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Pirates 8, Nationals 5: Ugliest. Win. Ever.

Jeff Karstens narrowly outdueled fellow crafty starter Shairon Martis on Tuesday, but John Russell and the Pirates' slim-pickings bullpen combined to make this one much more of an adventure than it should've been. The Bucs built a nice early lead in the first for Karstens after Freddy Sanchez doubled in Nyjer Morgan and what should have been an error by centerfielder Willie Harris was scored as a two-run double for Brandon Moss.

The Nats hit a couple balls hard in the first two innings, but many they went right to the Pirates' fielders. Karstens, meanwhile, threw a fastball that came in as hard as 92, and his slow curveball was as good as any I've seen from him--he absolutely froze Adam Dunn with one of them in the second inning. Karstens can be fairly successful with his best stuff against a mediocre hitting team like the one the Nationals fielded tonight. Entering the game, the Nationals had scored the tenth-most runs in the majors, but the Nats' announcers kept referring to the "big three," which apparently included Cristian Guzman. If Cristian Guzman is among your "big three," your offense could use some work, especially when it also prominently features outmakers like Harris, Wil Nieves and Anderson Hernandez. (Not that the Pirates' offense is anything to write home about.)

Andy LaRoche delivered his second homer of the year in the top of the third on a fastball that Martis left up in the zone. Martis did LaRoche a favor, but it was still nice to see Andy knock one out--as much as his on-base percentage has been an asset since his dreadful first few games, it's hard to be a productive starting third baseman without a little more power than he's flashed so far.

Karstens plugged away before running into trouble in the sixth, during which Russell left Karstens in while a five-run lead dwindled down to one. The eighth spot in the order was due up first in the top of the seventh, so Russell probably figured he didn't want to use one of the four relievers (yes, only four, two of whom were Donnie Veal and Tom Gorzelanny) available to him. I don't think that's a great excuse for leaving Karstens in that long, but Russell was dealing with a pretty difficult situation. When Sean Burnett is your second-best option out of the bullpen, your choices are probably going to start seeming stupid and desperate.

Of course, the only reason Matt Capps was unavailable was because Russell had him pitch with a six-run lead on Monday. Russell left Burnett in the game, but Burnett gave up a Nick Johnson triple (a rare occurrence that requires a confluence of events--in this case, a well-hit ball to center, a near-miss by Nate McLouth, and some fumbling by Morgan) and a walk to Ryan Zimmerman. Then Burnett threw a wild pitch, tying the game and moving the winning run to second. Burnett walked Josh Willingham, the Bucs' seventh walk of the game, and Russell absurdly called on Gorzelanny to get the Pirates out of a two-on jam with two outs and a tie game in the bottom of the ninth, which just isn't a situation where a dubious recent callup should be pitching. Fortunately, Gorzelanny notched a huge strikeout.

You know, if Capps can't be dependable as a closer, fine--but the Pirates need some sort of contingency plan, and tonight it wasn't at all obvious that they had one. Burnett's bumbling in the ninth forced the game into extra innings, which was the last thing the Pirates needed.

Fortunately, the Nationals' bullpen is even worse than the Pirates', and the Bucs scored three runs in the top of the tenth. Gorzelanny stayed in to pitch the tenth and, overall, looked pretty good. Not "should be pitching in high-leverage situations" good, but he didn't look nearly as clueless as he looked last year.

Whatever. There are 28 big league teams who would have beaten the Pirates in this game. Fortunately, the Bucs played the 29th team. 

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Moss is really looking like a ML caliber outfielder at the dish and in the field right now. I know he won’t keep up this pace for the duration of the season, but this is the potential NH and FC saw in him when they gave up Bay to get him last year. It might be a flash in the pan, but it’s good to see that the potential is there.

by Suffering Buc on May 19, 2009 10:23 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

What was absurd?
Russell absurdly called on Gorzelanny

Not sure I follow you about this being absurd and Russell not fooling anyone. Gorz and Burnett are both lefties, and the batter was a lefty. Burnett had thrown 21 pitches in the inning and 35 overall. Why not go with the fresh guy? Even if Burnett had gotten out of it, it’s likely Gorz would have started the 10th (and 11th, and…), so leveraging him there was the proper call.

I’m with WTM and some others that Russell is a horrific game-manager, but this was a solid move and I thought so when he did it.

by azibuck on May 19, 2009 10:34 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

My thinking was not that it was terrible that he picked Gorzelanny given the available options, but that it was absurd that he allowed himself to get into a situation where he had to use Gorzelanny there. Gorzelanny got sent to the minors this year for a reason; I wouldn’t trust him as far as I could throw him, regardless of his handedness.

by Charlie on May 19, 2009 11:10 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It is hard for me to understand

exactly what you think he should have done instead. The only thing that occurs to me is that you don’t think he should have used Capps in the 9th the night before with a 6-run lead, but given how unreliable Capps has been lately, it doesn’t seem altogether clear that a rested Capps would have been a guy you’d want out there protecting a one-run lead in the 9th.

When one’s closer has an ERA over 8.00 and there are a several others in the pen whose reliability one might reasonably doubt a bit, bringing in the new kid in a tough situation might be the best of a bad set of choices.

by WestCoastBuc on May 20, 2009 10:27 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The problem is JR

Veal hasn’t pitched in 2 weeks (as of today). But JR wouldn’t use him to mop up in the 9th with a 6 run lead against the worst team in MLB — instead throwing out the “ace” of the bullpen.

Knowing Karstens was starting the next day, JR should have saved his pen. You can’t expect a CG or even 7 IP from your 5th starter.

When is JR going to let Veal pitch? In 2 weeks the PBC has had blow outs and been blown out. In a 10-1 loss to the Mets on 5/9 JR used Chavez, Meek, and Grabow in the 8th (when already down 8-1). And JR won’t let Veal pitch when the team is up by 6 against the Nats in the 9th.

So is Veal going to see any more action this year? The Bautista Rule states that if you let a Rule 5 guy lose a whole season when he’s on the 25 man roster, he never recovers his potential.

Someone downthread mentioned McClendon. One criticism I have of JR is that, unlike McClendon and Tracy, he doesn’t feel any need to let all 25 guys play now and then. Look at Delwyn Young — he had to wait a long long time to get his first start, and he’s been en fuego ever since. Now that Morgan is back, see if Young gets any more starts in the OF — not likely. Same with Monroe and Hinske.

by WstCstBucco on May 20, 2009 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Young won't get many starts in the OF...

…because the team apparently sees him as a 2B.

They aren’t planning on giving Vasquez many starts in the OF, for the same reason.

You may disagree (as I do) with the belief that Young can handle 2B, but if you start with that premise, then their handling of him makes sense. He’s a bench player, acquired to be the backup at 2B and 3B.

by Vlad on May 20, 2009 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks

I hadn’t realized Veal hadn’t pitched in 2 weeks. From the comments I’ve heard here about him, I am not sure that I would want him in there with only a six run lead though. It does seem pretty silly that JR won’t use him even when we’re the ones getting blown out.

by WestCoastBuc on May 20, 2009 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You’re right about the “not fooling anyone” line, though—that wasn’t totally fair.

by Charlie on May 19, 2009 11:22 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Looking down at the bullpen this season

must feel like McClendon felt when looking at his bench and having such crackerjack hitters as Abe Nunez, Mike Benjamin and Keith Osik. The only difference is that McClendon couldn’t ruin young arms by leaving in the starting fielders too long. It’s franklly amazing we aren’t a joke like the nats given our bullpen when Grabow and Capps are sucking, and you have to look to Meek and Chavez and Burnett as reliable. This year is going to get ugly unless the young arms in the bullpen dont pick it up. Im ok with that—I’m looking at 2010—but it sure would be nice to see a bullpen that was mediocre by the trade deadline. And you can call me “Mr. Happy.”

by Bwillits on May 19, 2009 10:49 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

The bullpen...

might be the last thing to get better on our team. With Neil’s favor toward signing hard throwing relievers with control problems and free agents’ reluctance to sign with the Pirates (see Ohman, Will). I don’t see the deadline, IMO, bringing as much this year as it did last year because of our lack of quality players who are under contract. If you want to look ahead, make it 2012 instead of 2010.

by gorillakilla34 on May 19, 2009 11:37 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

big three?
If Cristian Guzman is among your “big three,” your offense could use some work.

Who are the Bucs’ “big three?” Oliver Onion, Sauerkraut Saul and Cheese Chester?

by bryanzane on May 19, 2009 11:39 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Hey, when did I ever say the Pirates’ offense didn’t need work? :)

by Charlie on May 19, 2009 11:54 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Discriminator

You deliberately omitted Jalapeno Hanna (who for some reaosn reminds me of a catcher we have), for whom I always, ALWAYS root. Your obvious bias is indefensible.

by bucdaddy on May 20, 2009 12:42 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

FREE POTATO PETE!

He’s suffered long enough.

by Vlad on May 20, 2009 9:20 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Washington actually has a very good offense overall. 3rd best batting average in NL, 4th in HRs, 3rd in RBI, 3rd on base %, 2nd slugging. The problem for them now is two very good players (Jesus Flores and Elijah Duke) are hurting. But when healthy it is much better than what we have from here. Their pitching is very much worse than anything else in the majors right now, though.

by ddff22 on May 20, 2009 1:17 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah. I tightened up that paragraph to reflect what I actually meant.

This recap was an exercise in writing my thoughts as the game was going on, as opposed to waiting until the end like I usually do. It didn’t work.

by Charlie on May 20, 2009 3:22 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Despite the negatives...

OK, it was disappointing to see the Pirates let the Nationals back in the game and eventually tie it. It was also disheartening that 20 some Pirates went down in order, but the hitting came at the right time and that is all that matters. I think the Pirates should be happy that they got out of there with a win last night. Sean Burnett pitched terribly but Gorzelanny looked like his old self again. The Brothers LaRoche and Brandon Moss once again tore up, as they have been doing of late. The Pirates are only three games under .500 now and if they keep up the timely hitting, I think they can finally break the losing streak.

by Ariba!#21 on May 20, 2009 9:40 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Let's not get carried away

Remember who they’re playing.

But … hope is a good thing, and no good thing ever dies.

by bucdaddy on May 20, 2009 9:56 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It IS nice to beat up the Nationals...but....

First of all…the Nats DO have a decent hitting lineup, so don’t be too hard on the pen. Second I’m happy that my personal prediction of no better than 3 wins vs the Rockies/Nats did not happen. BUT….lets see what happens in the 6 game Chicago trip…..if the Bucs split….I’ll consider them on a TRUE upswing…maybe we WILL have hope for that .500 season!

by Bucco44 on May 20, 2009 10:19 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ugliest Win Ever?

Have you forgotten last year’s season opener?

by gorillagogo on May 20, 2009 10:16 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Upswing?.....NOT!!!!

They didn’t do it…AGAIN! 2 of 4 against TWO weaker Chicago teams….once again when the Bucs have a chance to turn a corner…overtake the foe in front of them….make a statement…THEY FAIL! They key game was the rain shortened game of Tuesday nite…but not to be undone they had to lose the season finale as well. PLEASE BUCS…PROVE ME WORNG!!!! But I say they HAVE to win 5 of 7 against Houston and the Mets or it’s the annual out of the picture by mid June…and look forward to the Steelers.
By the way, I’ll predict not more the 3 wins in reality in that 7 game stretch.

by Bucco44 on May 27, 2009 5:06 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

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