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From the Post-Gazette:

Thirty members of the Pirates' team party, more than half of them players, were given a one-hour, guided-tour visit of the White House yesterday, a day before President Obama will welcome the Steelers.

"I thought we'd take a better tour," said infielder Ramon Vazquez, noting that it was brief and limited. "It was nice to be in there, though. Those paintings they got -- the 1800s, man."

Dude, yeah, like Aaron Burr and stuff! And Fauntleroy suits, what was up with those things?! Like it's 1865 up in here, where's my top hat!!! And like I'm totally going to dine on some hardtack and kick Robert E. Lee's sorry pratts all over Sayler's Creek, know what I mean? Dude. The 1800s.

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I found the whole White House story funny.

Craig Monroe complaining that the president was busy with his day job and that it “stinks for him”. Obama probably found out he didn’t get to meet the Pirates and was so distraught that he had to turn in early last night. Not that he got any sleep. The Pirates were in town and he didn’t even get to meet them.

Then there’s Perry Hill not going because he’s a self professed “George Bush man”. I can understand that he’s been there before with the 03 Marlins and maybe he didn’t want to see it again. Just because you’re a Bush man doesn’t mean you can’t go when the other guys are running things. Or is that a rule I’m not aware of “No going if the other guys are in charge”.

Then John Russell not wanting to go until he has a World Series ring. So is he going to steal one eventually or is he never going to the White House?

by IAPiratesFan on May 21, 2009 7:53 AM EDT reply actions  

I can understand...

…not wanting to meet a Prez from the other team. I sure wouldn’t have wanted to shake hands with Bush.

That said, I think Hill’s crazy for being a “George Bush man”, but what the hell. To each his own.

by Vlad on May 21, 2009 8:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

Dont Understand...

Personally I am on Hill’s side politically but you dont pass up a private tour of the White House and moreover if the President summons you that is that…party doesnt matter. If the President invites you, you go.

by Mick Kraut on May 21, 2009 10:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

If I saw George Bush in person...

…I don’t think I could be politely sociable. I’d want to punch him in the face. And then I’d get arrested, and go to jail. So it’s probably best that I just politely take a pass on the whole thing, in the interest of comity.

by Vlad on May 21, 2009 10:52 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I hated Bush...

However whenever I think of the responsibilities of the President one at a time: National and world Economic policy (have you ever seen a federal budget!?!), foreign relations policy, military action that has thousands of lives, international repercussions, supreme court appointments, a million other things each and every day…I find that I think it would take a genius to handle any one of those elements, let alone all of them. I don’t excuse him for doing what I consider a crappy job, but I find myself having a world of respect for anybody who takes that on, even if I think they have no business doing it.

Seriously though, they probably felt awkward about meeting him right before embarking on a barnstorming sweep of his beloved Chicago teams. Nyjer probably was so excited that he took off running into the White House before the tour started and was asked to leave.

McLouth is The Trouth

by GTrain on May 21, 2009 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

must. not. make. bush / genius. comment. or. charlie. will. shut. down. thread.

KHAAAANNNNN!!!!!

I'd rather be dead than singing "Satisfaction" at forty-five. -- M. Jagger

by cocktailsfor2 on May 21, 2009 6:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed...

if self restraint is not Perry’s strong suit then I support his decision.

in a slightly on-topic note I was at the game last night and ran into Tom Ridge in the concourse. I was heading to my seat with my Ben’s Chili Bowl fully loaded Half Smoke. Talk about a code orange alert for the stomach!

I nod to him and say hello…he says hello back. My wife says “do you work with that guy?” to which I respond “um, no he used to be governor of PA and was the first Sec of Homeland Security.” Her reply “oh, I thought he looked familiar”. If only the cast of “The Hills” had been there, them she would have spotted instantly. HA!

by Mick Kraut on May 21, 2009 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

That's pretty funny.

The most famous people I’ve ever seen at the game are Leyland/Tanner, working as advance scouts.

by Vlad on May 21, 2009 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Different in DC...

As you can imagine you can sometimes run into pundits and politicos at sporting events down here in DC. Once sat directly behind Wolf Blitzer at a Wizards game…It was clear that he wasnt there to be seen or for the event…he knew the players the stats etc…clearly a devoted fan of the game. Some of the CNN lackeys in tow didnt seem to understand why the players needed to keep bouncing the ball etc…Wolf had no time for their ignorance. It was rather entertaining actually.

by Mick Kraut on May 21, 2009 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

thanks for the perspective on Blitzer

I once attended a college commencement where he gave the address, and he struck me as the most pompous example of “couldn’t care less” I’d ever seen. it’s nice to know that at least something makes him tick, so to speak.

by gonfalon on May 21, 2009 5:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

It’s okay to discuss politics here, but just a warning in advance that if it gets more heated than this I’ll probably shut it down. Bucs Dugout welcomes people of all political persuasions and I don’t want to turn off half the population if the commenters all skew to one side or something.

by Charlie Wilmoth on May 21, 2009 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not to Worry

No arguments here from me…politics is politics…baseball, now that’s important!

by Mick Kraut on May 21, 2009 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not to mention those of us who see baseball as an escape from this stuff!

by matskralc on May 21, 2009 6:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Vlad:

So, you prefer Obama, the baby-killing gay activist who wants to destroy our economy and health care system? Huh?

by Illinois Pirate Fan on May 21, 2009 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not to nitpick...

but you forgot crypto-muslim…

by Mick Kraut on May 21, 2009 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yup.

I was convinced by the “Raze America To The Ground, Then Salt It” plank of his platform.

by Vlad on May 21, 2009 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: JR not wanting to go

IIRC, that’s not unlike Barry Melrose not wanting to see the Stanley Cup in person, until he wins it….

by gonfalon on May 21, 2009 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

That’s brilliant.

I can’t believe Obama was unable to meet with them. I mean chances to meet Ramon Vazquez don’t come along every day.

I made most of my life decisions at a Foghat concert... I stand by them.

by Chester J Lampwick on May 21, 2009 8:10 AM EDT reply actions  

Just as a FYI, Charlie:

I just got a malware/spyware warning loading the front page, for “Mal/IFrame-F”. You may want to take a look at that.

by Vlad on May 21, 2009 9:56 AM EDT reply actions  

Ugh, sorry about that. First I’ve heard of it. Do you remember what ad was displaying on the top right when that happened?

by Charlie Wilmoth on May 21, 2009 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

I didn't happen to take note, sorry.

Should’ve, but I didn’t think of it at the time.

by Vlad on May 21, 2009 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

I sent it on to SB Nation’s tech people. I’ll keep you updated. The spyware thing shouldn’t happen here.

by Charlie Wilmoth on May 21, 2009 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

1800s, huh?

I’ve been fortunate enough to live in Germany for a few years. There are regular old family houses there w/doorway cornerstones from the 1300s. One town we drove through was having its 1000th (thousand, not hundred) anniversary. Sort of puts things in perspective

by Trogluddite on May 21, 2009 10:02 AM EDT reply actions  

You can’t expect baseball players to be history scholars, point being, at least he was impressed

by OpiateOfTheMasses on May 21, 2009 11:06 AM EDT reply actions  

Oh I know. I just thought it was amusing.

by Charlie Wilmoth on May 21, 2009 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

hopefully some of the younger, more impressionable Bucs returned to the WH today...

… with the NFL Champion Pittsburgh Steelers’ entourage, and got a taste of life on the other side of the W-L standings.

by gonfalon on May 21, 2009 1:44 PM EDT reply actions  

Screw the Steelers.

I hate all large-market teams.

by phil79 on May 21, 2009 1:55 PM EDT reply actions  

The Steelers' market is the same size as the Pirates'...

They’ve just done a better job of capitalizing on it.

by Vlad on May 21, 2009 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Indeed...

If ever there was a model for all sports franchises when it comes to strong, ethical and consistant leadership its the Rooneys. I have no doubt that the Buccos would have more pennants were they the owners. Hire the right people and let them do their jobs without the sword of damocles hanging over them.

by Mick Kraut on May 21, 2009 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

The NFL is completely different

I don’t live in Pittsburgh but I see these posts a lot on here. I think the success over the years of the Steelers causes people to cry “be more like the Steelers.” The league is designed for parody and the Steelers had great teams back when it wasn’t, but in between there were some down periods. They did do a better job than other teams like the 49res adjusting, but rebuilding in the NFL takes 2-3 years, not 4-6.

Trying to compare the business models of a sport where the team tries to fill a 30,000 seat stadium for 81 games and has no salary cap to a team that has to draw 60,000 8 times a year (a few more with playoffs, which is no problem), gets a ton of money from the league TV deal and has a rigid salary cap and labor agreement in which players are largely disposable is ridiculous to me. You have to really try to screw up an NFL franchise (see: Davis, Al…Millen, Matt) and I have no doubt Littlefield could’ve screwed up an NFL team before anyone makes that joke/ asks.

Yes there are small market Baseball teams like the A’s and Twins that are successful in smaller markets, and big market football teams that are terrible, (coughcough lions). There are some aspects that cross over like developing players internally, reaching out to fans, not overspending for aging FA, but as a business model it’s really comparing apples to oranges IMO.

McLouth is The Trouth

by GTrain on May 21, 2009 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think Coors Light really got it right with that “AND TWINS” commercial.

by Charlie Wilmoth on May 21, 2009 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

No question...

The leagues are clearly different. The issue isnt business model comparisons of 8 games vs. 81 or Salary Cap vs. No Cap.

The issue is leadership. The Steelers have had leaders, the Pirates only recently (and at that the jury is still out, while early returns trend positive).

Leadership transcends any of these differences (otherwise why would any business leader read Jack Welch’s books when GE is unlike 99% of the companies in the business world?).

Hire the right people, give them the resources they need and get out of their way.

Welch has a great quote that applies here I think “Hiring good people is hard. Hiring great people is brutally hard. Yet nothing matters more in winning than getting the right people on the field”

Bonifay and Littlefield were not the right people and it is quite possible that they either were not given appropriate resources…in the case of DL it appears he was unwilling to spend resources provided (Latin America/DR vs. Burnitz/Randa et al).

We’ll never know the correct answer to this question, but were it the Rooney’s in that role and not McClatchy/Nutting in the last 13 years would the Pirates have been a better ball club? I vote yes.

by Mick Kraut on May 21, 2009 5:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

my irony meter is in the shop

so I can’t tell if your comment was serious or not, but I guessed you were joking

by gonfalon on May 21, 2009 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Does this mean Obama might actually invite the Arizona Cardinals to the White House? Boy will James Harrison’s face be red!

by mattjg on May 21, 2009 3:27 PM EDT reply actions  

Yesterday on ESPN Radio, Nate said he wasn’t going to the White House because he was taught never to go to the house of someone he doesn’t like.

by Suffering Buc on May 21, 2009 3:36 PM EDT reply actions  

That doesn’t sound like very good advice. Most teenagers don’t like their parents, so…

by Charlie Wilmoth on May 21, 2009 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

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