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We Don't Need Lastings Milledge

 

From the time he came up as a heavily hyped rookie with the Mets to his non-productive, now injury-ended year with the Nats, Lasting Milledge's (LM) ego and hype have eclipsed his actual production. Why should we expect that he'll suddenly mature and produce? 



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When he came up in 2006, a Mets fan – or a paid hack i LM’s entourage – produced the website http://milledgefacts.blogspot.com which included, among others facts about LM ....

 

1. Lastings Milledge isn't a 5 tool player. Lastings Milledge has more than 100 tools, many of which are unknown to most baseball scouts.

 

4. Lastings Milledge doesn’t hit 8th. Those seven other guys are just warming up the pitcher for the first real at bat of the game.

 

27. Lastings Milledge beat Jose Reyes in a race running backwards.

 

96. Lastings Milledge is his own species. His biological name is "Homerun Rakings."

 

 

Milledge proceeded to hit .241 (with a .689 OPS) with only 4 home runs. He apparently so annoyed his teammates that a "Know your place, rook" message was left on his locker. He was late for a game in Philly.  He improved slightly in 2007, but was still traded, even though the Mets need some youth and speed in their outfield to go along with the youth, speed, and power they have with David Wright and Jose Reyes.

 

Part of the reason why he was traded to the Nats was his behavior – as noted by the NY Daily News at the time of the trade, “...although Milledge has long been considered one of the Mets’ top prospects... [he] has often caused headaches for the team and manager Willie Randolph. The 22-year-old outfielder was admonished after hitting his first career home run in 2006 because he gave high-fives to fans down the right-field line as he went out into the field for the start of the next inning. His performance on a rap song that used controversial language was also an embarrassment to the franchise.” The Mets released a statement: "We disapprove of the content, language and message of this recording, which does not represent the views of the New York Mets."

 

Another part, according to the NY Mets MLB.com spin-meister was that “LM wasn't a reliable outfielder in either corner position.” Milledge has a pretty strong constitution, which sometimes shows itself as defiance. The Mets lacked power from the corner-outfielder positions, but that “...probably wouldn't have been forthcoming had Milledge remained (with the Mets).”

 

And why was Lastings Milledge injured in a AAA game? It’s because he was “demoted” because he was off to a slow start for the Nats, batting .167 (4-for-24) with one RBI. Milledge was the leadoff hitter, but he didn’t take enough pitches. It was also an adventure for Milledge in center field early in the season. On April 6, Emilio Bonifacio hit a ball that went over Milledge's head for an inside-the-park home run in the fifth inning and the next day he hit a triple that went over Milledge's glove. In both cases, some people in the organization believe Milledge should have caught the ball. Milledge blamed the scouting report. The Nats apparently “... warned LM about a possible demotion since Opening Day because LM was late for a meeting held by Manny Acta the day before...”

 

 

            We don’t need this. Is NyjMo the long-term answer in left? No. But he and McClutch have chemistry together and they build off of each other. Seeing the team react to last night’s win, the whole team is playing well together as a team. Throwing Milledge into that would be like throwing sand into your car’s engine.

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Not a fan of LM either. I know he has tons of upside, but he has a lot of downside too. It’s kind of a judgement call as it would allow Young/Moss/Pearce more PT right now, but I’m not huge on the idea of having him in the organization. I don’t know him or anything obviously, but everything I’ve heard is negative.

RIP NATE. LADIES AND GENTLEMEN...MISTER TONY PLUSH!

by GTrain on Jun 28, 2009 11:47 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

You Had Me At "We Don't Need Lastings Milledge"

I don’t care about the personality stuff. If he sucks on the field, his personality quirks are controversial. If he plays well, his quirks are eccentric and charming. And the fact is, Lastings MIlledge does not play well..

Obviously we should be trading a player like Nyjer Morgan for a young player with upside. I don’t see where Lastings Milledge has major league upside. He’s had four years to show it, and I ain’t seen no upside yet. He’s a below average hitter and a horrible fielder.

A lot of toolsy first-round draft picks end up being total bupkis. I’m pretty sure that Lastings MIlledge is one of them.

by Androgen Jar Jimmy on Jun 28, 2009 11:53 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

You don't get it.

Obviously we should be trading a player like Nyjer Morgan for a young player with upside.

Lastings Milledge is the youngest, most upside-est player you will EVER get in exchange for a 29-year-old that can’t hit.

by matskralc on Jun 28, 2009 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed. There is no market for Morgan among competent GMs. The Nationals have horrible management, and that is why they may be looking to dump Milledge for Morgan. There would be no other young player with upside for the Bucs to acquire for a 29 year old should-be AAA player Morgan.

by Gorkys n' Beans on Jun 28, 2009 5:54 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's A Common Mistake

…to assume that the first offer you get is the only offer you’ll ever get, or the best offer you’ll ever get. The trade deadline gets closer every day, and teams are getting more desperate every day. Someone will make a mistake and make a better offer than they should. It’s probably better to sit back and wait for it to happen, rather than to force a mediocre move too soon.

by Androgen Jar Jimmy on Jun 28, 2009 11:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Notice that the trigger has yet to be pulled.

Huntington is still pushing for more from the Nationals. It’s not like he made this trade yesterday or something. As of right now, Nyjer Morgan is still a PIrate.

I agree with your premise, but I disagree with your conclusion. It’s possible that we could get better offers for Morgan. Not plausible, but possible. If not, though, Milledge for Morgan is a solid move that will at worst end up being a push.

www.sixtyftsixin.com

by Sixty Feet, Six Inches on Jun 29, 2009 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I Really Don't Believe That

I think that Milledge is already washed up. For a guy his age to play the outfield like he’s 38 years old is not good.

by Androgen Jar Jimmy on Jun 28, 2009 11:50 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

wrong!

He is only 24 and hit 15 HR’s as 23 yr old in the bigs…ignorant comment!!! Morgan is 29, this is a no-brainer!!!!!!!!

by BigPlayRaySmoothasSilk on Jun 29, 2009 9:42 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed

I’ve never been the biggest NyMo fan, but I will give him credit, he has exceeded my expectations this year. Trading him for Lastings Milledge would not be an upgrade. NyMo’s defense has been very good this year and to replace him with Milledge would be a poor choice.

"Baseball is better than football. Think about it, eighty degrees, a cold beer and a short-sleeve shirt is better than 30 degrees, a hip flask and six layers of clothes under a lap blanket. Take your pick: suntan or frostbite. " - Thomas Boswell

by Ketcham Bruce on Jun 28, 2009 12:48 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, a 91 OPS+ and leading the league in caught stealings have exceeded my expectations, too. That still doesn’t mean he’s actually any good.

by matskralc on Jun 28, 2009 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

So wait.

If Nyjer Morgan comes out and high fives fans on the left-field wall, he’s a great guy that’s endearing himself to the fans.

If Lastings Milledge comes out and high fives fans on the right field wall, he’s an egomaniac?

I get it. As you move right, you become more of an asshole.

www.sixtyftsixin.com

by Sixty Feet, Six Inches on Jun 28, 2009 2:29 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I never saw anything wrong with Milledge giving high fives to the crowd after his first homerun. He didn’t pose at home, he didn’t show up the pitcher by dancing around the bases. Baseball was traditionally a sport where fans and players were much closer, in the past few years there has been more of a division.

"Baseball is better than football. Think about it, eighty degrees, a cold beer and a short-sleeve shirt is better than 30 degrees, a hip flask and six layers of clothes under a lap blanket. Take your pick: suntan or frostbite. " - Thomas Boswell

by Ketcham Bruce on Jun 28, 2009 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I dont mind high fives

But the other players and his coaches didn’t like him, and thought he was arrogant and didn;t care. Oh and he is terrible in the field and refuses to take coaching. As much as everyone complains about Snell pissing off his teammates, throwing guys under the bus, and not ignoring what coaches tell him to do, I think you would just have the same thing on your hands with Milledge.

RIP NATE. LADIES AND GENTLEMEN...MISTER TONY PLUSH!

by GTrain on Jun 29, 2009 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

“I get it. As you move right, you become more of an asshole.”

Then you truely don’t get it. As you move right you emerge from the fantasy world.

"So you think 25 percent of the country is retarded?! Yea. Atleast 25 percent. Well lets so a sample. There are 4 of us an you're retarded. Thats 25 percent." Southpark; Mystery of the Urinal Deuce

by gorillakilla34 on Jun 29, 2009 4:16 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't get it.

Andrew McCutchen is our best outfielder, and he’s stuck right in the middle.

www.sixtyftsixin.com

by Sixty Feet, Six Inches on Jun 29, 2009 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

So, basically

Your argument boils down to “I wouldn’t want to hang out with him”. That’s not good enough.

by matskralc on Jun 28, 2009 3:08 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Not an argument but an observation

The 2009 Pirates are not a playoff contender, but they are a team that could probably play .500 ball. I see them being a better team with NyMo than with Milledge because of defense. I don’t think Milledge will make up for his defensive short comings with his offense.

"Baseball is better than football. Think about it, eighty degrees, a cold beer and a short-sleeve shirt is better than 30 degrees, a hip flask and six layers of clothes under a lap blanket. Take your pick: suntan or frostbite. " - Thomas Boswell

by Ketcham Bruce on Jun 28, 2009 6:09 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Again with the not getting it

You:


The 2009 Pirates are not a playoff contender, but they are a team that could probably play .500 ball.

Billy Beane, a man of at least marginal baseball IQ:

If you can’t win 90, you may as well lose 90"

The qualification of playoff contender/non contender is exponentially more important (for numerous reasons) than the qualification of under/at/over a .500 record.

The team is not contending with him, and I don’t think they’d get exponentially worse without him unless they replaced him with someone like his ex-teammate Monroe.

I love you and your antics, Nyjer, but much like with Jack, Nate, and Freddy, we have to learn to treat you the great guy and you the below average ballplayer as separate entities in this conversation.

by geeves on Jun 28, 2009 8:16 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Listen dude

A. If we get a good deal for Morgan, I’m all for pulling the trigger. I don’t think that Millege is a good trade. How many fly balls do you want to see doink off Milleges glove and roll into the North Side Notch? Keeping Morgan isn’t hurting anyone.
B. I’d like to see the Pirates have a winning season. Is that really so wrong ?
C. Every guy who’s ever read/ or even heard of Money Ball does not make him an expert General Manager.

"Baseball is better than football. Think about it, eighty degrees, a cold beer and a short-sleeve shirt is better than 30 degrees, a hip flask and six layers of clothes under a lap blanket. Take your pick: suntan or frostbite. " - Thomas Boswell

by Ketcham Bruce on Jun 28, 2009 9:22 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

A. If we get a good deal for Morgan, I’m all for pulling the trigger. I don’t think that Millege is a good trade. How many fly balls do you want to see doink off Milleges glove and roll into the North Side Notch? Keeping Morgan isn’t hurting anyone.

Is the answer more or less than the number of times Nyjer Morgan gets thrown out on the bases?

by matskralc on Jun 29, 2009 6:51 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

"I see them being a better team with NyMo than with Milledge because of defense"

This might be true for the remainder of 2009, but after that the potential for Milledge to have an impact the next time the Bucs are good is far greater than NyMo being worth much of anything at all.

by DITO on Jun 28, 2009 9:17 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

why wait?

Morgan is a fan favorite, which is why we should trade him now, before the bond gets deeper with the fans (like with Nate). He is not going to be an important part of the next great pirates team, with great outfields in system coming up, and if LM can put a couple decent years together until our prospects are ready to take over out there he would be much more valuable to trade as 27 year old with some power than Morgan would be as a 31 year old with no power. Having said that I do love the guy (Nyjer) and i love the way he plays and i wish him the best.

by 22cutchhappens on Jun 28, 2009 8:02 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

On KDKA right now, one nutcase claims that Morgan is necessary to “mentor” McCutchen. The Gene Collier calls him the “heart” of the team, and the last person who should be traded…

by Gorkys n' Beans on Jun 28, 2009 11:43 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's Crazy Talk

Nobody knows who the “heart” of the team is, or if such a thing even matters. Likewise, no one knows who is whose mentor, and if such a thing is even needed.

by Androgen Jar Jimmy on Jun 28, 2009 11:49 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Cutch

should be mentoring Nyjer. “Look, dumbass, here’s how to take a pitch … next lesson is, you don’t know how to steal bases so just stand on first and try not to hurt yourself.”

by bucdaddy on Jun 29, 2009 12:15 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

bucdaddy

Agree with the first two points and would like to add the negative influence Nyj seems to be having on McCutchen after watching him throw to the wrong base yesterday.

More seriously, now would be a great time to sell high and get a little of something of value out of Nyj before shows more of his true AAAA player skills in the 2nd half of the season.

by patthatt on Jun 29, 2009 10:36 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

No Brainer

Anyone who thinks Nyjer Morgan is a major league starter does not know baseball…hence this is why the Nationals want him…Lastings Milledge is a no-brainer…yeah he has had some issues but his upside is through the roof…your only giving up a 29 yr old potential bench player who is fast, but is a terrible base stealer and average fielder…this is a must make trade, there is no argument that is reasonable against it.

by BigPlayRaySmoothasSilk on Jun 29, 2009 9:37 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

By all means trade for Lastings...

If you wanna ruin the Pirates team chemistry, the club atmosphere, and most importantly McCutchen. Acquiring Milledge would ruin Milledge himself (he would be upset about having a younger player play better than him and it would just be ugly) and any of our other prospects.

I agree that we trade Nymo, just not for Milledge.

by McCutchenIsTheTruth on Jun 29, 2009 5:56 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Not only is Lastings guaranteed to be in the bottom tier of outfielders for the rest of his career (and of course Morgan isn’t, no sir, nuh-uh), he also has enough evil superpowers to banish McCutchen to Coco Crisp’s career…

/

by Gorkys n' Beans on Jun 29, 2009 6:34 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

No, it's cool

Just have McCutchen wear a clove of garlic around his neck when Milledge starts at a corner, and he will be immune.

by DITO on Jun 30, 2009 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

If we did trade NyjMo, it should be for...

…wait for it….
(scroll down)

Doug Mientkewicz. Hopefully that will put this fanpost to bed, as a lot of people got very emotional about their opinions, which are like certain body parts inasmuch as everyone has one.

My distaste for Lastings M is based on being trapped in New York while he was playing for the Mets. He very quickly wore out his welcome with his teammates, management and the fans, apparently believing that his average (at the MLB level) production and rap skills made him rise above everyone in the organization. The Yankees or Red Sox are examples of teams w/enough talent to overcome that kind of distraction. I dare say, w/no empirical evidence in support, that teams like the Marlins, Diamondbacks, etc., that win with young talent cannot survive that type of distraction.

by Trogluddite on Jun 29, 2009 10:13 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I don't know

whether acquiring Milledge would be a good idea or a bad idea. I just wonder how much of this “distraction” business is an invention of the press. I simply can’t fathom that a major-league ballplayer would alter his work habits or his approach at the plate or on the mound or anything that has anything to do with actually playing the game because he doesn’t like Lastings Milledge. How would your concentration be affected? By every account, members of some Oakland and Yankees world champion teams loathed each other to the point of fistfights and still got the job done. A guy like Milledge might could be a distraction for his manager, or his GM, and maybe some of his teammates would like to punch him in the nads, but why would that show up on the field? “I’ll fix that Lastings Milledge, I’ll go up there and strike out, that’s what I’ll do, show HIM.” Really? “I’ll fix that Lastings Milledge, I’ll throw this pitch where the batter can scorch it out to left and we’ll all laugh when it bounces off Milledge’s head, HAH! Show HIS punk ass.” Really?

by bucdaddy on Jun 30, 2009 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well said

And why does everyone think Milledge’s presence would influence Cutch’s actions—because Cutch is a little younger? Why don’t we think that the (seemingly, at least) excellent attitudes of Cutch, Moss, Sanchez, Wilson and others would help straighten out anything that is wrong with Milledge’s character?

by DITO on Jun 30, 2009 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

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