Pirates Sign Trent Stevenson
Thanks to Space Pirate for the link. This is awesome news, because Stevenson, a right-handed pitcher and the Pirates' seventh-rounder, was one of their highest-upside picks in the draft. He also had a commitment to the University of Arizona, so it wasn't at all automatic that the Pirates would be able to sign him. I haven't yet heard what the bonus is, but it's sure to be well above slot. (UPDATE: Kiley McDaniel says it's $350,000, less than I would've thought. Thanks to Shayborg for the link.)
Here's some video of Stevenson in action.
The Bucs also signed 34th-rounder Zac Fuesser away from the University of Tennessee with a $125,000 bonus, plus $45,000 to pay for further schooling.
I wonder if it's a coincidence that these signings were announced right after the Pirates' got rid of Adam LaRoche's salary?
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Good news, indeed
But has anybody heard any follow up to the recruiting visit by Von Rosenberg and Cain about a month ago?
Good day.
I've been curious about this as well
Haven’t heard much of anything other than they were making the visit.
"Everybody panic! If you have a small child, use it as a shield! They love tender meat."
Last word on Von Rosenberg...
…had him and the Pirates still negotiating as of two weeks ago.
Last week, SB Nation’s UT site said Cain (and #19 Josh Urban) both got well-above-slot offers, and that it looked unlikely Cain would come to Texas.
Pretty good draft
if we can sign Cain and also von Rosenberg
"Everybody panic! If you have a small child, use it as a shield! They love tender meat."
how great would it be....
if we signed Cain, Von Rosenberg, Urban, Jordan Cooper, Heller, Den Dekker, Dodson, Dermody, Joseph Schoenfield, Wes Luquette, Hooper, Keifer Nuncio, Kevin Gelinas, Inman, AND Sano. I would give our front office an A for the entire year if they were to accomplish that. It would probably cost about 8 mil for all of those draft picks plus another 4 for Sano, but if we clear up some salray by trading Freddy and Wilson, then we should have plenty to spend for those guys.
Pretty happy with the FO this season
signed G. Jones, the trades of McLouth, Morgan, Burnett, signed Sanchez quickly and got his pro ball debut started, DY trade.
Right now I’d give them a solid B. If von Rosenberg, Cain, and a few others from your list sign, and Sano is signed it quickly becomes a solid to high A, IMO.
"Everybody panic! If you have a small child, use it as a shield! They love tender meat."
One guy...
I really hope we sign is Kevin Gelinas. He seems like he could be another Derek Holland to me.
8 million actually leaves about 2 million left on the table. The Pirates have said that they plan to spend about as much this year as they did last, which was 10 million. However, I think it would probably take more than 8 million to sign everyone you listed.
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by Sixty Feet, Six Inches on Jul 23, 2009 9:15 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree with the grade A only if we could get schoenfeld signed. So much is talked about the pitchers above. I just went to cali on vacation and got to see schoenfeld play a game. home run, 2 doubles, 3 stolen bases 1 being home. He took over the game himself, and threw out 3 baserunners. You have to sign this kid ,what an athelete. What a future for the bucs with this kid, and the two pitchers cain and VRB
Maybe Stevenson has been signed for a while...
The conspiracy theorist in me thinks Frank C. called up Selig and asked him to throw the Buccos a bone after the LaRoche trade by letting one above slot signing go early.
it's all part of the same dance
freeing money payable to laroche provides more for signings.
you could say the trade is already starting to pay off
Is there any reason we can't announce signings
as long as we don’t announce the value of any significanty above-slot bonus? Perhaps that’s why the bonus isn’t public yet?
http://bleacherreport.com/users/17230-andrew-kaufman
salary dump
If he’s any good they’ll trade him tomorrow
"Everybody panic! If you have a small child, use it as a shield! They love tender meat."
Mike and Mike in the morning
Did anyone listen to mike and mike in the morning my buddy told me they were ripping on the buccos just a question. Thanks
For some reason the Adam LaRoche deal has been the last straw for ESPN in regards to the Pirates. A nameless douche was saying “How could the Pirates do this to their fans? They’ve traded away the only players I’ve ever heard of. Guy like Andy LaRoo”
I don't get
how they can not pay the slightest attention to the team, and then rip every trade as if it’s DL trading A-Ram (sorry if it brings back bad memories).
They should at least figure out what’s going on before ripping the team.
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And I should point out....
….. that the “Andy LaRoo” is not made up by me. He literally messed up Adam LaRoche’s first and last name as he was yelling about the Pirates trading away their only known players.
That's ridiculous.
I honestly don’t get why ESPN is so angry at the Pirates about this move. Adam LaRoche isn’t even really that good. Even by Pirates standards.
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by Sixty Feet, Six Inches on Jul 23, 2009 9:17 PM EDT up reply actions
ESPN & other national commentators
Are generally lazy and ignorant. I like Mike & Mike, but they know nothing about the Pirates; it’s like listening to them “discuss” hockey t(he 4 times a year that sports gets a passing reference, but I digress).
The ESPN people and Rob Dibble and most columnists and whoever else you can consider a national commentator are not angry with the Pirates, they are just ignorant. They don’t pay attention to them (which is understandable to a certain extent) and then don’t do their homework when the team has a moment of national relevance (which is not understandable). Simply put, they are lazy and ignorant.
To underscore the general ignorance of the national sports media, the Steelers get favored status, yet many of the national types have been applauding the classic Steelers running game for the last 3 years when anybody who has paid attention knows that the classic Steelers running game has been absent.
Local people are generally better, but sadly, many of the local Pittsburgh media types are just as lazy when it comes to the Pirates. I am a loyal DVE morning show listener, but Jim Krenn has been unjustly ripping the Pirates trades. The local ESPN radio guys all seem to understand the situation, but – other than Stan & Guy – choose to ignore it in pathetic attempts at humor, strong opinion or to generate phone calls.
The team has sucked. There is a lot worth ripping, but at some point you ought to pay attention to what is actually happening – especially local people. It’s easy to rip the team for 17 years of shit, but that is already understood. The team is a joke? Wow, thanks for the insight. How much more can Pirate fans take? Thanks for asking the question aloud; I’m really chewing on that question. Move on already!
I’ve spent a lot of time in sports media. I’ve interviewed for several jobs (including at ESPN in Bristol) where the focus was on sports knowledge. Interview question: tell me everything that you know about Wake Forest football.
That was 15 years ago and clearly much has changed. Today, the talking heads know a lot about a few things and just a couple of talking points about most things. The problem is that the talking heads are supposed to offer edgy, hard hitting opinions and the overwhelming majority of them simply don’t have enough knowledge to do so on topics other than the Red Sox, USC football, Duke hoops and the New York teams. As a result, you have a bunch of people who know little of the subject offering ‘hard hitting’ opinions that just make them look stupid to the educated (see: Freddy Coleman, ESPN radio). All the employer cares about is traffic (ratings), even if the opinion is baseless.
Charlie Steiner’s had a show called Baseball Beat on MLB Home Plate (Sirius XM). It was a tad slow at time, but great overall because it asked questions of people who really knew the subject matter: beat reporters. Steiner asked questions or sought responses to his outside observations. He didn’t pretend to know things that he didn’t know. The show was, what is the word(?), oh yeah: intelligent. And it was canceled in the spring. It has been replaced by a bunch of talking heads who (see above).
I have an issue with this, as you can tell. Sorry for the oversized rant.
Good day.
by Uncle Nate on Jul 24, 2009 8:59 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Regarding local media
When I was driving home the day of the LaRoche trade the idiots on ESPN’s “The Drive” were bashing the Pirates by comparing the teams spending to the Red Sox. Their point was that the Red Sox are successful because they can afford to spend 7 million on a bench player. The droned on about this specific topic for at least 5-10 minutes never realizing that they are only paying the remaining 3 million.
I first got angry, then thought about calling and then just turned off the radio in disbelief.
Just to give another example, one of my friends who lives in Pittsburgh, but who’s a diehard fan of all the Boston sports teams (don’t ask why), was telling me how the Pirates will never be good if they trade away all their good players.
I went ahead and proved to him, using all the stats I could, how every major trade Neal Huntington’s made since taking over as GM, except for the Bay trade, has worked out better for us than the team we traded with, which is a 75% success rate (McLouth, Nady, Morgan trades=good, Bay trade=bad). That’s well ahead of anything that Littlefield would ever have done.
My friend’s response was “Face it man, the Pirates suck. Stop making excuses for them.” Sadly, this is the typical response from people who disagree with the moves the Pirates are making. Despite all the evidence showing how these moves have benefited us, they simply dismiss them, giving no legitimate proof as to why their argument is correct, which simply annoys the heck out of me, because they’re just proving their own ignorance.
MIke and Mike
are fine for early a.m. sports entertainment, emphasis on entertainment. I enjoy the program. For actual baseball information, however, any serious fan will go to the web, places like this. I can’t imagine anyone beyond the most casual fan relies on M&M for insights on any sport.
Greenberg, in this instance, referred to the Pirates as MLB’s farm team. It was so stupid I didn’t even wince.
this.
Free your ass and your mind will follow.
by cocktailsfor2 on Jul 23, 2009 7:53 PM EDT up reply actions
I watched MLB Network
and they were pulling the same thing. “Those poor Pirate fans. They keep trading away good, young players. LaRoche is the perfect example.”
If you are going to be on the MLB network at least do a tiny bit of research. Or watch some Adam LaRoche clips of his greatness the Pirate fans will be missing. I think our lineup just got a hell of a lot better. If the Pearce experiment doesn’t work then Milledge comes up and Jones goes to first.
"Everybody panic! If you have a small child, use it as a shield! They love tender meat."
What, you expect them to maybe mention that Adam doesn’t fit in the long term plans and it makes sense to get a prospect or two (no matter how long of a shot they are) plus save the money and maybe apply that towards the draft? Towards guys that may someday help a contending team?
Or do a detailed analysis of how that money may be really important given the possibility of declining revenues, like Pat over at whygavs.com did?
Adequate preparation? A basic idea of what’s going on? You’re asking for way too much.
It’s almost as if they purposely put forward the perception they have no idea what is going on. It was pretty sad to see MLB have a network where the talking heads do not have a clue who the good players are versus the bad players.
"Everybody panic! If you have a small child, use it as a shield! They love tender meat."
next Friday is gonna be ugly!
We’ll never hear the end of it for the next few years
by BadAndy on Jul 23, 2009 9:03 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
The contract number is $350K according to Kiley McDaniel.
That's solid
If not a bit low, which is good.
But at the same time
I feel like Stevenson is probably farther off than even most high school guys since he is so skinny and seems like a big project since he lacked control in HS….Then again he has huge potential (maybe not an ace, but def 2/3 stuff) so it’s a good give and take.
I would definetly....
say stevenson has an ace ceiling, but he also has a really low floor. If he puts on about 60 pounds and gains 4-5 mph on his fastball in the process, he could be really good. He already has pretty good poise and pitchability.
yeah give the guy some JUICE!!
(j/k)
Make it thome protein thaketh
by BlindSquirrel on Jul 23, 2009 9:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Is it just me?
In watching the video, it seems he spends a lot of time poised on his front leg, post-pitch, before his back leg follows through…
Free your ass and your mind will follow.
My question is if his development will be hindered by the fact that he can’t pitch on windy days. Those Gulf Coast winds coming off the water will send him flying into the outfield.
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-TONY PLUSH
However with the right field placement
He could be blown towards the plate and only have to throw 20 ft to the plate.
"Everybody panic! If you have a small child, use it as a shield! They love tender meat."
I'm a little concerned...
about the content of a blog entry by Chuck Finder on the PG blog.
He states…“Bringing their total to 17 draftees signed, still a handful to a half-dozen below their expectations…”
Handful to half-dozen is 5 or 6. That would mean we are signing 22-23 out of 51 draft picks. And we know some of those signed are “organizational fodder” to fill out rosters. And a few were obvious overdrafts. Some teams…like the Cardinals…have already signed 30+.
I know you can’t assess a draft this quickly. But the fact that we are going to likely sign less than half of what we drafted…and MAYBE half of our top 20…doesn’t look real good based on what we heard from management before and after the draft. And of course, the Sano thing is still out there.
Not too worried yet
I’m sure right now there is a little emphasis placed on the draft picks, but most is on the trade deadline. After that full throttle towards the hard signs. I think we’ll be pleasantly surprised by who we get by the deadline.
Now if it’s August 14th and we still have the same number signed I’ll be very worried
"Everybody panic! If you have a small child, use it as a shield! They love tender meat."
The Cards
Picked a ton of seniors and other guys that were easy to sign, so it’s not really a fair comparison.
To put it mildly.
In 2004, when Jeff Luhnow first took over their scouting, the Cards signed 42 guys, all of them college guys and many of them seniors. Exactly three, all pitchers, have reached the majors. Those three have gone a combined 1-7, 7.11. So, no, how many you sign means squat.
That being said, I could swear Coonelly said in an interview that they expected to sign something like 25-30, so Finder’s numbers don’t seem right.
Not sure if I really believe Finder
His write-ups prior to this draft were less than impressive. He did get the Sanchez pick right, but only after a lot of other outlets had called it as such. Not sure if I put a lot of stock in an exact “target” number for signings.
La Roche Trade
I doubt that La Roche was traded to free up money for the signings. I do think the announcements were made to coincide with the trade. Earlier this year, Atlanta announced the dropping of Glavine the same day as a trade for McLouth.
An important side note to the La Roche trade is that Argenis Diaz was promoted to AAA. I expect the Pirates to push him forward as soon as possible. He will probably be the starting SS next year. Similar to Mendoza and Tavaras, he will be a good glove, weak bat SS. I am fine with this if his fielding is good enough.
I don’t have much use for good-field, no-hit types. But if the alternative is some has-been or never-was FA, I’d much rather go with Diaz. Maybe he’ll get stronger and the bat will improve, who knows. So if they want to push him next year rather than going out and getting an Izturis clone, I’m fine with that.
Agreed
As has come up a few times lately, FA replacements for Jack will almost certainly be quite a bit inferior (by definition, all have worse gloves, and most don’t even hit as well); no point in spending millions for that. If you’re going to spend millions, find a way to do it on Jack, and at least get on-field value.
Failing that, Diaz is a good choice – maybe. I worry about a guy with a dodgy bat getting overexposed too soon in the bigs. I mean, Aramis Freaking Ramirez looked completely lost when he was brought up too soon (younger than Diaz, certainly, but with much more hitting ability).
Best case might actually be to take a flyer on an aging guy (Vizquel?) to mentor Diaz and step aside if/when Argenis shows he’s ready. If it’s a good contract and/or the veteran plays well, he’s trade bait for a low-level prospect from a contender with a hurt SS.
Wilson and Sanchez
The Red Sox made the offer for La Roche a couple of weeks ago. Pittsburgh then asked Wilson and Sanchez if they would sign two year deals. This trade comes right after their refusals. My guess is that Diaz was picked up because Wilson turned down Pittsburgh’s offer. Diaz was sent to AAA to get him ready for next year. I think Huntington had another offer he wanted to take, but needed a shortstop for next year once Wilson turned down the offer and took Diaz.
by RafInVirginia on Jul 24, 2009 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions
That's an interesting take
Would explain a lot.
Keith Law
link Says the Bucs are close to signing Colton Cain and as we went over yesterday are still negotiating with von Rosenberg. Getting Cain inked is another big step forward and would continue to make this look like a good draft.
"Everybody panic! If you have a small child, use it as a shield! They love tender meat."
"high six figure bonus" for Cain
I’ll take that. Some of these signings are looking a lot cheaper than I thought they’d be.
VR’s the big question, but he doesn’t have injury questions like Scheppers last year, so it should be a simpler process than that. I think the fact that we’re still in negotiations with him (instead of a bunch of BS posturing) while we’re signing Cain and Stevenson is a positive sign that they want to ink all three.
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I would be shocked
If they got all three, just because it just seemed like one of those things where you go on a run of hard signability guys for a few straight rounds just so you can cover your bases and get some but not all of them.
Kudos to the Pirates if they get all three into the minors.
By all three
I obviously mean Stevenson, ZVR, Cain since they were picked one after another.

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