Draft Day One Overflow Thread: Bucs Draft Tony Sanchez
by Charlie Wilmoth on Jun 9, 2009 4:50 PM EDT
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PrintBaseball Prospectus (subscription required) has the Bucs taking USC shortstop Grant Green, which is a pick I'd endorse based on what I know so far. But the name on everyone's lips elsewhere is that of Boston College catcher Tony Sanchez. Keith Law (see below) says the Pirates already have a deal with Sanchez, and Baseball America has the Bucs taking Sanchez in its latest mock draft. It also says in the blurb on the front page that the first four picks are pretty much "locked down." Jen Langosch also thinks the Bucs will take Sanchez.
Sanchez hit very well for Boston College this year, but even he says his game is all about defense:
David Laurila: I understand that your favorite player is Yadier Molina. What does that say about you?
Tony Sanchez: It says that, for me, it's all about defense, and hitting is a bonus. I pride [myself on] defense a lot and work really hard on catching; I work hard on throwing guys out, blocking, receiving, and everything that goes with the job. I'd much rather throw a runner out than hit a home run, and that's the same mindset as Yadier Molina has. He really loves his defense, and he works harder for his pitchers than he does for himself in the batter's box. That's the way I try to play.
That's admirable and all, but can we please not take a defense-first catcher with the fourth overall pick? There are lots of catchers available in this draft. If the Pirates don't want to take a pitcher fourth overall--and I think that's understandable, given what bad investments first-round pitchers often are--there are higher-upside hitters available, like Green and Florida high school infielder Bobby Borchering (who, like Sanchez, would probably sign relatively cheaply anyway). I'm not opposed to the Pirates saving a bit of money early in the draft as long as they grab some high-upside, tough-to-sign players in the Robbie Grossman mold later on; this is a strange draft that might reward an unusual approach like that. But from what I've read so far, I don't want that to mean using their first-round pick on Sanchez.
You can watch the draft here.
6:15: The Nats select Stephen Strasburg. No surprise there.
6:19 The Mariners pick Dustin Ackley. It's no surprise, but it would have been nice if the Bucs got a shot at Ackley.
6:23 The Padres draft Donavan Tate. Bucs on the clock.
6:28 THE PIRATES PICK TONY SANCHEZ. As I said before, I don't get this pick. I'd love to understand the Pirates' side of it, but almost no one seems to think this is a good idea. The Bucs need upside, and from what I've seen, Sanchez is a slow-bat, defense-first catcher who doesn't provide it. I'm fine with the idea of spending relatively little with the first-round pick because there are few standouts and lots of depth in this draft, but there are other players who could have been drafted cheaply who'd provide more upside. Bobby Borchering, a lead-gloved high school infielder with lots of power potential, is one. It's not too late for the Pirates to salvage this draft, as there will be lots of opportunities for the Pirates to throw money around later on, but for now I give this pick thumbs way down.
I suppose it's admirable that Neal Huntington doesn't really seem to care what the fans think, but most of his other main moves (trading for Jose Tabata, and so on) have been to get upside. From what I've read and seen, Sanchez doesn't fit the bill, at all.
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More Sanchez talk
Seems like all there’s left to do is call his name. Per the Post Gazette:
Little less than 90 minutes until Major League Baseball’s 2009 first-year player draft, and it certainly has the feel that Pirates management has narrowed its focus to Boston College Tony Sanchez at No. 4 overall.
“Still gotta wait and see what happens,” Sanchez said in a text message moments ago. “Big hopes, though.”
I have less of a problem with Sanchez than most of you guys do; I don’t feel confident enough in my prospect evaluation abilities to say that he’s definitely worse than Grant Green or Bobby Borchering or whoever else. That said, if guys like Matzek and Crow are out because of ridiculous bonus demands, I would still rather see us draft Gibson.
Gibson could fall to the sandwich pick/ late first round due to injury. Theres an outside chance you could get your wish
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Neal
Huntington is my new hero. The man has balls of steel. Talk about being your own man. A lesser G.M. would have been gun-shy after the McLouth uproar (I liked the move, by the way). But Neal is unfazed. G.M.’s that let fan opinions run their ball club are losers and pu$$ies.
I think a lot of them can be absolutely wrong all the time. They have a real knack for it. But I think the Sanchez thing seems like a very bad idea.
by Charlie Wilmoth on Jun 9, 2009 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Hey, I agree with you. I don’t like it either.
by Charlie Wilmoth on Jun 9, 2009 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, that’s kind of my point. I am completely OK with the management going against the majority opinion, but we’re seeing pretty much unanimous opposition to Sanchez today.
I haven’t seen a draft person say it’s a good idea yet, either. This is just strange.
by Charlie Wilmoth on Jun 9, 2009 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t think it’s a good idea even then. It’s not like Sanchez is the only choice who’d be willing to sign for slot.
by Charlie Wilmoth on Jun 9, 2009 5:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Agreed
What idiocy. You can’t take me that they couldn’t get 10 better players at slot.
I guarantee he’s signing well under slot.
I told some of my friends that bought into the “salary dump” line that the Pirates showed last year in the draft that they were serious about spending money.
Obviously, they shouldn’t spend money for spending money’s sake. Just seems like there’s plenty of other guys at #4 that have a higher upside and would be reasonable to sign.
I certainly don’t want a GM who is influenced by what fans think. Neal knows if he builds a winner, the fans will come.
That being said, it seems like this guy at #4 is a reach. Notwithstanding the fact it’s a thin class, is that really the best option for a team badly in need of talent?
Like Charlie said, if the Pirates take Sanchez, I hope they take some high upside guys who want above-slot money like Grossman last year.
I think going above slot in lower rounds was their plan. Let’s hope they succeed.
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by gorillakilla34 on Jun 9, 2009 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Okay...
I liked the McLouth trade as well.
But for the draft…. Dave Littlefield didn’t let the fans influence his picks either. Otherwise, we wouldn’t have a fine pitcher named Danny Moskos in our system.
When you draft a player 20 slots before he’s projected to go, you are making an enormous mistake. I hope the fans raise all sorts of flack over this pick. They should. Show me a scout that says he should go #4.
You’ll never convince me this isn’t a money move. I don’t care how unreasonable some agents are being. There are 15 other signable guys with much more upside.
I remember my anger at the Moskos pick. This is close.
No Weiters
What makes me less upset about this pick than the Moskos pick is that there is no Weiters at four in this draft. There are a bunch of signable questionmarks and questionmarks that appear to have priced themselves out of the market.
What I am bothered by the idea of a seemingly low upside glove first catcher. I would be somewhat OK doing this for someone with a flaw but also a skill I think could help down the road. Borchering is the best example of someone like that in this class for me. A mediocre athlete with big power potential.
If
Management feels other guys that they wanted are not worth the 3-5 million extra, then I am on board with this deal. I don’t know what their mindset is, but if that is the mindset then that is fine. Someone like Buchering now apparently wants more money as well, so everyone is trying to get theirs this year — only problem is the top-end talent isn’t where it has been in year’s past. I think this is even a case of the Pirates being unlucky to be drafting in the top 5. You either want to be the worst or good when it comes to the draft slots this year.
Baseball America wrote earlier today that Borchering wanted $2 million, which seems entirely reasonable.
by Charlie Wilmoth on Jun 9, 2009 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions
I can’t wait to hear their line of thinking of why they dug so deep to get Sanchez. Especially why they passes on the HS guys.
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by gorillakilla34 on Jun 9, 2009 5:10 PM EDT up reply actions
(not said in a sarcastic tone)
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by gorillakilla34 on Jun 9, 2009 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions
The Whole
I think you have to let the whole draft unfold including international signings before you rip Huntington a new one.
too late
sincerely,
typical casual Pirate fan
LOL
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by gorillakilla34 on Jun 9, 2009 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions
That’s funny, but the casual Pirate fan isn’t watching the draft.
In fact, the average casual Pirate fan hasn’t even fully frothed at the mouth about McLouth yet, as they haven’t gotten over not re-signing Mientkiewicz.
lol
Some haven’t even retired their Jason Kendell jersey.
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by gorillakilla34 on Jun 9, 2009 5:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Callis says the top 8 picks are more or less locked in:
1. Nationals: San Diego State righthander Stephen Strasburg.
2. Mariners: North Carolina first baseman Dustin Ackley.
3. Padres: Georgia HS outfielder Donavan Tate.
4. Pirates: Boston College catcher Tony Sanchez.
5. Orioles: California HS righthander Matt Hobgood.
6. Giants: Georgia HS righthander Zack Wheeler.
7. Braves: Vanderbilt lefthander Mike Minor.
8. Reds: North Carolina righhander Alex White.
at this rate we'll find out we'll pick at 49
before Maz offically announces the 4th overall pick
Funny that, in a draft that’s supposed to be so loaded with pitching, three of the first four picks are hitters.
by Charlie Wilmoth on Jun 9, 2009 5:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Wow
The Braves are taking Minor? Didn’t see that coming at all.
I wonder how far Matzek/Crow will drop.
When you think about it....
3 years ago, who would have thought there would be this many PIRATES fans who cared so much about the draft.
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Not very many. I think people are much better informed than they used to be.
by Charlie Wilmoth on Jun 9, 2009 5:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Plus
It was just going to lead to pain since you knew DL wouldn’t draft anyone worth a damn.
Every year there was some hope, though. And he did draft McCutchen.
by Charlie Wilmoth on Jun 9, 2009 5:16 PM EDT up reply actions
I should have
put in the caveat — for the most part.
And here cocktails would say
blind pig. truffle…..ect….
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by gorillakilla34 on Jun 9, 2009 5:17 PM EDT up reply actions
I would've
had I been here. Was still reading the first thread. Gah.
Free your ass and your mind will follow.
by cocktailsfor2 on Jun 9, 2009 6:34 PM EDT up reply actions
DL did get Lincoln as well, and everyone liked him at the time. Maholm has turned out pretty well, too, especially compared to some of the guys taken above him.
Anyone
Outside the first round of any worth by DL? The point was that you kind of knew there really wasn’t going to be any sort of a “solid” draft. I mean it seems like you guys are trying to defend DL to some extent, but let’s not forget the “strong” minor league system he left behind.
Oh God, did I just defend DL? I need to go put on my hair shirt…
By and large Littlefield was a terrible drafter, especially because he never ever found anyone useful after the first round. His second round picks in particular were unbelievably awful — Blair Johnson (out of baseball), Gorzelanny (OK), Bixler (utility IF at best), Brad Corley (traded for cash), Mike Felix (really struggling), and Duke Welker (ditto).
Doumit was a 2nd rounder, wasn’t he? Just sayin…..
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by gorillakilla34 on Jun 9, 2009 5:36 PM EDT up reply actions
That just goes to show you...
just how much of a gamble any round in the draft is. Half of those 1st round choices never amounted to any ML talent.
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by gorillakilla34 on Jun 9, 2009 5:26 PM EDT up reply actions
You look back at those old draft threads, it's amazing
If I had to guess, though Charlie would know better than anyone, I bet the ’06 draft thread had 30 comments total, tops.
I don’t know how much of that was lack of interest and how much of that was the fact that people hadn’t yet realized that blogs are a good place to congregate for these sorts of things. BD in ’06 or ’07 got only a tiny fraction of the traffic it gets now.
by Charlie Wilmoth on Jun 9, 2009 5:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Either way it's awesome
You do a great job Charlie. If it wasn’t for BD I wouldn’t get to talk with anyone else who gave a crap about the Pirates.
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by gorillakilla34 on Jun 9, 2009 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Same. It’s all great. I only know one other guy personally who likes the Pirates
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by Suffering Buc on Jun 9, 2009 5:37 PM EDT up reply actions
I remember hanging out at BBTF for the last few drafts. This place is really hopping this year… Congrats, man. :)
This is a great blog and one of my first stops every morning. SB’s rapid fire posting system also makes it great for events like this.
Agreed
game threads & draft threads are great on SBNation
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for the record the Moskos fiasco open thread
had only 58 comments
Just did some research.
kinda is nowadays
hahahaha
wish I was golfing more often
Sounds like he does
Hangin aht dahn tahn with donnie iris. Maybe stop at primahni’s an drink some iron.
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by gorillakilla34 on Jun 9, 2009 5:30 PM EDT up reply actions
sorry
stupid attempt at putting Pittsburgh accent into text.
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by gorillakilla34 on Jun 9, 2009 5:39 PM EDT up reply actions
lol
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by gorillakilla34 on Jun 9, 2009 5:46 PM EDT up reply actions
fwiw, lately Moskos has had some pretty good starts at AA
sure, Moskos at #4 overall was a ridiculous overdraft, but don’t give up on him yet
http://www.baseball-reference.com/minors/player.cgi?id=moskos001dan
Unrelated, but via Dejan
Tyler Yates was shut down after his right-elbow inflammation apparently flared, pain returning while warming up for a second inning of a simulated game here at Turner Field moments ago.
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OH NO
we’ll have to stomach our suddenly moderately trustable bullpen without the likes of Yates
Jason
The Hanging Curve
At least Tony Sanchez is a cool name. I vote he puts the entire thing on his jersey.
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Oh, and
Karstens will be starting Wednesday
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Snell has the inside track on that.
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by gorillakilla34 on Jun 9, 2009 5:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Also
With all the talk of Neil wanting to replenish the system, do you think if they sign Sanchez for under-slot cash, that means they want to get more than (I think it was 30 of 50 last year) signed this go around? Obviously it’s probably better to have a team that has more top-heavy talent than a bunch of solid talent, but just curious if maybe that’s the thought process as well.
30 picks signed is actually a little above average, I think.
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by gorillakilla34 on Jun 9, 2009 5:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Per Kevin Goldstein at BP
“Pittsburgh is now taking Tony Sanchez fourth, and seems to already have a deal done, or at least is awfully close. Don’t get too mad YET Pittsburgh fans, until you get the whole picture, as they’ll be looking to bust slot further down the road as well as make a big splash in the International market.
Atlanta is now leaning towards Mike Minor with the seventh overall pick, which is a pick that deserves far more criticism than Sanchez at 4. That’s a very big domino that could lead to Cincinnati getting away from the high school arms and going for a quicker fix with Alex White.
Speaking of high school arms – all of those guys looking for huge money? They’re all dropping . . . bigtime. Could all clear the top ten picks unless Detroit bites. Matzek, Purke, Miller and Turner will create a lot of tough decisions for teams picking in the middle of the first round.
Finding a home for Kyle Gibson, as well as last year’s unsigned arms (Scheppers and Crow) is becoming more and more of a challenge."
I doubt any of those names mention
will make it to 49. The 1st round talent is just too weak.
FWIW
Tony Massarotti’s 5 most hapless franchises in baseball.
Pirates are #2, though he says they could be #1 after the draft.
For all NH is doing, people still don’t like the Buccos
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Have these writers every said anything good
about the Buccos ever since Barry Bonds left?
It’s just like whatever
Yeah
but it’d be nice if someone would eventually realize that the Pirates are finally trying, if nothing else
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People who actually know baseball know they’re turning it around.
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by gorillakilla34 on Jun 9, 2009 5:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Why can't people that actually know baseball
be the ones that write all the MSM posts?
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They don’t want the average person who doesn’t know that much about the current FO to think they are insane?
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by gorillakilla34 on Jun 9, 2009 5:50 PM EDT up reply actions
I guess
but then I have no one to read (well, save for bloggers, but I do a ton of that anyways)
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I was surprised about the ESPN article
that talked positive about Huntington and their current rebuilding mission. Sorry, too lazy to find it.
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by gorillakilla34 on Jun 9, 2009 5:53 PM EDT up reply actions
It would help if Massarotti had actually thought about it...
…before he wrote that article. The Pirates now seem to have a plan - the right plan for this particular team, at this time and located in this market. The Pirates current state reflects the catastrophe left over from the last (mis)management regime.
Steve Z
The only remedy to all this
is win………..JUST WIN BABY
If only they had an undetectable performance enhancer...
maybe thats where Huntington is really putting the money saved by signing Sanchez…..He hired a team of mad scientists to develope a new performance enhancer only to be used by the Pirates. First conquer MLB then the world!! Time to get another beer…….
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by gorillakilla34 on Jun 9, 2009 5:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Starts in 3 minutes?
or in 1+ hour?
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6pm EST
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by gorillakilla34 on Jun 9, 2009 5:59 PM EDT up reply actions
I admit it. I like the idea of Tony Sanchez at 4. I like what Neil, Frank and Co. are doing with this team. I’m a fan of the plan. Hate me if ya want!
I'll know if I like this pick or not
after I see how they approach their next 2 picks (and beyond, of course)
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per Mayo
Matzek selected 9th by Detroit I believe
Who's watching the Pens?
Personally, I could care less.
Everyone on my block except me
I’m the outcast of the neighborhood
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by gorillakilla34 on Jun 9, 2009 6:06 PM EDT up reply actions
I'll be watching. My hockey team being in Game 6 of the Stanley
My hockey team being in Game 6 of the Stanley Cup Finals is more entertaining than the baseball draft.
by Suffering Buc on Jun 9, 2009 6:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Nats draft
Stanford righty Drew Storen
safe pick obviously
big setup
but in a good way. i expect sanchez to sign for between 1.5-2 mil. last year, in spending 9.8 mil on the draft, 6mil went to alvarez, about 1 mil went to organizational filler, and aalmost 3 more went to miller, freeman, and grossman. that leaves us more than 4 mil for signability picks such as those that may be available to us such as colton cain or slade heathcott. i like this strategy. remember, impact players don’t always come from the first round
He should shut up
and just put the Nats on the clock
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Take a different pitcher
come on Nats! Pass on him for signability!
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“It takes a pitcher a couple hundred years, er, innings to get comfortable.”
Strasberg #1
Mariners… pass on Ackley now!
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Yeah. They need to hire a pro. Or a former player with some charisma.
by Charlie Wilmoth on Jun 9, 2009 6:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Maybe next year they get Carrot Top to do it.
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by gorillakilla34 on Jun 9, 2009 6:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Nady
went straight to the majors?
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......and got injured
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by gorillakilla34 on Jun 9, 2009 6:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Please, please
someone take Sanchez before #4. I want some excitement
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.....and how did that make you feel?
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by gorillakilla34 on Jun 9, 2009 6:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Ackley #2
Bud Selig sucks at this
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Excited but nervous
Hope more for a reach at 4th than an overdraft, but that’s me.
It’s just it’d be nice if the PBC doesn’t draft 4th again for a long time. If drafting 4th can become a thing of the past, PBC should waste its opportunities when it gets to draft that high.
DK says PBC to draft at aprox 3:23.
One bad thing about constant updates, etc.
No drama …unless SD doesn’t take Tate.
Oh damn...
and what’s with the clapping?
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Can't wait for these guys to scratch their heads after the Pirates pick.
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Reynolds
“HAHA….those crazy Pirates. They will announce their real pick in a minute. What? That IS their pick?”
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by gorillakilla34 on Jun 9, 2009 6:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Didn't someone say they were going to a draft party at PNC?
I’d love to see that scene!
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by gorillakilla34 on Jun 9, 2009 6:27 PM EDT up reply actions
That "scene"
4 ‘fans’, 3 dressed in Penguins gear?
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From BA
Now we’ll see if the Pirates go to Boston College catcher Tony Sanchez, as we’ve indicated on the blog. To our understanding, it’s a done deal, with a pre-draft deal also in place.
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Thats why they had the comercial break B4 the pick.
So they knew who Sanchez is.
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by gorillakilla34 on Jun 9, 2009 6:32 PM EDT up reply actions
First year with the draft on TV...
I don’t think they are going to bash any picks! Maybe they got an email from Selig before the draft started. Also, he’s a good player, just not a #4 pick.
ahhhhhhhhhhhhhh
ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh shit
Jorge vs. Tony Sanchez
do we need a bone marrow sample to figure who he really is?
or should we just call him “Dirty” Sanchez, to make it easier?
Thats already Freddy's name damn it!
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by gorillakilla34 on Jun 9, 2009 6:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Hobgood #5
stupid pre-draft talk ruined the fun of the draft. It’s just like the NFL, alright
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It's as much of a reach as Sanchez.
Given he talent level after the 1st two picks signability is a huge factor, especially in this economy.
He's a solid player....
the other top pitchers are asking for a lot of money over slot and Hobgood apparently will sign at slot. The guy still has a lot of upside I just wanted to point out the importance of signability in this draft. It’s a factor for everyone this year not just the Bucs.
OK, the MLB Network guys know nothing. Reynolds was wrong about Sanchez being a cold-weather player… Now this dude is saying Hobgood may have the highest upside of any high school pitcher. Yeah, right.
He just meant because he played at Boston College
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by gorillakilla34 on Jun 9, 2009 6:37 PM EDT up reply actions
But going to college in a cold-weather area means a lot less to a player’s development, or lack thereof, than growing up in the northeast as opposed to the south… I’m pretty sure Reynolds just didn’t know much about him.
or that could be
I wish they had actual evaluaters of talent to analize the draft
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by gorillakilla34 on Jun 9, 2009 6:41 PM EDT up reply actions
“analize.”
uh-huhuhuhuhuh
huhuhuhuh
huhuhuh
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by cocktailsfor2 on Jun 9, 2009 6:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Play less games becuase of weather
Harold is correct
OK, that was extremely boring
How long until they get to pick No. 49?
NH says the darndest things. Now it’s “the ability to play professional ball in July-Sept 2009” is very important to the PBC.
Why not just say — “Nutting is exhausted from writing all these checks.” He and Coonelly said "no over slot signing in the first round.
I don’t think that’s what happened. I think they really will open their wallets later in the draft. I just don’t understand why Sanchez.
by Charlie Wilmoth on Jun 9, 2009 6:37 PM EDT up reply actions
I like Sanchez.
Not at #4 but I like him. I guess this the equivalent to the NFL trading down. We take an easier sign here and pick up a couple of more talented players later. I’m not going to judge this draft until it is over. NH must see someting in Sanchez he likes. I think his bat will get better with some good instrcuction. Let’s not forget he put up a pretty good line at age 21 against one of the toughest conferences in colllege baseball. He also performed pretty well in the Cape Cod League last year if I remember correctly.
I don't think Nutting has anything to do with it.
I think it is NH with a plan to spend on a lot of tough signs in later rounds.
Last year Huntington managed to do both. Way over slot for Alvarez and the go after tough signs (e.g., Grossman, Schweppers) with later picks. I like cake and ice cream. It ain’t against the law.
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by cocktailsfor2 on Jun 9, 2009 6:48 PM EDT up reply actions
We only signed 33 players last year and had no Sano.
I think we get more over slot this year and there is no Alvarez this year. Not apples to apples.
I think they're clapping
because Selig is leaving the podium
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I know I would...
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by cocktailsfor2 on Jun 9, 2009 6:40 PM EDT up reply actions
(snerk)
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by cocktailsfor2 on Jun 9, 2009 6:41 PM EDT up reply actions
HEY LOOK
You actually used punctuation in your first line…
Then what happened?
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by cocktailsfor2 on Jun 9, 2009 6:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Awwww...
He’s just happy to be here. What’s that wet spot on the rug? Bad Omar!
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by gorillakilla34 on Jun 9, 2009 6:43 PM EDT up reply actions
way stupider
imagine if he had to deal with what bettman had too. steroids are one thing, but baseball never could have recovered with him in charge
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And Selig having some fun
who knew he could do that?
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Pirates draft Jorge Sanchez…..excellent…
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by gorillakilla34 on Jun 9, 2009 6:45 PM EDT up reply actions
hahahaha
Release the hounds!"
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by cocktailsfor2 on Jun 9, 2009 6:48 PM EDT up reply actions
I know he has risen on draft boards...
but it wasn’t too long ago that Baseball America had him as the 10th best LHP and a probable 2nd rounder. This is indeed a strane year for the draft. Minor projects as a #3 starter at best.
Come on
that’s gonna be his highlight of the night.
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the sad thing is
that your actually right.
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I guess we get the pitchforks out...
on July 3rd…after Sano signs with someone else? It can only be assumed this is a “signability (spelled MONEY)” pick. Certainly not a “best player available” pick. It does address a need…if we don’t mind waiting 3 or 4 years for Sanchez to arrive.
Parts of “The Plan” are going to have to unfold over the next few months…or we may have a new GM at the end of 2010.
Ain't no guarantees
I’m waiting for the inevitable PPG articles comparing Weiters minor league stats with Sanchez’s at the same point.
No doubt.
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by cocktailsfor2 on Jun 9, 2009 6:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Possibly..
.. Sanchez is well above and beyond the other catchers defensively in this draft. If the Pirates view him as the surest thing to a “gold glover” for the next 8-10 years then this absolutely is a good pick. A below average bat at the C comparably to most positions at is status quo, so if this guy has even an average bat and is a beast defensively then NH is going to look pretty smart.
The Pirates seem to be very interested in the defensive mind-set of the club going forward, as you stated a few days ago Charlie, love it or hate it, this goes with the club’s idea of improving the d. Also, everyone here is pretty knowledgable, so we all know the impact a top catcher can have on the pitchers, Sanchez may not have the bat to be an All-Star, but in 3-4 years the Pirates have one or two all star pitchers, you can bet he’ll be getting some credit then.
Hmm. Using the number 4 overall pick to draft for defense is like using it to take the best relief pitcher available. That worked out well for DL, didn’t it?
Don’t look now, but that relief pitcher is starting to pitch pretty well. And, let’s remember that Neil, Frank and Co. did not pick him.
I’m pretty sure my post expressly states that I do, in fact, remember who picked Moskos.
I have never accepted drafting for position. Bad teams that want to be good teams just don’t do that — they pick the best available player. Penguins, for example, picked centers with their first pick 3 years in a row, didn’t they?
“pretty well” being relative, amigo.
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by cocktailsfor2 on Jun 9, 2009 6:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Everyone was saying
Alex White (or whoever the P from UNC is)
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Bud: “The Cinn-suh-natt-uh Reds”
And “The DEE-troit Tigers.”
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Maybe there was a conversation about his ability to announce the draft
Advisor: “Bud, maybe you should do something to make the draft a little more entertaining.”
Bud: “How about I come up with an annoying, yet loveable accent.”
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by gorillakilla34 on Jun 9, 2009 6:54 PM EDT up reply actions
it is really weird
and i honestly do NOT hate our pick. we don’t have any catchers.
SO WHO DO WE TAKE IN THE 49 SLOT??
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PBC getting mocked on Yahoo blog
[Comment From Neil Huntington]
I’m only drafting players that I can sign without losing money. I do not want to draft players that are good if they cost to much. I do not care. This is a corporation not a baseball team
God, I hate this s***
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by cocktailsfor2 on Jun 9, 2009 6:56 PM EDT up reply actions
these immature posters
need to grow the hell up! Seriously!
the rich
are going to get richer. all these high upside/hard signability guys are going to fall to the teams with the money, and had good records. The MLB draft if flawed in sooo many ways.
thank you
that what i always say. something has to change. like if it was up to me the top half of teams wouldn’t even get a first round pick
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Then the guys would fall to the 2nd round
and still get paid.
They need to throw in a system like the NBA
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good point
i just mean that the lower teams would get an extra pick early. but your right on the way the high upside guys go. it sucks.
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That’s been going on forever.
How do you think the Angels got Jared Weaver with the 12th pick overall in 2004? (PBC picked Neil Walker one pick earlier.) Better scouting?
Nope — it was cheaper teams’ fear of Scott Boras.
There are a million stories in the Naked City just like this.
Yep
and it’s stupid. MLB needs to do something about it.
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And a broken heart for every one.
This is the story of one of them…
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by cocktailsfor2 on Jun 9, 2009 7:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Huh
I’m curious where Matzek and Crow are going to land.
And candy
All you have to do is come for a ride with us in this van……..
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by gorillakilla34 on Jun 9, 2009 6:57 PM EDT up reply actions
…and don’t tell your Mom, ’k?
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by cocktailsfor2 on Jun 9, 2009 6:58 PM EDT up reply actions
She would just be jealous of the time we’re spending together…………what were we talking about again?
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by gorillakilla34 on Jun 9, 2009 7:00 PM EDT up reply actions
lmfao
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by cocktailsfor2 on Jun 9, 2009 7:00 PM EDT up reply actions
haha it would be a dream come true
if crow falls were going streaking
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