Who Did We Get For Jack Wilson And Ian Snell?

by Androgen Jar Jimmy on Jul 29, 2009 1:22 PM EDT

Shorstop, Ronny Cedeno

Is downright awful. His major league OPS this year is .504 (OPS+ 34). Does he make up for his disastrous hitting gwith the glove? Well, his lifetime UZR at shortstop is -4.1. For those of you who aren't familiar with UZR, a negative number is like crossing the streams, which is to say, it's bad. He's 25, so his upside is that maybe in the next two years he'll have one season that isn't completely embarrassing.

Catcher, Jeff Clement

He's a rookie. His major league OPS is .701. But he's 26. He's a passable hitter for a catcher. And major league catchers don't grow on trees. He's a worthwhile addition.

Pitcher, Aaron Pribanic

Third round draft pick from last year. In A-ball, he has 54 Ks in 87 innings. His WHIP is 1.17. He could have a future.

Pitcher, Brett Lorin

Drafted last year in the fifth round. In A-ball this year he has 87 Ks in 88 innings. His WHIP is .970. Not bad. Throws righty but bats lefty. I like his stats, and he's young. Maybe he could be a major league starter one day.

Nathan Adcock

Drafted in 2006. He's 22. This year in high-A he has 71 Ks in 102 innings. His WHIP is 1.539. I don't see a lot to be excited about, but you never know.

So, we got a passable, young major league catcher, a horrible shortstop, two of their best draft picks from last year, and another young minor league pitcher. I'm most excited about Aaron Pribanic and especially Brett Lorin. It's like we got an extra mini-draft -- not a bad return for an aging shortstop and a pitcher who says that he doesn't want to pitch in the major leagues.

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Clement is almost 26.

by Gorkys n' Beans on Jul 29, 2009 2:02 PM EDT reply actions

Thanks.

by Androgen Jar Jimmy on Jul 29, 2009 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions

Adcock's 2009...

…is in one of the biggest hitter’s parks in the minors. Thus, he’s probably better than his raw stat line.

by Vlad on Jul 29, 2009 2:05 PM EDT reply actions

Park can’t effect Ks though, and his K/IP isn’t so hot.

by Androgen Jar Jimmy on Jul 29, 2009 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions

It could if you’re scared of all those big power hitters and the tiny ballpark.

by Gorkys n' Beans on Jul 29, 2009 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions

Is this actually true?

I understood that at higher altitude pitchers got less movement on their pitches, which seems like it could have a lot of affect on K rates. I thought I read that Adcock pitched at a place called “High Desert”, which doesn’t sound like it is at sea level.

by WestCoastBuc on Jul 29, 2009 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions

Okay. Maybe.

by Androgen Jar Jimmy on Jul 29, 2009 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions

A pitcher whose best pitch is supposedly his curveball isn’t going to enjoy pitching at altitude. Doubly so if he’s pitching at High Desert. So don’t give up on Adcock just yet.

by MrPedriqueIfYoureNasty on Jul 29, 2009 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions

Minor league park effects

As you can see at the link below, ballparks can have a significant effect on Ks. That specifically includes High Desert.

http://www.baseballthinkfactory.org/files/oracle/discussion/2007_minor_league_park_multipliers/

I’d guess there are a lot of reasons, psychological being one of them.

by WTM on Jul 29, 2009 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions

Huh

That’s very interesting. Thanks. I had always believed that elevation could only have a negligible effect on Ks. I guess I was wrong.

by Androgen Jar Jimmy on Jul 29, 2009 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions

I didn't know this either.

Thanks for the education, guys.

www.sixtyftsixin.com

by Sixty Feet, Six Inches on Jul 29, 2009 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions

"High Desert" = Adelanto, California

2,900 feet above sea level. 340 down both lines, 401 to dead center, some wind effects.

The desert in question is the Mojave.

by Vlad on Jul 29, 2009 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions

Does anyone know

What the deal with Tri-City’s HR adjustment is all about? Is that park 310 to straight away center or what?

by MrPedriqueIfYoureNasty on Jul 29, 2009 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions

The Tri-City ValleyCats play at Joseph L. Bruno Stadium...

…which is located on the campus of lovely Hudson Valley Community College of Troy, NY. 325 down the lines, 400 to dead center.

From the chart, it looks fairly shallow to left-center and right-center, which could account for a higher HR rate. 1.6 is still a pretty crazy component factor, though.

by Vlad on Jul 29, 2009 5:15 PM EDT up reply actions