Pirates vs. Phillies, 11 July 2009
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Moss on the pine even after his huge bomb…
by Gorkys n' Beans on Jul 11, 2009 6:23 PM EDT reply actions
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CF ’Cutch!
2 Freddy
LF Jones
C Doumit
RF Young
1 Mario
3 Luigi
SS Angry Jack
P Princeton
Bench
OF Mossome
2/SS/3 Vazquez
2/SS/3 Cruz
C JJ
OF Salazar
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i m mostly in favor of a platoon where players are not really distinguishing themselves, but after the 2 bombs in the 9th, I really hoped Moss would get a chance to fail- just in case, he is getting hot. Maybe having GJ slug HRs and threatening a starting job might have a positive effect on Moss.
It’s not like Delwyn is killing lefties this year or all-time, either. It’s just another stupid lineup decision by JR.
by Gorkys n' Beans on Jul 11, 2009 6:37 PM EDT up reply actions
…brought to you by the same people who gave Pearce only 12 at-bats in two weeks.
by Gorkys n' Beans on Jul 11, 2009 6:40 PM EDT up reply actions
well, moss has looked really really bad on some first pitch swings, but mostly he swings at balls too low in the zone and misses, and a lot of those are low fastballs, not breaking balls or changeups, so I dont want to crucify JR for platooning him. Moss did only have those 2 bombs in the 9th. Still, if there’s a chance he might get hot, that would be worth taking I guess!
In JRs defense
Pearce freaking sucks.
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by Sixty Feet, Six Inches on Jul 11, 2009 10:20 PM EDT up reply actions
He hasn't been killing anyone...
the last 3 weeks…7 for 35…a .200 average.
Troo dat,
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by cocktailsfor2 on Jul 11, 2009 7:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Eric Hinske
with 2 HR and 3 RBI against LAA today
If I m not wrong, he hit 1 for the pirates all season!
Hinske and his replacement Jones are now tied with 3 HR after the trade.
by Gorkys n' Beans on Jul 11, 2009 6:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Line up
I like the line up except I would have Andy hit 6th and Adam hit 7th. As for Moss, I would let him sit. Last time we tried to force him into a regular role, he started slumping vs RHP as well.
Holy $@#!
unbelievable
"Everybody panic! If you have a small child, use it as a shield! They love tender meat."
well it doesn't seem that the Giants will Maked that 2B Sanchez for SP Sanchez now
When are we going to trade Cutch now
lets see now that's 4 HR in 35 AB
A little better than Moss.
by Pensburgh Pirates on Jul 11, 2009 7:14 PM EDT reply actions
just wait there is a reason he had shots at the big league and never stayed
joeboo can’t hit curve ball
When are we going to trade Cutch now
That's got
nothing to do with Moss, now, does it? Moss is being platooned with DY.
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by cocktailsfor2 on Jul 11, 2009 7:16 PM EDT up reply actions
He is now
but only because he needed the help
by Pensburgh Pirates on Jul 11, 2009 7:17 PM EDT up reply actions
???
Still doesn’t answer the question.
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by cocktailsfor2 on Jul 11, 2009 7:19 PM EDT up reply actions
young didn't start with the bucs
Moss had many chances last year, and many more this year to stake a claim on RF. He’s been unsuccessful, at establishing his bat. JR is just looking to get more. DY has been a decent hitter, so let him have at it. In the long run it may help Moss, DY and the pirates.
by Pensburgh Pirates on Jul 11, 2009 7:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Moss played
less than half a season last year. 45 games. That’s “many chances?”
Let’s just disagree, okay?
That way, we can both get back to slagging Mario.
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by cocktailsfor2 on Jul 11, 2009 7:27 PM EDT up reply actions
agreed
I guess I’d just like to see Moss live up to the hype, that’s all. He’s been a solid player this year, but maybe next year, or even the back end of this season he’ll be better. Until then though I don’t think it’s fair to bash JR if he’s trying to optimize his peices. I mean the Bucs need to look at all their players, hard, and figure out who’s a good fit where – in the future.
by Pensburgh Pirates on Jul 11, 2009 8:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Why in **** is JR hitting him 3rd.
I hate JR.
Statistically
the 3rd spot is the spot that has more at bats with no one on. JR must know that right?
Which is why...
LaRussa bats his pitchers 8th. Having the 9th batter a position player means a better chance of having more runners on (after the 1st inning) when Phat Albert comes up.
A little patronizing, don't you think?
Jones is a statistical outlier, but that doesn’t mean no one wants him to succeed. Granted, I’m just playing devil’s advocate.
DY
bringing out the wood
"Everybody panic! If you have a small child, use it as a shield! They love tender meat."
That’s funny. DY hits a bomb and the wind must be blowing out. Moss hits a bomb and he justifies himself as the starting RF.
Thunder said nothing of the kind.
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by cocktailsfor2 on Jul 11, 2009 7:38 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't get how Adam can be put in front of Andy
"Everybody panic! If you have a small child, use it as a shield! They love tender meat."
Neal wants to trade him
I could definitely deal with Moss in LF, DY in RF, and Jones at 1st
"Everybody panic! If you have a small child, use it as a shield! They love tender meat."
Do you really think
LaRoche is better than Monix?
"Everybody panic! If you have a small child, use it as a shield! They love tender meat."
I can tell that but.........
his trade value get’s less and less the more he plays, just like his batting average.
Very, very pretty pitch for the K
"Everybody panic! If you have a small child, use it as a shield! They love tender meat."
means he's....
told old for some fans on this site who think he shouldn’t be getting at bats because his minor league stats don’t project enough.
Nate was more costly and brought us a guy who may turn out to be our best starter plus two other quality prospects.
not be fooled by facts.....
McLouth didn’t “project” either, but was a little younger when he got his opportunitiy. Jones had less than 80 career ML at bats as of July 1 this year.
You're joking, right?
McLouth posted a career minor league OPS of almost .800 (which is just about what his major league career OPS is) despite being young for his level every single season. He displayed great doubles power (which is a very significant indicator for future home run power) and very good patience. Nate projected as exactly what he is, an average major league bat. Our front office was just full of morons at the time.
800 OPS isn't exactly....
a great projection for a corner OF. And I think his power came as a bit of a surprise. Not saying he shouldn’t have been playing, just saying his numbers weren’t amazing. No one in our organization or any other thought he would be as good as he was last year.
Nate wasn't just a corner OF
He appears to have roughly split time between LF and CF. An 800 OPS is pretty good from the CF position (although of course offset a good bit by Nate’s lack of defensive ability there).
The power isn’t a surprise when, like I said, you look at his doubles. Minor league doubles hitters who show some HR pop, such as Nate, tend to turn those doubles into homers as they age.
Nate OPS+ed 126 in his age-26 season, likely his peak year. That’s good, especially from the CF position, but it’s not super awesome, either. It really wasn’t that hard to see Nate doing what he did. Which makes it all the more damning that Littlebrain didn’t.
For what little it adds.....
he is under our control for the next six years. The next three at about $500K/per.
He may be oldish
but he’s not bad enough to not be starting regularly on this team. I don’t currently see a player that deserves playing time over him.
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referably
@1B A.M. (After Mario)
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by cocktailsfor2 on Jul 11, 2009 7:36 PM EDT up reply actions
your unfortunately right about that
If he’s able to produce, who cares. Maybe down the road we can trade him for something else.
by Pensburgh Pirates on Jul 11, 2009 7:36 PM EDT up reply actions
rememeber everyone was high on craig Monroe with his 3run HRs. and look where he is now
When are we going to trade Cutch now
Yeah, but that’s ALL Craig Monroe could do. He couldn’t hit for average. He couldn’t run at all. It was HR or bust for Monroe. Jones is very intriguing.
Does this mean
you’ve burned your Monroe jersey?
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by cocktailsfor2 on Jul 11, 2009 7:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Did they even make
Monroe jerseys?
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Ok...
assume for a minute that the way Jones is producing is for real. What does it say about our organization’s talent evaluation that he spent the last 3 months at Indianapolis??
We signed him as a minor league
free agent in the offseason, and to be fair, his numbers career-wise weren’t off the charts. He had a good three months and we brought him up. Nothing wrong with the process.
do the pirates always
have to have a starting pitcher throw at least 20 in the 1st inning …cheese n rice!!!!
That doesn't bother me so much
2 outs…just focus on the batter. Ohlie a job well done
"Everybody panic! If you have a small child, use it as a shield! They love tender meat."
Ohlendorf needs to keep throwing that inside fastball to lefties that tails back over the inside corner of the plate. He’s spotting it perfectly and the ump’s giving him that strike.
Anything to keep the pitch count down…24 in the first inning, yikes
by pittbluedevil on Jul 11, 2009 7:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Yep Andy bats behind his brother
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Cutch!
Bomb!
"Everybody panic! If you have a small child, use it as a shield! They love tender meat."
What are the chances
Duke murders someone tonight?
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I would
I think they said last night that his last 5 losses the pirates have scored 8 runs for him total
When are we going to trade Cutch now
Yep.
Now it’s 8 losses on the season, and 10 runs total. 3 of them came 2 games ago against the Fish.
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I think Duke is going to be traded
down here in Texas they said the Rangers were interested in dealing for him
and he is a Texas boy so
When are we going to trade Cutch now
ha
i doubt it
but they do have the best farm system in the league
When are we going to trade Cutch now
I know. Wishful thinking, right? What about Chris Davis? I know he’s sucked this year with all the strikeouts and the demotion, but he’s still young and has HUGE power.
thats what i was hoping
it matches NH sell high buy low mentality
When are we going to trade Cutch now
I don't know if Duke garners a power hitter
But I like the Idea of trading him to Texas. Maybe we can swing Andrus and end the question of who’ll take over for Jack?
by Pensburgh Pirates on Jul 11, 2009 8:07 PM EDT up reply actions
ya i would think they would hold on to there 20 yr old SS phenom
When are we going to trade Cutch now
yeah probably
But its fun to dream
I’d think Duke would fetch a stopgap SS, someone not unlike Vazquez, and a pair of other minor leaguers. Following the Bucs trades, I think its fair to say they’ll instead trade Duke for 2-3 pitchers and one CF.
by Pensburgh Pirates on Jul 11, 2009 8:53 PM EDT up reply actions
So, if Mario leaves
1- Jones
RF- Young
CF- ’Cutch!
LF- Moss
Is that right? (just curious)
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Until Milledge, probably.
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by cocktailsfor2 on Jul 11, 2009 7:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Then a Moss/DY platoon like we are seeing now
"Everybody panic! If you have a small child, use it as a shield! They love tender meat."
I think when/if Mario is traded, Milledge will be promoted. If Young and Moss both keep producing, I think the platoon will continue.
I don't know
Milledge should probably have to show something first. We could see benchwarmer Pearce called up again or something.
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Nice
I don’t know if you can consider Jones an actual prospect or what not, but if he can keep this up, I have no problem with him playing.
I just hate that they keep taking at-bats from Moss, especially right after Moss shows some positive signs (solid at-bat v. Lidge last night)
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For now, probably
However, Milledge may take time away from Moss and Young later on.
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Listening to the game, but
doing some work. The beer for tonight is Erdinger Hefe Weizen. It’s a clear, almost black beer and you can almost taste the grain in it. Cheers.
attaway, Trogs.
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by cocktailsfor2 on Jul 11, 2009 7:42 PM EDT up reply actions
it is but in hefe they bleach the wheat. gives it a lighter wheat flavor
try Dunken if you like it thick
you will love it
When are we going to trade Cutch now
I actually have a Dunkle
in the fridge, but I’m saving it for tomorrow. The best I ever found was a tripl boch in a small town northwest of Munich.
At Indy...
Game 1 in bottom of 7th (last inning unless Bautista implodes). Indy up 7-3.
Milledge 2-3 with a SB
Pearce 1-1 with a bases loaded 3-run double and 3 walks.
D Cutch 6 IP, 8 H, 3 ER, 0 BB, 3 K.
Pearce
maybe some other team will like his numbers enough to trade for him?
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Ah, such a nice dream…
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by cocktailsfor2 on Jul 11, 2009 7:47 PM EDT up reply actions
HA!
Perhaps we could get a case of new jockstraps.
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by cocktailsfor2 on Jul 11, 2009 7:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Well,
since we no longer have Joggin’ Ronny, that might not be a bad deal…
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by cocktailsfor2 on Jul 11, 2009 7:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Is it time to make D Cutch a reliever?
His K total isn’t terribly impressive.
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K total
isn’t that true of most of the starters on our team? Or are his totals even worse?
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The whiff.
BENCH HIM!
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by cocktailsfor2 on Jul 11, 2009 7:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Bench him?
It’s time to send him down to AA!
I miss NyjMo…
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Ha!
(sniff) me, too…
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by cocktailsfor2 on Jul 11, 2009 7:52 PM EDT up reply actions
2-2.
Nice.
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by cocktailsfor2 on Jul 11, 2009 7:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Oddball 1st inning at Lynchburg...
Hillcats 3 runs, no hits.
Winston-Salem 3 hits, no runs.
Even Mario?
Hard to believe.
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by cocktailsfor2 on Jul 11, 2009 7:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Lets not discriminate....
he can also strike out at the high fastball or the curve that freezes him.
Thanks for playing Mario
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God bless the idiots on the facebook page.
“I dont want to hear about the farm league. I want to hear about the big team winning again.”
If only there was a magical way
to make the MLB team keep winning while doing nothing to improve the minors.
(For the Pirates that is… I’m sure the Yankees or someone could pull it off.)
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The Yanks and the Red Sox
tried for the longest time only ten years ago and before that. Then they realized that it’s easier to just keep your best prospects and make them stars instead of trading them for stars
Also.....
the economics changed dramatically with the best players’ salaries going up massively the last then years. Trading prospects and signing free agents didn’t have the financial ramifications then that it does now.
Yep
if you’re not building up your system and promoting players, you’re going to have a lot of issues
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I agree with them
They’ll just trade away all the young good players anyways. Next year Cutch will be gone, then Alvarez, and blah, blah, blah I’m an idiot and want Jack and his friends to stay here forever
"Everybody panic! If you have a small child, use it as a shield! They love tender meat."
Thats what I want to see
Jack happy and giggling with his buddies as they win 1 out of 3 games. Shoot me
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I don't know
I’m pretty sure we’d pass 54 wins.
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With Jack & his friends?
I’m sure they could eek out 54+ wins using friendship and things like that.
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The bring in blankets and build forts
Mrs. Russell bakes cookies.
"Everybody panic! If you have a small child, use it as a shield! They love tender meat."
haha
that made me spit up beer
but so true i hate people that don’t understand baseball
When are we going to trade Cutch now
I hate people that don't understand baseball
but insist that they do know it. And when I bring up esoteric statistics like OPA and caught stealing (seriously) to argue with them why the Morgan trade was a good trade, I hear shit like “THE ONLY STAT THAT MATTERS IS WINS AND LOSSES.” God bless their underdeveloped brains.
I know I did
"Everybody panic! If you have a small child, use it as a shield! They love tender meat."
that seems like a useful stat
though Luigi has more GIDPs than Mario on the season, I think.
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Nah
double plays would increase it. and hits would decrease it
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Adam LaRoche checklist:
1. Strikeout? Check.
2. Popout to LF? Check.
3. Groundout to 2B?
4. Groundout to 1B?
5. GIDP?
He may not get 5 at-bats, but he’s 2/5 of the way there.
He doesn't need 5 ABs.
No reason why a grounder to second can’t also fulfill the GIDP portion. He should come up two more times.
Hey, an out is an out - unless you're Mario, in which case it's probably two outs. -UtesFan89
Mario Bingo.
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by cocktailsfor2 on Jul 11, 2009 8:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Or
you combine #3 & #4 into “Groundout to the right side”
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Tigers?
Dontrelle could bat
"Everybody panic! If you have a small child, use it as a shield! They love tender meat."
Actually
Adam can pitch. He’s always wanted to show off his 94 mph fastball. I’m sure he works harder on that than his swing
"Everybody panic! If you have a small child, use it as a shield! They love tender meat."
So...
not a good thing to have happen, but the Rockies are short a reliever.
Alan Embree had his leg fractured by a line drive.
Maybe they’ll increase their efforts for a reliever (Embree was a LHP). Grabow maybe?
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Mario and Jack turn a DP with the power of friendship!
Hey, an out is an out - unless you're Mario, in which case it's probably two outs. -UtesFan89
Does the power of friendship
turns their would-be Ks into ground-outs/line-outs too?
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by cocktailsfor2 on Jul 11, 2009 8:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Ryan Howard...
and Adam LaRoche. Same average, both hitting .254 at this moment. Howard’s OPS .063 higher with nine more homers in about 40 more at bats.
Not sure what it means. Just found it interesting.
That Howard sucks?
Eh…depends on how many DPs he hits. Also, his clutchness, which (as far as I’m aware) can’t be measured with a stat.
Hey, an out is an out - unless you're Mario, in which case it's probably two outs. -UtesFan89
So
if Mario gets hot and hits a few home runs in the first 8 or so games after the break then he as roughly equal stats to howard
He is pitching pretty good tonight
"Everybody panic! If you have a small child, use it as a shield! They love tender meat."
So so so close
for 2 HRs for Cutch
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Question
What channel is the Futures Game on tomorrow?
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Interpretation?
Hey, an out is an out - unless you're Mario, in which case it's probably two outs. -UtesFan89
ESPN2
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by cocktailsfor2 on Jul 11, 2009 8:31 PM EDT up reply actions
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by cocktailsfor2 on Jul 11, 2009 8:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Somedays
I wonder where the blog would be without you. Johnny on the spot with pictures
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I try.
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by cocktailsfor2 on Jul 11, 2009 8:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Frick.
THE PITCHER
YOU NEED TO GET THE PITCHER
headdesk
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Agreed
w/o insight like that, I’d be lost. :)
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Ohlie really possesses some nasty stuff
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As a fourth starter
With Morton, Lincoln and someone else ahead of him two years from now, there is real potential. Of course that is assuming EVERYTHING goes perfectly and the other two guys exceed all expectations. But, in terms of stuff, those guys have the dreaded potential.
I like where those 3 could take us. I’d like to see Owens get promoted too. Lets see if he can get to AAA in 2 years and then move up to the big club
"Everybody panic! If you have a small child, use it as a shield! They love tender meat."
Unfortunately...
the powers that be don’t seem to be interested in moving him up to Lynchburg.
Really confusing
I didn’t think PA deserved a promotion. If he did then surely Calvin Anderson could move up as well. They waited to promote Lincoln and now Owens. Maybe its to test their makeup when hearing they may be promoted
"Everybody panic! If you have a small child, use it as a shield! They love tender meat."
It's been written....
a bit, that they are slow to promote pitchers who haven’t developed a changeup because it’s much harder to work on that with confidence and develop it at the higher levels. Conceptually that seems like a very solid, logical plan. I also saw a blog entry looking at some to this and it appears that vs. last year there are some signs it has worked.
The main point being, their is a reason and some logic behind the reasoning.
I understand that
But if that is the case then once you see he is actually turning into a prospect, then why not push him into using the change up then? He is mowing down everyone he faces.
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He has
been working on his off speed. he hasn’t been allowed to use his two seamer for the past few starts
I saw that
and he’s still dominating…I think that may be a sign that he needs to advance
"Everybody panic! If you have a small child, use it as a shield! They love tender meat."
And from what I've read...
he’s only allowed to throw one of his 2 fast balls. The one that DOESN’T sink.
That's the point.....
the are (supposedly) working on that now and working on his command. I don’t hae a view on this, just telling you what DK was writing. Maybe they just want him to throw it more. I don’t think a few starts one place or the other is going to make too big a difference. If it goes for another month like this, yes, it would seem to be unusual.
Realize he doesn’t sit mid-90s so I’m sure they want him to work on a lot of stuff so that he doesn’t just move up and get crushed by better players with better plate discipline, etc.
You’re right. Ohlie has the “dreaded” potential. I don’t have many complaints about him, but one thing I don’t like about him is that he falls behind way too many hitters. He seems to get to 2-0, 2-1, 3-1 on every hitter. He has gotten better as the game has progressed tonight, but I’d like to see him throw that first-pitch strike on a more consistent basis.
Adam LaRoche checklist:
1. Strikeout? Check.
2. Popout to LF? Check.
3. Groundout to 1B? Check.
4. Groundout to 2B?
5. GIDP?
He’s getting closer to hitting for the “Adam LaRoche” cycle!
I think we need this posted
at the beginning of every game.
Just for fun.
It might even be more important than the line-ups…
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Well
that fits the line-up as well.
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by cocktailsfor2 on Jul 11, 2009 8:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Pretty intelligent play by Cutch
Trying to fake Howard into thinking he was catching it
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We'll
get those back. No problemo
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by cocktailsfor2 on Jul 11, 2009 9:07 PM EDT up reply actions
ooops
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by cocktailsfor2 on Jul 11, 2009 9:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Jack gets the grounder
while Rollins wasn’t even close. Yet Rollins has won the past two gold gloves
Are they giving an IBB
to Salazar? Or is Durbin pitching that bad?
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Dang!
All those pitches on gamecast are in the same location as where they put the balls for an IBB.
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1-2, 4+ ERA.
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by cocktailsfor2 on Jul 11, 2009 9:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Dumb to have McCutchen bunt when he doesn’t know how.
by Gorkys n' Beans on Jul 11, 2009 9:11 PM EDT reply actions
#7. wow.
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by cocktailsfor2 on Jul 11, 2009 9:17 PM EDT up reply actions
just the opposite. 7 already.
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by cocktailsfor2 on Jul 11, 2009 9:20 PM EDT up reply actions
One for every five games
pro-rated to 160 games would be 32 in a season. about average for someone with his speed i would think, but he is a rookie.
If he really has the speed he supposed to have
he could easily get 50 SB. I think since he’s only been up here for ~30 games he’s still a little hesitant. Next year he should get many more.
by DialedtoGiles on Jul 12, 2009 12:25 AM EDT up reply actions
there ya go.
Free your ass and your mind will follow.
by cocktailsfor2 on Jul 11, 2009 9:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Easy RBI
"Everybody panic! If you have a small child, use it as a shield! They love tender meat."
ok now lets get a few more.
Pow Right In The Kisser!
by Cutch is the chosen one! on Jul 11, 2009 9:22 PM EDT reply actions
First pitch
Delwyn.
Doesn’t have the same ring.
FYI… was looking at the stats a couple games back… first-pitch Freddy isn’t first on the team in first-pitches swung at.
True Blue Jazz
Bucco Ball
I'm on Twitter
RIP Nick Adenhart. 4/9/09
Where the hell
would you find that?
Free your ass and your mind will follow.
by cocktailsfor2 on Jul 11, 2009 9:29 PM EDT up reply actions
2 out of 3 ain't bad...
Out of it
only 3 runs.
True Blue Jazz
Bucco Ball
I’m on Twitter
RIP Nick Adenhart. 4/9/09
by UtesFan89 on Jul 11, 2009 8:05 PM CDT
We’ll
get those back. No problemo
Free your ass and your mind will follow.
by cocktailsfor2 on Jul 11, 2009 8:07 PM CDT
Free your ass and your mind will follow.
words escape me
Jack you really deserve a Gold Glove
"Everybody panic! If you have a small child, use it as a shield! They love tender meat."
I think he really wants to stay a Pirate
"Everybody panic! If you have a small child, use it as a shield! They love tender meat."
Who wouldn’t?
Beside Raul Mondesi, that is…
Free your ass and your mind will follow.
by cocktailsfor2 on Jul 11, 2009 9:33 PM EDT up reply actions
let's see...
Derek Bell…Joggin George Hendrick…I’m sure I can think of a few more.
okay, okay…
Free your ass and your mind will follow.
by cocktailsfor2 on Jul 11, 2009 9:46 PM EDT up reply actions
6 sliders.
Free your ass and your mind will follow.
by cocktailsfor2 on Jul 11, 2009 9:31 PM EDT up reply actions
didn’t.
Free your ass and your mind will follow.
by cocktailsfor2 on Jul 11, 2009 9:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Triple for Andy!
"Everybody panic! If you have a small child, use it as a shield! They love tender meat."
I wonder
how hard Luigi’s gonna take it when Mario gets traded, or not re-signed.
Free your ass and your mind will follow.
Grabow hitting because…well…don’t ask me!
by Gorkys n' Beans on Jul 11, 2009 9:43 PM EDT reply actions
lol
Free your ass and your mind will follow.
by cocktailsfor2 on Jul 11, 2009 9:47 PM EDT up reply actions
That situation is why we traded for Hanny…
by Gorkys n' Beans on Jul 11, 2009 9:45 PM EDT reply actions
jr
give credit for the call cause it looks good now
by changepirateskarma on Jul 11, 2009 9:49 PM EDT reply actions
Not out of the realm of possibility, but I kindda agree with the others.
Maybe JR wants to win one.
Free your ass and your mind will follow.
by cocktailsfor2 on Jul 11, 2009 9:51 PM EDT up reply actions
lets just get the win
I wouldn’t mess around
by changepirateskarma on Jul 11, 2009 9:55 PM EDT reply actions
Not that I like Hanny, but I’d start warming him up now.
by Gorkys n' Beans on Jul 11, 2009 10:02 PM EDT reply actions
What I’d do can be quite different than JR’s plan.
by Gorkys n' Beans on Jul 11, 2009 10:06 PM EDT up reply actions
It seems like Capps gives up a HR every time out.
by Gorkys n' Beans on Jul 11, 2009 10:03 PM EDT reply actions
non-related to the game but
Brandon Wood (who was called up because vlad and Hunter went on the DL) hit a home run today I think it’s safe to say that he won’t be traded this year
I grab a quick shower and return to this?
"Everybody panic! If you have a small child, use it as a shield! They love tender meat."
My thoughts exactly.
Free your ass and your mind will follow.
by cocktailsfor2 on Jul 11, 2009 10:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Wow
wow
wow
wow
"Everybody panic! If you have a small child, use it as a shield! They love tender meat."
Capps should absolutely not close anymore. Give it to Chavez or even Hanny.
by Gorkys n' Beans on Jul 11, 2009 10:11 PM EDT reply actions
I give it to Chavez
"Everybody panic! If you have a small child, use it as a shield! They love tender meat."
by BattlinBucs on Jul 11, 2009 10:12 PM EDT up reply actions
This began as a non-save situation.
Hey, an out is an out - unless you're Mario, in which case it's probably two outs. -UtesFan89
They still should put someone else in when it is a save situation.
by Gorkys n' Beans on Jul 11, 2009 10:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Ha
Even Hanrahan probably does a better job than this.
If we didn't continue to make salary dumps and trade away our stars
We’d still have Gonzalez
"Everybody panic! If you have a small child, use it as a shield! They love tender meat."
7-3 lead in the ninth inning
and you can’t freaking hold it. There is no swear word for this occurrence
Jack you could've thrown it in Capps face...I wouldn't have minded
"Everybody panic! If you have a small child, use it as a shield! They love tender meat."
relax its the mlb
for an interesting read look at my mlb math. the odds the pirates not having a winning season in 17years is 1 in 129,792 its not bad luck its not bad players its not bad management its the league. Go to college games, go t o little league games just do not take mlb seriously
by changepirateskarma on Jul 11, 2009 10:13 PM EDT reply actions
1 in 129,792
not of winning it all
not of making the playoffs
just going over 500
you can blame the organization
but I really think you need to think about how unrealistic it is to win it all with the current pay structure, organization of the league
by changepirateskarma on Jul 11, 2009 10:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Dude, put down the bong.
MLB had nothing to do with Capps blowing this game.
Free your ass and your mind will follow.
by cocktailsfor2 on Jul 11, 2009 10:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Don't necessarily have to put it down
just pass it around.
"Everybody panic! If you have a small child, use it as a shield! They love tender meat."
by BattlinBucs on Jul 11, 2009 10:23 PM EDT up reply actions
put down the bong
whatever keep blaming the players, the coaches, the management, the owner same old story on the message board. Bad things happen for a reason and I just don’t think it is as simple as cheap owners bad gm’s , players luck etc. In 17 years a team should at least go over 500 once or something is wrong with the league. Plain and simple. Too nice a ballpark, a city to have to put up with this
by changepirateskarma on Jul 11, 2009 10:26 PM EDT up reply actions
No, our losing has absolutely nothing to do with bad ownership, bad GMs, managers, players etc. Nope, not at all. We have had the best of all those things the last 16 years and just somehow could not win 82 games. Go figure.
Whatever
go figure
Of course bad ownership, gm’s, managers have had an effect. However even with all of that we should have been over 500 at least once. I’m not talking about making the playoffs or winning it all. The pirates are exposing the league for what it is.
by changepirateskarma on Jul 11, 2009 10:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Srsly.
“Bad things happen for a reason…”
Yes, because Matt Capps tossed up some pecker-high fastballs that got sent into orbit.
Free your ass and your mind will follow.
by cocktailsfor2 on Jul 11, 2009 10:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Irrelevant.
Totally irrelevant
Free your ass and your mind will follow.
by cocktailsfor2 on Jul 11, 2009 10:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Did you hear the roar when Howard swung?
That’s the atmosphere I cannot wait to have back in Pittsburgh
"Everybody panic! If you have a small child, use it as a shield! They love tender meat."
shhhhh
We’ll pretend you didn’t say that. We would’ve had to give up Kip Wells or Kris Benson. You can’t pull the gun when you have two hall of fame pitchers
"Everybody panic! If you have a small child, use it as a shield! They love tender meat."
by BattlinBucs on Jul 11, 2009 10:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Did JR take a nap through this or what?
by Gorkys n' Beans on Jul 11, 2009 10:15 PM EDT reply actions
Gee...JR....
even I know that Capps doesn’t pitch well in non-save situations. Why don’t you know that??
Maybe Capps is trying to A) make sure no one wants him, or B) get JR fired?
Do we even have save situations anymore?
"Everybody panic! If you have a small child, use it as a shield! They love tender meat."
by BattlinBucs on Jul 11, 2009 10:16 PM EDT up reply actions
even I know that Capps doesn't pitch well.
There, fixed that for you.
JR
Just making Capps taste it now. Taste your failure.
That just ruined a fun night
"Everybody panic! If you have a small child, use it as a shield! They love tender meat."
This is all on Capps. That lead was blown in 12 seconds
"Everybody panic! If you have a small child, use it as a shield! They love tender meat."
by BattlinBucs on Jul 11, 2009 10:20 PM EDT up reply actions
I now await
Dejan’s blog entry tomorrow…announcing Capps going on the DL again.
at this pont,
I’d take two.
Free your ass and your mind will follow.
by cocktailsfor2 on Jul 11, 2009 10:23 PM EDT up reply actions
I'd be fine with that at this point.
Matt Capps is getting worse every year.
Also, everyone forget about what actually happens to the magic beans in that story. They sprout a beanstalk that leads to nearly infinite riches.
www.sixtyftsixin.com
by Sixty Feet, Six Inches on Jul 11, 2009 10:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, Capps might be young but he probably peaked last year.
by Gorkys n' Beans on Jul 11, 2009 10:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Capps
get one out.
ONE FREAKING OUT, and gives up 5 runs.
Un-fucking-believable.
Free your ass and your mind will follow.
Lucky he got the one out
What other CF runs that down?
How many consecutive bullets
does a guy have to give up before it dawns on you he doesn’t have it, JR?
That was f***ing ridiculous.
No kidding
Stairs hit an absolute rocket, Rollins walks when Capps couldn’t find the plate to save his life, Victorino with a rocket to CF. At the latest Capps needed pulled after the out he actually got. But gee, he’s The Closer, can’t pull him!!!!
Well, am I glad MLB.com went out
…the Pirates TV truck crew must have gone on a frenzy and smashed all the equipment. That’s certainly what I feel like doing. And to top it all off, LaSwoosh, the Mad Capper, and Freddy the Rake have all hurt their trade value tonight.
This is the death spiral folks. Time to pick an over/under for wins and I wouldn’t count on going over 50-something.
Capps had no value before this game
He’s pretty much in the “would have to pay somebody to take him” territory right now. He has completely lost It.
http://www.fangraphs.com/livewins.aspx?gameid=290711122
www.sixtyftsixin.com
by Sixty Feet, Six Inches on Jul 11, 2009 10:26 PM EDT reply actions
Phillies had
about a 3% chance of winning? I was figuring 2%, so thanks for that, I feel so much better now.
hahahah CAPPS!
man if they trade capps i wont watch another game!!!!hahahhahahahahahhaha NOT!!!!!! what a bum… HE HAS ABSOLUTELY NO TRADE VALUE NOW! i also blame John Russell for this one too just because hes your closer doesnt mean you have to leave him in the game to get his brains beat in…. you could tell he didnt have it after the 2nd batter just groovin shit down the middle… haha greg brown was like the pirates needed to add on hahaha yea 7 to 3 in the 9th wasnt enough huh greg??? what a joke
That is the deal.....
No one ever wants to pull their closer no matter what the situation. Not saying the should or shouldn’t have here, but that is the conventional wisdom and NO ONE does it differently. So for Russell it is covering his ass by NOT pulling Capps. If he does and someone else blows it he gets murdered by press, fans, etc….
Bingo
That’s all “The Book” is for managers. A way to cover their asses. “Well, gee, I did what the book said to do. Must be the players’ faults, not mine!”
Can we trade JR
for Manny Sanguillen and a plate of Manny’s barbecue? How about just the plate of barbecue?
exactly…. JOHN RUSSELL: uhhh the book says put your closer in and leave him in the 9th so thats what i did tonight uhh i thought uh capps threw pretty well he just uh left some balls over the middle of the plate uhh were going to come back tomorrow and play hard uhh i might move my neck tonight i dont know yet. uhhhhhhhh i really dont know what im doing uhhhh.
by BigB23 on Jul 11, 2009 10:36 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
And next will come
the Sunday afternoon sacrificial-lamb white flag lineup, because that’s what the book says you do, too.
How can you tell our white flag lineup? It’s the one that’s on the field.
Like I said up there, give the 9th to Chavez with Hanny as the backup plan.
by Gorkys n' Beans on Jul 11, 2009 10:30 PM EDT reply actions
I love watching FSN right now. The blowhards are talking about how the Pirates did so many good things tonight. So I guess the Pirates have officially entered T-ball territory now. Great job with that foul tip, Bobby!
At least
we aren’t in contention for anything this year or this loss might hurt more than it does. But it still sucks
Maybe Capps
could follow Snell’s example and demote himself.
And Garrett Jones. Another monster game, and nothing to show for it.
by Gorkys n' Beans on Jul 11, 2009 10:47 PM EDT up reply actions
I thought G-Unit Jones was going to cry
and Doumit looked like he might kill Capps
When are we going to trade Cutch now
by .500 Please on Jul 11, 2009 10:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Paging Matt Capps:
There’s a bus leaving for the hotel in five minutes.
Be under it.
— your teammates
20 More Years
We are what in 3rd year of the 3rd 5 year plan?
It will be another 5 years before the AA talent is proven to be bums, then the Pirates can trade then for more bums.. See a cycle people.
It may not be the one he has in plans, but...
Looks at the guys at AA and looks at their stats, there is nobody in the organization that is going to be a difference maker.
Like Cook said, how good of a talent evaluator is Huntingdon?
Dave Littlefield
had minor leaguers that had great stats. See how far that got us. There is more to minor leaguers than stats because most of the time they are working specific things from throwing a specific pitch to working on going the other way more and retooling their swing. I don’t put much stock in stats until the player is at AAA
Yeah...
Stats mean nothing,,, I hop Alvarez is more working on his throwing from 3rd then his batting cause he has looked bad and I have gone to a handful of Curve games, same with Tabata, in fact I went to a game against Bowie in late june and he was getting booed.
It sucks that some Pirate fans can’t still come to the conclusion thst this will never get turned around cause the ownership doesn’t wanna spend money.
The team seriosuly will never have a winner..
spend money on who??? who should we spend money on???
tell me how big a difference would jason bay and his 250 avg make on this team he and NADY AND MCLOUTH couldnt help this team win what makes you think them staying would turn anything around… you need to get over this MCCLATCHY/DAVE LITTLEFIELD era its over…NEAL HUNTINGTON KNOWS WHAT HES DOING hes already made the minor league system 100x more talented in 2 year here then its been in the last 10yrs.
Bay .250 average?
LOL!!!
Like I said, the Huntinton apologist are going to get a huge shock when this enters the 4th- 5 year plane ina few years..
lol sorry 260 avg
and will see about that… hey man if you think littlefield did a better job then neal in 2 years your fucking crazy!
Where did I say
Littefield was better, I am saying Huntington is already had this team on the up you are going to get a real surprise… There is nobody in the Minors.. I will hold out hope for Alvarez, but thats it..
Miledge and Tabata will be trouble here.
Bay was horrible here huh? Glad he has moved on and is winning and putting up huge numbers. This crappy team didn’t deserve him.
Littelfield was bad...
But Huntington may be just as bad, lets not forget who Neil learned under…
Like I said, I can’t wait until 2014 and guys like Tabata, Alvarez, Lincolin, Hernandez, Locke can’t get out of AAA and fans here are crying about Neil..
Until this front office pays, nothing will ever change.
If Pirates were serious, Capps would have been lifted about the walk to Utley tonight.
Yep. What is JR doing? He’s a terrible manager. So Capps gives up a 3-run shot to tie the game up, but by all means JR, keep him in the game! Just terrible. I can’t wait to hear Capps’ excuse. How long until he goes on the DL with “shoulder tightness” or “elbow pain”.
Exactly...
Didn’t Monroe get released for not running out a grounder? If that was the case, how can Russell still have a job after this?
i agree JR is pathetic
the guy dont even move his neck!!!! he looks like a fucking statue in the dugout!
maby if JR was serious
haha and i dont think your going to have to wait until 2014 to see these players in the bigs… and who did neal learn under??? he came from Cleveland were they actually won some shit.
I went out to eat and just got back. You’ve got to be kidding me? We had a four-run lead in the ninth and Capps gave up five runs to lose it?? Please tell me you’re joking!!
unfortunately not ms. it kinda went ilke this. home run. then a few hits and somewhere in there cutch made a great play. then the bases got loaded and capps gave up the winning run
Steelers - Immaculate Reception. Penguins - Immaculate Rejection. Pirates......Immaculate Resurrection???
John Russell
Should not get any blame in this either..
Let's throw it out there....
Matt Capps is not a closer (as evidenced by tonight’s awful performance). The only reason he was good two seasons ago was because he was just coming into the league and teams were unfamiliar with him. The teams didn’t know what he had. All Capps does is throw his flat 92-94 mph fastball over the middle every pitch. And I mean every pitch. GET A SECOND PITCH, CAPPS! If all you have is a fastball, it better be 98-100 mph. Capps also had control two seasons ago, never walking anybody and being able to spot his fastball wherever he wanted to. Now, he makes it a necessity to walk at least one batter because he doesn’t know where his fastball is going. Now that he’s been in the league two (going on three) seasons, teams just sit on the fastball now. They don’t have to look for any other pitch and they don’t have respect his “slider” because he can’t come close to throwing it for a strike. You throw on top of all that the fact that we have an incompetent manager who doesn’t know when to pull a guy getting shelled and it adds insult to injury. The worst thing out of all this? We thought we had a young, reliable closer and now we’re stuck with nobody that is fit to handle the ninth inning. I guess I should wait and see if JR (not likely) has the balls to pull Capps out of his role and let other guys get their shot and see if they can get the job done before saying we have nobody, but I don’t see anybody in our bullpen being able to be a closer. It’s time to put an end to the Matts Capps experiment. A guy that has one pitch, a flat 92 mph fastball, is not a closer. What used to be sure wins when we were up by 3+ runs in the ninth inning will now become nailbiters and adventures, to say the least, until we get a real closer.
HI boys and girls
I am thinking of trading everyone on the team except Andy LaRoach, and bringing the entire Indy team up paying them the league minimum. Does anyone care? Well I wont listen to you if you do!
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