Ex-Pirates Lineup

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Half these guys I wouldn't put on a church softball team

Santiago, Izturis, Casey ? I’m sort of glad we got rid of of a majority of these guys. Dunston is the only guy I like on this list because he was the only trade we made when we were buying and not selling down the stretch in ’97.

"Baseball is better than football. Think about it, eighty degrees, a cold beer and a short-sleeve shirt is better than 30 degrees, a hip flask and six layers of clothes under a lap blanket. Take your pick: suntan or frostbite. " - Thomas Boswell

by Ketcham Bruce on Jun 8, 2009 9:25 PM EDT reply actions

lets see

Bonds — Out of Baseball
Lofton — Out of Baseball
Guillen — headcase
Ramirez — will soon eat himself out of baseball
Iszturis — not talented
Dunston — out of baseball
Casey — out of Baseball
Stairs — finished even if still playing
Kendall — see Stairs
Santiago — out of Baseball
Schmidt — see Stairs
Leiber — out of Baseball
Suppan — see Stairs
Mesa — out of Baseball
Rincon — out of Baseball
Torres — out of Baseball
Williams — out of Baseball
Giles — success was most likely due to ’roids useless since testing was inacted
Burnitz — out of baseball
Matthews Jr — see Giles
I count 8 guys on this list that a good team might want. What was your point again?

by superope on Jun 8, 2009 9:26 PM EDT reply actions

I love how everyone "knows" that Giles was on drugs...

…even though there’s no proof, and he wasn’t among the Pirates mentioned in the Mitchell Report. So much for innocent until proven guilty, I guess.

And I don’t know that your definition of useless is particularly valuable, either. Matt Stairs has a 1.118 OPS this year as a bench bat, for example, and Suppan and Kendall are at least good enough to start for our current division leader.

That also said, the initial list isn’t particularly helpful, both in the (incorrect) implication that we should’ve kept all of these guys and in the selection of these particular guys as the ones we should miss the most. I don’t see Leo Nunez, for example, or Jeff Keppinger, or Dave Ross.

by Vlad on Jun 9, 2009 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs

hahaa rec'd

He was good-ish. His numebrs flourished in PNC Park because of the short right field porch

Big Numbers

by homerun013 on Jun 10, 2009 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions

Giles was on roids for sure

There weren’t many Pirates on the list, because nobody was really good enough to warrant the thought that they were. So let’s look at the stats:

HMMM… 16 and 17 HRs in ’97 and ’98, then WOW he hits 40 per year! Then in ’03, when steroids were just starting to be banned, the man hits 20, just like ’97 and ’98. His average also goes up and down in this same pattern.

If you also account for his 5’10" stature, it really doesn’t seem logical that he could hit 40 HRs anyway. Just face it, Giles juiced

by H2O on Jun 27, 2009 10:08 AM EDT up reply actions