Pittsburgh Tea Party
by huntingteacher on Jul 1, 2009 10:05 AM EDT
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We are not some expansion team with no history or success. We are the Pittsburgh Pirates. One of the oldest and most respected teams is the world. Until the last 17 years... The trades this year (this week's trade broke me) prove to me and many others than there is something going on in the organization that stinks. They are not trying to win. We must take a stand!!!
#1 Boycott Not that many fans go to games, but an organized boycott gets the press involved and hits them in the wallet.
#2 Symbolic acts - Stage a March. Think it as a Fans Right's March, ending at the stadium, with a speeches from past players.
#3 Ad campaign to beg Mark Cuban or another deep pocket owner to buy the team.
#4 Lobby to have the team taken over by the City, ala Green Bay Packers. Issue stock, and we could all own them, hire a real GM with intention of having a team not in last place.
#5 Oranize and do some of everything above and take back our team!!
I am serious!! Lets meet at the Point, figure how much money we have, who we know, elect some leadership, assign committees, and move to take back our team. How's July 25th sound? I'll even pay for some add time on the radio to kick this off!!!
Scott
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You are certainly made of stronger stuff than I, sir.
I don’t know if I could make that deep a sacrifice.
Your dedication to this cause is indeed admirable.
Free your ass and your mind will follow.
by cocktailsfor2 on Jul 1, 2009 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions
are you kidding me
The Pirates are not going to spend Yankee and Red Sox type money, ever! How do you expect for them to compete? They have to rebuild the farm system which was depleted by former GM’s. I think the trades made this year are smart and had to be made. Are you seriously crying about Nyjer Morgan, Eric Hinske and Nate McClouth (did nothing after Bay and Nady left), give me a break. We are not winning with these guys in the line up, period! I have been a lifetime Pirate fan and I can’t remember being this excited about the team. Huntingteacher, two or three years from now you will be on here talking how great these trades were!
Hey Spartacus...
hold up on your socialist revolution. These were good trades and NH is making progress. Look at the development in Latin America, look at our recent drafts.
"Baseball is better than football. Think about it, eighty degrees, a cold beer and a short-sleeve shirt is better than 30 degrees, a hip flask and six layers of clothes under a lap blanket. Take your pick: suntan or frostbite. " - Thomas Boswell
You don't get it.
It’s not about getting good players. They don’t keep them!!! If these guys start performing, they just trade them again for more “prospects”
If you like last place, enjoy!! I’m sick of being embarrased to be a fan… I would be happy with 3rd place once in a while….
Jason Bay, now best OF in American League
Jason Schmidtt – won a CY Young
Nate McClouth, best Pirate and most popular
…………….. On and on and on….. How long will it take for you to join our Rebel group???
by huntingteacher on Jul 1, 2009 10:34 AM EDT up reply actions
Um...
the ‘they don’t keep the players’ thing…
1- NH needed to restock the system, which was a mess & pretty much non-existent. Hard to do that without trading players that have value. (Plus, there is no way they’d be able to afford someone like Bay after this season, no matter how hard they tried)
2- NH has been here for 2 seasons. He’s restocking the system well. Sure, we’re losing guys that the fans like, but in return, we’re getting guys that can perform. (Did you see Ohlie’s performance last night?) Before him, it was DL… and that’s the past. He did what he did, we can’t ask the MLB to just ‘undo’ everything DL did.
They are trying to win. They just want to win year-in, year-out… not a “win 82 games and then relax and suck for ever” like DL was aiming for.
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" You don't get it ..." is used way to much on here.
"Baseball is better than football. Think about it, eighty degrees, a cold beer and a short-sleeve shirt is better than 30 degrees, a hip flask and six layers of clothes under a lap blanket. Take your pick: suntan or frostbite. " - Thomas Boswell
by Ketcham Bruce on Jul 1, 2009 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions
+1
Free your ass and your mind will follow.
by cocktailsfor2 on Jul 1, 2009 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions
You don’t get it…
I'm droppin' flava, my behavior is hereditary--but my technique is very necessary.
You're right.
I should have called him out on the misuse of “to/too.”
Free your ass and your mind will follow.
by cocktailsfor2 on Jul 1, 2009 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions
Why is that such a big deal two you?
:P
I'm droppin' flava, my behavior is hereditary--but my technique is very necessary.
Fine, I'll do it. :)
What’s the difference between to, too, and two? It’s not too difficult to use them, once you take the time to learn what they mean – and do some practicing too.
To
To has two functions. First, as a preposition, in which case it always precedes a noun.
I’m going to the store
He went to Italy
This belongs to David
Secondly, to indicates an infinitive when it precedes a verb.
I need to study
We want to help
He’s going to eat
Too
Too also has two uses. First, as a synonym for “also”:
Can I go too?
He went to France too
I think that’s Paul’s book too
Secondly, too means excessively when it precedes an adjective or adverb.
I’m too tired
He’s walking too quickly
I ate too much
Two
Two is a number.
One, two, three…
I have two cars
She ate two pieces of pie
The Bottom Line
The confusion between to, too, and two occurs because the three words are pronounced identically.
One: If you’re able to replace the word with “also” or “excessively/too much,” use too. Two: If the word is a number, use two. Otherwise, you’ll want to use to.
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You’re too legit to quit :P
I'm droppin' flava, my behavior is hereditary--but my technique is very necessary.
lol.
I figured we might as well get that up on this board somewhere.
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What’s it two you, nebby?
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by cocktailsfor2 on Jul 1, 2009 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions
Ugh, learning hurts my brain
Time to drink atleast two beers before it gets too late.
"So you think 25 percent of the country is retarded?! Yea. Atleast 25 percent. Well lets so a sample. There are 4 of us an you're retarded. Thats 25 percent." Southpark; Mystery of the Urinal Deuce
by gorillakilla34 on Jul 1, 2009 5:16 PM EDT up reply actions
isn't there a comma somewhere?
He went to France, too.
No idea
I normally stick with the word “also”.
Lot less confusion then.
:)
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Too bad there isn't an edit button
to be able to go change “you don’t get it” to “I don’t get it”…
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No Cy Young just good Jason Schmidt...
Me Sorry, confused for a second…
by huntingteacher on Jul 1, 2009 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm calling shenanigans
on any more references to the PBC keeping Jason Bay.
Theo “sorry to put you on hold but I’ve got Jesus Christ on the other line” Epstein gave up trying to sign Jason Bay to an extension this spring. Theo Epstein, who is sitting on DiceK type money, cannot sign Jason Bay!!
Jason Bay is going to be a free agent this fall. There is no way that NH could sign Bay to an extension if Theo Epstein can’t.
Morris, Luigi, Moss and Hansen was a sweet return for the PBC for 1 year and 2 months of rental of Bay. Is it being suggested that the PBC should have just let Bay go as a free agent and not traded him? Like they did with Barry Bonds?
But even if folks disagree with the return NH got, and I have no problem if they do (so long as they are articulate in their opposition), there is just no way that Jason Bay is a Pirate in 2010. Just get over it.
But we gave up on a prospect
Why do we always let the good players go? Why are we so cheap that we cannot sign them long term.
Sigh…….Sigh some more……..type…….delete the response………turn off the blog and go back to work.
I need to write a response and keep it for cut and paste.
Theo Epstein on the phone to Jesus Christ?
WTF – he’s Jewish!
by RDV across the sea on Jul 1, 2009 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions
You May Be Interested To Learn
That Jesus Christ was also Jewish.
by Androgen Jar Jimmy on Jul 1, 2009 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions
What Jesus Christ a Jew...no!
He’s not the Messiah, he’s a very naughty boy.
by RDV across the sea on Jul 1, 2009 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Splitter!
Free your ass and your mind will follow.
by cocktailsfor2 on Jul 1, 2009 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Oi vay
"So you think 25 percent of the country is retarded?! Yea. Atleast 25 percent. Well lets so a sample. There are 4 of us an you're retarded. Thats 25 percent." Southpark; Mystery of the Urinal Deuce
by gorillakilla34 on Jul 1, 2009 5:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Worst post ever, and I'll offer calm, reasonable truths to support that
You forgot Brian Giles.
Bay — we never would have had if we didn’t trade Giles. If we pay to “keep” Giles, then no Bay.
Giles — acquired in a trade, albeit a one-sided one in our favor.
Schmidt — acquired in a trade. If we had paid to “keep” Denny Neagle, then no Schmidt.
McLouth — you got me there, he was home grown.
“…………..On and on and on…….”
Umm, on and on where? Benson? Surely you wouldn’t have wanted to pay and keep him, would you? Ramirez? He wasn’t traded as part of any plan, he was traded as part of a non-plan as a matter of fact. Kendall? We did pay him, and boy did he make a difference. Who else?
ummm no they wont
the pirates have McCutchen under control for along time and Milledge… the revolving door ends this time because these are now HUNTINGTON’S AND COONELLY’S GUYS…. what dont u get????
Lets ask the audience:
1)Respect
2)Satisfaction
3)Action in the sack
4) all of the above
"So you think 25 percent of the country is retarded?! Yea. Atleast 25 percent. Well lets so a sample. There are 4 of us an you're retarded. Thats 25 percent." Southpark; Mystery of the Urinal Deuce
by gorillakilla34 on Jul 1, 2009 5:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Speak for yourself...
SOME of the audience gets plenty of #3.
SCHWING!
Free your ass and your mind will follow.
by cocktailsfor2 on Jul 1, 2009 5:53 PM EDT up reply actions
By that responce....I'm guessing that some doesn't include you ;-)
Just kidding buddy. I know ur the biggest pimp since Tony Plush.
"So you think 25 percent of the country is retarded?! Yea. Atleast 25 percent. Well lets so a sample. There are 4 of us an you're retarded. Thats 25 percent." Southpark; Mystery of the Urinal Deuce
by gorillakilla34 on Jul 1, 2009 9:50 PM EDT up reply actions
I think we have to fight this thing. Did you know that Bob Nutting is going to take away our guns and make us all convert to Islam?
I had a sneaking suspicion about him......
Word on the street is he is trying to convert us to the metric system two……. Damn! I forgot today’s lesson already.
"So you think 25 percent of the country is retarded?! Yea. Atleast 25 percent. Well lets so a sample. There are 4 of us an you're retarded. Thats 25 percent." Southpark; Mystery of the Urinal Deuce
by gorillakilla34 on Jul 1, 2009 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions
What? Its not the getting of good players, It's the Keeping part......
You don know they have been last or next to last 6 season’s. Dead last for past 3. What’s different? Start with mediocre team, trade good players for hopes and prayers, and finish last. What makes you think they will KEEP the good players they have?
Because it's a new GM and all?
We saw what DL did. We hated it.
We have no reason to believe NH is on the same path.
They’re not trading for hopes/prayers, they’re trading for actual prospects!
You know… guys with upside and skill and talent. I know it’s been hard to find that in Pittsburgh before, but NH is working on changing that… and doing well.
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Huntingteacher
If you would have read the blog or understand the Pirates or just baseball in general – you would realize the direction NH is taking with this ball club. The current squad at the MLB level is 5 games under .500 – the same exact spot they were in when they traded McClouth. Oh, and they were at the same level last year when they traded Bay, Nady and Marte.
If you look at what NH is doing, you will see a commitment to Latin America, more emphasis on the draft (no more Danny Moskos types) and trades which maximize the value of our players with a return of high upside players who project better than the players we gave up.
Keep going to PNC and getting your bobble heads, watching fireworks and grooving to the concerts. You will be the first one posting how you were with NH all the way….
Jason Bay is the best OF in the American League? Because he leads the league in RBIs? Because he leads the AL OF in All-Star voting? I’m going out on a limb here, I know, but that may have something to do with the market he’s playing in.
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by Androgen Jar Jimmy on Jul 1, 2009 11:00 AM EDT reply actions
Sorry, my typing is poor
I don’t profess to be a baseball expert. For sure. But trading a last place team for their problems seems wreckless. I keep going back to this point, and we both won’t know if this will change, but history all the way up to this week says the Pirates trade away your “prospects” before they get a winning team
Teach, You seem lost
Maybe you were looking for the PBC blog? Ya go dahn ere about three blocks and turn left. points
n’ at.
Free your ass and your mind will follow.
by cocktailsfor2 on Jul 1, 2009 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions
What prospects
has NH traded away? Morgan’s almost 30… not a prospect. Burnett was a prospect way long ago, not any more. Bay wasn’t a prospect. X-Man wasn’t a prospect. McLouth wasn’t a prospect. Mario/Freddy/Jack/Doumit… they’re not prospects.
Just because the Nats are in last place, doesn’t mean everyone sucks. His off-field issues (Milledge’s) see to be somewhat overblown… partially because he played in NY where everything is under scope. Let’s give the guy a shot before deciding that the Pirates just traded for the worst guy on the worst team.
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Jason Bay
Calm down, and keep your thoughts about baseball, and not attacking me. That’s how the Pirates want it. Keep the fans from uniting….
Jason Bay is the 5th best OF in the Majors by the way.
You don't cite examples, just generalizations
What “prospects” have we traded away that blossomed? Jason Schmidt? He was a salary dump and its not like we had anything to build around him. Aramis Ramirez? See Jason Schmidt.
Jason Bay was not a prospect. We traded him at peak value for a third baseman with high upside since we had zero depth at that position in the minors. We also received a promising pitcher who tore up the low minors and another outfielder with upside. Even with Bay we had a losing record. Would you have preferred we keep him and then lose him after this year when he is in line to receive a multiyear deal worth about 50 million (and he is 29)?
Aw, come on now
who doesn’t love an owner who can’t keep his mouth shut, harasses players, and generally acts like the biggest ass on the planet…
I'm droppin' flava, my behavior is hereditary--but my technique is very necessary.
On the plus side
he seems to have money to burn.
Maybe we could be the next coming of the Yankees… minus the Championships and the constant over-spending. Okay, fine… maybe we could be the Yankees of last year? For a season? Before we’d have to trade everyone?
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You mean before the team leaves.
I know everyone hates McClatchy, but the man worked a business model designed to keep the team in Pittsburgh, he did it. He had one goal, and succeeded. His investors weren’t baseball guys, his FO wasn’t either. They kept the team here, and now we have a better FO and PNC park, our team and an amazing decade of baseball futility. I’ll take that over no Pirates in town. People forget how close that was to reality.
by Phantaskippy on Jul 2, 2009 12:00 AM EDT up reply actions
Correction
He is a “Pittsburgh ass”. If you are from here, you can act like that and we will love it. Kind of like we can rip on our family, but no one else can….
You need to calm down
all you people are pissed because we trade these over hyped players away for good young talent???? maby if this team didnt suck your boy the 29 yr old no power lucky to hit 270 outfielder would be here…but the fact is this team cannot compete with anyone in that division… how can the pirates compete with the brewers BRAUN, FIELDER? Cardinals PUJOLS?DeROSA… Cubs LEE? ZAMBRANO? SORIANO? just to name a few the pirates cant compete with this teams talent…. now a year or 2 from now McCutchen, Milledge, Alvarez, Tabata they will be able to compete… oh and dont boycott the bucs just yet im sure all you know nothing fans will be pissed when we trade that cry baby Jack, Freddy, Grabow, and Adam LaRoche…. and the bucs might not be done there and i hope there not done… Neil Huntington makes smart baseball decisions… and he will bring this team back to real competition and all you fairweather fans that know nothing about baseball will see.
You are right BigB23
The PBC should just go ahead and schedule a fireworks night every night after the trading deadline. NH should also make a push to hire Obama’s speech writer and secret service because every Yinzer in town is going to march on PNC when the beloved Jack Wilson, Freddy Sanchez, Adam LaRoche, John Grabow and even the Mad Capper are traded away! The sever that houses this blog will melt due to that traffic!
lol yea everyone will be crying how could we trade JACK!!!!!! he only makes 8.5 mil a year and hasn’t helped this team have a winning season in 10 yrs! and hits about 2-3 HRS a year!!! oh my!!! haha but in all seriousness jack is a solid defensive player but hes not going to be part of the next great team… and these angry fans need to realize that… i seriously dont know how any body can even question Huntington…. Littlefields trade would bring us old washed up bums that sucked…. Huntingtons trade yes not all the players are going to work out but there all young players with a shit load of potential… to get a player with the tools of a Lastings Milledge for a 29 yr old first year starting outfielder thats ridiculous…thats the kinda trade littlefield used to make but the other way around! even if milledge crashes and burns those are still the type of deals that will get this franchise back to winning ways!
Money
Let’s talk money… How many players do we need to sign to big contracts. Pirates feel like nobody deserves the cash.
Aren’t the players themselves questioning the logic of these trades to the press. Oh, they don’t know what they are talking about either!!!!!
Let's talk money
This front office signed McClouth, Maholm and Doumit to long term deals and paid them money. They shelled out $6M to Alvarez. They are competing for 16 freakin’ year old once in a lifetime talet in the DR which will take at least $4M. They have committed $8.4M to Freddy next year and Jack would be in line for $6M.
Would you prefer we do a rent a player deal like Manny Ramirez or Adam Dunn? Wait, we tried that with Pat Mears, Terry Mulholland and Derek Bell and we……we didnt win and regressed as a franchise. Let’s say for the sake of argument we did sing Manny to a $10M a year deal. In a market such as ours, that means that we dont build state of the art facilities in up and coming countries such as the DR, we dont sign an Alvarez and choose a Moskos type that is easily singable and block a promising talent named McCutchen. Oh, and now Manny is hurt no wait, too female hormones and is gone 50 games.
Dude seriously – do your homework before you rant. Get on board because something great is happening here before your eyes and you are still bitter at Bonifay, McClatchy and Littlefield. Take a step back and actually look a the forest…..
sorry for the bad grammer
yinzer fans piss me off
The players who are whining the loudest
also suffered through years of mismanagement at the hands of past regimes who screwed our entire team and minor league system up to the point that we have no choice but to do what we’re doing. Does it suck? Yes. But guess what, they’re not going to be a part of the team when we’re finally ready to be a real major league ball club again, so who cares? They’re being selfish because they see the light at the end of their career tunnels fast approaching.
Last I checked, Jack Wilson was a shortstop, not a general manager…
It’s hard sometimes to see the forest for the trees.
I'm droppin' flava, my behavior is hereditary--but my technique is very necessary.
Baseball players
are conditioned not to look beyond the next at-bat or pitch. Most live-in-the-moment people I’ve ever met. They fully believe this: You can’t worry about yesterday, it’s gone; you can’t worry about tomorrow, it may never get here. There’s only the next at-bat/pitch. That’s why active players don’t get to make decisions about signings and trades, they’d all be made to win the game TODAY.
Who do you want to sign?
All the guys worth the money will be scooped up by teams that… have money!
Who out there deserves the cash? (And remember, the Pirates aren’t exactly overflowing in cash to the point that they can build a roster like the Yankees.)
Players… they question the logic of every move that involves moving a “friend”. The point is to win the game, not make friends. Making friends is nice, yes… but not at the expense of winning.
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But guysssss
NOBODY CAN REPLACE WHAT NYJER DID OFF THE FIELD :( :( :(
I'm droppin' flava, my behavior is hereditary--but my technique is very necessary.
The New Novel By Danielle Steele
Available at Barnes & Noble this week. Everybody will be reading “What Nyjer Did Off The Field”.
by Androgen Jar Jimmy on Jul 1, 2009 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Jimmy:
Keep it up, you’re gonna win Rookie Commenter of the Year.
And then we'll promptly trade you
just like the Pirates do with all of their stars, AMIRITE GUYS?!?
I'm droppin' flava, my behavior is hereditary--but my technique is very necessary.
We’ll go old school and trade you for three guys from the team forums who type in all caps and don’t know about punctuation.
by Phantaskippy on Jul 2, 2009 12:02 AM EDT up reply actions
Also:
(Emphasis mine)
#2 Symbolic acts – Stage a March. Think it as a Fans Right’s March, ending at the stadium, with a speeches[sic] from past players.
And who, pray tell, would be these “past players” speaking up against the FO? Derek Bell?
#4 Lobby to have the team taken over by the City, ala Green Bay Packers. Issue stock, and we could all own them, hire a real GM with intention of having a team not in last place.
Not even remotely possible. MLB cannot mandate or dictate the selling of teams (though they can block or deny potential owners from buying a team).
What makes you think NH in not building a team to contend in the future?
Are you just trolling, or are you really this naive?
Free your ass and your mind will follow.
Thanks for taking my rant serious....
I like your thinking. Who could come speak? Manny S. He is around and remembers the good times…
by huntingteacher on Jul 1, 2009 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions
Manny Sanguillen still WORKS for the Pirates. Why on God’s green earth would he come forward to drop a load of B.S. on the organization?
I’ve taken your rant “serious” only in that I think you are seriously misguided.
You do seem to have changed your thinking on this, however, so I’m happy to give you the benefit of the doubt.
Free your ass and your mind will follow.
by cocktailsfor2 on Jul 1, 2009 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions
That would be hilarious if a few fans staged a protest
and Derek Bell was the ring leader. Raul Mondesi could be his right hand man
"Everybody panic! If you have a small child, use it as a shield! They love tender meat."
I would pay to see that.
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by Sixty Feet, Six Inches on Jul 1, 2009 5:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Poor Hinske
no one bats an eye when he gets traded, and then the team trades another guy the same day, and Pittsburgh is about to go to war with the Pirates
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Hinske
didn’t have a cool nickname for the part of the field he played in… clearly he wasn’t as important as MLB Superstar Nyjer Morgan.
I'm droppin' flava, my behavior is hereditary--but my technique is very necessary.
I was expecting outrage for Hinske too.
Even though every yinzer got pissed every single time he was in the lineup.
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by Sixty Feet, Six Inches on Jul 1, 2009 5:41 PM EDT up reply actions
We suck, that's why
Because they have not been in last place for most of the decade…
by huntingteacher on Jul 1, 2009 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions
we were in last place because of inept management
We finally have a promising GM and President that have stocked our system with real talent. I know it is hard for yinzers to grasp, but we are actually in much better shape in the last 2 years than we have been since Syd Thrit. We all know the winner he built by good drafts (Barry Bonds) and smart trades (Tony Pena) and Rule 5 (Bobby Bonilla).
yea seriously if nyjer can cause this much…. oh baby hahahha wait til this whole teams gone lol Freddy, Jack, Adam, Grabow, Capps and possible Maholm or Duke……lol huntingteacher might commit suicide outside of pnc park.
I think
every “fan” might end up doing that.
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I might have to stay off of the Facebook group
or i mite strt typpin like this jake wilson (no lies, someone called him this) is an all-star im boycotting this team join my grup.
And it's funny
because this is one trade where most of the media (traditionally Pirate-bashers) seem to think the Pirates came out on top.
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I noticed that too. This is such an obviously good move by the Pirates that even Buster Olney and John Kruk realize it. If that’s not the definition of a no-brainer, I don’t know what is.
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by Sixty Feet, Six Inches on Jul 1, 2009 5:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Nyjer was fun. Some fans came to accept that they were buying tickets to jeer opposing players, cheer for Nyjer, and drink.
Come sit in the bleacher reserved sometime, I’ll miss Nyjer so much. Doesn’t mean I don’t like the trade, I just loved the fun Nyjer brought when there wasn’t an opposing player to heckle.
I do like baseball, but I also enjoy heckling, it’s a disease.
by Phantaskippy on Jul 2, 2009 12:06 AM EDT up reply actions
Ok Ok
A first on this, and any blog sight I’ve been too. I’ll change my stance a bit and agree you may be right… I’ll calm down, and not organize a revolution. I’ve waited 17 years for success, or just medicrity, I’ll wait, what 2 more years.
You all seem like you know what your talking about. So ok, lets see how this goes. I am from Pittsburgh but have watched from afar since the 80’s so I am sure I’m not as in tune to things as some.
Why is it that on any blog I’ve seen, people always resort to personal name calling after a few lines of banter….
I have to go pick green beans in my garden, are the players themselves dumbasses like me. Because they are reacting just like I am. Later..
no the players are not dumbasses
they are people who enjoyed working with their friend who was let go. They are pissed off their buddy is gone. We dont need chemistry to win, we just need to win. Winning is the best chemistry builder.
I knew I shouldn't have slept in
seems like I missed and interesting show
"Everybody panic! If you have a small child, use it as a shield! They love tender meat."
Early bird
get the yinzer.
Free your ass and your mind will follow.
by cocktailsfor2 on Jul 1, 2009 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions
2 for 1 down on Carson and 23rd every Monday.
by Phantaskippy on Jul 2, 2009 12:08 AM EDT up reply actions
Probably because this banter
gets tired for regular posters. Every so often you get people who come over here and tell us we are stupid because we actually like the direction of the franchise. We are not the typical yinzer who says “same old Pierts”. We actually see the direction and acknowledge that this GM has it togeether better than his predecessors of the past 16 years.
Yo HuntingTeacher
You are a moron. Shortsighted fool. I’m on board with Neil and Frank!
Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering.
There's really no need for that.
Free your ass and your mind will follow.
by cocktailsfor2 on Jul 1, 2009 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions
lol
after living through DL, it’ll probably take more than 1 bone-headed move.
Depending, of course, on the bone-headed-ness of the move.
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As admirable as this sounds
These trades were good, farsighted, intelligent trades. We have to the face the facts, we are the Detroit Lions of baseball and we would all call them stupid if they went out and signed big name free agents or jealously held onto their veterans. As a baseball organization, the gap is even greater because our farm system absolutely stunk two years ago. Neil has turned it into above average and we are looking at a very promising and young (aka CHEAP - we can’t expect to win with 30 year old superstars because we don’t have the money to pay one, much less multiple - we need players who are still in arbitration as our stars mixed with some cheap veterans and other young CHEAP role players) lineup in about 3-4-5 years.
If we had held onto Bay, Morgan, McClouth, Nady, and if we hold onto Wilson, Sanchez, Doumit, Grabow, A. Laroche, etc (not saying we need to trade all of these, but at least some of them will be traded, so be prepared) where would we be.
If you look at the big picture and not today, these are smart moves.
by McCutchenIsTheTruth on Jul 1, 2009 1:02 PM EDT reply actions
Green beans are good !!!
If we still had held on to Bay, McClouth, Schmidt, and A. Ramirez, we’d have an awesome lineup and a pitching staff vastly improved. We’d be in contention and maybe a trade or two away from first place. Really!!!!
Outfielders we traded in last 18 months or less: Bay, McClouth, Nady, Morgan.
Don’t we need at least 3 starting OF?? Ok so now we settle for what we have and some future prospects. Infield, let’s get rid of Doumit, who when health may be the 2nd best catcher in the league. So how long does that put us away from contention??? Most teams have several stars and allot of pretty good players. We get rid of the stars and pray the prospects become stars. Round and round we go, when it stops, nobody knows..
I live closer to Cinn Oh now, and get more Reds news. They are similar to the Pirates, a little better at running their team, but no where close to contention themselves. I
hope they are on a better path now, but you all don’t understand how far down the Pirates are at this point. They must make several more good moves to get into 4th place…….
if, if, if...
If a frog had wings, it wouldn’t whomp it’s ass on the ground every time it jumped.
You are talking about some very average players. McLouth (note correct spelling), Morgan and Nady were all traded at a “sell-high” point in their careers.
Bay was NOT going to re-sign with the Bucs as a FA.
Schmidt & ARam were traded away by a completely diiferent FO.
Free your ass and your mind will follow.
by cocktailsfor2 on Jul 1, 2009 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Plus
schmidt and ARam would likely have been gone by now, especially Schmidt who would have sought bug bucks after his two good years (where is he now, nobody knows)
No way
First off, stop mentioning Jason Schmidt. He’s been hurt for the last two years and has not been good since 2006. He also makes 15.5 million dollars this year, waaaaaayyyyyyy more than anyone on this team which means he would not be here. And adding him alone would make the “pitching staff vastly improved” as you say? HA
Secondly, A-Ram wouldnt be here either if the Pirates would have waited to ‘try’ and sign him. He also makes about 15.5 million dollars this year, again noooooo waaaayyyy the Pirates have the money to sign him.
Also, when they traded those two guys they had a different front office which stunk. Now the Pirates have a GM that knows what he is doing. You need to realize those trades were different than the ones the team has made recently with Bay, Nady, McLouth, etc.
In the past the trades were terrible and now the Pirates are actually making intelligent trades for players with upside and everyone continues to complain.
Doumit the second best catcher in the league???? Um no. First off, hes never healthy, secondly I can think of a handful off the top of my head Id rather have.
Most of what I just said is meaningless because you should already know all of this. I say you do some research and look at the moves Littlefield made and compare them to what NH is doing. Youll see a difference. Also, take a look at the minor league talent we had with Littlefield and what the Pirates have now. Basically, you need to separate the front office decisions and see the difference and stop with the “what if” garbage.
You wanted to talk about money before
Schmidt – oft injured and making 15.5 million this year
A. Ram – injured this year – 15.5 million this year
This equals 31 million. Having these players this year would equal us contending – right? What about our farm system? What about the DR? What about the draft? Hard to be financially flexible when 32M of your 50M payroll would be tied to two players. Real smart! Why dont you get a clue before you post – seriously. Intelligent discussion is welcomed and the occasional rant tolerated, but you are clueless.
If we had all those guys
we don’t have Ohlie. If they make us semi-good, we don’t land Duke or Maholm.
Doumit has a nice bat. But he’s a horrible catcher defensively… at least when guys are running on him. What it does is give us someone behind the plate who can actually throw out runners. How long does it put us away? They’ve been aiming for 2011 or so since they (NH and all) took over. They’re still on that path… and we’re way better off now than we were when DL left.
Schmidt would be gone with a huge contract the Pirates couldn’t have offered. Same with A-Ram. Bay would be gone after this season. So our rotation would be… um, Ian Snell?
By good moves, you mean not trading any of the fan faves and trading for (names over-the-hill guy that is well known)? Is it worth giving up the next 3 years to get to 4th place this year? (Wasn’t that the DL approach?)
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Assuming we have a better record
do we have a shot to draft him?
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Wow
You are right. What is your solution then? How would you have NH proceed differently? We have tried everything else except spending $220M on payroll – btw, how is that working out for the Yankees?
Big Newk – Milledge was not picked up as a power bat and no where does NH say that. We traded a guy who hit .190 out of spring training and was caught stealing in 1 of every 3 attempts – btw, he is 29. We took a shot at a guy with huge upside. Oh, and name me one team who has won a WS in the last decade with at left fielder with 2 HRs and 27RBIs at the All Star Break. If you are going to rant – at least understand the parameters of the trade.
Oh and huntingteacher (aka Troll) – one moron agreed with you on a rant that is completely irrelevant and you win right?
The End!!!!!!!!!!!!
Troll LMAO
Ok, what we are saying is the Pirates should not spend much. We can’t afford the really good players. So I should shut up about us getting rid of the really good players, but if we trade for prospects and they become good, then we can’t keep them, cause we don’t have the payroll. Round and Round we go!!!!!
I might start the revolt again. Geesh….
Don’t call me a Troll, I’m sensitive of my weight….
Huntington
has plainly said that he would spend money when he has good team. That is not now but it will be. But because the Pirates are small market they will undoubtedly lose some of there good players which is why you have more waves of prospects behind them and another wave behind them and round and round we go!!!
That’s what we didn’t have under Littlefield. We had a below average team that refused to fully rebuild and sell high because the fans would get angry that they were giving up on reaching .500 so they showed some effort by signing high priced free agents that were over the hill. Now there is a GM in place that will prospects followed by more prospects to back up the stars that will be in the majors when a couple of them will leave. Just like the Rays and the Twins will likely lose some of their talent but you know what…they stay in contention every year despite trading Santana’s because they have more prospects behind them. That’s how you win.
Again.
What do you think NH should do? Keep the players until their contracts run out, and then let them leave for nothing? How does that build a winner?
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I hate to get too personal VanSlyke
but even your name is dated to a good player from back in the day. He played here for 7 years, (15 years ago he left)
And he was finished when he did.
I gotta ask you, huhting, and I’m treating you seriously:
1. What’s your background? You say you’ve been watching the Pirates from afar. Where are you now, where did you come from?
2. How did you arrive here? Did you find a link from another blog, land here from Google? Have you read anything here beyond the past day or so to see what you were wading into?
3. Because I’m fascinated by people who do this: Why do you think it’s OK for you to come here and tell us what morons we are for drinking the Kool-Aid, but get all sniffy and offended when someone calls you a dolt? I see this happen at other blogs too, and I’m just astonished at the sense of entitlement and righteousness that accompanies someone with that mindset. So help me out here, show me you’re just having a Jack Wilson day.
1987-1994
He played here for eight years, and he left in 1995, which is fourteen years ago.
by Androgen Jar Jimmy on Jul 1, 2009 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions
All I Know Is
I want this guy in my keeper fantasy league for money.
by Androgen Jar Jimmy on Jul 1, 2009 2:18 PM EDT reply actions
Is This Just a Rouse?
“Calm down, and keep your thoughts about baseball, and not attacking me. That’s how the Pirates want it. Keep the fans from uniting….”
That’s my favorite line, by far.
Seriously is this just some big joke to get all of us to comment, because if so, it’s working. Like is this maybe Charlie’s alternate account for when he wants to push more traffic to the site or let out his inner Pittsburgh fandom?
Either way, I’m calling shenanigans on this whole created fan post. It can’t be real.
PS, cocktails I’m banning you from using your frog wings saying — I’ve seen it used on this site far too many times.
It's only
the second time.
:-(
(sniff)
Free your ass and your mind will follow.
by cocktailsfor2 on Jul 1, 2009 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Ok Troll
Round and Round we will go. You obviously have no idea how to build a contender. All you do is keep saying “round and round we go”.
Unlike other blogs, we wont name call you if you bring up intelligent points. How would you do things differently than was tried the past 17 years? Don’t just come on here, insult the posters and keep saying the same damn thing. Act intelligently, cite examples and make your arguement.
Not the past 17 years
the first 15 of those don’t count. It’s not rebuilding if you trade guys for obviously crappy guys (A-Ram trade) or sign over-the-hill vets in the chase for .500.
What would you have done differently over the past 2 or so years (since NH took over)?
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Lack of Perspective?
Its on!!! Which one of you wack jobs actually owns this site? Nobody, exactly, just feels like it cause your on it everyday!! I grew up in Pittsburgh, graduated from Highlands H.S. and play fantasy baseball pretty seriously. Which means nothing, but I do follow the players pretty closely. Your right, if I’m complaining about the last 17 years, but you all believe we are just year 2 of the rebuild program, then I need to chill and be more patient. I have been hoping that trades for the future would finally work out into good teams.
Please get a life, you all are wound too tight.
by huntingteacher on Jul 1, 2009 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions
See, that's the thing.
This isn’t fantasy baseball. You don’t get to re-draft players every year. You build from the bottom up. And that includes the decimated farm system that was left behind by DL.
The Pirates FO aren’t fantasy baseball owners, that start with the same dollar amount everyone else does every year.
Did you draft Nyjer Morgan for your fantasy team? Or Sean Burnett? Or Hinske? Or Nady last year? I’m sure that if you did, you’d be in the cellar of your league. Just like the Pirates. If you drafted McLouth, how’s his average working for your team? I’m willing to bet anything that you don’t have Jack Wilson.
As far as your “replace ownership” diatribe, it ain’t gonna happen No way, no how, as I described earlier.
Get used to it. Sit back, relax, and look for this team to really start competing in the next couple of years. If you don’t have a couple of years, fine. That’s your prerogative. But please don’t come here and start talking out of your rear end. Particularly without backing up your assertions with facts.
Have a great day. I hope you win your fantasy league.
Free your ass and your mind will follow.
by cocktailsfor2 on Jul 1, 2009 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Nice
Keep ripping on the posters. You are just upset because you come on here and just piss and moan about how shitty the team has been the past 17 years without offering anything constructive.
Let me repeat what several of us have asked. What woudl you do differently that NH has not done?
Name Calling
Most of what I’ve said has been objective banter, some silly ranting, and a little poking fun. Again, chill out. I bet if I continue to post, someone is going to fall down in their living room and throw a full blown hissy fit. I feel like I am back at work.
You have not like my suggestions of getting an owner willing to spend money, and keeping the good players, even high priced ones. The Marlins get good, win, then suck for a couple years and do it all over. That would be a hugh leap from where we’ve come from. You do realize we only need 4-5 studs on the team, along with 2-3 aces. We have most everything else, as do most teams. Injuries are a hugh part of winning and losing in the Majors. We don’t get more than 2 good star players before we trade. That’s all I’ve been saying.
This has been kind of fun. Sorry if I’ve rankled the nuthouse. I’m just carrying on.
Please get a life, you all wound too tight.
The End!!!!!!!!!!!!
by Androgen Jar Jimmy on Jul 1, 2009 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions
What do you want Bob Nutting to spend money on?
Jeromy Burnitz? Joe Randa? Those are the only types of players who would be willing to come to Pittsburgh. Since he became the Principal Owner of the franchise in January 2007, Nutting has spent money where rebuilding teams need to, like on the draft and Latin America.
Getting an owner willing to spend… You can’t just make the current owner sell the team. Plus, based on NH’s moves (draft, Latin America, etc.)… he’s willing to spend. Sure, he can’t go out and afford A-Rod or something. But he’s willing to spend… and NH will go get players when he feels he’s built a solid contender. Which they’re not yet. I don’t know how you plan on bringing in a new owner.
Keeping all the good players… why? How? They’ll leave. You see the money Bay will be asking for? No way the Pirates could afford that. If they keep him, then instead of receiving Little LaRoche & Moss (and 2 others), they end up getting nothing. How does that help you win?
You bring up the Marlins… how did they ‘become good’? They traded all their ‘stars’ (Pierre, Castillo, Beckett, Cabrera, etc.) for youngsters that were in the minors (Ramirez, their pitchers, etc.) and found Uggla in the Rule-5 draft. That’s what NH is working on… except that most of his players currently aren’t valued as highly as the players of the Marlins were when they were dealt. So NH isn’t getting the next Hanley Ramirez, he needs to settle on other prospects that aren’t valued as highly by their respective teams. Doesn’t mean they’re not good… just means they’re not the #1 prospect in the organization, but instead #3 or 4 or 5. As for the Marlins trades… they dealt Cabrera. He was young & good, but they realized they couldn’t afford him, and they dealt him. Same reason you occasionally hear rumors of Uggla on the market. They build up the youngsters. They all come up together, and they play together. Then, they get expensive and get dealt.
Let the Pirates get that far, they’ll be doing the same thing. But everyone’s complaining before NH can even stock the minors.
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I dont even know where to begin....
Good luck with the revolt.
Vanslyke
You have potential, its just your negative attitude towards the tax on our loyalty. Yes tax on our loyalty. I said it. Let me be the first to tell the King (Selig) that we will not stand by and watch another game lost in the 7th inning because we have no closer. Never again will we wonder why we listen to the game on the radio when good conservative radio abounds with good ideas to fix things. How bad is it when the Brewers seem like a good team. My god, Milwaukee fields a better team than Pittsburgh. They suck too, just better. I got to go and take the kids to the Dr and get a bite to eat. Peace out.
Milwaukee
they have a ton of youth because while DL was destroying our farm, they started drafting well (Fielder, Weeks, Hardy, Braun, etc.)
They have the youth, so they compete. They have the farm, so they can go make a trade for Sabathia in hopes of winning it all.
The Buccos are working on both (youth, farm) but are currently way behind in both.
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Okay. Now I'm Sure You're Just A Troll
DO NOT FEED THE TROLLS
by Androgen Jar Jimmy on Jul 1, 2009 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Yea!
Now lets start a wave!
"So you think 25 percent of the country is retarded?! Yea. Atleast 25 percent. Well lets so a sample. There are 4 of us an you're retarded. Thats 25 percent." Southpark; Mystery of the Urinal Deuce
by gorillakilla34 on Jul 1, 2009 5:29 PM EDT up reply actions
HEY I ACTUALLY LIKE THE WAVE
Seriously! It’s fun!
by Androgen Jar Jimmy on Jul 1, 2009 5:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Sounds fun
though I’ve never seen the wave performed well online.
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Wave in progress
How the hell do we go back to the left side of the page with replies. AHHHHHHHHH
Rehabbing my kitchen at night
Hannity, Cannon, Bucco Game, Rocco and Savage. It is sweet reprieve between Hannity and Savage. By the time you get 5 seconds in of Savage, you feel like the country is in hell and Obama the re-incarnation of Hitler, Stalin, Satan and Jimmy Carter all rolled into one. The most negative conservatives ever, but none of them have a thing on Quinn.
The whole world is negative myfriend
one side just sticks it to you with a smile on their faces
"So you think 25 percent of the country is retarded?! Yea. Atleast 25 percent. Well lets so a sample. There are 4 of us an you're retarded. Thats 25 percent." Southpark; Mystery of the Urinal Deuce
by gorillakilla34 on Jul 1, 2009 9:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Best Response Ever
I may steal that quote :)
Too late dude......trademark pending
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by gorillakilla34 on Jul 2, 2009 8:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Man, I think this guy is paid for by Dave Littlefield.
Gotta be dissin’ the moves made by Coonelly and Huntington.
Paid By?
Prove that he isn’t Dave Littlefield.
by Androgen Jar Jimmy on Jul 1, 2009 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Beat me to it.
Free your ass and your mind will follow.
by cocktailsfor2 on Jul 1, 2009 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Bring out the pitch-forks!
The team just released Craig Monroe.
There go the playoffs.
/sarcasm
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HuntingTeacher
Look at the these two teams have operated.. The Florida Marlins and the Tampa Bay Rays. As a small market team, you CANNOT win with a bunch of veteran superstars as I stated earlier. It simply costs too much. Our options are twofold, we all stop living in houses and spending money and instead work to support the Pirates
OR
We build a deep farm system and develop it. We then get a young, talented, CHEAP (on arbitration) core (McCutchen, LaRoche… whoever else develops (Alvarez, Tabata, Hernandez, Sanchez), add in a few veteran free agents, and the year we make a push, possibly trade a few of our prospects (we have from our deep farm system) at the trade deadline and hopefully win a world series… BUT then when our players hit free agency and demand big contracts, you trade them away in a fire sale and restock the farm system
That’s how the Marlins won two World Series and how the Rays are in contention (Their Core – B.J Upton, Evan Longoria, Young Pitching Staff, Veterans – Pena, Burrell, Trades – They attempted to get Bay last year and don’t be surprised if they make a move this deadline.)
That’s how we are gonna do it, aight?
by McCutchenIsTheTruth on Jul 1, 2009 6:26 PM EDT reply actions
Dont waste your time
arguing. We have made that point ad nauseum though you have articulated it well my friend.
I just realized that Huntingteacher is Neal Huntington’s sneaky web alias. Rabble rousing oppostion to the point of ridiculousness to sway people to his side. Well played Neal you clever bastard.
RIP NATE. RIP TONY PLUSH
PTI last night
Pardon the Interuption, Wilbon and Bob Ryan discussed the Pirates yesterday and agreed with everything I have stated. The Pirates make these same moves over and over and don’t seem as interested at building a good team as much as you all think. I hope those at church have the faith you all do in the current GM.
What if they just move players around to make money, save money, and it really is not about winning. Ever consider a businessman in America may be just motivated by Money.. Wilbon and Bob Ryan are the best. Theysee the big picture.
Wilbon and Bob ryan
also don’t know anything except what is reported as trades, are they baseball experts or pittsburgh experts..no. You might want to reconsider your sources. Or you know, you could not, it just means more tickets for us and a chance for an ‘I told you so’ here in the next few years
I’m surprised either one of them is aware that baseball is played in Pittsburgh. I bet they couldn’t name three Pirates to save their lives.
True kind of...
They do know Pirates players names, Bay, Mclouth, Ramirez…. Its hard to keep
up with the names, they are spread out over the league.
Its also true they only cover major sporting teams. Not AAA teams. Pittsburgh is AAAA at this point guys.
by huntingteacher on Jul 2, 2009 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions
You have to be kidding.
You really think THEY now don’t know what they are talking about. Bob Ryan may be one of the best sports writers in the world. Wilbon is certainly no slouch either. They both write for two of the largest newspapers in the country, and PTI is the most popular sports news show on the air.
But you and the boys are smarter because you listen to KDKA and subscribe to the Post Gazette. That makes you experts…
by huntingteacher on Jul 2, 2009 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions
P.S.
For the folks just reading along, the brain trust are deciding if they should attack my grammar, manhood, or bravado for coming to THEIR website and casting these disbursions about the team.
Give me a winner or move the team,
General Scott
Too bad you can't be bothered
to answer my post above about money.
Free your ass and your mind will follow.
by cocktailsfor2 on Jul 2, 2009 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Seriously?
If you want me to argue against you I can, but I don’t have the time or energy to spend on you
Really
But you have the time and energy to keep posting on game thread. I think you know I’m kind of right, just no point in belaboring the point. I am tiring of the debate on if the
Pirates really want to win. I might join in from time to time to annoy you a bit though. :) Just kidding. Take care, and I’m going to Troll on to another site.
You
have no concept of time and energy then..Maybe i didn’t want to get into a long drawn out argument that goes no where…again…but I guess that concept didn’t come into your mind. So long, have fun with the revolution that will accomplish nothing in the long run.
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