might be reading and when you know that once you file, there's little you can do to change any mistakes you made. Writing for the web and giving opinions are, for the most part, pretty easy. Writing for print and reporting are hard.

It's much easier for me to criticize a piece I think is flawed than to praise a piece I think is good, because when it's good, there's often not much I can add without entering this meta-critical realm where I'm talking about journalism rather than talking about baseball. Saying a journalist is good at his or her job isn't very interesting, but once in a while, it should be said. This blog would be a lot harder to write if Kovacevic weren't around. These awards are well deserved.

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I second that

Couldn’t agree more. We are fortunate to have Dejan tracking the team and relaying such a wealth of information.

by Alleghenys on Apr 4, 2009 9:42 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I’m especially glad to see Dejan honored for that Dominican series. That was one of the best baseball series I’ve ever read.

by WTM on Apr 4, 2009 10:17 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Congrats

to Dejan! Seriously, if it weren’t for him, a lot of us would be lost on a lot of stuff. He’s the reason why most of us know what’s going on day-to-day

by northsidenotch on Apr 4, 2009 10:26 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Thirded

Dejan is amazing. It’s quite possible that Littlefield would still be in charge if not for DK, and for that alone he deserves all the awards in the world.

by shayborg on Apr 4, 2009 10:37 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

And fourthed (if that's a word).

Though I really don’t have much to add to what has already been said.

by UtesFan89 on Apr 4, 2009 10:44 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Dejan

Dejan is much better than most beat writers/journalist as far as keeping folks up to date on the latest news.

But giving him any credity for Littlefield’s departure is a little much for me.

Littlefield did himself in on his own merit, or lack thereof. Dejan was somewhat critical, but he is for the most part, averse to giving true opinions on the Pirates. I wouldn’t say he was that vocal in his anti-Littlefield stance.

The facts alone did enough….after 5 or 6 years or so :)

by lost_zero on Apr 5, 2009 2:13 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

He may not have been out there agitating...

…but that wasn’t his job. The crucial thing that he did was question management’s spin during the year, and print information contrary to it if he found it in the course of his research. I’m not sure whether you remember Paul Meyer, but he was very much a company man, and he almost never ran quotes or facts that painted the team in a bad light. Dejan only cared about the truth, and since Littlefield’s job depended in large part on keeping Nutting ignorant of the true state of the franchise (or at least allowing Nutring to claim that he was), I’m sure it had an impact.

by Vlad on Apr 5, 2009 10:18 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agree with Vlad

DK is (exceedingly) fond of being impartial, but part of what makes him great is that he “says without saying.” He pounded a message, it’s just that the message wasn’t his, per se. He was not unfair to DL, it’s just the DL’s record was so poor there wasn’t a whole lot to balance the negative facts. DK stayed in the box and relentlessly presented the facts surrounding the state of the org. So you’re right that DL did himself in, but the actions and inactions of an oily GM can easily go under the radar if not for beat writers like DK.

And to add to Vlad’s mention of Paul Meyer, I’m sure you can go find some Smizik columns where the point was, ’it’s the players fault, not the GM’s.’ Umm, helloooo…

by azibuck on Apr 5, 2009 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Excellent news

One thing that is great about rooting for the Pirates is that I get to Dejan. He is just great.

by houksyndrome on Apr 4, 2009 10:39 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Dejan does a great job

and I hope he’ll be at the PG long enough to cover a winning season for the Bucs.

by patthatt on Apr 5, 2009 12:09 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I had the Pirates beat for a year

many years ago. I thought I was OK at it, but I can’t carry Dejan’s jockstrap. And I had an OK team in a pennant race to write about. It’s a ridiculously tough job to do day-in and day-out, to try to find new ways to say pretty much the same thing 100 times. And as much as he denies it he must feel like tearing his hair out sometimes with the endless losing and general bad baseball he’s forced to watch. I hope we all get to see a good team in what’s left of my lifetime, but I especially hope Dejan gets to cover one. Not that I think he’d do it any differently, just because it has to be more fun to talk to happy players than players who know the season’s over in May.

by bucdaddy on Apr 5, 2009 12:32 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Really? That's so cool.

Maybe you could write a diary about what it was like some time?

by Vlad on Apr 5, 2009 10:19 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks

Seems to me I’ve dropped bits and pieces of it here from time to time, anecdotes that I remember. It was the ‘83 team. It wasn’t a FULL beat — we didn’t travel to the West Coast, and other guys on the staff got to take some of the trips — but I did spend two weeks at spring training and saw I don’t know, maybe 100 games that year.

I mainly remember stuff that happened off the field, but the one game that sticks out was late in the season against the Mets. The Mets were terrible, and the Pirates had them beat in this afternoon game. Tekulve was pitching to close it out and Rusty Staub was batting, and Rusty was slower than most dead people, so when he hit a grounder to Jason Thompson the game should have been over. Instead Thompson dribbled the ball once and then managed to throw it to first so high that even Tekulve, as tall as he was, couldn’t reach it. The ball ticked off his glove and went into the dugout.

Eventually, with a couple runners on, one of the Mets smacked a ball toward left center and Joe Orsulak tried to make a diving catch and missed. The tying run scored and the winning run headed for the plate. I started to mark my scoresheet, figuring the game was over, but when I looked up the ball was flying like a lazer to the plate and the runner was out by 10 feet. It was the greatest throw I never saw.

I asked somebody what happened and learned Orsulak, who had a great arm, somehow got to the ball in time and threw a bullet. I was astounded.

Anyway, the game went extra innings and the Pirates lost, and that pretty much killed their pennant hopes.

The Pirates clubhouse was death. Not even the reporters wanted to say anything, but they gathered around Thompson’s locker. And while Dave Parker raged in the background (“Leave the man alone”) Thompson, who never said much anyway, said, “I fucked up. Print that.”

I did. I mean like “I f***ed up, print that.”

by bucdaddy on Apr 5, 2009 10:22 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The '83 Pirates

were an interesting mix of players and personalities.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/teams/PIT/1983.shtml

They didn’t have much power, but it looks like they had a decent mix of average hitters and speed.

It says Joe Orsulak only played 7 games for the team in ’83.

The team also had a young Brian Harper. A year later when they made the disastrous Tudor for Hendrick deal, many people forget they also gave up Harper who went on to have a pretty good career.

I liked the Easler/Lacy platoon in left. Man, how I wish we had something like that now.

I think I counted the starters had something like 27 CGs. How times have changed.

Rod Scurry, Dale Berra and Don Robinson were on the team- a whole lotta partyin’ goin’ on.

Bucdaddy: Did you spend any time getting to know the Pirate Parrot?

by patthatt on Apr 6, 2009 12:44 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

No

I had no clue what was going on, but in that regard I apparently wasn’t any more clueless than Chas. Tanner.

Here’s the box for that particular game, BTW.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/NYN/NYN198309190.shtml

Orsulak was playing CF after going in as a pinch runner.

The Pirates had been tied for first place two games before this, but they lost to Montreal and slipped one back, and then this one killed them, dropped them two back, and they never recovered.

by bucdaddy on Apr 6, 2009 1:05 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'd forgotten how long Joe Orsulak

played in the majors: 1494 games, 1173 hits and a .273 avg.

It’s interesting to look at the make-up of rosters not so long ago and realize how the use of so many relievers has permanently changed the selections. I think MLB needs to go to a 26-man roster to accomodate another position player, especially in the NL.

I saw Jose DeLeon pitch a game in ’83 and I thought we really had something.

I think the example of the ‘83 Pirates is relevant now. Look at how terrible the team was for a few years afterwards, especially the ’85/’86 clubs.

Bad trades-like the Tudor/Harper for Hendrick deal, and the Berra/top prospect Jay Buhner for Kemp and Foli screwed the club even more.

But the good trades under Syd Thrift-like Pena for Van Slyke/LaValliere/Dunne, and drafts of guys like Bonds and King, gave us hope from ’87.

Bringing in Jim Leyland was obviously huge, too. (I can’t say I have the same confidence about JR, though.)

Let’s hope after 15 years of failure under Bonifay and DL that we have finally turned a corner and are headed in the right direction, even though we’ve got a long way to go.

The season starts in a few hours. Let’s Go Bucs!

by patthatt on Apr 6, 2009 9:23 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Looking at that roster again

They got near-career seasons out of three pitchers that year: McWilliams, Tunnell and Deleon. Jose was the story cause he kept taking no-hitters into the late innings. He looked like he was going to be a star.

Looking at his stats again, it appears he wasn’t ready for 192 innings at age 23, and after he recovered from that and put in a couple decent seasons with the Cards that he also wasn’t ready for 244 innings at age 28.

It’s remarkable (and a testament to his skills) that after going 2-19 baseball execs in the sabermetric stone age still thought enough of him to give him many chances to lose 19 again.

Tanner pushed Tunnell for rookie of the year. Looking at his peripheral numbers now, he wasn’t very good, but it also looks like he wasn’t ready for 177 innings of major-league pitching at 22. I’m not sure what eventually happened to him, it looks like he could have had a Josh Fogg-type career, but I have to remember there were fewer teams around then, much less in need of a No. 5 starter with ERA+s of 87, 89, so he was essentially washed up at 27.

The parallels between Deleon and Tunnell and, say, Oliver Perez and Zach Duke seem pretty obvious, and serve to remind us that Pirates pitchers (and probably young pitchers in general) have been raising high hopes and then flaming out for a long long time.

Don’t know that it means anything, but Tunnell and Brian Harper were/are devout Christians, and as rookies in the atmosphere of that clubhouse, with Dave Parker in charge and the drugs flowing and Tanner (and the press) oblivious, that couldn’t have been easy.

I remember the two of them watching in amazement/horror on the clubhouse TV the video for Billy Idol’s “White Wedding” (think Tunnell called out “Harp, look at this” and one of them said something about “Satanism”). And all the time they had a horror show going on right around them.

I was glad that Harper survived all that and went on to have a pretty good career, once he got settled in behind the plate for the Twins (the Pirates had him I think at 3B and the OF). Had some good years with the bat for a guy who had little power and didn’t walk much. He seemed like a pretty good guy.

by bucdaddy on Apr 6, 2009 10:52 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Tunnell had a decent rookie season.

But it would’ve been hard to not vote for The Straw.

Tunnell went to Japan around the time he turned 30, which was probably the kiss of death as far as his ML aspirations were concerned.

by Vlad on Apr 6, 2009 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

bad baseball

makes great articles. there’s a million stories out there about winning teams, like standard boilerplate of whether the yankees’ spending spree can lead them back to the playoffs, that can make it impossible for a writer to say anything new. dejan has the opportunity to cover (at least in pittsburgh) the kind of story that nobody else can, the day by day story of a team about to set the all-time record for futility and the effort underway to restore them to championship caliber, so everything he writes is like shining a light in a dark room. if this ends up with a feel good ending it would certainly be quite a story.

while i’m on that, let me just echo that the award is very well deserved. great baseball writing (i’m of course counting this blog too) is one of the things that makes being a pirate fan enjoyable.

by johnnycuff on Apr 5, 2009 11:12 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Disagree

When you’re a winner, or are supposed to be, everything can get magnified. See Milwaukee down the stretch last year. Every managerial and personnel move is parsed more closely. Maybe if you’re winning a division by 20 in late August things might be in cruise control on the beat. If not, the pressure is greater day to day than it is for a losing team.

by azibuck on Apr 5, 2009 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

exceptional reporter

I am so glad to see Dejan getting recognized for the tremendous job that he does. Besides the excellent coverage and the blog, He always replies to emails. I am constantly amazed at how thorough he is. Paul Meyer, Robert Dvorchak, and Rob Biertempel might be good guys, but their coverage is/was nothing compared to Dejan.

by navajo on Apr 5, 2009 4:28 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

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