Draft Day Three Open Thread
As if it weren't already perfectly clear, Neal Huntington could not care less what you think. Gtrain, in the first of yesterday's two massively informative draft comment threads, joked that Huntington "may have his own version of Moneyball one day called I-Do-What-I-@)#($*ing-Want-Ball." After managing to alienate even hardcore fans like me with a terrible first day of the draft, the Pirates did exactly what they said they would and picked a ridiculous number of high-upside players on the second day. They'll have trouble signing a lot of them, but wow--they went from having a poor draft to a pretty good one, and they did it by making all their best picks on a day that will get far less attention than the day they bombed.
This draft reminds me a little of the 2000 draft, a draft that also lacked upside at the top. After Adrian Gonzalez, who was the first overall pick, there was only one really good major leaguer who came out of the first 25 picks: Chase Utley, who went 15th. (Adam Wainwright, Dustin McGowan and Kelly Johnson went near the end of the round; the Pirates, with their pick, took Sean Burnett 19th.) The Bucs were able to get a lot from the draft, though, because they picked Chris Young, Jose Bautista, Nate McLouth and Ian Snell in the late rounds. Young and McLouth, specifically, were signed to large bonuses to lure them away from Princeton and the University of Michigan, respectively.
This year may turn out to be like the Pirates' 2000 draft. There might be an Utley or two who the Pirates passed on with the fourth overall pick, but there will be lots of busts too. So rather than sign a player in the first round and pay him $7 million, the Bucs drafted Tony Sanchez, who's likely to be far cheaper, and took a ton of potential McLouths and Youngs later.
Huntington explains his thought process:
The draft teaches us many lessons, and one lessons is how ecstatic 19 clubs were from 1998-2006 when they selected a high school pitcher in the first 10 selections in the draft. Of those 19 clubs, only four have seen those high hopes turn into a major league starting pitcher. One other lesson the draft teaches us is that major league players come from all portions of the draft and, often times, the best major leaguer was not taken in the first round. As a result, we went with the player in the first round we believed had the best combination of attributes, and that allowed us to execute a draft strategy to attempt to add the deepest and most talented draft class in Pirates history.
Last year, we committed over $6 million to one player. If Stephen Strasburg or Dustin Ackley had slipped, we would have likely altered our overall approach to the draft and committed greater resources to either of them. Ultimately, we did not believe there was the blue chip in which to invest a very large percentage of our significant resources and, instead, chose to diversify our portfolio in an effort to find the highest possible return.
This does make a lot of sense. If the Pirates ponied up a huge bonus to sign a high school pitcher like Matt Purke, then there's a chance he could turn into the next Josh Beckett. There's also a much better chance he could become the next Mike Stodolka or Matt Wheatland or Mark Phillips or Joe Torres, all high school pitchers who were selected in the first ten picks of the 2000 draft. By signing Sanchez for $2 million or so and spreading the rest of the $5 million or so they would've paid Purke to lots of players, the Pirates are hedging their bets and, in a draft like this that has few sure things, probably increasing the likelihood of getting a good return. They picked about a zillion high school pitchers, including many who will cost a fair amount to sign because they have commitments to college programs.
Anyway, look out for the following players from Day 2 of the Pirates' draft:
6. HS pitcher Zachary von Rosenberg, who goes to Zachary High School in Zachary, Louisiana (and no, I'm not making that up). Here's video. As I noted yesterday, Baseball America ranked Rosenberg the 41st-best draft prospect.
7. HS pitcher Trent Stevenson, one of the top prospects from Arizona. Here's some video.
8. HS pitcher Colton Cain, seen here. Cain was widely seen as a top draft prospect but has a strong commitment to the University of Texas:
But it's Cain's pitching talent that puts him in the elite category of prospects. Last fall, Baseball America rated him 44th among high school prospects and 81st overall.
"For an 18-year-old to have a good arm like that, who's big and strong, that's what everybody is looking for," said one American League scout. "Especially from a lefthander"...
The amount of money offered will determine the direction Cain chooses.
"It's got to be enough to pull me away from Texas," he said, "because I like Texas a lot."
12. Stanford pitcher Jeffrey Inman. Baseball America:
Inman had a late-season shoulder injury and a 2-6, 6.11 record this year that caused teams to have no idea what the real Inman is. He’s had success in the past, helping pitch the Cardinal to Omaha last season while going 7-2, 4.27. On balance, though, Inman has been more about potential than performance since his days as a high-rated prep pitcher in Bakersfield. Maybe this is a spot where the Pirates spend some of the money they saved by drafting Tony Sanchez at No. 4 overall.
16. Florida outfielder Matt den Dekker, seen here:
One AL East area scout said the 6-1, 205-pound centerfielder is a gamer and has good range and moves fluidly and possesses a plus arm. He also pitches for the Gators. He has good power to all fields and is a plus runner.
"He's just a little stiff at the plate," the scout said. "It's like he's almost thinking a little too much up there."
Nonetheless, a plus arm in centerfield should make den Dekker an easy second rounder, if not a late compensation round pick.
Baseball America ranked den Dekker their 94th best draft prospect overall.
29. HS pitcher Michael Heller. PG CrossChecker:
Michael is one of the best two way players in the nation and has signed with the University of Florida. Looking at the number of scouts that have been attending his outings so far this year on the mound, the thought of him ever stepping foot on the Gator campus, is getting smaller and smaller.
Through three starts on the hill this year, Heller has shown more 'pitchablility' then in the past. In his first start, a pre-season game against a strong Mariner High School (Cape Coral, FL) squad, Heller didn't disappoint the more then 40 scouts that were in attendance, as his first pitch was a fastball that registered at 94mph. Through out his three innings he continued to pitch at 93-94 while topping at 97mph. What was more interesting then in the past was that Heller was able to maintain his velocity on all his pitches, including a slider that showed better pace and greater depth.
If you can't get enough, B.U.C.C.O. Fans has a good roundup of Day Two here. Frequent BD commenter UtesFan89 also did a good job here, and John Perrotto here.
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I don't really understand....
why so many people seem to be so negative about the Pirates selection of Tony Sanchez in the 1st round of the MLB Draft?
He is reputed to be an excellent defensive catcher,who throws well,hit .346 with 14 HR’s at Boston College last season,and seems to have a great attitude and work ethic about getting signed and getting started. In addtion,he was an All-Star in the Cape Cod League,which everybody seems to say is a very good predictor of future MLB success.
I’ve read where he needs some work on either hitting or laying off the breaking ball,but that would be true of many young players.
Why so much negative vibe?
by havildar on Jun 11, 2009 9:06 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Negativity:
1) He’s more of a good defender than a great defender.
2) He’s got a slow bat, so he won’t hit for much in the way of BA.
3) He doesn’t project for more than average power.
4) He has a history of conditioning issues, which are a real red flag for a catcher.
Basically, he has a very low upside. If he maxes out his ability, he’ll be a decent starter, but there’s almost no chance that he’ll ever be a star, and stars are exponentially more valuable than decent starters for teams in our position.
by Vlad on Jun 11, 2009 9:51 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Vlad
How do you feel about day 2 of the draft? I know you said yesterday that basically nothing they could do could salvage the draft for you, but do you feel any different today?
by Dignan on Jun 11, 2009 9:54 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Depends on which of these guys they sign.
If they’re able to lock down Von Rosenberg, Stevenson, and Heller, along with a reasonable percentage of the other draftees, I could maybe get them up to a B-. I really can’t go much higher in good conscience because Sanchez is such a wasted pick, even if you’re choosing a signability guy.
Von Rosenberg is the real key here. He’s head and shoulders above any of the other guys they drafted (Sanchez included). If they don’t get him to sign, it’s a big loss.
by Vlad on Jun 11, 2009 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Quoting from Hardball Times article "Abolish the minor leagues":
“Looking at the history of the draft going back to 1978, Matt Swartz has found that only 51 percent of players drafted in the first two rounds ever make the major leagues at all, even for a September cup of coffee. (And those figures have been steadily on the decline for years.)”
Just sayin’ there’s only a 50-50 chance no matter who we take at No. 4.
by bucdaddy on Jun 11, 2009 9:59 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That doesn't follow from what you wrote.
by WestCoastBuc on Jun 11, 2009 10:07 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Did you check tweeting the draft???
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by GTrain on Jun 11, 2009 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The track record of all players chosen
in the top 2 rounds of past drafts is not necessarily a good indication of the success of a player chosen with the 4th pick. The track record of players picked in, say, the top 10 could be a lot different than that of those chosen in the top two rounds.
by WestCoastBuc on Jun 11, 2009 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not quite Bucdaddy
The article looks at the first two rounds, not top five picks. The success rate is much higher there.
As others have said, the strategy was creative. Day two was wonderful (if they sign at least half of them). But the Pirates could have gotten more upside players on day one for only slightly more money.
Example: Bobby Borchering. See what he signs for versus Sanchez. I doubt it’s much more. I know he has some critics as well but still think he would have been a much better pick. Another potential power bat in the system.
The catchers the Pirates chose in the later rounds may prove to be just as good as Sanchez. That’s the problem I and others have. It didn’t have to be an either/or. The Pirates could have drafted well both days.
by Bernie6666 on Jun 11, 2009 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have heard...
he projects to hit anywhere from 15 to 25 homers a year. If he hits somewhere around 270 with 20 homers and good defense, he should be considered a very good catcher.
by joegonzo on Jun 11, 2009 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think 10-15 is more reasonable.
Maybe a peak season where he breaks 20, but not as a regular thing.
While we’re at it, .270 is pretty optimistic, too.
by Vlad on Jun 11, 2009 8:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just wanted to clarify that I meant that as a positive “I dont care what the fans say or other baseball may think, I’m doing what I think is the right call” kinda way, but thanks for the love. That was awesome.
Also MLB.com has a breakdown of the Pirates’ draft here:
http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20090610&content_id=5249008&vkey=news_mlb&fext=.jsp&c_id=mlb&partnerId=rss_mlbrtnerId=rss_mlb
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by GTrain on Jun 11, 2009 9:54 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, that was clear to me. I didn’t take you to mean you were criticizing Huntington.
by Charlie on Jun 11, 2009 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Matt Den Decker=Mark Kotsay?
The year Kotsay was drafted I remember the Pirates bypassed him and I was disappointed because we were going through a stretch of crappy CFs after Van Slyke left.
by patthatt on Jun 11, 2009 9:59 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I kinda like this strategy of stockpiling center fielders, as they can always move to corners. We traded Nate, promoted Cutch, have Gorkys and Tabata at double A and drafted Den Dekker and Chambers. The best ones will stay in center and have tons of value and the others can move to corners down the road.
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by GTrain on Jun 11, 2009 10:03 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nitpicking
“Young and McLouth, specifically, were signed to large bonuses to lure them away from the University of Michigan and Princeton, respectively.”
The schools are in the wrong order.
by patthatt on Jun 11, 2009 10:00 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
And I thought Young went to Princeton, no?
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by GTrain on Jun 11, 2009 10:05 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Also, I had no idea that Coonelly was responsible for the slot system
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by GTrain on Jun 11, 2009 10:17 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Thanks for the link!
Day 3… when does it start?
From Dejan’s Q&A…
DK, it is very obvious that the Pirates’ front office cares very little about the opinions of the fans or the team as it relates to franchise building.
I’m still trying to figure out why people think the guys getting paid to build a CONSISTENT winner would listen to the fan-base… a fan-base full of people who just want to see a winning season (future be #*@$#@).
Do I complain if they make a move I’m not a fan of? Yeah. (Plus, I’m slightly pessimistic and assume the worst before I actually sit and think about it.)
Do I expect they’ll listen and change their minds? No. (If they do, then that could be 1 bad team.)
That said, day 2 of this draft proved that they do in fact have a plan… and they’re getting the high-upside players in later rounds that everyone wanted them to overspend for in the 1st round.
Re: McLouth & the top prospects in the Braves organization. They weren’t willing to give them up for Jake Peavy… why would they give them up for McLouth? And as it stands, the Buccos did get 3 of the 4 prospects that the Padres had wanted (the other guy they wanted was Yunel Escobar). Not exactly a disappointing haul. Very few teams are going to give up their top prospects… and probably only if you offer Albert Pujols or something.
Anyhow, sorry about this rant or whatever it is.
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by UtesFan89 on Jun 11, 2009 10:33 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Day 3
Starts at 11:30am eastern time, according to MLB.com. Looking forward to it, although maybe today we’ll see more organizational player types since they’re going to need to draft some position players to fill out rosters after going so pitching heavy yesterday.
by Dignan on Jun 11, 2009 10:36 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
I’d imagine it ends up that way. Corner infielders maybe? They’ve stocked up on pitching & catching, added a couple outfielders and even taken a middle infielder or 2.
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by UtesFan89 on Jun 11, 2009 10:40 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If they’re taking corner infielders, I’d like so see some mashers. I realize the odds of getting a Pujols in 30 are rare, but just some big dudes who can put it over the fence. maybe well get lucky
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by GTrain on Jun 11, 2009 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yep
Find one of those guys, and the number of “mashers” in our system doubles.
(Okay, not really… but close.)
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by UtesFan89 on Jun 11, 2009 10:53 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well...
As someone who worked in public relations for a while, you need to at least appear to care.
If you alienate a key public, and the fans are an important one, that’s not good.
The Bucs must do a better job of explaining their moves and at least seem to be listening to the fan base.
You can’t be setting a record for consecutive losing seasons and be saying to the fans, You are idiots. Even if some are.
Overall, I think NH an FC have done a great job. But they do need to work on their PR skils.
by Bernie6666 on Jun 11, 2009 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think the Pirates have actually been pretty diplomatic and explained their moves extremely well. The real PR problem is the lack of trust fans have in the management. NH has done a good job of showing he has a plan, and following through with it, which will hopefully build trust over time. He’s already won over a lot of people around here.
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by BadMaafala on Jun 11, 2009 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just a difference of opinion
I don’t think the PR efforts are strong at all. I think most PR professionals would give them an F.
You see fans don’t trust management for two key reasons. In my opinion, both are valid. The first is that Nuttings’ hands are not completely clean on the old regime and the cheapness.
Second, look at how Nutting runs his newspaper businesses. I just got an e-mail from a colleague. This reporter works at a Nutting paper (and the mall) to pay bills. Everything is done on the cheap. Look up how Ogden newspapers are evaluated.
I agree with you on NH. I think he’s pretty straight forward. But you can’t lose that much and then act like fans are ignorant blowhard. Even though a lot of them are.
by Bernie6666 on Jun 11, 2009 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Game-wise
whoever wanted to see Young instead of Moss in RF got their wish.
Whoever wanted to see NyjMo moving down in the order or NyjMo &/or Mario getting some rest… they did not.
(Re: Mario… according to Yahoo!, he’s reached base safely in 20 of the last 23 games)
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by UtesFan89 on Jun 11, 2009 10:54 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Guilty
Actually, I’d only want Moss to sit like JR sat Luigi in April — to give Moss a little perspective on the game and then plug him back into the regular lineup.
Re re Mario: I ain’t looking for a clean-up hitter to “reach base safely.” I’m looking for a little slugging, and someone pointed out here that Mario has 1 HR (against the AAAA Nats) in almost a whole month.
And Ny/Mo — I’d like to see him get his rest on the bus to Indianapolis. Thunder has conclusively proven that he’s just riding the coat tails of his first 9 games of the season.
But it is nice to see Robinzone get a start, even if it takes a day game after a night game to get him in the lineup.
Now, back to Topic. How many more strong armed HS P who have already committed to college does NH plan to draft today? Is there an over-under number? NH apparently has no respect for higher education. :)
by WstCstBucco on Jun 11, 2009 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I actually looked at Mario in my game preview post thing...
Mario continues to bat clean-up. Just a fact… he hasn’t gone yard since May 21 (against Washington). And before that… May 12. In fact, after starting the season with 3 HRs in 6 games, he’s dropped off dramatically. 10 games before his 4th & 5th homers (2 HR game against the Padres). 13 games after that until his 6th homer. 9 more games after that until his 7th homer. And today will be game 17 since his last homer. When he’s the "home run threat" on the team (by default, since everyone else is relatively light-hitting… or injured, in Doumit’s case), something is really wrong. He’s currently on pace for 19 homers… which would be disappointing.
On topic… I’m not expecting many more… we’ll see though.
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by UtesFan89 on Jun 11, 2009 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Aaah, that's the post!
Thanks.
Those ain’t the stats of a clean-up hitter. Those are the stats of a no. 8 hitter.
I’d like to see how Hinske does hitting 4th on a regular basis. Or even Pearce.
by WstCstBucco on Jun 11, 2009 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Reaching base safely...
…is the single most important thing a hitter can do.
by Vlad on Jun 11, 2009 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No doubt
but it seems to me that Adam LaRoche’s offensive performance in his last 23 games have been a monument to suckitude.
Do you disagree?
by WstCstBucco on Jun 11, 2009 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
When I think "monument to suckitude"...
…I think more along the lines of David Ortiz’s 2009.
Quick scan of LaRoche’s last 23 yields 81 AB, 21 H, 9 2B, 1 HR, 19 BB, 19 K. The game log I’m using doesn’t have sacs or HBP, so this will be quick and dirty: .260 BA, .400 OBP, .407 SLG.
If you think that a .800+ OPS is a “monument to suckitude”, your suck detector is out of whack.
by Vlad on Jun 11, 2009 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
From Twitter...
SI_JonHeymanheard No. 2 overall pick dustin ackley, the top college hitter, wants teixeira money. thats $9.5 mil. #mariners
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by UtesFan89 on Jun 11, 2009 10:55 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
There should be a space
between Heyman and heard
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by UtesFan89 on Jun 11, 2009 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just like the space between what Ackley wants and what They’ll give him.
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by GTrain on Jun 11, 2009 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I suspect you will see a lot of college seniors selected today. They are easier to sign because they have no options if they want to continue to play. Also if they have played 4-years of college ball and produced well, they should be able to fill a roster spot in the low minors.
by Brakeman8 on Jun 11, 2009 11:23 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Hopefully there are some with potential left.
by WstCstBucco on Jun 11, 2009 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Time for day 3 of the draft
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by UtesFan89 on Jun 11, 2009 11:31 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
RF
John Taylor, high school
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by UtesFan89 on Jun 11, 2009 11:32 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Zachary (John) Taylor
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by UtesFan89 on Jun 11, 2009 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
committed to Georgia
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by UtesFan89 on Jun 11, 2009 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
3 or 4 years from now we can have the killer Zzzzzzs rotation! lol
by Brakeman8 on Jun 11, 2009 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
One of these guys has to be the next Greinke.
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by BadMaafala on Jun 11, 2009 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Alright, another Zach/Zack
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by BadMaafala on Jun 11, 2009 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
6'3, 215
hit .444 last year and drove in 32 runs
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by UtesFan89 on Jun 11, 2009 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Haha, I didn’t even notice it was an OF. Just assumed it was another pitcher.
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by BadMaafala on Jun 11, 2009 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
One last point about fan reaction
It amazes me that people are upset about the McLouth deal. This is exactly the kind of thing we have been asking for….for about the last 16 years. Sell high, get good prospects, have a plan and stick to it. Neil, Frank and co. are doing exactly what eveyone wanted David Littlefield to do….and never did. The goal is not .500 baseball. The goal is to build a competitive team and overall organization. The casual fan does not seem to understand this and also seems to have little insight into how the draft or minor league system works. The value of the Tony Sanchez pick really has less to do with how Sanchez performs and more to do with how the overall draft class turns out. If we sign a number of these day 2 selections (guys who could be top 3 round picks as early as next year or two years from now) at a discount price…we win. It’s a brilliant plan….if it works. Sure it’s a gamble, but this is the kind of gamble a team like the Pirates has to take. I’m sure Oakland fans hated to see Mark McGwire and Jose Canseco and all those solid pitchers they once had all leave that team via trade or free agency, but the A’s had a plan, stuck to it and have continue to be a mostly competitive team ever since. You have to be creative to compete with the big boys in MLB. It’s OK to love guys like Nate, Jack, Freddy, etc….I do, but you have to understand that they are not going to be part of the future of this team which started with the drafting of Pedro Alvarez (and the rest of that solid draft class last year) and took a giant step forward with the Nate trade and promotion of Andrew McCutchen. When was the last time the Pirates traded a player and had a player as good (and likely better) waiting at AAA to take his place? That is what Neil, Frank and co. are shooting for. It’s what we need and what everyone should want. Count me squarley behind this movement.
by Brakeman8 on Jun 11, 2009 11:36 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
The average fan feels that the MLer for prospects cycle will go on forever because the Pirates are too cheap to keep any talent. McCutchen will be gone the minute he demands more money, they say. I certainly understand this reaction from fans that have been burned one too many times, even if I don’t agree with the sentiment and support the new FO.
by ddff22 on Jun 11, 2009 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
LHP
Niko Spezial, HS
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by UtesFan89 on Jun 11, 2009 11:41 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
...
Spezial has a good pitchers body and used a Hi 3/4 arm angle to pitch in the upper 80’s at the Metrodome. He has deception in his delivery and got a lot of swings and misses. He works both sides of the plate and his fastball showed some life. He also threw a curveball and a change up with sink. He showed good pitching ability and poise. This big lefty has a chance to become a very good pitcher at the highest levels
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by UtesFan89 on Jun 11, 2009 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
BA's list of best available:
Link.
One of the guys on there, Jason Haniger, was one of our unsigned draftees from the first day last year. He’s a catcher from Georgia Tech – solid bat, weak arm.
by Vlad on Jun 11, 2009 11:44 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Draft tracker link:
In case you lost it: http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/events/draft/y2009/draftcaster.jsp
by Vlad on Jun 11, 2009 11:44 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Spezial
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by UtesFan89 on Jun 11, 2009 11:45 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
LF
Patrick Irvine, college player
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by UtesFan89 on Jun 11, 2009 11:50 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Elon University
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by UtesFan89 on Jun 11, 2009 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He hit
.198 last season in 106 at-bats
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by UtesFan89 on Jun 11, 2009 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Or not
reading different things at different sites
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by UtesFan89 on Jun 11, 2009 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That’s pretty bad, even for an organizational player.
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by BadMaafala on Jun 11, 2009 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Irvine
BA says he hit .402 in the spring, and hes ranked as the number 36 prospect in North Carolina in what BA considers to be a fantastic year talent wise for the state.
by baseballgg24 on Jun 11, 2009 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
that .198 seems off. No idea what’s up with that.
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by UtesFan89 on Jun 11, 2009 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
#1015-
redraft
LHP Zachary Fuser, Walter State CC
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by UtesFan89 on Jun 11, 2009 11:58 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
reliever
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by UtesFan89 on Jun 11, 2009 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
2 very good starters ahead of him
or he would have started more. Great move for lefty. good stuff
by buccoben on Jun 11, 2009 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe
the team listed him as a reliever when they drafted him though (whatever that means)
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by UtesFan89 on Jun 11, 2009 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
#1045
RHP Christopher McKenzie, San Jacinto College
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by UtesFan89 on Jun 11, 2009 12:07 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Kerrigan has done a great job turning around Zach Duke
therefore we will draft every Zac, Zach, Zachry, or Zachary, that is available…
by God Loves on Jun 11, 2009 12:12 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Seems like what they're doing
or maybe all good pitchers are named Zach (or some variation of that)?
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by UtesFan89 on Jun 11, 2009 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Zach Morris was a guest on Jimmy Kimmel this week.
He’d make a great front office guy for the PBC. :)
(And he still has his old cell phone — the one that weighs 3 pounds>)
by WstCstBucco on Jun 11, 2009 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's a very projectable name
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by GTrain on Jun 11, 2009 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
#1075-
RHP Robert Duran, CC
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by UtesFan89 on Jun 11, 2009 12:16 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Doran
not duran
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by UtesFan89 on Jun 11, 2009 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If I'm reading this right...
10 games, 92 IP. WTF?
http://www.njcaa.org/colleges_college_stats.cfm?sid=7&collegeid=1340&category=Stats&slid=3
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by UtesFan89 on Jun 11, 2009 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
must be a mistake
he went 10-3 in those 10 games
by dirtyfrank on Jun 11, 2009 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Doran
I played agaisnt him in High School 2 years ago. HUGE kid, threw like mid 80’s back then but it looks like he’s filled out alot as he’s listed at 225 now. He’s a decent athlete as he was also one of his teams better hitters and played 1st a good bit. BA has him as 17th best player from Kansas, so I guess that’s pretty solid this late in the draft. Another big bodied pitcher.
by baseballgg24 on Jun 11, 2009 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Huh. Cool. Thanks for the first-person info.
by Charlie on Jun 11, 2009 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
committed to
Texas Tech now
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by UtesFan89 on Jun 11, 2009 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
PBC will have to budget for increase food costs…
by God Loves on Jun 11, 2009 12:23 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
1105
RHP Zachary Nuding, Weatherford college (reliever)
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by UtesFan89 on Jun 11, 2009 12:25 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Zachary Nuding
They HAVE to be doing this on purpose.
by Dignan on Jun 11, 2009 12:25 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Yeah it is.
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by UtesFan89 on Jun 11, 2009 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Vlad...
I still think that a kid like Sanchez,who seems to have gotten his head straight about his conditioning,has a good attitude,is at least a good defender(already),and showed something in a prestigous wood-bat league,may surprise some doubters and become a very good player.
by havildar on Jun 11, 2009 12:27 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
My question on the conditioning...
…is whether he’ll keep his head straight. Nobody more prone to falling off the wagon than an ex-fat guy.
And catchers who can field are a dime a dozen. The bat is what makes or breaks them as prospects.
by Vlad on Jun 11, 2009 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Buccofan tweet
Round 37, Pirates take Zach Nuding, RHP. I’m setting the O/U at 50 for how many porn sites come up when I Google his name.
lol
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by UtesFan89 on Jun 11, 2009 12:29 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Surprised that the Yankees...
…didn’t put a Milo on their last pick.
by Vlad on Jun 11, 2009 12:32 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Yay, Chris Manno went.
My alma mater’s representing today.
by Vlad on Jun 11, 2009 12:33 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
3 Jacob Lamb, high school
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by UtesFan89 on Jun 11, 2009 12:34 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
What?
Are they out of Zach’s already?
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by UtesFan89 on Jun 11, 2009 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Some upside offensively with a strong lefthanded swing. Good arm strength. Likely have to move off the middle infield at the next level. Some scouts wonder if he can catch. Signed at Univ. of Washington.
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by UtesFan89 on Jun 11, 2009 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
BA
At 6-feet-3, 190 pounds, Lamb is a physically strong athlete that caught my eye during infield/outfield practice before his game today. He showed an above-average arm at the short stop position—possibly the best arm of all the position players on his team—and smooth actions. Then, at the plate, he hits from the left side and has bat speed and power potential in his stroke. The question is whether Lamb will be able to stay at the shortstop position throughout the next level of baseball. If he fills out anymore, he may outgrow the position, and he already is not a good runner as he ran the 60-yard dash in 7.28 seconds.
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by UtesFan89 on Jun 11, 2009 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
A very high school draft
Interesting that while there have been a lot of teams concentrating on college picks this year, the Pirates are going very heavily high school. I like it.
by Dignan on Jun 11, 2009 12:37 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Curious
why do they have to list a position for the players?
("We’d like him listed as a… )
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by UtesFan89 on Jun 11, 2009 12:40 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
They don't have to do it.
It’s just done as a courtesy for observers, when there’s more than one position a kid could end up playing.
by Vlad on Jun 11, 2009 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ah, okay
that’s nice of them.
I’d be so lost otherwise
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by UtesFan89 on Jun 11, 2009 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
#1165-
RHP Keifer Nuncio, high school
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by UtesFan89 on Jun 11, 2009 12:43 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
One of BA's
best remaining
http://www.baseballamerica.com/blog/draft/?p=1212#more-1212
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by UtesFan89 on Jun 11, 2009 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nice pick this late
Nuncio has been pitching in the power department since his freshman year at Katy and features a variety of off-speed pitches to go with his 92 mph fastball. An added feature of Keifer’s game is his power bat which he has displayed emphatically during the scrimmage season. Signed to play at UT in 2010, Nuncio is sure to become another in a long list of top shelf power pitchers for the Longhorns.
http://www.eteamz.com/5abaseball/news/index.cfm?id=4559794&cat=0
by woobie on Jun 11, 2009 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Committed to Texas
we’re attacking Texas.
Cain, Urban & now Nuncio
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by UtesFan89 on Jun 11, 2009 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nuncio
may want 1st round money
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by UtesFan89 on Jun 11, 2009 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
BA
Keifer Nuncio has command of four pitches and an upside that makes him desirable to the University of Texas and some pro scouts
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by UtesFan89 on Jun 11, 2009 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
girls at UT Austin are worth foregoing
anything less
by buccoben on Jun 11, 2009 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Any chance the game of a thousand pitches may make that big check just a litttttle more appealing to UT commit pitchers?
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by GTrain on Jun 11, 2009 5:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Another reason to dislike the brewers
using a 12 yr old to announce picks
by numeroocho on Jun 11, 2009 12:43 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Dodgers
Pick Hander…Played against him, he has a good fastball but other than that he wasn’t very good, don’t know how he got drafted
by numeroocho on Jun 11, 2009 12:48 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
LHP
Brett Lee, high school
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by UtesFan89 on Jun 11, 2009 12:52 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
yep
West Florida HS of advanced technology
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by UtesFan89 on Jun 11, 2009 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
nother up in coming pitcher in state this year is West Florida’s left hander, Brett Lee. The 6’4", 180 lb. junior from Pensacola is coming off a solid sophomore campaign, where he threw 39 innings, had an ERA of 1.41, punched out 50 and only walked 11.
He features a fastball (89-92), change up, curve and slider. He lists his fastball as his best pitch. His personal goals are: to become a professional baseball player, and lead his team to win the state championship this season. Brett’s greatest accomplishment is throwing a no hitter in a district game. In his spare time, he enjoys playing basketball, music and going to the movies.
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by UtesFan89 on Jun 11, 2009 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
committed
to florida state
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by UtesFan89 on Jun 11, 2009 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
“Lee likely will be chosen Wednesday, before the 30th round, and said how much his initial contract was worth would be key in determining whether he went pro or to Tallahassee.”
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by UtesFan89 on Jun 11, 2009 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The son of Mohammed Ali
just went to the Angels?!
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by UtesFan89 on Jun 11, 2009 1:01 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Sure, why not.
The Red Sox picked Yaz’s grandson a few rounds back.
by Vlad on Jun 11, 2009 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow, what a crazy draft
Are we gonna have enough position players to fill out a full team at GCL and State college?
by houksyndrome on Jun 11, 2009 1:16 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
#1225-
Tyler Cannon, SS, U. Virginia
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by UtesFan89 on Jun 11, 2009 1:17 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
1255
RHP Marc Baca, UNLV
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by UtesFan89 on Jun 11, 2009 1:26 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
College senior and mediocre reliever. 33.1 IP, 17 BB, 22 K, 4.05 ERA. It looks like they play in a very hitter-oriented stadium or conference, though, since that ERA is the best on the team by far.
by shayborg on Jun 11, 2009 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
#1285
RHP Edward Fallon, U. of South Carolina Upstate
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by UtesFan89 on Jun 11, 2009 1:36 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Looks like a project. He’s still a junior, but he’s almost 23 so he must have gotten held back at some point. Stat line (mostly as a reliever) is 41 BB/38 K in 34 IP with a 9.26 ERA.
by shayborg on Jun 11, 2009 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
1315
LHP Dexter Bobo, Georgia Southern
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by UtesFan89 on Jun 11, 2009 1:46 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Another reliever who’s struggled this year. 34.1 IP, 19 BB, 32 K, 7 HR. 6.55 ERA. Transferred from Darton College before this past season, where he was a little better.
by shayborg on Jun 11, 2009 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Great work, Utes Fan,
for staying on top of everything.
by patthatt on Jun 11, 2009 1:49 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Thank you
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#1345-
LHP Kevin Gelinas, Central Arizona College
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by UtesFan89 on Jun 11, 2009 1:57 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Solid pick
One of BA’s best two available from Arizona.
by woobie on Jun 11, 2009 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yep
just beat me to it
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by UtesFan89 on Jun 11, 2009 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Guy must play in a pitcher’s paradise. 53 IP, 26 BB, 79 K, 1.68 ERA — but 7th on his team in that last category.
by shayborg on Jun 11, 2009 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
BA's
- JUCO prospect for 2009
Perhaps the top power arm in the juco ranks in 2009 belongs to LHP Kevin Gelinas, who transferred to Central Arizona from Pepperdine. Gelinas pitched just four innings for the Waves last season but followed up with a strong summer for Conejo in the California Collegiate League, throwing in the low 90s and showing a power arm to go with his imposing 6-foot-5, 235-pound frame.
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by UtesFan89 on Jun 11, 2009 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
One of BA's
best remaining
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by UtesFan89 on Jun 11, 2009 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
#1375
RHP Parker Bangs, U. South Carolina- Columbia
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by UtesFan89 on Jun 11, 2009 2:06 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Draft-eligible sophomore reliever. Lots of strikeouts, lots of walks, 5.88 ERA.
by shayborg on Jun 11, 2009 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Buccofans tweet
Brooks Pounders, Zach Nuding, and Parker Bangs could make the ultimate porn name rotation. Too bad we missed out on Jordan Flasher.
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lol
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by UtesFan89 on Jun 11, 2009 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
LHP
Justin Earls, Georgia
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by UtesFan89 on Jun 11, 2009 2:16 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
They must like the arm … had an ERA over seven this year.
by woobie on Jun 11, 2009 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Zachary Dygert, C...
just went to the Nats.
If only he was a pitcher
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by UtesFan89 on Jun 11, 2009 2:24 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
LF
Blake Brown, Normal West HS
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by UtesFan89 on Jun 11, 2009 2:25 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
committed
to Mizzou
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by UtesFan89 on Jun 11, 2009 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What round are we on?
charity standing orders
by BadMaafala on Jun 11, 2009 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
that was #48
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by UtesFan89 on Jun 11, 2009 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yankees take Pat White
almost listed him as a QB
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by UtesFan89 on Jun 11, 2009 2:31 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
RHP
Yasser Clor, UC Berkeley, redraft
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by UtesFan89 on Jun 11, 2009 2:34 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Rockies take...
…Jim Tracy’s other son.
God, do I ever not miss him.
by Vlad on Jun 11, 2009 2:36 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
LHP
Matthew Taylor, high school
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by UtesFan89 on Jun 11, 2009 2:43 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
And that's it for the Buccos
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by UtesFan89 on Jun 11, 2009 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
BA
- guy left from Georgia
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Committed to 'Bama
and that should read number 2 guy left from Georgia
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by UtesFan89 on Jun 11, 2009 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
With the last pick
we take another high school pitcher..good summary for the overall draft
by numeroocho on Jun 11, 2009 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Vlad...
Funny comment about the ex-fat guy :) Guess we’ll see about the stick…
by havildar on Jun 11, 2009 3:26 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
34 pitchers, 5 Zach(k)’s , and about a dozen funny names.
I think my favorites is Zach Taylor, who I like to imagine as a combination of Zachary Ty Bryan and Jonathan Taylor Thomas from Home Improvement.
Niko Spezial is also pretty awesome.
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