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Who Should the Pirates Draft?

[Personally, I'm not big on the idea of taking a high school pitcher with the fourth overall pick, but this is a cool article. - Charlie]

 

I have to admit that I’m already in full blown draft mode. The new front office has definitely brought that excitement back for me. There are a couple of different schools of thought for the #1 pick amongst the posters on Bucs Dugout: 1) take the best player available or 2) take the best position player available (and stock up on pitching in later rounds). I usually fall into category 2 because of the low success rate of pitchers selected as high as where we normally pick. There is also the fact that when you are picking at #4 you absolutely can’t miss. 

 

This year’s draft, however, has me looking at things differently. This draft lacks elite position prospects; so much so that it makes taking a pitcher at #4 seem more reasonable. Any position player not named Dustin Ackley taken in the #4 spot would be such an overdraft that if this were football Mel Kiper would go nuts! Too bad we can’t trade down because this would be a perfect draft to be selecting 10 – 20. The upside to this draft is, while there is a lack of elite position prospects, there are many very good catching prospects. This draft is also rich with pitching prospects. Fortunately, these are the two types of players the Pirates need the most. The Bucs have a chance to snatch up some very good prospects through our 1st three rounds in which we own the 4th, 49th, 53rd, and 84th picks. 

 

So, you are running the draft for our beloved Bucs.  Who would you select with these picks? Please be reasonable with your selections.  Also, go on the assumption that Ackley will be gone by the time we pick at 4.  And by reasonable I mean the player falls within a few places of where he is projected to go.  In other words, Stephen Strasburg doesn’t fall to #4 and Donavan Tate and Grant Green don’t slip into the 2nd round.  I’m more curious to see who everyone thinks we should get in the 1st round so if you don’t follow the draft that closely ignore the other rounds. 

 

My mock draft goes like this:

 

4 – RHP Shelby Miller, HS: Yes a HS pitcher with the 1st pick. Jacob Turner could be selected here too but he is a Boras client who apparently has huge bonus demands.  I don’t want to see another battle with Boras Co so Miller it is.  Miller also possesses the best fastball in the draft in terms of velocity and movement.  Miller and Turner both have “ace” ceilings and are the only prospects in this draft not named Strasburg that have #1 potential, IMO.   We really need an “ace” in ours system.

 

49 – LHP Andy Oliver, OK St: He’s a hard throwing lefty with #2 upside.  His early season struggles combined with the fact he is a Boras client, could allow him to slip into the 2nd round.  And has anyone else noticed that we seem to love Oklahoma St. players?  Baseball America projects him as a 1st rounder but Keith Law ranked him as the 46th best prospect in the draft so it is possible he could be around. 

 

53 – C Luke Bailey, HS: Formerly the top catching prospect in the draft.  Bailey is sliding down draft boards from the top half of the draft into the sandwich rounds (and possibly farther) due to the fact he’s had TJ surgery.  If he’s not available I would select the best available C.  There are # of good prospects expected to go at this point in the draft (Phegley – Indiana, Susac & Escalante – both HS).

 

84 – OF Reymond Fuentes, HS:  This HS OF is very toolsy with an extremely high ceiling.  He has plus speed.  Keith Law gave him a 70 on the 20-80 scale and ranked him as the 85th best draft prospect.  He also has pedigree on his side given he is the nephew of Carlos Beltran.  The knock on him is plate discipline, as it is with many players his age, but if all goes right with him he’ll turn into a solid 5 tool player.  If he’s not available here, and may not be once the CFs start coming off the board, I go pitching again and take someone like a Bullock out of Florida.

 

OK – enough of me.  Who are you taking?

 

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Thanks.

I have subscriptions with ESPN Insider and Baseball America so I tend to forget about MLB.com. A lot of good stuff there.

by Slick1 on May 20, 2009 7:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Catching.

I’m generally not a fan of targeting particular positions with particular picks, but given our system weakness, I do think we should try to find a catcher somewhere in the first five or so rounds.

I like the way Bailey looks behind the plate, but I’m not entirely sold on his bat yet. I need to see more to make up my mind.

by Vlad on May 20, 2009 5:13 PM EDT reply actions  

I’d take Ackley if he’s still there, as I’m still afraid of taking a pitcher there. If he’s not available, I guess I’d have to go with one of the HS arms. I’d be too worried about Green’s D and power to take him at #4.

by wickethewok on May 20, 2009 5:23 PM EDT reply actions  

It's pretty much a given...

…that we’d take Ackley if he’s there, but it seems extremely unlikely at this point that he will be.

by Vlad on May 20, 2009 5:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Miller

Shelby Miller is full of helium. No way he’s better than Matzek or Purke. He does fit the mold for Huntington’s favorites, he throws super hard. I do think that we need more righty pitchers, since we have way too many lefties.

Then again, Matt Harvey is right handed, and I think we should have a good shot at #1 next year.

I’d take the best available pitcher, as long as Ackely is off the board. So Ackely or pitching.

In the later rounds, Bailey and Oliver would be a great pickups if they drop, and I would love for them to get Matt Graham.

by H2O on May 20, 2009 5:35 PM EDT reply actions  

Yeah...

I don’t think it’s a matter of Miller being better than Matzek or Purke. Matzek is probably the most polished HS pitcher in the draft. However, I think Miller’s, and Turner’s, ceiling is higher which is why I’d go with one of them. I wouldn’t complain if we got Matzek or Purke either.

by Slick1 on May 20, 2009 7:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Holy Crap!

Looking at the way Washington is playing against us it is more likely they will be picking #1 again. Can you imagine what there rotation will look like down the road if they get Strasburg this year and Harvey next year. That could be freaking scary!

by Slick1 on May 20, 2009 7:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Gotta sign ’em first.

by WTM on May 20, 2009 8:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

And then pay the piper, aka Dr. Andrews.

by WTM on May 20, 2009 8:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m taking Aaron Crow. I think he’s the second best pitcher and after last year’s negotiations with Washington, we should have a very good idea of his contract demands.

by thegreatchris on May 20, 2009 8:56 PM EDT reply actions  

I was wondering....

if someone would take Crow. Next to Gibson he may be the safest pick in the draft. He has #2 upside but the only problem I have with him is that he is basically a two pitch guy. Both his fastball and curve are plus pitches but I think he’s going to need more than that to turn into an ace. He’s a solid pick but I like the HS guys at this point because they can still add to their fastball and have time to develop their secondary pitches. That being said I would’t be at all upset with Crow and probably not Gibson either.

by Slick1 on May 20, 2009 10:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

By the way Charlie...

thanks for cleaning this post up. I had you, and WTM, in mind when writing this becasue I know you’re not high on taking a pitcher (let alone a HS pitcher) this high. Given the situation with this year’s draft I’d really like to know who you would select.

by Slick1 on May 20, 2009 10:44 PM EDT reply actions  

Oh man, I don’t know. I haven’t done the research yet to really know my stuff. Ackley, if he falls to the Bucs? Tate? Crow?

by Charlie Wilmoth on May 20, 2009 11:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think..

Tate will be the most interesting position prospect available to us. Apparently the Padres front office is split with the scouting director loving Grant Green while Towers loves Tate and wants the Padres to become more athletic. I gotta believe that the GM will win out in this situation which means if everything falls into place as it currently stands, the best position prospect available to us at #4 would be Grant Green. IMO opinion he’s a huge reach at 4 given his performance this year. However, if you feel his down year was attributed to him caving to the pressure of being a top prospect and his 08 numbers are more indicative of his norm, Green may be a steal at #4. It’s definitely an interesting draft. If Tate were available he would cost us some bucs but his upside is comparable to Andrew McCucthen’s when we selected him. He’s one hell of an athelelte. And Crow would be a solid pick as well. I pass on him though for the reasons I stated above. We have been burned too many times in the past by going with the “safe” pick. I don’t see a big difference in drafting a HS pitcher with #1 potential than signing a 16 yr old Dominican with Hanley Ramirez and Albret Pujols comps for $4 million dollars.

by Slick1 on May 20, 2009 11:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t see a big difference in drafting a HS pitcher with #1 potential than signing a 16 yr old Dominican with Hanley Ramirez and Albret Pujols comps for $4 million dollars.

They might be similar in terms of risk and dollars (or they might not; I’m not really sure, since I don’t think a position player has yet been picked out of Latin America for $4 million), but at least when you sign the Latin player it doesn’t cost you a draft pick. You only get one shot at a first-round pick.

Just curious—why is Crow a “safe” pick? The knock on him seems to be his mechanics, not his stuff, and he’s been the best non-Strasburg college pitcher in the draft two years in a row now. Does he not have #1 upside? You say above that Crow is basically a two-pitch guy, but at least he does have a changeup, and he’s been working on it pretty hard since last year. From what I’ve read Miller doesn’t have a changeup.

And on the flipside, as WTM has pointed out here again and again, a college pitcher is not really a “safe” pick anyway—they flame out all the time.

I’m not necessarily disagreeing with you, since you obviously know what you’re talking about, just trying to learn more.

by Charlie Wilmoth on May 20, 2009 11:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Safe may have been a poor choice of words...

He’s one of the safer picks if you are going to select a pitcher. He and Gibson are probably the most likely pitchers to reach their ceilings or at least be serviceable #4 or #5 type starters. So I guess I was looking at Crow being the safe pick when compared to the HS pitchers that have higer ceilings. I’ve heard a lot draft “experts” say that the “safest” pick in the draft is actually Dustin Ackley. This where the whole pitcher not being safe comes into play because you would think that Strasburg would be on everyone’s list.

by Slick1 on May 21, 2009 10:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

If the Pads go for Tate or Green, Ackley could possibly fall to the Bucs. Zduriencik never does what people think he’ll do. His pattern is to go for power arms and power bats. He might do something weird like draft Scheppers. If Ackley is around, that’s a no-brainer, IMO.

by WTM on May 21, 2009 12:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

To be honest, I'm kind of flummoxed this year.

Among the arms, I honestly like Rex Brothers as well as anybody, but I think he’d be a reach at our slot and there’s no way he lasts until the second. I like the speed and action on Miller’s FB, and I’d be OK with Oliver if we think we can teach him a breaking ball that does more than just spin. Not crazy about Turner, whom we are apparently watching pretty closely.

Heckathorn would be fun with one of our 2nd rounders.

by Vlad on May 21, 2009 12:11 AM EDT reply actions  

Heckathorn would be fun with one of our 2nd rounders.

Particularly since his name sounds like a 19th century swear word.

by Charlie Wilmoth on May 21, 2009 12:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

1800’s, man. Need I say more?

by Dignan on May 21, 2009 3:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

I agree on Heckathorn.

Out of curiosity, what don’t you like about Turner?

by Slick1 on May 21, 2009 10:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'm not an authority or anything like that.

But his FB looks a little flat to me, on top of not having quite as much gas as some of the other top arms. And his slider, while decent enough, isn’t a killer swing-and-miss pitch like some of the other guys’ breaking balls. And when he’s on the mound, he doesn’t seem like he has great body control, which could become an issue if we need to make any adjustments down the road.

There are things to like about him, too, of course. He’s got the big, projectable body, he’s got three solid pitches even if none of them are killer, and he doesn’t have any crippling flaws in his motion. I’d be OK with him if we were picking in the 15-20 range. I just feel like we can do better in our slot.

by Vlad on May 21, 2009 11:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'll admit my relative ignorance when it comes to the MLB draft

But among the pitchers not named “Strasburg,” Tanner Scheppers is the one I’d most like to see the Pirates draft based one everything I’ve read. If Ackley is still there (and he looks to be fully recovered) I’d take him in a heartbeat. Otherwise, I think the Bucs will take a pitcher, and Scheppers seems to be best blend of projectability and upside.

by mattjg on May 21, 2009 12:34 AM EDT reply actions  

“Agreed. He has wonderful projectability and upside… for my practice. I’m talkin’ yachts and stuff. Cha-ching!”

- Dr. James Andrews

by Dignan on May 21, 2009 6:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

Anyone know if he okay’d the pirates to select him again? I thought I heard something about he has to give permission of a Team that would like to draft him a 2nd year in a row. Is that correct?

by lfhlaw on May 28, 2009 10:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

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