Day Two Draft OVERFLOW THREAD
by Charlie on Jun 10, 2009 3:15 PM EDT
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RHP Jason Ericson, Washington
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by UtesFan89 on Jun 10, 2009 4:00 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Draft grade - just my opinion
If yesterday was a C+/B- kinda day, today is certainly an A/A- so far. However, it wouldn’t have been possible without the move they made on day one. So, overall – I’m thinking this draft is a B+ right now. Now if we can sign all the key guys.
A big ol atta boy for Neil, Frank, Greg and all the other members of the draft team.
by Brakeman8 on Jun 10, 2009 4:01 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm with you
Feeling great about the draft so far. Now we need to spend the money wisely and then do exactly what is needed July 2nd.
by BattlinBucs on Jun 10, 2009 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think yesterday was more of a D/F without context, but today makes it all better.
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by BadMaafala on Jun 10, 2009 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
A big factor I think a lot of people keep missing is that Sanchez was already using a wooden bat as a college player and still posted very good numbers.
by Brakeman8 on Jun 10, 2009 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He’s a legitimate first round talent for sure, but according to every bit of information I’ve read, there were better guys available at the same price. (I guess we couldn’t get deals done ahead of time with all of them though.)
by shayborg on Jun 10, 2009 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wait
You’re allowed to use a wood bat in college?
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by Sixty Feet, Six Inches on Jun 10, 2009 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
cape cod league
uses wooden bats; same discussion last year about how he’d already displayed prowess with a wooden bat.
by mocasdad on Jun 11, 2009 8:03 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
same discussion, that is...
about how alvarez had displayed prowess with wooden bat
by mocasdad on Jun 11, 2009 8:04 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I didn't know that...
is that true? Where did you here that?
by Slick1 on Jun 10, 2009 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Actually I don’t think it’s true. BC uses aluminum bats; listen at 0:32 or so in this video.
by shayborg on Jun 10, 2009 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If you really think yesterday was a D or F, I can’t imagine that today fixes everything. Draft grades now are meaningless, but grading against what I wish they’d done, I’d say the draft is a C+ or B- overall. Assuming they’re going to sign the first four guys at slot, I still think they could have gotten more talent for the same amount of money. I do think we will spend more on the draft this year than all but a few other franchises, but it’s still critical for us to make the most out of every draft dollar, and as best I can tell we didn’t do that yesterday.
by shayborg on Jun 10, 2009 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, they may have been able to get more talent more similar dollars, but that doesn’t ruin the draft for me. If the first 4 rounds get a D and the other 46 rounds get an A, only the first 4 rounds suck talent-wise, I’d still say that’s more like a B-B+ draft
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by BadMaafala on Jun 10, 2009 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dan Straley from marshall gets the call.
by Brakeman8 on Jun 10, 2009 4:02 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Freddy and Moss back in the line up today. JJ at C. Now for the bad news, Adam is still in the 4 hole.
by Brakeman8 on Jun 10, 2009 4:04 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
GIDP, here we come.
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by BadMaafala on Jun 10, 2009 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
maybe he’ll have a good game and just K.
by Brakeman8 on Jun 10, 2009 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Gold.
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by Sixty Feet, Six Inches on Jun 10, 2009 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
lol
issues with the draft.
poor padres
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by UtesFan89 on Jun 10, 2009 4:09 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
CF
Aaron LaFontaine, high school
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by UtesFan89 on Jun 10, 2009 4:10 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Buccos - Round 25
Pick 745 – Aaron LaFontaine – CF, John W. North HS in CA
by Brakeman8 on Jun 10, 2009 4:10 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
lol
Cincy take Michael Monster
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by UtesFan89 on Jun 10, 2009 4:11 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Why do I not see the overflow thread on the homepage?
by hisjazziness on Jun 10, 2009 4:12 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Don't blame you!
But I still don’t see it there. Had to link to it from the slow-ass 500+ comment thread.
by hisjazziness on Jun 10, 2009 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The chick announcing the St. Louis picks sounds hot. lol
by Brakeman8 on Jun 10, 2009 4:15 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
LaFountaine stats
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by UtesFan89 on Jun 10, 2009 4:15 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
gracias
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by UtesFan89 on Jun 10, 2009 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
From his HS coach...
Aaron brings a lot of tools to the table. His versatility is going to be a great asset for us the next two years. He can pitch, play first, play outfield, runs pretty well, and has great instincts. Once he is able to add some bulk to his frame he is going to be an exciting player.
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by UtesFan89 on Jun 10, 2009 4:18 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
On to
round 26
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by UtesFan89 on Jun 10, 2009 4:19 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Buccos - Round 26
Pick 775 – Matt Dormody, Norwalk, HS
by Brakeman8 on Jun 10, 2009 4:20 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Matthew Dermody – LHP, Norwalk, HS Iowa
by Brakeman8 on Jun 10, 2009 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Another big guy at 6-5. If they can’t pitch, maybe they can start a hoops team.
by Brakeman8 on Jun 10, 2009 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not just a ton of pitchers; a ton of lefties, and a ton of high school kids…
by shayborg on Jun 10, 2009 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The next Randy Johnson is out there somewhere.
by Brakeman8 on Jun 10, 2009 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
missed who they took
and stupid tracker… ugh
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by UtesFan89 on Jun 10, 2009 4:20 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Another WV kid
1B Matthew Frazer from Nitro to KC
by Brakeman8 on Jun 10, 2009 4:22 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
J.R. House
Played his football in WV and then transferred each year to play baseball in Florida.
by patthatt on Jun 10, 2009 8:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Committed to Iowa
asking for a lot of money, it seems
“The Hawkeyes also are keeping an eye on two of their signed recruits — Downers Grove (Ill.) North High School catcher Dan Sheppard and Norwalk lefty Matt Dermody.
“They’re getting a lot of play from pro scouts,” Dahm said. “They’re both asking for a lot of money, so they could go anywhere from maybe the fifth round to not going at all because of the amount of money it’s going to take to sign them.”"
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by UtesFan89 on Jun 10, 2009 4:23 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Can't find any pitching stats for him
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by UtesFan89 on Jun 10, 2009 4:26 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
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In 2008 Dermody was 6-3 with an 0.78 ERA and 130 Ks, hard throwing pitcher
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by UtesFan89 on Jun 10, 2009 4:26 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
PG Crosschecker
“Scouts have been talking a lot about the 6-5, 190 southpaw all spring. He was loose and easy with his delivery and sat in the 85-87 mph range with a quality change up.”
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by UtesFan89 on Jun 10, 2009 4:28 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Brandon King of Martinburg WV to the Nats
by Brakeman8 on Jun 10, 2009 4:29 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Seen him pitch … Tennessee recruit, easily best prep player in the state.
by woobie on Jun 10, 2009 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dermody
He won’t have a ton of stats yet because Iowa’s High School baseball season starts late. It goes from May to end of July
by tsbulldawgs64 on Jun 10, 2009 4:29 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
ah, okay
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by UtesFan89 on Jun 10, 2009 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
another C
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by UtesFan89 on Jun 10, 2009 4:30 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Paul Luquette from HS
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by UtesFan89 on Jun 10, 2009 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Catchers and HS pitchers
the name of the game, sprinkled in with some CFs.
by Slizeezyc on Jun 10, 2009 4:31 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I can just see NH on a podium in from of 50 6-4 18 year old stormtroopers/ pitchers at ST
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by GTrain on Jun 10, 2009 4:31 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Buccos - Round 27
Pick 805 – Paul LuQuette C
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by Brakeman8 on Jun 10, 2009 4:31 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
pitchers and catchers will report to camp, then 5 more guys will show up in a week
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by GTrain on Jun 10, 2009 4:32 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
If these guys strike everyone out, all you need is a pitcher and a C!
by Brakeman8 on Jun 10, 2009 4:32 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Also goes by Wes?
He is best known for being a smart, accurate quarterback at Newman High School. He may make his mark in another sports.
NewOrleans.com Sports has learned that Wes Luquette has committed to play baseball for Paul Maineiri. Luquette is an outstanding hitter and catcher for the Greenies. He is also a superb quarterback.
Some Division One schools have shied away from him because of his height (just over 6’0) but Luquette figures to get a chance to play football at LSU as well. Luquette met with LSU football coach Les Miles about a week ago to discuss that possibility and Miles is a fan of Luquette.
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by UtesFan89 on Jun 10, 2009 4:32 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
OK, the idiot for Arizona just pulled out the old “THE Ohio State University” when announcing their pick. Plus called his own team the “A Z D-Backs.” Just waaaaay to cool for the room. What an a$$!
by Brakeman8 on Jun 10, 2009 4:35 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Kyle Hooper, RHP, high school
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by UtesFan89 on Jun 10, 2009 4:40 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Buccos - Round 28
Pick 835 – Kyle Hooper RHP CA HS
Padres too Vince Belnome from WVU with pick 834
by Brakeman8 on Jun 10, 2009 4:41 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Did Kyle Hooper and Kyle Hoppy really just go back to back?
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by GTrain on Jun 10, 2009 4:41 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Yep they did
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by UtesFan89 on Jun 10, 2009 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
someone from Baltimore must have made an Excel error and drafted Hoppy accidentally after deleting Hooper.
by mak_DC on Jun 10, 2009 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Texas takes a guy from Pittsburgh
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by UtesFan89 on Jun 10, 2009 4:43 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Hooper
Hooper, a 6-foot-4-inch, 190-pound pitcher, is committed to UC Irvine.
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by UtesFan89 on Jun 10, 2009 4:43 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Whoo!
Someone from U of Utah!
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by UtesFan89 on Jun 10, 2009 4:43 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Guy from Houston needs to ease up a little. Geesh. lol
by Brakeman8 on Jun 10, 2009 4:45 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
How many of these guys are they actually going to sign?
I mean geez, how many minor league pitchers can a team absorb? I thought NH wanted to sign 75% of these draftees? If he signs that many I see trouble.
Is Bradenton’s roster going to consist of 17 pitchers and 8 position players (with most of them either catchers or CFs)? Will every pitcher get to pitch three innings every 5 days?
Someone posted on another thread recently that NH never trades for middle IF’s. I know the team drafted and signed a couple SS last year, but they don’t seem to be drafting any IF (except one?) either so far this year.
Does NH think HS and college IF’s all suck? Or is it just this year?
by WstCstBucco on Jun 10, 2009 4:48 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
You need to draft to the strength of the player pool.
That’s the reason this is being done. They felt it was deep in pitching, draft a lot of pitchers, sign as many as possible and financially feasible, then let them play/develop and there are bound to be some useful players in there.
by hisjazziness on Jun 10, 2009 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
But play/develop where?
NH has drafted 3 teams worth of pitchers already today. That’s a complete staff for Bradenton, State College and the Power of WV. Even if only 75% of draftees are signed, NH will have 3-4 teams worth of pitchers by the end of the day.
Who are they going to play with — will other teams loan PBC infielders and outfielders to fill up a team? And does this mean everyone who pitched last year at Bradenton or State College will be released?
I think this means that NH actually intends on signing only a few of these pitchers — 10 to 20, max.
by WstCstBucco on Jun 10, 2009 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Whoops
“end of the day” = “end of the draft”
Mea culpa.
by WstCstBucco on Jun 10, 2009 5:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes exactly.
Draft 30, ascertain $ demands, pick the 20 most reasonable in relation to talent, sign 15 or so.
by hisjazziness on Jun 10, 2009 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hooper
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Kyle Hooper (Saugus) FB: 85-89; CB: 71-73; CH: 79
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by UtesFan89 on Jun 10, 2009 4:49 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Buccos - Round 29
Pick 865 – Michael Heller, RHP HS Fla.
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michael heller
RHP
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by UtesFan89 on Jun 10, 2009 4:50 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Wow, they just keep coming.
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PG Cross Checker
sees him as a 40th-50th round pick
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by UtesFan89 on Jun 10, 2009 4:52 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Man, another overdraft. The Pirates are soooo cheap.
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by BadMaafala on Jun 10, 2009 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe they got confused and thought this was the end of the third day. lol
by Brakeman8 on Jun 10, 2009 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Heller
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by UtesFan89 on Jun 10, 2009 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Heller pitched a complete game on 4/23 (7 IP), where he threw 126 pitches. Kind of risky there.
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by UtesFan89 on Jun 10, 2009 4:55 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
He's committed to Florida
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by UtesFan89 on Jun 10, 2009 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's a very good prospect.
Throws gas, projectable, some mechanical issues.
He’ll want big, big money though.
by Vlad on Jun 10, 2009 4:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well
money is something the Pirates have
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by UtesFan89 on Jun 10, 2009 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ty Summerland, SS, SE Louisiana U
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Buccos - Round 30 - last one today
Pick 895 – Ty Southerland, SS Southern LA U
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Damn
hit .342 with 8 HRs in 240 ABs
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by UtesFan89 on Jun 10, 2009 5:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's a wrap
Hopefully some people feel a little better after today?
by Slizeezyc on Jun 10, 2009 5:02 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Everyone who is worried about all the pitchers needs to remeber a couple things:
All of them are not going to sign, so if you want say 12 or 15, you want to draft 20 or so.
Also, there are loads of college seniors who can be drafted in the late rounds to fill out th position player spots. Those guys have very little option but to sign.
by Brakeman8 on Jun 10, 2009 5:02 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
buccofans tweet
Heller was ranked 129 by Baseball America, Florida commitment, some reports of 94-95 MPH, hitting 97, might take top 3 rd $ to sign him
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by UtesFan89 on Jun 10, 2009 5:02 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Lets see if the Buccos pony up
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by UtesFan89 on Jun 10, 2009 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, they gave themselves a lot of options as far as who they pony up for. Without an expensive #1, they could sign 20 guys who want $100-200k
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by BadMaafala on Jun 10, 2009 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He looks like...
the best pick so far.
by joegonzo on Jun 10, 2009 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yankees have killed the draft. way to go…. lol
by Brakeman8 on Jun 10, 2009 5:07 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
What do you guys think our draft budget is? Around $10M like last year?
If we assume $3.5M to the top 4 guys (which is around slot IIRC), that leaves $6.5M for all the rest of the draftees. Guys like Rosenberg, Cain, and Heller will all take about $1M apiece, and we took a few more guys who’ll want only a little less than that. I do like the strategy, but I want to wait and see how many of these players we’ll end up signing.
by shayborg on Jun 10, 2009 5:08 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Applause!
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Who are the...
priority guys we need to sign. Sanchez, Pounders, Von Rosenberg, Cain, Heller, Chambers(really like him for some reason), Den Dekker, and Dermody. Anyone else? And it really has been a very good draft.
by joegonzo on Jun 10, 2009 5:14 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Sanchez said he will sign for a bag of balls. Apparently he doesn’t believe NH when NH says Sanchez was the 4th best player in the draft.
by WstCstBucco on Jun 10, 2009 6:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sanchez used wood bats . . .
In the Cape Cod League last summer. .316/.462/.489 in 92 AB.
by biggyv on Jun 10, 2009 6:30 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
How do...
these pitchers compare to our best prep pitcher last year, Quinton Miller?
by joegonzo on Jun 10, 2009 6:31 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
No game thread?
Free your ass and your mind will follow.
by cocktailsfor2 on Jun 10, 2009 7:02 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Free your ass and your mind will follow.
by cocktailsfor2 on Jun 10, 2009 7:13 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
any in are top ten?
say if we signed all are picks, would any of these guys be in are top ten prospects?
by pirates88 on Jun 10, 2009 7:45 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Yea...
Sanchez would be and Zach Von Rosenberg has a decent chance to be also. Them and maybe Cain or Heller are the only ones with a shot at making the top ten/ Remember though, our top ten is much improved over the past few years so it is going to be tougher to crack it.
by joegonzo on Jun 10, 2009 8:53 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Well...
let’s see how serious the Pirates are about putting out money…
To cut to the chase…out of 31 players the Pirates have drafted the first two days…21 are looking for bonuses of MORE than 6 figures. That means $1M or more, folks. And that’s from NH himself.
Reportedly, the Pirates spent about 12 million on amateur and international signings last year. If you figure 2 or 2.5 for Sanchez….that leaves maybe 10 mil for everyone else. To me…doesn’t look like many of those high risk signings are going to occur.
by Thunder on Jun 11, 2009 12:01 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
If even half of them pan out, then the plan works. You starting getting guys who would project as top 3 round guys in the next year or two of the draft now at a discount rate. You not only save money this year, but in years to come. More money ball thinking. You can also bet that some of these 7 figure guys will think long an hard about $500,000 when it is right there in front of them to take. These guys aren’t dumb, if they say they want 1 million to sign, that’s a starting figure to negotiate with. If you really want 1 million you ask for 1.5 or 2. Plus, don’t forget, by the time August 17th gets here it is highly likley that Adam, Jack, Grabow and possibly Freddy will all be off the books. It’s possible we might spend a touch more if that is the case.
by Brakeman8 on Jun 11, 2009 12:10 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
We'll
see how many they actually sign before I start giving the FO attaboys.
by Thunder on Jun 11, 2009 12:12 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
But this is why I kept telling everyone not to get over excited about how many pitchers we were drafting. We are not going to sign all of them, let’;s just hope we are able to land a number of the best ones. I’ll be happy with a smaller number of picks being signed if it means we get higher quality guys.
by Brakeman8 on Jun 11, 2009 12:19 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
clarifying
just to clarify, Huntington stated that 21 of the draftees have asked for 6 figure bonuses, not more than 6 figure bonuses.
by baseballgg24 on Jun 11, 2009 2:55 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That...of course...
depends on which article you read…the one on MLB.com…or the ones in the Pittsburgh area papers. The one I cited was the MLB.com one. I did not have access to any audio other than the Pirates radio broadcast…and the parts I heard did not have NH on, so I can’t vouch for what was said. I didn’t misstate what was in the article I provided the link for.
by Thunder on Jun 11, 2009 5:31 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Interesting
Perotto says "Pirates general manager Neal Huntington said 21 of the 31 players selected have signing bonus demands in excess of $100,000. Conversely, the Pirates drafted only three college seniors, who have no negotiating leverage and almost always sign for bonuses of $5,000 or less."
21 at 100,000 or more is a big difference from 21 at 1 million or more.
by Brakeman8 on Jun 11, 2009 12:54 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
PG is reporting same as Perotto...
so shall we assume that MLB.com is wrong?? Yet, they are ALL supposedly citing NH. Wonder who??
by Thunder on Jun 11, 2009 2:44 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’d guess $100k or more. It sounds like a fairly confusing sentence that has propagated through multiple sources and that was originally supposed to mean more money than $100k, not an order of magnitude more. I’m sure some want 7 figures, but unless I hear someone specifically say “21 draftees want 7 figures” from a news source, I’ll assume it just a game of telephone.
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