Oh, yeah, about that Nate shrine...
From the Trib, via Rum Bunter and BTF :
Relievers Sean Burnett and Jesse Chavez are fuming over how they've been portrayed by ESPN and other media for supposedly setting up a candle and "shrine" to Nate McLouth .
"It's ridiculous. Blown way out of proportion," Burnett said. "I'm waiting for an apology."
Chavez said the candle was set up two weeks before McLouth was traded as a running joke about the players' daily card game of Pluck. As long as Chavez and Burnett kept winning, the candle stayed lit at their lockers.
"It had nothing to do with the trade," Chavez said. "It's a friendly thing we had going on, an inside joke."
Neither player was disciplined by the team and the candle and Pluck scoreboard remain at their lockers.
I'm sure I wasn't the only one who had an unpleasant flashback to the Meares shrine of ages past , so it's good to know that the players are handling the trade better than the media would have you believe. I guess I shouldn't really be surprised - when was the last time ESPN got something right about the Pirates? Sean may not want to hold his breath waiting for that apology. They'll just ignore him until he expires, then report that he committed suicide to protest the deal.
[In case you're curious, Pluck is a four-player card game kind of like Spades or Hearts.]
Image source (courtesy of hoyasmeg )
(Note by Charlie: Actually, I think the Post-Gazette was the first to report this. The ESPN report was a mishmash of stuff from the Post-Gazette and the Associated Press. I think Bucs Dugout and a couple of other blogs were the only publications that used the word "shrine." I think that word was an entirely accurate description of the events as they were presented by the Post-Gazette and by ESPN. The candle-lighting scene was the lede in a Post-Gazette story about "clubhouse backlash" to the trade, and it described a lit candle, along with McLouth's uniform number and picture. To me, that's a shrine. If the "shrine" wasn't related to any "clubhouse backlash," the Post-Gazette got the story totally wrong. Of course, all this assumes the Trib report is accurate. The idea that lighting a candle next to McLouth's uniform number and picture within hours of McLouth being traded continued to be a "joke" sounds strange to me. After thinking about this for a while, I believe the Post-Gazette's original report and not this little bullet point from the Trib. Dejan Kovacevic of the Post-Gazette isn't prone to completely flubbing stories like this.)
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I’m actually surprised somebody from ESPN went into the Pirates’ locker room. They must have felt as out-of-place as Mike Tyson at the opera.
by WTM on Jun 15, 2009 11:32 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Wilbur
Any thoughts on the draft? I know you are probably busy. Just wonderin’.
by hisjazziness on Jun 15, 2009 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Still collecting my thoughts and trying to get my site updated.
Not only did they go for a whole lot of above-slot guys and way more HS guys than we’ve seen in ages, they also went heavily for high-ceiling players who are very raw. Stevenson, Schoenfeld and Den Dekker, and others. BA rates Stevenson #197 overall, for example, but if he develops the way the scouts hope he’ll be way better than that. They’re going very hard after upside, which DL and Creech wouldn’t do at all. Most of these guys will tank, but if and when they hit on one they’ll have somebody like Curtis Granderson or Joel Zumaya.
by WTM on Jun 15, 2009 7:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I kind of envisioned it as one of those nature programs:
Buster Olney: Here we are underground in the locker room at PNC park, hoping to find some black-and-gold ballplayers. Crikey, look at the size of this one! He’s a real beauty!
Adam LaRoche: Seriously, dude, WTF?
Buster Olney: Oops, he’s spotted me! Not to worry, though, if you rub them briskly about the neck they go into a trance and forget all about fighting.
Adam LaRoche: Mmm. Paralyzed… by… relaxation.
[Five hours pass.]
Buster Olney: So after every loss, you turn on and devour the weakest infielder, to make his strength your own?
Adam LaRoche: Whatever you say, magic hands.
by Vlad on Jun 15, 2009 11:52 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Mooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooom!
Vlad made me snork all over my keyboard!
Tell him to do it again.
by bucdaddy on Jun 15, 2009 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
BD = "other media"?
by azibuck on Jun 15, 2009 11:54 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Not sure we qualify as "media", there.
We weren’t doing primary reporting – we were citing (with attribution) and commenting on a printed report in a media source.
by Vlad on Jun 15, 2009 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Are you serious?
It says “ESPN and other media”. I put a question mark in my subject line, and referenced a thread here, where a number of people besides Chet Lampwick and myself took the shrine issue waaay too seriously. I thought it was the reference to the thread was apropos and simply used wording in the quote to relate it, as if(. … the Trib, or Burnett and Chavez, meant BD.)
It wasn’t a joke per se, more like a wink, except I don’t use emoticons. But thanks for the heart attack serious reply.
by azibuck on Jun 15, 2009 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t think the world revolves around me or anything, but it could well be referring to BD. I described it as a “shrine,” and so did Mondesi’s House. I’m not sure any larger publications did.
by Charlie on Jun 15, 2009 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Anytime.
You need someone to miss the joke? I’m your man.
by Vlad on Jun 15, 2009 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
A Priest, a Rabbi and a Minister walk into a bar...
Free your ass and your mind will follow.
by cocktailsfor2 on Jun 16, 2009 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just for my own ego. . .
From the above link:
Charlie, I think you make all valid points except for the criticism of the "shrine" which others noted. Seems more like a joke to me than anything else. I remember back in the day Josh Miller and Mike Schnek (Steelers punter and long-snapper respectively) built a shrine to Kris Brown in the locker room in the hopes that he’d someday make a field goal.
: )
I made most of my life decisions at a Foghat concert... I stand by them.
by Chester J Lampwick on Jun 15, 2009 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, good call. I’m not sure how you got that from the information that was available at the time, but you nailed it. I’ll take the hit for the word “shrine,” but in my defense, the reports from which I got my information were, if the Trib is correct, really, really misleading.
by Charlie on Jun 15, 2009 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I just gave Sean Burnett a call and asked what the deal was. . .
I did think that the “shrine” was an actual shrine so I got it partially wrong. I just thought it was tongue-in-cheek as it seems like something guys in locker rooms would do. On my high school wresting team, one of my assistant coaches took the season off so we made one of those card board cut outs of him and carried it around with us, figure the same sort of mentality was going on.
I made most of my life decisions at a Foghat concert... I stand by them.
by Chester J Lampwick on Jun 15, 2009 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t think you’d do that the day after he revealed he’d be leaving the team, though. If this had happened in the Pirates’ clubhouse, say, next April, it might be different.
by Charlie on Jun 15, 2009 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I disagree with that but since it wasn’t a shrine anyways, I guess we don’t have to get into this debate.
I made most of my life decisions at a Foghat concert... I stand by them.
by Chester J Lampwick on Jun 15, 2009 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
(emphasis on “if the Trib is correct” here)
by Charlie on Jun 15, 2009 7:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't call it a shrine.
Call it a grotto. Fill it with figurines like the Honus Wagner collectible, and then the players can pray to the ghosts of Pirates past for divine intervention to prevent another losing season.
by patthatt on Jun 15, 2009 2:14 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
IIRC…management had a very dim view of the display and said as much in the press. In fact, did not NH or FC have something rather negative to say about it??
I can’t imagine that the coaching staff…at a minimum…didn’t know what the display was about. And should have tipped management to that effect…instead of allowing them to blast the players.
by Thunder on Jun 15, 2009 2:25 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
In the original article,
Dejan said that the table and candle were always there, as that’s where Chavez and Burnett played cards with McLouth. It always seemed like a joke to me as well.
by hisjazziness on Jun 15, 2009 3:09 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I got that. I just don’t understand why then it was the lede in a story about player discontent.
by Charlie on Jun 15, 2009 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Because Dejan effed up (or his own bias was coming through).
by hisjazziness on Jun 15, 2009 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, right. Or it really was a “shrine” and the Pirates are now saying otherwise to cover themselves.
by Charlie on Jun 15, 2009 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Again Dejan.....
Says he never “advocates” or expresses an opinion, but he does all the time. He clearly didn’t like the McLouth trade, and I love his comment about the Jack Wilson trade. In today’s chat:
mtw247: Why not give Wilson away and use the $ savings to sign Sano?
Dejan Kovacevic: Because there might not be a stadium left for Sano to play in, judging by the fans’ reaction to the McLouth trade. Can you imagine if Wilson were just given away?
Last I checked their were about 30,000 at the game Sunday.
by dtoddwin on Jun 15, 2009 5:17 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
A chat online...
is not a story in the PPG. Big difference. Dejan generally does not put opinions in his stories…but does on occasion in the chats and blogs. And makes clear which is which.
Two points about the Sunday game…
1) Jack Wilson is still on the team.
2) Most of the Penguins and the Stanley Cup were there…probably the ONLY reason for a large walkup crowd. The two biggest walkup crowds of the season were yesterday…and the day Cutch got called up. Two things that cannot be anticipated ahead of time. They are also one time events.
Would you have said anything if the crowd were around 24,000 Sunday (sans 5700 walkup). He is correct on giving away Wilson. Even the casual fan (or maybe especially) can tell when a player is just given away (see trade, Ramirez, Aramis). There might be a stadium left…just very few fans in it…except for Skyblast nights.
If Pirates management is not motivated to have the Pirates succeed…and relatively quickly…by seeing the fans reaction to the Steelers and Penguins over the last few months…well…then there’s no hope for that management team.
by Thunder on Jun 15, 2009 5:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Trading Wilson, I can live with
giving him away, not so much.
That said, I read that the Pirates might be “treading lightly” because of the uproar over the McLouth trade. That’s just stupid… if you can get a good trade, you take it. Casual fans won’t like it so much, but if it needs to be done to improve the franchise, it needs to be done.
And doesn’t winning cure all attendance woes? If the team starts winning, fans will come. Don’t need to give players away to keep them from leaving.
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by UtesFan89 on Jun 15, 2009 8:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Seventeen consecutive losing seasons weren't enough to chase them away.
But trading Jack? The final straw!
by Vlad on Jun 16, 2009 9:24 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes....
I would have said the exact same thing if 24,000 showed up. And they had a good crowd Saturday night as well. The point as Vlad sarcastically points out below is that it is silly to think anyone is going to quit watching the Pirates because Jack Wilson isn’t on the team.
If the team wins it will draw well, if it doesn’t it won’t. No one is advocating giving Jack Wilson away. But, as I’ve noted before, hometown fans tend to way overestimate the value of their own players. Jack is in his early 30s, good defensively, poor offensively and is a free agent at the end of the year. Why doesn anyone think we are going to get a big return for that?
As for your point that Dejan was commenting in a chat and that is a different forum—yes and I do think that is a valid point. However, Dejan does show is bias repeatedly in game stories. We can just agree to disagree on that.
by dtoddwin on Jun 16, 2009 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm so proud
of sports journalism. Like that wonderful “did Sidney Crosby shake hands or NOT shake hands with the Red Wings?” story that occupied two news cycles over the weekend.
sobs quiety
by bucdaddy on Jun 15, 2009 6:04 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Or the very similar Lebron James story that circulated the weekend before.
I made most of my life decisions at a Foghat concert... I stand by them.
by Chester J Lampwick on Jun 15, 2009 7:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

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