Day Two Draft Open Thread
by Charlie Wilmoth on Jun 10, 2009 10:00 AM EDT
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Rounds 4-30 of the draft begin today at noon. I'll schedule another thread to go up in mid-afternoon. Here are some picks: 4. HS LHP Zackry Dodson 5. College LHP Nathaniel Baker 6. HS RHP Zachary von Rosenberg I can't find anything interesting about Dodson or Baker, but Baseball America ranks Rosenberg their 41st overall draft prospect, so he could be a Grossman-quality pick in the sixth round. You can watch some video of Rosenberg here. His delivery looks a little violent, but his stuff looks nasty. 7. HS RHP Trent Stevenson PG CrossChecker ranks Stevenson the best high school prospect from Arizona. Baseball America's John Manuel "loves" him, and BA elsewhere writes that Stevenson "has the kind of body scouts dream on." 8. HS LHP Colton Cain Cain is a highly-rated two-way player who Baseball America has ranked among the top 100 draft prospects. He's 6'3" and throws a curve, changeup and 90-MPH fastball. The Pirates were, fortunately, serious about their strategy--they really are going to have to spend some money on some of these guys.
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It'a going to be a better day
I’m thinking Sam Dyson with our 1st pick
I don't know
Would you say that 4 picks outweigh the draft from last year, in which they did make several high upside picks in later rounds and sign them?
I dislike all of yesterday's picks...
…significantly more than I like any of last year’s late signs.
So in this case, yes.
Last year
it seemed like they decided the system needed middle infielders, and they took them. A lot of them.
Any chance they do the same thing this year with power hitters?
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Is there really any pure hitters in this years draft? They need to be lefty to play for the pirates right
Malm supposedly has pretty good power.
Though nobody knows how it’ll translate to wood.
If they were big on power this year, they probably would’ve taken Porthyress at 49, or Tommy Joseph at 53.
Yeah
so I’m guessing they’re not.
Don’t we already have enough OFs in the system that we could potentially look elsewhere? I mean, the 3 major trades he’s made have all brought back OFs. There were a couple (if I remember correctly) in the draft last year. And then ‘Cutch! and NyjMo (who they seem high on) and Pearce (who they aren’t high on) and all that…
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You can't fall into the trap...
…of thinking about what you have in the bigs right now when you’re drafting. A high school outfielder might need five or six years to make it to the bigs for keeps – who knows what Cutch or Tabata will be doing then?
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I don't think
it’s subscription only.
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Anyone know anything about
Mike Spina (3, U of Cincinnati)?
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Hm... I'm reading
8th to 12th round or so.
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BA ranks him as #5 in Ohio.
Senior, so probably a cheap sign. His college coach guesstimated 10th round.
Why do you ask?
Just wondering
seems like he has some power in his bat (though I don’t know how that translates to the minors/majors).
And given that I know about 0 of the prospects know, I’m just going through and searching random sites to find names
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Here is the top 20
Wednesday, June 10, 2009
Pirates Notebook: Make or Break for Huntington
by Tim Williams at 12:14 AM
I’ll give Neal Huntington and the Pirates’ front office credit: they don’t care at all what the fans of Pittsburgh think. They’re going to do what they think is right, regardless of the public backlash that will come from the moves they make.
I think that’s a good thing. You can’t make your decisions based on the demands of the fan base. The fans are exactly that: fans. They don’t know anything. 99% of people criticizing the Tony Sanchez pick have never seen Sanchez, and probably haven’t seen any of the players drafted today. Their only information on the prospects comes from one or two web sites, and these sites aren’t always 100 percent accurate. The fans will read a report and think they’re on par with the Pirates’ GM, but that’s not exactly the case.
That even goes for a guy like me, who starts following the next draft not long after the previous draft has been completed, and reads as much as possible on the subject. I may think the Pirates were better off with Jacob Turner or Aaron Crow with the number four pick, but the thing is I’ve never seen Turner or Crow pitch a game. I base my information off of two things: stats and the scouting reports of one or two sites.
It’s hard to make an accurate judgment on stats. Sure, Jacob Turner struck out two batters an inning in prep ball this year. However, that’s against players who went and took an Algebra test the next day. That doesn’t guarantee success against guys like Albert Pujols in the majors.
Then there’s the scouting reports. I said this a lot tonight, but Neal is paid to not only evaluate these guys (and in a more in-depth manner than reading a few articles and checking stats), but he’s also paid to rank these guys. If it was as easy as looking at the Baseball America top 200 and making your selections based on the list, anyone could do the job.
I’m certain that every team had a different set of rankings, and that none of those rankings matched the Baseball America rankings. There may have been some similarities in some areas, but I know there’s no way one group of rankings matched another. So who’s to say which set is right? We favor the BA rankings, because that’s all we know on these players.
I give credit to Neal after tonight’s draft for making the tough choices and for seemingly sticking to his rankings. However, this draft is going to be the make to break for his career as a GM. If these picks work out, then Neal will look great for seeing Tony Sanchez as a solid option at #4, rather than a late first rounder like the media rated him. If these picks flop, Neal will be joining Dave Littlefield in the scouting department.
As for those picks…
Pick #4: Tony Sanchez, C, Boston College
A lot of people will compare Sanchez to Daniel Moskos, but there is no comparison. There was no Matt Wieters in this draft available to the Pirates at #4. In fact, the talk that the first round prospects were pretty equal in talent was given some credit today.
A lot will be made by Bucco fans about the Pirates taking Sanchez (ranked 32nd by BA) at #4. However:
-Baltimore took Matt Hobgood (#40 at BA) with the #5 pick.
-San Francisco took Zach Wheeler (#12 at BA, and considered the most signable prep pitcher) with the #6 pick.
-Atlanta took Mike Minor (#35 at BA) with the #7 pick.
-Cincinnati took Mike Leake (#14 at BA) with the #8 pick.
All of the top high school arms (Matzek, Turner, Purke, Miller) were on the board for picks 5-8. Aaron Crow was also on the board. You could make the argument that all of these picks were made due to signability issues. Then there’s the BA rankings as a whole. 29 players remain in the top 111, despite the fact that tomorrow’s day starts with pick number 112. There were even 12 players taken who weren’t ranked in the top 200 by Baseball America (the Pirates took one of them).
So if the biggest complaint on Sanchez was that he was ranked low, I don’t think that’s a valid reason to hate the pick. What I do know:
-Sanchez is considered a slightly above-average major league defender. A lot of talk after the pick said his defense was major league ready now.
-He has soft hands, quick feet, and a borderline plus arm, which is a great combo for throwing out runners.
-He excels at framing pitches and blocking balls in the dirt.
-The big issue is on offense. He has solid-average power. He crushes fastballs, but struggles against breaking balls. However, he’s a smart enough hitter to lay off the impossible stuff, and has a mature approach at the plate.
One thing I thought was ironic was that Baseball America had Max Stassi and Wil Myers ranked slightly higher than Sanchez, but Stassi hasn’t been drafted yet, Myers went with the 91st pick, and six catchers were drafted in-between Sanchez and Myers.
My Summary: I made it known that I thought Turner or Crow would be better here. I still think that. I’m not going to say Sanchez was a bad pick, but it certainly is interesting, and it will especially be interesting watching it all play out. Sanchez looks like a great defensive catcher, which is important for sticking behind the plate. If his hitting works out, we could be looking at our starting catcher in a few years (not saying we don’t have a good one now, but I don’t trust Ryan Doumit’s health long term behind the plate).
Pick #49: Victor Black, RHP, Dallas Baptist
Black was an interesting selection, taken right around where he was ranked by Baseball America (which was #50). Black is 6’4", 205 pounds, and throws a 92-95 MPH fastball, topping out at 96.
Black had a good curveball as a freshman, but has struggled with the pitch recently, with his curve now rating below average. He now throws a sharp slider and a good changeup. His control is the biggest issue, but shows room for improvement.
My Summary: Black could very well wind up as a reliever, which would put his fastball around 94-96 MPH consistently, and would also make things easy on him by providing a need for just one “out pitch”. His fastball rates as All-Star caliber, and overall he rates as a solid-average player at the Major League level.
Pick #53: Brooks Pounders, RHP, Temecula Valley HS
First let me say that I think it’s awesome having a pitcher with the name “Pounders”. It seems that Pounders has a build to fit his name, as he’s 6’5" and 240 pounds.
He doesn’t throw a hard fastball, clocking between 88-92 MPH, but shows some room for improvement to an above-average fastball. He has good control, and throws three off-speed pitches. His curve is mid-70s, his slider is 76-80 MPH, and his changeup is 78-81 MPH.
So while the low 90s fastball isn’t encouraging, the change in speeds should be a good thing for Pounders.
My Summary: Seems like a solid control pitcher. Pounders projects as a solid-average to above-average major league pitcher. He has two pitches that could be above average (fastball and changeup), and combined with his good control and his size makes Pounders an interesting selection.
Pick #84: Evan Chambers, OF, Hillsborough CC
Chambers is an interesting selection. He was ranked #181 by Baseball America, which makes this another “reach”. However, Chambers draws comparisons to Kirby Puckett and Kevin Mitchell, due to his size at 5’9", 215 pounds. Chambers is a center fielder who is athletic, an above-average runner, and fast enough to play in center.
His thick frame helps him generate raw power. The big issue is whether he can hit in the majors. He has trouble laying off breaking balls, but if he can fix that issue, he would become a steal. In 188 at-bats this year he hit .324 with 11 homers and 27 stolen bases.
My Summary: I think the comparisons to Puckett and Mitchell are due to his size, but how great would it be to get a guy like that. Chambers is probably the most interesting pick in the draft so far for us, although it’s not hard to beat a catcher and two right handed pitchers who specialize in control. The Pirates are stocked in the outfield, and Chambers panning out to these comparisons would give them even more depth.
Looking Ahead to Day Two
The draft resumes tomorrow with rounds 4-30, starting at noon, EST. Even though it’s obvious Neal Huntington isn’t on the same page as Baseball America, here are the top remaining players according to BA, with their original rankings in parenthesis:
1. Max Stassi, C (30)
2. Sam Dyson, RHP (38)
3. Zack Von Rosenburg, RHP (41)
4. Brody Colvin, RHP (43)
5. Madison Younginer, RHP (45)
6. Keyvius Sampson, RHP (47)
7. Chris Dwyer, LHP (55)
8. Jeff Malm, 1B (59)
9. A.J. Morris, RHP (60)
10. Jason Stoffel, RHP (62)
11. Kent Matthes, OF (63)
12. Angelo Songco, OF (64)
13. Brian Goodwin, OF (65)
14. Dane Williams, RHP (68)
15. Jacob Stewart, OF (74)
16. Ryan Jackson, SS (80)
17. Austin Maddox, C (81)
18. Brooks Raley, LHP (82)
19. Andrew Doyle, RHP (87)
20. Ryan Buch, RHP (90)
Seems to me that Mr. Williams...
…might want to try watching some video on the top prospects. There’s quite a lot of it out there, if you take the time to look, and it’ll help you cut through the hype in some of the written prospect reports out there.
What is everyone's guess for our 4th round pick
Mine is Sam Dyson RHP South Carolina
Draft Party
One thing Neal Huntington said in answering a public question last night was that his people thought Crow had lost some stuff from last year, that his fastball was some slower and his breaking pitches weren’t as crisp. He said that Crow was actually (testing my memory here) not even among the top several the Pirates planned to take.
Overall, the draft party was ok, nothing like last year, when BN, FC, and NH were on site and talking to everyone. Rob King was the MC, and did a good job. BS’ed with him for 10-15 minutes talking baseball. He’s seems to have decent baseball knowledge.
Oh, by the way, for the first time in dealing with the Pirates at these events, the food sucked…
Food sucked? They’re opening up the budget for those late picks any way they can
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by Sixty Feet, Six Inches on Jun 10, 2009 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Do we go for cool names alone
and take Keyvious or songco?
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Vlad
You are obviously pretty knowledgable, especially on the draft.
Is this the first thing that you’ve disagreed with the front office on? I’m trying to remember if you haven’t liked anything else.
The first big thing, probably.
I mean, I was pulling for Smoak in last year’s draft, over Alvarez, but I didn’t think that Alvarez was a bad idea – I just liked Smoak more. And I wasn’t big on signing Monroe, but how much does a fifth outfielder really matter? Little stuff like that.
Whereas this is huge, by comparison
Right. Exactly what I meant.
I don’t mean the things like Craig Monroe, like you said. And Smoak over Alvrarez was more of preference over theory.
So this is the first thing.
by hisjazziness on Jun 10, 2009 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Vlad
Agree on both points. Smoak likely is a bit more polished as a hitter and fielder. Also, I wasn’t wild about Monroe.
But I thought the FC/NH team got off to a nice start until yesterday.
I get angrier every time I think about it. NH trying to pass off Sanchez on #3 on the board was laughable. I lost a lot of respect for him.
Oh, this is going to be boring
no Selig, no Lasorda, etc…
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Hmmm
Seems the draft tracker and audio feed don’t work through my company’s unfriendly proxy server… looks like I need to resort to drastic measures to circumvent it.
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zachary dodson medina valley high school YX
Zackry
never seen it spelled like that
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High school lefty.
Reportedly wants seven figures – I don’t think his stuff warrants it. Committed to Baylor, so he has a good out if we don’t pay up.
Where'd you see that?
I guess he’s not signing then?
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He could be one of those people the Pirates are thinking to spend big on. We’ll find out.
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by Sixty Feet, Six Inches on Jun 10, 2009 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Can't find anything on him
via twitter, Buccofans says he wasn’t in BA’s top 200
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Dodson's Pitching stats
http://www.maxpreps.com/texas/baseball/medina-valley-(castroville)/zackry-dodson/stats.aspx?athleteid=d0ad6459-8eb3-4783-b803-e71dea26ea81&ssid=adbd6bc0-7585-418e-8d8c-bf56eb02934e&urpath=,local,player&group=4
by northsidenotch on Jun 10, 2009 12:13 PM EDT reply actions
Cool
But it IS high school.
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by Sixty Feet, Six Inches on Jun 10, 2009 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Much more encouraging.
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by Sixty Feet, Six Inches on Jun 10, 2009 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Not a hard thrower
mlb.com video shows his velocity in the mid to high 80’s only. I have no idea if that’s accurate or not though. Motion looks pretty good and he’s skinny, so maybe he gains some MPH as he fills out.
Velocity isn’t as important as people make it out to be. By the time you make it to the Majors, you’re not going to be just throwing your fastball by anyone. Movement and control are the most important things.
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by Sixty Feet, Six Inches on Jun 10, 2009 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh snap, Hazelbaker from Ball State just got selected. I go to school there, I’ve seen him play. Good pick this late.
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by Sixty Feet, Six Inches on Jun 10, 2009 12:18 PM EDT reply actions
Dyson still on the board. 3 picks to go.
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by Sixty Feet, Six Inches on Jun 10, 2009 12:19 PM EDT reply actions
how are
you guys watching this? draft tracker isn’t showing anything
It has an audio stream.
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by Sixty Feet, Six Inches on Jun 10, 2009 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions
http://mlb.mlb.com/media/video.jsp?content_id=4456771
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Hm... My tracker is updating
by pick.
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And we pass on him again. We take Nathaniel Baker, LHP from Mississippi
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by Sixty Feet, Six Inches on Jun 10, 2009 12:21 PM EDT reply actions
Three average pitches.
Reasonable pick there if they’re planning to stretch him out as a starter. Not a knock-your-socks-off choice by any means, though.
If Dyson Falls to the 6th
We need to take him he has a power arm
Not bad. Not bad at all. Good for this round, I think.
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by Sixty Feet, Six Inches on Jun 10, 2009 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Average for this round.
Which probably makes him the best value-relative-to-slot of everyone we’ve taken so far.
Not finding anything on Baker or Dodson.
Dodson, I expected (HS and all). But Baker’s a college player…
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Dyson still on the board. Apparently no GM is high on him so far.
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by Sixty Feet, Six Inches on Jun 10, 2009 12:31 PM EDT reply actions
Dodson from BA
Zackry Dodson OF/LHP MedinaValley Texas
Baylor’s top recruit, lefthander Zach Dodson, likely will make it to school because he has a seven-figure asking price. He has been inconsistent this spring, but when he has his mechanics in sync he can hit 91-92 mph with his fastball and demonstrates a solid curveball and the makings of a change. He’s not big at 6-foot-1 and 190 pounds, so he generates velocity with some effort in his high three-quarters delivery. He’s also a good athlete whose lefty bat also could help the Bears, and they should be able to smooth him out.
So…many…pitchers.
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by Sixty Feet, Six Inches on Jun 10, 2009 12:33 PM EDT reply actions
This is the course of action prescribed by WTM and others, though
Don’t draft pitchers in first round. Draft hitters not named Tony Sanchez and draft pitchers en masse rounds 2-10.
by hisjazziness on Jun 10, 2009 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm not against it.
Like they say, you can never have too much pitching. I’m fine with it.
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by Sixty Feet, Six Inches on Jun 10, 2009 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions
The WTM approac
Would have worked perfectly. They just started picking decent players four rounds too late.
Other than Dyson
Which of BA’s top guys are still out there?
Von Rosenberg is a good choice.
If they can sign him. Someone upthread said he wants $2M.
To be honest, I think he’s the best player in our whole class.
Zachary Von Rosenberg is a 2009 RHP/SS/3B with a 6’5’’, 196 lb. frame from Zachary, LA who attends Zachary HS. Van Rosenberg has a tall frame and a good pitchers build. His arm is loose and smooth and really projects. He showed good mechanics and repeats his delivery well. He topped at 88 in the Metrodome, but more will be coming. He has good off-speed pitches including a late breaking curveball at 76 mph and a changeup with good fade at 78 mph. He commands his pitches well and really projects. He verbally committed to the LSU Tigers and is also a good student.
http://www.perfectgame.org/players/playerprofile.aspx?ID=184274
by northsidenotch on Jun 10, 2009 12:35 PM EDT reply actions
video
has anyone else seen his video? his 2 seamer/changeup (wasn’t paying attention to the radar gun) is filthy. that pitch had alot of tail to it
I think you can just add 30 to each pick, too. Our last one was 175
by northsidenotch on Jun 10, 2009 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions
BA Draft Tracker would have it...
1-4 Sanchez
1s – 49 Black
2 – 53 Pounders
3 -84 Chambers
4-115 Dodson
5-145 Baker
6-175 Von Rosenberg
Dyson STILL on the board. Talk about falling due to signability.
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thank
I also just want to reiterate how stupid “tweeting the draft” is
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i want to reiterate
how abominous twitter is in any form
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I don't
not enough time to find info on the guys
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i am still holding out for Madison Younginer
has serious arm strength (93-97) could end up being a reliever in the bigs, but is worth taking a chance on..
I like it. Arizona recruit:
Scouts going to Arizona in the spring will have at least two top pitching prospects to watch in Stevenson and fellow righthander Jake Barrett, but you couldn’t find two more opposite pitching profiles. Stevenson first appeared at a Perfect Game event as a freshman in 2005; and at that point was a 5-foot-10, 125-pound middle infielder with minimal tools. He has since grown into a highly-projectable, 6-6, 175-pound righthander who, while still almost painfully thin, shows easy athleticism and very loose actions. He has a power pitcher’s arm action with clean, tension-free extension out front. Stevenson’s fastball was 89-91 mph at the Area Code Games in early August and he was seen up to 93-94 mph during the fall. He also throws an upper-70s slurve-type breaking ball and has a very good feel for a changeup. He has a good approach to pitching and has shown the ability to pitch to spots. Stevenson is very similar to former Arizona high school righthander Brett Jacobson, who attended Vanderbilt and was selected in the fourth round of the 2008 draft, except that his delivery and arm action appear more repeatable and effortless at the same age. Stevenson has signed with Arizona .
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I watched
his scouting video. Holy crap is he skinny, it’s pretty damn funny. Nice delivery though.
Thats high school for you...
heck when I graduated college I was 6-1 135lbs…I am decidedly bigger than that now 15 years later…
Re: Stevenson
Long and lean right hander with loose and clean arm action along with the makings of a quality breaking pitch. Reports of a mid 90s+ fastball early this spring have created a buzz.
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Nats
already have a deal with Storen (pick #10)
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Yes
Another big money guy … goes by Colton.
Nice job so far.
Billy Cain
ranked 109 by BA: 118:18 K/BB ratio, 2.17 ERA in 58 IP
From MLB.com
Cain is a big, strong lefty out of the high school ranks who will have to be signed away from being a two-way player at University of Texas. He’s improved his Draft prospect stock as a pitcher, running his heavy fastball up to about 94 mph. His other offerings are behind the heater, but he does have a feel for pitching. He’s a step behind the elite prep lefties in this class, but he’s not too far below them.
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Cain is a great pick, but another guy we will have to over slot to get. I am VERY happy we drafted him! he was projected as a late first/early second guy on talent but slipped because he supposedly really wants to play both ways at Texas.
They weren't lying....
when they said they needed to save money for later rounds. Some of these guys are gonna be tough signs.
Dodson & Cain
top that list at the moment
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So this is the strategy
Go cheap on the overpriced first round and then draft a slew of talented, hard-to-sign pitchers later.
Viva Clemente!
Hey
as long as they actually sign the guys, we’re good
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From BA
Cain is a two-way prospect with power both on the mound and at the plate. At 6-feet-3, 225-pounds, Cain offers a high-80s fastball, topping out at 90 with good command. He delivers from a high 3/4 arm slot and also throws a mid-70s curve ball and changeup to complement his heater. On Thursday, Cain faced 10 hitters, allowing only one base hit and striking out three.
As long as
Pounders gets his body under control, it’s got to be a good thing to have 4 solid pitches out of HS. But yes, some of these guys they are getting are nice talents.
Just curious
on the MLB.com videos, they show 2 numbers for each pitch. What are they?
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So the one
that had 79 and then 21 for Stevenson (I think)… that’s bad?
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i also saw
111 on one…not sure it is very accurate
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by poorboywilly on Jun 10, 2009 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions
that’s the best changeup ever
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by poorboywilly on Jun 10, 2009 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions
actually
that’s more what I meant. It is probably fairly accurate, it just doesn’t always read right
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by poorboywilly on Jun 10, 2009 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Tweets from Jonathan Mayo
Another HS arm for the Buccos in the #mlbdraft. Colton Cain’s a good lefty. If they can sign all these guys, it’ll be a good day in Burgh.
JonathanMayoB3 1 minute ago
Wondering what the Pirates were doing when taking Sanchez in #mlbdraft? Look at all the HS pitching they’re going after; aggressive so far.
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what is
the #mlbdraft?
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by poorboywilly on Jun 10, 2009 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Cain...
Colton Cain is the premier high school first baseman in the draft. He’s a left-handed hitter with above-average power and a good swing. If he honors his commitment to Texas, he could be a two-way prospect, as his fastball off the mound reaches 90 mph. It would probably be a stretch for a pro team to draft him as a pitcher, but his arm strength is an asset at first base.
just 1 view, but yeah…
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Holt
Batted .348 with 12 HR as a junior.
http://riceowls.cstv.com/sports/m-basebl/stats/2008-2009/teamcume.html
Looks silimar to Brian Friday
who played for Rice a couple years before.
A shortstop by trade, but showed in the fall that he can play anywhere in the infield… Looks to be a great fit at second base…
Navarro College — Two-time, first team all-Texas Eastern Athletic Conference (TEAC) shortstop at Navarro College in Corsicana, Texas… Coached by Whoa Dill… 2008: Played in 46 of the team’s 54 games… Helped the Bulldogs set a new school record for wins (46) by batting .405 (70-of-173) with 33 RBI, 60 runs scored, 14 doubles, six triples and seven home runs… Drew 33 walks and converted on 20-of-25 stolen base attempts…Member of the national Junior College All-Star team… 2007: Batted .356 with 16 doubles, 25 RBI, three triples, a home run and 13 steals in first season with the program… Teammate of current Owl Jared Rogers for both seasons… Member of the Dean’s List both years.
RHP U. South Carolina
- according to BA
by northsidenotch on Jun 10, 2009 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Pitcher from USC south carolina
He has a 94-96 fastball and an above average curve drops bad
Joseph schoenfeld thanks for getting me excited about Dyson right before our pick
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SD State recruit
Corona Santiago senior catcher Joey Schoenfeld has verbally agreed to a scholarship offer from San Diego State University. He will officially accept in November during early signing.
“They are getting a very talented athlete that will be able to do multiple things for them,” Santiago coach Ty De Trinadad said.
Schoenfeld participated in many showcases this summer and with strong play quickly vaulted up the charts of both college and professional scouts.
“He had a huge summer,” De Trinadad said. “He really blew up and opened a lot of scouts’ eyes. He is definetly deserving, we expect bigger and better things from him next year.”
http://blogs.pe.com/inlandsoutherncalifornia/2008/09/santiago-catcher-will-attend-s.html
Well if the Lost Molina lovechild doesnt pan out…
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Wow.
harsh toke for the guy
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by cocktailsfor2 on Jun 10, 2009 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions
I like to picture Sanchez with some awesome poster in his room of all Molina brothers glaring at the camera with Lightning and a Ferrari in the background, like one of those posters I used to buy at the Book Fair in elementry school. It would have to say something awesome too like “WIDE RECEIVERS!”
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Stevenson and Cain from BA
They are lagging behind a bit over there…
Seem to have Stevenson’s position listed wrong..
Trent Stevenson SS/IF Brophy College Prep Ariz.
Stevenson has the kind of body scouts dream on. In 2005, Stevenson was a 5-foot-10, 125-pound shortstop. He’s sprouted up considerably since his freshman year and now stands 6-foot-6. Still rail thin at 165 pounds, he’s been pitching at 88-91 mph, but was up to 93 in the fall. He also showed great command in the fall, but has been inconsistent this year. His slider has looked sharp at times, but has also been inconsistent and he has a tendency to drop his arm slot when throwing the pitch. He’s a bit of a wild card in the draft. As a player who is still growing into his body and is relatively new to pitching, teams are baking on the projection with Stevenson. Scouts and college recruiters reported that he seemed to be a bit overwhelmed with the attention he received this spring and think he may end up at college.
Billy Cain LHP Waxahachie (Texas) HS Texas
On the right day, Cain can look like a first-rounder. He’s a strong 6-foot-3, 225-pound lefthander who has can sit in the low 90s for a few innings and touch 94 mph with his fastball. He has improved his curveball to the point where some area scouts grades it as an average pitch and project it as a plus offering. He also has a strong track record, having starred with the U.S. youth and junior teams the previous two summers. Scouts who aren’t as high on Cain have seen him overthrow trying to pitch to the radar gun, and didn’t think as highly of his breaking ball or arm action. If Cain attends Texas, he may get more of an opportunity to contribute initially in the lineup than on a crowded pitching staff. He’s a first baseman with plenty of strength and lefthanded power potential. He made more of an impression at the Area Code Games last summer with his bat, though scouts now prefer him more as a pitcher. They have some questions about his ability with wood bats and his defense. Cain reportedly wants a seven-figure bonus, which may be a bit rich for pro clubs.
I like to picture Sanchez with some awesome poster in his room of all Molina brothers glaring at the camera with Lightning and a Ferrari in the background, like one of those posters I used to buy at the Book Fair in elementry school. It would have to say something awesome too like "WIDE RECEIVERS!"
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Break?!?!
How Hard is it to check names off a list and then read one off when your turn comes?
Its not like you can’t get a bio break in waiting for the 29 picks before your next one…geez.
Oh, I dunno.
Maybe a bathroom break, get a cup of coffee, go have a smoke. Stuff that takes longer than the couple minutes between picks.
by IAPiratesFan on Jun 10, 2009 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions
You All Are Going to Love This...
rumor -
Jose Tabata starting for the first time in 37 days because of injury, left Altoona’s game today, because of an injury.
Ugh
This has the makings of a lost year for him.
Well...
Hope Robbie Grossman turns out.
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by Sixty Feet, Six Inches on Jun 10, 2009 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions
I still say we need to move Jose Tabata
down our list of impact prospects-physical problems, mental issues, a crazy, criminal wife….
We’ll be looking for another top-notch RF prospect next year.
Tabata was 0-2 and then was replaced by Gorkys Hernandez who also went 0-2.
Moskos 7 IP 6 H 2 R 1 BB 3 K
Curve lost 3-1.
No story yet to see what happened to Tabata.
Considering....
There’re 2 ABs each for him and Hernandez in centerfield I’d say it’s a pretty accurate rumor.
However, even if it’s a season ender (which I have no idea if it’s that or he’ll be back Friday or somewhere in between) he’s still only 21 and already in AA. So there’s at least that silver lining.
Jonathon Mayo
Giving the Pirates kudos for picks like Von Rosenburg and Cain and like the plan the Pirates are following.
What is the mood of the thread so far?
Feeling better than yesterday?
From the limited knowledge I have from reading the capsules it appears that NH will be taking a run at above slot signings for most of the picks between 4-10. Some possible impact arms…7 of 10 picks have been pitchers compared to the run on infielders in the first 10 rounds last year…
Can't find anything
on Schoenfeld
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Corona Santiago senior catcher Joey Schoenfeld has verbally agreed to a scholarship offer from San Diego State University. He will officially accept in November during early signing.
http://blogs.pe.com/inlandsoutherncalifornia/2008/09/santiago-catcher-will-attend-s.html
They had a plan all along
People just freaked out when they didn’t see it right away.
#325-
1 Aaron Baker, Oklahoma (redraft)
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He has huge power! Power bats are totally available by the bushel in the 10th round!
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by Sixty Feet, Six Inches on Jun 10, 2009 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions
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37th round in 2006.
http://www.thebaseballcube.com/players/B/Aaron-Baker-1.shtml
Baker
Finished the year ranked fourth in the Big 12 with 15 home runs … Has driven in 167 runs, eighth all-time at Oklahoma … Became first player to drive in 50-plus runs in three consecutive seasons since Casey Bookout (1997-99) … Solid defensive player with .991 fielding percentage in over 180 games played … Had 18 multiple-hit games and 15 multiple RBI games … Drove in career-high five runs in March 30 win over Nebraska … Also collected four RBIs in games against Wichita State (April 8), Baylor (April 26) and Washington State (May 31) … His 676 career at-bats ranks 10th all-time at Oklahoma.
http://www.soonersports.com/sports/m-basebl/mtt/baker_aaron00.html
I'll take it
Power seems to go up every year in college. Played well in cape league
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Per Baseball Prospectus
Bryan Smith (10:48:20 AM PT): A lot of small school first baseman have gone in this draft, but the power grades I got from Oklahoma’s Aaron Baker, to the Pirates in the 11th, were always better. Baker is a big boy that doesn’t play much defense, but in the Cape, he always took an impressive batting practice. There’s work to be done with hitting coaches, but there’s a solid starting point with that raw power.
he's gonna be great
down in the Captiol City next spring.
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RHP Jeffery Inman, Stanford (redraft)
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Jeffrey Inman
Fastball: Explosive. Again, no radar guns but it was getting on the hitter in a hurry. Reportedly works in the 90-93 range and I’d say he was in this outing. Velocity seemed to pick up as the game went along. Great movement as it has a ton of arm side run. He left the pitch up in the zone a little more than you’d like to see but he was able to spot the ball well when he threw it for strikes, especially inside to lefties.
Breaking Ball: An above average to plus pitch at times. Very good 12-6 movement that Vanderbilt hitters struggled to make contact with. He left the pitch up in the zone sometimes but it was evident that he was releasing a bit too soon on some of the ones he did leave up. If he can stay on top of it, Inman’s curve is going to be a good outpitch.
Changeup: Threw maybe one or two really good ones but the majority of them sailed high out of the zone. Has potential but Inman is going to have to work on it.
Other notes: It’s obvious that he mostly needs to work on getting a better downward plane to the plate so he can stay on top of his pitches. All of his offerings usually missed high when he was out of the zone. Good pitchers frame that he could probably add 10-15 pounds to. Slow delivery to the plate but overall he had good mechanics.
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Inman
2007- 7.6 K/9
2008- 5.7 K/9
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He was pretty highly rated but had a bad year in '09
I enjoy watching him pitch. He has a loose arm and easy arm strength. Last night his first pitch, according to the broadcast, was 93 mph. He topped out at 94 and didn’t throw a fastball below 89, and the pitch shows more sinking life in the 89-90 range than it does in the 92-94 range. He also throws an upper-70s curveball and a changeup that also sits in the upper-70s. When each pitch is at their best, it’s hard to think of another pitcher in the country that has as good of a three-pitch repertoire as Inman.
The problem is consistency. He will throw one pitch that is an absolute thing of beauty, and then on the very next pitch he’ll throw a straight fastball straight down the pipe, hang a curveball or hurl a changeup that doesn’t change.
http://www.pgcrosschecker.com/Articles/DisplayArticle.aspx?article=644
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Freshman right-hander expected to immediately contribute for the Cardinal this season. 19th round draft pick of the Kansas City Royals out of high school, but instead elected to come to Stanford. Hardest thrower on the staff with a fastball that resides in the low 90’s and can top out at 95 M.P.H. Excellent control and also throws a curve ball and change-up. Remarkably poised for a young pitcher. Will see significant innings as a freshman – even as a weekend starter. Was the top pitcher on the club during Fall Ball intrasquad games. Rated as 21st best freshman in the country by Baseball America prior to the start of the season
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no video on him either
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Gourley
East Carolina recruit, BA says he wont be able to stay at SS and will move to either a corner infield spot or even catcher. Says hes got plus arm strength.
LOL
ECU Pirates or Pittsburgh Pirates.
The choice is up to him
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Why do you act like anyone should have heard of these guys at this point?
Getting annoying…
for different people...
I’m trying to figure out who they are. if no one knows anything about them they don’t have to reply to it.
Aaron Baker's...
… brother’s name is Abel. He he.
Patrick Schuster?
Why do I know that name…was he the 7 no-hitter kid from FLA? Just went at #396
I've heard that name too
no idea why though
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“Michael Rockett is coming out of the game into the seventh, and in comes the big righty Brooks Pounders to take over.”
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#415
RHP Marcos Reina, Bakersfield College
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Are we done...
taking guys with signablity problems. There are still some guys left we could get, but we keep passing.
Agreed about today
Today was much better. I could bicker with a few picks. But they did go out and draft upside players.
But I think the Pirates gave us a false dichotomy. We skimp on the first round or we draft upside players later. The Bucs easily could have coughed up another million and taken a much better player in round one.
What was the last Forbes evaluation of the Pirates’ profit? I think it was between $15 million and $25 million.
yesterday.....
I think I was most upset by round 2 and 3. I understood Sanchez while not particularly liking the pick. I understood the sandwich pick needed to be signable. But after those two picks I was completely unimpressed by Pounders and Chambers.
I will feel a bit better if they sign two of the three HS arms taken in rounds 6 through 8……
I think so.
I think if you look at who was drafted and where and answer is clearly yes.
And if you have to wait a month to get him signed, it’s quality that matters.
A .250 catcher with 15 HR upside does not counterbalance taking a real prospect.
I would just love for us to send up the name of someone who is already drafted, or a major league player….or just Matt Weiters
“with the 543 pick the Pirates selct…Matt Weiters? Is there another Matt Weiters? What is this?”
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Wouldnt be any more of a wasted pick than...
Josh Bonifay and Brian Tracy were…or Joe Table’s son, whose name escapes me.
Reyna
It’s also a big day for other players with local ties. Bakersfield College coach Tim Painton said freshman pitchers Jarret Martin (from Centennial) and Marcos Reyna (Delano) probably are the BC players who will be drafted first — though not till at least Wednesday.
Reyna “burst on to the scene as far as professional baseball goes. He was throwing 88 or so in high school and had some command issues. For us, he’s topped out at 93, touched 94 a couple of times. He’s got a good curveball and just a lot more upside.”
wow, the Marlins just took a guy named Sequoyah Stonecipher! That’s even better than Brooks Pounders
where can i find
WTM’s thoughts? Anybody get me a link?
Good day.
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Peter Bako, C, Connor State College
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The catching depth in the organization
is pathetic.
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I lied.
Here’s a Q&A
http://www.oshawadodgers.net/2009/Roster/2009QandAs/QandAPBako.html
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.382, 3 HRs, 25 RBIs, Strong catch and throw guy
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His GF
ain’t too bad looking.
Wonder if his nickname is “Shakin’?”
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by cocktailsfor2 on Jun 10, 2009 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Thats another
top 100 guy on Baseball America.
Mayo tweet
Hate to keep tooting the Pirates #mlbdraft horn, but Den Dekker was supposed to go along time ago. They are clearly executing their plan.
Nice pick.
He could go anywhere from round one to seven or eight. Defensively, he’s as good as anyone out there. The only concerns I’ve read about him would be the transition to the wooden bat.
http://www.gatorcountry.com/swampgas/showthread.php?t=103730
Den Dekker
Rated the number 94 prospect in the nation by BA. Scouting report says that hes got a very strong throwing arm and plays great defense in CF. Scouts apparently like his swing but he has a lack of production, hitting only about .300 this year and really struggling with team USA in the past. He is however, an excellent baserunner, going 34-35 in SB’s this year. Overall, a great pick, if they get him signed.
Maybe bonus demands? He doesn’t have that much leverage, so that was probably not a good decision on his part.
he'll still be asking for 2nd round money
maybe they’ll sign him instead of the Chambers dude so that way we can get a comp pick between the 3rd and 4th round.
(crosses fingers)
Mayo
“Hate to keep tooting the Pirates #mlbdraft horn, but Den Dekker was supposed to go along time ago. They are clearly executing their plan.”
Lunch time...
Hopefully I don’t miss too much
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Had him as the 5th best prospect in Tennessee. They described him as a righty with late draft helium because of a recent hike in velocity, in this case hes been hitting 94 and sitting 92-93 his past few starts. He apparently has maturity issues and his second pitch (slurve) is very inconcsistent, although they do say that its filthy when its on. He’s a Kentucky recruit and I’m sure hell be a tough sign. Another good pick though this late.
by baseballgg24 on Jun 10, 2009 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes, the need to allow the ENTIRE draft
to transpire before condemning FC/NH.
Sounds like we’re getting plenty of highly-rated guys today.
These guys have a plan.
Yeah, this draft lines up pretty strongly with what they’ve been about since he got here: having a good plan and sticking to it.
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The more I think about it, the more convinced I’m getting that they took Sanchez only because they had a pre-draft deal with him. He’ll be at West Virginia by the end of the month with no fuss, while anyone else we could have picked there would have drawn the process out more since he would be the #4 overall pick.
I actually thought about it a bit this morning. I was thinking “last year’s draft was much better as a whole. Maybe their strategy this year is to just throw things at the wall and see what sticks – draft signable players, sign as close to all 50 as possible, and have a flood of minor league players. Surely some of them will contribute at the ML level.”
But with today’s selections it’s looking like I was wrong there.
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by Sixty Feet, Six Inches on Jun 10, 2009 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions
I was thinking about that too. How much is a couple extra months of development? Maybe not much, but it’s something.
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What was Doumit's deal? 3 years?
this is year 1
If Tony is ready 2 years from this one, he takes over. Otherwise Doumit could get traded last year of his deal.
If its 4 years, similar situation. I think they just want options at catcher in the minors ASAP
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I still don’t see anything wrong with drafting a Matzek or a guy who’s probably going to want to spend more time in college in the first, and balance signing them with the guys in the later rounds, knowing we’ll get that pick in a stronger draft next year if they don’t sign. But that’s a bit nitpicky and a bit shady anyway.
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Generally regarded as a bad idea. You lose a lot of credibility as a team. You think people freak when you extend Nate and Trade him? Try purposely not signing the 4th pick. Plus the guy next year has you by the stones, because you lose the pick if he doesnt sign.
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Thats why...
Washington picked Storen this year. If we had the 5th pick next year, we would end up having to overdraft someone anyway.
Yeah, but if we draft the #15 prospect in a strong draft so we can sign him, that’s better than the #25 prospect in a weak draft, right?
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while I dont buy they really thought he was the 3rd best guy, they seem to really like him and def had him higher than 25.
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We also lose a year of development on the player. They were so concerned about a few months of development that they made sure they had a pre-draft deal; a year and change would be even worse from that perspective.
Well, that’s not the same because it’d be a different player. It’s not like we’d be getting a 22 year old with 21 year old development, we’d just be getting a 21 year old with appropriate skills a year later.
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Realistically, two high picks aren’t going to net you two big time guys anyway. Because you HAVE to sign one, odds are you’re going to pick a signable guy there anyway (like the Nats did with their 10th pick this year). So really, you’re back in the same position of taking someone just because they are signable.
I feel like there will be a lot of minor league pitchers looking for jobs soon
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Yeah...
I even 1/2 of these guys are signed, keep an eye on the BA Transactions column over the coming months…alot of guys are going to be getting on with their life’s work I suspect.
Hm
Spina went to the A’s. They’re taking like everyone
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Urban
6’4 215. Texas recruit. Ranked the 28th prospect in Texas. Sat 86-89 most of the year although there is a mention of him sitting 91-93 at a scrimmage. BA says he throws strikes but needs work on tightening up his secondary stuff. The article makes it seem like he would be a tough sign, and considering hes a Texas kid with a scholorship to UT, I would think their right. I sound like a broken record, but again, if they sign him this is a great pick.
by baseballgg24 on Jun 10, 2009 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Pirates Draftee gift Bag
McLouth Authentic Home Jersey (a $95 value!)
Clearasil
Icy hot
Plane ticket to FL
6 pack of ICL
Terrible Towel
75 Pirates home game tickets for 2009!
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Seems like they’d give them a jersey of a player who was still on the team…
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by Sixty Feet, Six Inches on Jun 10, 2009 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Well given that the trade came out of nowhere, Im assuming they have a couple thousand on hand. Traded player jerseys are always on the discount rack
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Yeah, but it’s not like people are lining up to buy Maholm jerseys. He’s a good player too.
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by Sixty Feet, Six Inches on Jun 10, 2009 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Buccos - Round 20
Sam Spangler – LHP – Hawaii
*Note – SD took Gorley’s teammate John Wooten from East Wayne HS just before us.
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by cocktailsfor2 on Jun 10, 2009 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Reliever in college too
team high 4 SVs last year
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Spangler
29BB in 21IP . . . yikes!
With Joe kerrigan around, I feel pretty good that if we draft kids who have the raw talent that he can fix a lot of control issues.
Actually . . .
Those are his freshman year stats. 48K/14BB in 45.1 IP. Much improved.
Funny, someone asked in a Q&A with either Dejan or NH whether we could just draft a pitcher in every round. It was dismissed as impractical, but that’s pretty close to what we’re doing.
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“yea in 09 all the hitters in the draft sucked and all of our minor league pitching sucked so I just took 45 pitchers. hey 5 were on the 2014 world series champs so in your face Smizik”
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Hey
if it leads to a WS, I’m all for it
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Interesting Comment on BA about Dekker
Teams that believe in the bat could take den Dekker off the board by the sandwich round.
Either NH picked up a steal or…
Spangler
Redshirt sophomore pitcher Sam Spangler also showed signs of stardom this year by holding opponents to a team low .274 batting average. Spangler is a hard-throwing lefty, which is always high on major league teams’ wish lists.
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10 minute break
time to try and find something about beckman
(by the way, everything i’m finding, I’m post on my blog…)
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Neil Walker out 3 to 5 weeks
Tabata listed as Day to Day
Pirates pick up Chris Snelling from SD for future considerations. Assigned him to Indy.
All per DK.
Indy’s roster is operating below capacity, per Scott McCauly’s blog. Apparently they had to use Virgil Vazquez as a pinch hitter one game. This is probably just a swap of one organizational guy at a lower level for one at a higher level.
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by Sixty Feet, Six Inches on Jun 10, 2009 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Something tells me . . .
We might have a glut of lower-level pitchers pretty soon.
A little bit below AAA.
Snelling’s a good player, and a nice depth pickup. His big problem is that he’s never, ever, ever healthy. But when he’s on the field, he can play.
With Walker out
& Tabata day-to-day, they need bats
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The Dodgers selected a left-handed starter named Geovany Soto. They should trade him to the Cubs immediately.
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Anyone else noticed...
almost all these guys are big. There aren’t any midgets in the group.
Bravo to Neal Huntington
I sure hope to heck they get these bonus babies signed and you know who they are.
This is turning out to be a C+ at worst right now
August 17th will be an interesting day.
Irwin
Irwin is more of a mixture with three different pitches and excellent command
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Carmine Giardina (sp?)
-tracker F’d up on me
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Giardina
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redrafted
Boston, 28th round, 2006
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Hernandez
The senior has been showing the type of power that head coach Sherman Corbett expected to see when signing the Anaheim Hills, Calif., standout three years ago.
Sporting a .342 average with a team-leading 11 home runs and 40 RBIs, Hernandez is enjoying the ride.
*
Hernandez can look at several factors for his success. Assistant coach Mike Clement helped adjust his swing, and he’s showing more patience. Overall, maturity has made the biggest difference in more ways than one.
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Stats
Stats for Hernandez: .360/.473/.739, 17 HR in 211 AB.
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