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Why Gorzelanny Doesn't Start for PBC

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It came as a shock to many (myself included) when Gorzelanny was summarily sent to Indianapolis during spring training.  To me, despite how poorly he had pitched last year, he had reached the point in his career where he either sticks with the big league club or turns into Kip Wells, but perhaps the minors are the best thing for him.  In an article at pittsburghpirates.com, I came across this wonderful tidbit:

When Gorzelanny does pitch again for the Pirates, which the organization certainly believes he will, he'll have a pitch at his disposal that he didn't utilize during a tumultuous 2008 season. After getting away from using his curveball last season, Gorzelanny has resurrected the pitch in Triple-A this year and with some success.

"In the beginning of [last] year, I tried throwing it and for some reason it just wasn't there," said Gorzelanny, whose strikeout on Monday included a nasty curve that Dunn swung through. "I realized that it's probably a good idea to get my curveball back and work on both of those. Things have gone well. It definitely expands my repertoire."

This is incredible.  He imagines that perhaps, after getting cast away like so much chaff to the murky deep of "organizational depth", he should work on bringing his curveball back.  I'm pretty sure this is what professional pitchers do:  tighten down their repertoire and drop some pitches because they are rusty at the beginning of a season.  So what has he been throwing?  Just fastballs?  I can see a reliever having trouble with a pitching and letting it go for a week or two because the team is doing well and he's pitching setup almost every game, but a starter can't just go out and wing a curveball in every time, especially not when you have the command of Gorzelanny, especially vintage 2008 Gorzelanny.

I guess perhaps it's not really his fault.  Just another young pitcher who pitched way more innings than the year before and then goes down in a terrible crash and burn.

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Pirates management has tried to kill the careers of Maholm, Duke, Gorzelanny, etc. by working them way, WAY too much too soon. And that has been our weakness as an organization for years now. We overthrew Kris Benson into oblivion, for example.

by ddff22 on May 19, 2009 5:36 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

actually

I looked at the others too to see if there was something there (Snell and Duke especially are suspect based on how they performed over several years), but in Maholm and Snell’s career I don’t really see a very bad ramping up of workload. However, Duke’s workload from 2004 to 2005 went from 148 to 192 innings, assuming he didn’t play any winter ball in ’04, and that is a pretty big jump. 2005 was of course the year of his brilliant introduction to the major leagues.

by poorboywilly on May 19, 2009 6:30 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

yea...

overworking pitchers, poor drafting, signing(and starting) over-the-hill veterans. I think it would be more difficult to point out the strengths of the McClatchy era. I think the increased workload hurt Gorzo a good bit but it also seemed to me that he wasn’t that hard of a worker and he just expected to have a starting job. I think now maybe he has overcome the over worked arm and is now is trying to become a hard worker to earn that job back. He looks like he has dropped a little weight and is getting in better shape.

by gorillakilla34 on May 19, 2009 6:40 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Gorzo...

Clearly isn’t the sharpest tool in the shed. He came into camp last year in terrible shape, which he admitted this spring, and wonders why he can’t command his pitches.

Now he has come to the shocking conclusion that, as professional pitcher, it would be a good idea to work on his pitches. Million dollar arm, ten cent…….

Man, I hope he puts it all together, but how about a sense of commitment to your livelihood?

by dtoddwin on May 19, 2009 7:55 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

We kind of knew going in that Gorz wasn't a rocket scientist.

That’s why he was pitching in JC when we drafted him: He failed out of Kansas.

by Vlad on May 20, 2009 9:25 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

As I recall

He started throwing his slider more and scraped his curve. Very hard for any pitcher, especially a young one to throw both with any consistancy.

by buccoben on May 19, 2009 9:41 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

And I am also guessing

that Gorzo was hurting the early part of last year when he tried throwing the curve. Remember…toward the end of last year…he finally admitted that he was hurting as early as spring training.

Between overuse at the end of 2007…hurting the early part of last year…and being out of shape…it was pretty much a “perfect storm” scenario that led to a devilish 6.66 ERA.

by Thunder on May 20, 2009 12:03 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I'm not sure I agree with you...

Studies have shown that arm injuries to pitchers mostly occur when they are allowed to throw more than 110-115 pitches in any one game and not because their total IP for the year is more than 110% of the previous year’s total. In fact, those same studies show that it is far more efficient to use a 4-man rotation than the customary 5-man rotation which became fashionable over the past 10-15 years but yet nobody seems to have adopted it. Throwing with just 3 days rest instead of 4 days does not seem to hurt the arm. It’s throwing with a tired arm that occurs after 110 pitches that often results in arm injuries. As a result, I can’t agree that Gorzo’s problems are related to his total IP but rather something else. Perhaps, his poor conditioning, his inability to adjust to hitter’s adjustments, or simply due in part to his limited intelligence. He’s not the brightest bulb in the pack.

by Illinois Pirate Fan on May 20, 2009 2:07 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

a) I would like to see said studies.
b) What about Nolan Ryan? Greg Maddux? CC Sabathia? Anyone that pitched before 1980? There are many pitchers who buck the pitch count trend and I think very little real evidence to back it up. I think the main problem is we have NO IDEA why some pitchers can pitch however much they want, whenever they want, and never have an injury while some pitchers never get on the mound, regardless of how babied (or not) their arm has been.

by poorboywilly on May 20, 2009 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I had a buddy

who could eat as much pasta, cake etc. that he wanted, and never gained an ounce. Never. I hated that sumbitch.

The human body is cool & weird.

I know that had nothing to do with what you said.

I'd rather be dead than singing "Satisfaction" at forty-five. -- M. Jagger

by cocktailsfor2 on May 20, 2009 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Jason

It is a 3-part study written by a physician and author for Baseball Prospectus named Dr. Rani Jazayerli in which looks at the medical data compiled by the AMA entitled “Doctoring the Numbers”.

by Illinois Pirate Fan on May 20, 2009 5:16 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I read an article...

wish I could remember what it was, that basically said that it is the number of pitches in one inning that puts more stress on the arm vs. the # of pitches thrown in a game overall. I guess to put it in weight lifting terms, it’s a lot more dangerous to the body to do 1 set of 100 arm curls than it is to d 5 sets of 20 arm curls. Kinda makes sense.

by Slick1 on May 20, 2009 10:34 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

And yet...

the manager seems to ignore it when he has pitchers throw 30 pitches in an inning.

by Thunder on May 20, 2009 11:16 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

IPF...

Gorzo had TEN starts in 2007 with 110 or more pitches.

His starts in September 2007
9/2/07……4 IP 105 pitches
9/7/07……7 IP 118 pitches…14th win.
9/12/07…6.2 IP 107 pitches
9/18/07…5 IP 107 pitches
9/23/07…5.2 IP 117 pitches
9/29/09…6 IP 90 pitches

His ERA went up four tenths of a run in his last 3 starts. ERA was never ABOVE 3.50 going into September and ended up at 3.88.

by Thunder on May 20, 2009 6:47 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

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