Ian Snell
by Brakeman8 on Jul 24, 2009 2:08 PM EDT
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Should the Pirates recall Ian Snell?
Since being demoted (or requesting it) Ian has been dominate at AAA. He is 2-1 with an 0.56 ERA. In 32.1 IP, he has allowed just 19 hits, 2 earned runs, walked 12, struck out 43 and not allowed a single home run. Ian's last start was on Tuesday, so he should be ready to pitch again on Saturday. If the Pirates would recall Ian for a start on Saturday, he would also get a second start before the trade deadline to try and prove he is worthy of a major league job. This would help the Pirates to be able to trade him and still get some value out of the guy. I would think if he comes up and tosses two above average (or even just average games) that some contender would gamble on him for the stretch drive.
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I think he is too much of a mental case for the pressure of MLB.
If he buckles under pressure in Pittsburgh, arguably the worst baseball franchise in the past 20 years, why would anyone else take a chance on him?
Yes, because of his upside, I just don’t see him having an upside in Pittsburgh
I say call him up and hopefully get something useful out of him.
That is if he carries his recent AAA success up to MLB. Who knows, maybe Mario was giving him a hard time and now he’ll feel comfortable.
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I agree with gk34 – it’d make sense to figure out who was unsupportive of Ian. It could be the guys who were or are about to be traded.
I also assumed that by now the PBC would have gotten Ian some professional care, since he announced he suffered from clinical depression soon after arriving in Indianapolis.
Go get him
I heard phil hughes name involved in a trade rumor bring him up and showcase him before the deadline or keep him and build off of his performances. I say trade him away though.
Where was such a rumor?
The Yankees would trade ARod before they’d trade “The Great Right Hope.”
Hughes is finally contributing (out of the bullpen) and his ceiling remains virtually unlimited.
Confusing report
There was an article about a Roy Halladay deal involving Phil Hughes in a newspaper. Later on in the article it mentioned Ian Snell as a possibility for the Yanks, if im not mistaken. It in no way suggested a deal with hughes for snell. It was just poorly written in a sense that it was pretty confusing on the matter. Even Ch. 11 news in pittsburgh reported on the rumor.
by BuccoBrigade on Jul 25, 2009 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Have we ruled out any possibility of him coming back up to the majors and rebooting his relationship with the management? If there’s any way of rebuilding that relationship, I’d like to see them try, because he’s got talent. If he can put up a 0.5 ERA in AAA, he should be able to keep his ERA under 5 in the bigs. He’d be a much more valuable commodity either to us or in a trade if he is allowed back up for an extended stay and performs decently. His contract could prove to be a selling point instead of an anchor.
We’re not in a position where we can throw away top tier talent for peanuts, even if there are things we don’t like about him.
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He’s shown he has the skills to be a great pitcher, he’s just had a bad time this season.
I know this can’t be the answer, but I noticed that Snell’s demotion and our trade of Morgan for Milledge happened within just 4 or 5 days of each other. Snell was being a headcase in Pittsburgh until his demotion, and Milledge has been a headcase his whole career until he came here.
Now, all of a sudden, both are in AAA on the same team, and Snell’s tearing up opposing hitting, while milledge is tearing up opposing pitching, and we haven’t heard anything about any mental problems with either of them. I feel like maybe they’ve found each other to be kindred spirits or something, and they’re working together to do well.
It would be great to promote both of them and have their joint success continue at the major league level.
Milledge has never been a "head case".
He was treated shamefully by the NY tabloids, over relatively trivial offenses (cutting a rap album, high-fiving fans, etc.). His bad rep is largely undeserved, and a big reason why he was such a good buy-low for us. If he had actual mental issues, I wouldn’t have been nearly as sanguine about it.
Yeah, I agree with those points you just made, so maybe headcase isn’t the best term to use here. Let’s replace that with “a problem for management”, because to the Mets’ management as well as the Nats’, Milledge always seemed to be a player with great talent whose head seemed to get in the way.
However, I do still believe that bringing them both up might help, since they’re both doing extremely well when playing on the same team.
Recall Snell?
This may be crazy talk. If so, please excuse me, but is there any possibility that Snell might have some potential as a reliever? There must have been something in terms of raw ability that convinced the Pirates to give him a multi-year, multi-million dollar contract. I know he’s emotionally, well, a little unstable. Maybe he’s a left-hander trapped in a right-hander’s body. Maybe he’s just a bad fit with the current Pirates catchers and /or coaches. Maybe he just can’t focus for more than a couple of innings. Maybe in his mind he’s trying to be something (a dominant starter) when what he’s really better suited for is just blowing it by the batters for an inning or so.
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I agree with you
In that he’s wasting his time/talent in AAA. I realize he’s forged this problem he has with management, but he’s not going to earn any of the money being wasted on him in the minors. They should put him in the pen, with the precondition that they are not going to get down on him about what happened last month. Tell him, that they know he’s talented, and want for him to be successful, but want to ease him back into the MLB, with situational pitching, like situations where he’s had success, and progress to situations where he needs development. But definitely he has to agree to some counseling. Whatever he’s going through, he definitely needs someone to talk to, and perhaps advise him on it.
by Pensburgh Pirates on Jul 24, 2009 10:07 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't see any need
to rush, unless it’s to showcase him for a trade, and that doesn’t look like it’s going to happen this week. Rosters go to 40 in about month and Snell will get a chance then to show what he has. In the meantime, I’m sure the people running the team in Indy and the fans there are enjoying this.
Snell has said in the past...
…that he wants to be a starter, not a reliever. That’s a big reason why the Littlefield regime didn’t like him – they kept trying to move him to the pen, and he kept resisting.
What?
I’ve never heard this. I mean, I’ve certainly heard that Snell views himself as a starter, but I’ve never heard that NH or any other Pirate people wanted him in the bullpen. Snell as a #3 starter (and ideally he could be more) is worth more than Snell as a reliever (barring MRivera-like dominance).
It wasn't NH.
It was Littlefield and his crew. I suspect, but don’t know, that it was mostly a function of him being a short righty. Baseball conventional wisdom is that those guys don’t hold up under a starter’s workload (though there are of course numerous exceptions – Pedro Martinez, Tim Hudson, Roy Oswalt, etc.).
It is possible
with the size of his contract, that Snell could be traded after the deadline and still clear waivers.
Closer
I personally think Snell may suffer from some type of attention deficit order and therefore cannot be a starting pitcher in the big leagues because he cannot execute a full game plan. Even though he has dominated in Triple A, he is still walking too many batters.
I do believe he has better stuff than Capps and could become a dominant closer for us. For one inning all he would have to do is throw his best stuff for one inning.
I say trade Capps because he has more value right now and make Snellt our closer.
Recall Ian Snell?
I recall Ian Snell.
Little guy. Used to pitch for the Pittsburgh Pirates.
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Free your ass and your mind will follow.
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