Langosch: Pirates Have Deal to Send Freddy Sanchez to Giants
by Charlie Wilmoth on Jul 29, 2009 3:31 PM EDT
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PrintJenifer Langosch of Pirates.com writes that the Giants will examine Freddy Sanchez's knee this afternoon and that "a deal is in place" is Sanchez passes the physical.
Dejan Kovacevic, meanwhile, says that no deal is imminent.
UPDATE: Kovacevic now writes that one of his sources is also saying there's a deal, although the Pirates continue to say there isn't.
UPDATE: For what it's worth, Joel Sherman of the New York Post says a source tells him a deal is "definitely" going to happen.
UPDATE: Kovacevic writes that the deal isn't certain.
UPDATE: Jen Langosch reports that Sanchez won't be heading back east with the Pirates after today's game, and will instead stay in Arizona with his family in case he is traded to a team on the West Coast.
UPDATE: The Pirates have told Sanchez to stay in San Francisco rather than flying to Arizona. No trade has been reported yet.
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Pl….eeeeeaaaaaassssseeeee can we get middle infield prospects?
by RDV across the sea on Jul 29, 2009 3:39 PM EDT reply actions
If we keep these trades up and sign Sano, I think we will have a top 10, possibly top 5 (depending on who graduates on other teams), farm system.
I still feel like we’re a bit light on high end prospects, though. Alvarez, Tabata, and Lincoln are the only ones bordering on elite IMO.
That’s true. But there are now a number of guys in the system (Locke, Morris, Grossman, perhaps Lorin, etc.) who I feel like could take that leap and become elite prospects. The system is getting very healthy in the middle, although I agree that right now it’s a bit thin on top.
by Charlie Wilmoth on Jul 29, 2009 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Gotta go from the ground up.
Huntington is working smart here. Teams aren’t willing to give up high-minors prospects anymore, so he’s getting a ton of low-minors ones that he thinks can make it through the system. Work from the bottom up.
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by Sixty Feet, Six Inches on Jul 29, 2009 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions
At this point, neither one is a "prospect".
As they’re both over the ROY threshold for PT.
Both are good young players, though.
Not getting Sano would be idiotic
money cant be a reason anymore, the Bucs just unloaded, what, $18M in a week, and another 8-10 might come off the books soon. If Sano needs an extra $500,000 to sign, I hope thats not an issue.
Didn't They Just Look At His Knee The Other Day?
What could possibly be different today?
by Androgen Jar Jimmy on Jul 29, 2009 3:42 PM EDT reply actions
I think we’re probably just waiting for the game to end. I they had the opportunity to examine his knee again, why wouldn’t they?
Indeed.
I doubt they’ll be trading him mid-game, Nady style. But yeah, they’re probably doing something soon after this game ends.
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by Sixty Feet, Six Inches on Jul 29, 2009 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Aaaaand nevermind.
Via DK: Sanchez being examined by SF doctors within the hour.
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by Sixty Feet, Six Inches on Jul 29, 2009 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Possible return for Freddy (according to MLB Trade Rumors)
John Bowker, a 26-year old left-handed 1B who has some power potential. In AAA this year he’s shown a reasonable strikeout to walk ratio (1:1), some speed (10 stolen bases), and some power (17 Homeruns, .612 slugging). In essence, he is the Lefty McThump we thought we were getting when we traded for Adam LaWhiff (how’s he doing anyway?).
Kevin Frandsen, a 27-year old 2B/SS. With five years in the Minors, he is still not to the bigs and he looks old to me. He’s hitting .301 in AAA, but has a 2:1 K/walk ratio and limited power (.444 slugging).
Jesus Guzman, a 25-year old 3B. He’s been in the minors since 2001, which means he started there when he was 17 years old. He’s seen as a back-up since Ryan Garko got traded to San Fran. Looks like he’s been riding the pine this year, last year in the minors (mostly AA) he batted .363 with 14 home runs).
I don’t see where adding Bowker makes sense after the Wilson trade and I’m sure it’s a safe bet that we won’t get all three of the above listed players for Freddy. Anyone want to show their prescience (that’s the ability to see into the future, for those from the Squirrel Hill area) and name the upcoming deal?
Organizational Filler
None of those guys seem particularly exciting to me.
by Androgen Jar Jimmy on Jul 29, 2009 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Wouldn’t call them organizational filler, but I agree that none of them seem very exciting.
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by Sixty Feet, Six Inches on Jul 29, 2009 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah
If that’s all we can get for Freddy, then I think we should just keep him.
by Androgen Jar Jimmy on Jul 29, 2009 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m sure more would be involved in a deal. It’s probably one of those guys plus some low minors guys. I’d guess either Guzman with a move to second to take Freddy’s place or Frandsen for the same reason.
But if any of those players are the center piece…yeah, probably smarter to keep Freddy.
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by Sixty Feet, Six Inches on Jul 29, 2009 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions
1:1 is not a reasonable K/BB ratio. It’s an awesome one.
Still, those guys all seem a little old. I’d prefer some more youth.
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by Sixty Feet, Six Inches on Jul 29, 2009 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Freddy is worth
alderson, bumgarner, and Posey
If they don’t get those three then I’m done forever with this team. Bring back Mcclouth, Bay, and Nady, etc. etc. [Insert favorite yinzer complaint here]
Show me a guy whos afraid to look bad, and I'll show you a guy you can beat every time. -Lou Brock
Sandoval and we have a deal.. We will even throw in Diaz if we can have Molina and the Giants pay 75% of his contract.
Methinks you missed the sarcasm.
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by Sixty Feet, Six Inches on Jul 29, 2009 5:10 PM EDT up reply actions
i don't know
maybe i missed it to but i don’t think he was joking.
Guzman was a minor-league free agent last offseason.
He can hit for real, but the glove is an issue even at 3B, and I can’t imagine him at 2B.
I would not endorse that package.
It’s not a deal yet, right?
by oc on Jul 29, 2009 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Actually
Dejan says:
#Pirates insisting no deal in place with SF. Another source, outside team, says there IS one in place.
and:
Sanchez being examined by SF doctors within the hour.
by Androgen Jar Jimmy on Jul 29, 2009 3:48 PM EDT reply actions
I Ain't Sayin' They Ain't
What I’m saying is: The report that Dejan’s says that no deal is immanent is a bit misleading.
by Androgen Jar Jimmy on Jul 29, 2009 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions
What I wrote is pretty much exactly what the PBC blog was reporting at the time I wrote it.
by Charlie Wilmoth on Jul 29, 2009 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions
I Believe You
But the Innernets moves fast. The best available information an hour ago is now a bit dodgy, and has been clarified and amended.
by Androgen Jar Jimmy on Jul 29, 2009 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Right. Which is why I updated the post like a half hour ago. I don’t really see what you’re getting at.
by Charlie Wilmoth on Jul 29, 2009 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Okay, I see three updates now. But they weren’t there before.
by Androgen Jar Jimmy on Jul 29, 2009 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions
They’ve been there for over an hour. Is this some piece of Beckett-esque performance art or something? If so, very funny.
by Charlie Wilmoth on Jul 29, 2009 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions
In fact, the headline was “Sanchez’s knee has trades on hold” or something like that.
by Charlie Wilmoth on Jul 29, 2009 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Clement
Saw something on the net saying that Clement is out of Minor League options. If true, I wonder about the impact to Jones/Pearce. Clement’s bad knees seem to have people suggesting that he can no longer catch.
If Clement gets a “shot” at starting next year at first base….The outfield gets even more crowded.
Pehaps the logjam get broken by inclusions in the Sanchez trade?
Yeah, looks like Pearce is getting screwed again.
And for once, I don’t care. I think Clement has way more upside.
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by Sixty Feet, Six Inches on Jul 29, 2009 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Pearce
is going to get 65 games to show something. Clement comes up Sept. 1 and gets the occasional start.
Duke...
I personally hope he has a great game today (not unlikely with SF’s anemic offense), making a solid pitch to one of the teams who misses out on Halliday. Duke is having a much better year, but his FIP is back of the rotation starterish. I think we could capitalize on a lot of desperation right now.
My friend is a Cubs fan. He says he’s heard rumors about Duke to Chicago. I know a lot of teams are kicking the tires on him right now.
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by Sixty Feet, Six Inches on Jul 29, 2009 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm Fine With The Idea Of Trading Duke Now
The Pirates only have him through 2011, at which time he’s arbitration eligible. Unless you think the Pirates are gonna be ready to win in 2011, trading Duke now seems fine with me. Let some other team get two years of him.
by Androgen Jar Jimmy on Jul 29, 2009 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions
I may not be part of the consensus here, but I think we may be ready to win in 2011. If we got a great offer, I’m okay with shipping Duke out; otherwise, I think he’s worth holding considering his contract and performance this year.
by thegreatchris on Jul 29, 2009 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t really buy that, because we would need Vitters and they seem reluctant to give him up. I thought the Phillies were a good fit, until they signed Lee. I really like Texas as a destination, though.
I wouldn’t mind seeing us take a flyer on Samardjiza, but I’m not sure how willing to part with him the Cubs are.
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by Sixty Feet, Six Inches on Jul 29, 2009 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Imagine
An outfield of Pearce, Jones and McC…..His hammy’s would last till about May!
Langosch says Sanchez made a 3-year, $20 million counter-offer to the Pirates.
Yeah, good luck with that.
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by Sixty Feet, Six Inches on Jul 29, 2009 4:11 PM EDT reply actions
Neal
probably laughed as soon as he hung up the phone
Show me a guy whos afraid to look bad, and I'll show you a guy you can beat every time. -Lou Brock
If they wanted to sign him for three years...
…then 8-6-6 sounds about right, actually. Especially given that his 8 for next year is pretty much a milk run at this point.
The fact that Sanchez thinks they’d want him for the next 3 years is laughable in itself.
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by Sixty Feet, Six Inches on Jul 29, 2009 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Well, we'll see...
…what he gets in FA after 2010, then. Or what extension he signs in the interim.
I mean, you’re saying he’ll get about 60% of Edgar Renteria’s deal last offseason.
I'm saying he isn't going to make anything close....
to $14 million for 2011 and 2012. As you know citing one example isn’t really a strong argument. You think he’s going to make 40% more than Bobby Abreu’s deal last offseason.
I do, actually.
And I think that when we’re talking about the value of a possible extension for Freddy, Renteria’s comp is just about the best one available, in that he’s a 30+ veteran middle infielder who signed with the team rumored to be Freddy’s primary suitor less than a year ago.
Vlad...
let’s bet a case of beer or wine. Or $20 bucks, whatever. We disagree. We’ll see. I guess if Seattle is thinking about picking up Jack’s $8.4 option anything is possible.
How about a $20 B-R page sponsorship of the winner's choice?
Been meaning to throw them a little money anyway.
If you want to do it, we’ll need to define terms.
Or Nyjer Morgan.
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by Sixty Feet, Six Inches on Jul 29, 2009 5:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Hey Charlie....
I copied and posted some long comments from a Rob Neyer blog about Freddy that I thought were very good. They are in the game thread.
Is that okay and did I do it properly?
LOL....
You know I checked on MVP already and his page is sponsored until next April, so I have them sending me an email alert when it comes due.
LOLOL……yea, bromance.
I'm in....
however you like. I’m not sweating $20. You can pick two for me and I’ll pick two for you. Or one each. Loser pays.
I think it makes sense to pick...
…whenever the contract is signed, since there’s no guarantee that the guys chosen now will still be available then. There’s a list of $20 pages here.
What’s a workable over/under line for you? $6M/year, maybe, for either his first extension or first FA contract?
I’d probably want an out as well if he suffers a serious injury between now and the end of 2010, since we’re talking about what he’d be worth at his current state of health.
Injuries...
you can have an out, but that was part of the argument for looking at an extension. You know I’m laughing about your “he’s healthy as a horse line.” As he missed about 9 of the last 15-20.
If the current knee injury is a big deal...
…we’ll put that on my tab, because it’s a pre-existing condition. I just didn’t want to get screwed if he trips at Joe D’s restaurant and stabs himself in the lung with a fish fork.
LOL...
you’d be a bitch to litigate against. It’s fricking hard enough to disagree with you on the damn blog and feel like I’m making solid points.
And how, exactly, are Everett and Freddy comparable?
Everett played a grand total of 48 games in the season preceding his free agency, and he hasn’t had an OPS+ of even 70 since 2005.
Yes, that makes plenty of sense! As I get less valuable, pay me more!
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by Sixty Feet, Six Inches on Jul 29, 2009 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions
No player ever thinks he's going to become less valuable.
So he’s basically just giving himself little annual mini-raises for increased seniority.
Also, a back-heavy deal is advantageous to teams, in that future money is worth less than currrent money.
The NBA and NFL both have salary caps.
As such, salary figures and trends from them do not translate to MLB.
Specifically, NFL teams like bonus-heavy front-loaded deals...
…because it enables them to manipulate the cap. Charges for bonus money are assessed differently than charges for annual salaries.
Think about what I’m saying for a moment. Would you lend me $1M today in exchange for a guaranteed repayment of $1M in two years? Of course not. I could take that $1M, drop it into a CD or some savings bonds and turn an easy, risk-free profit. Thus, at a minimum, the discount value of future money is determined by current interest rates. To say nothing of the opportunity cost of not having that $1M at your disposal for the two year period…
by Vlad on Jul 29, 2009 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
You think
Jeter is going to get a raise on his next contract? How about Vernon Wells? Did Jason Giambi get more this year, Abreu? What is your point?
I don't think Jeter will get a raise on his next contract...
…but there’s no doubt in my mind that Jeter thinks he’ll do at least as well when negotiating time comes around again.
Players think that they’re indestructable and totally immune from the ravages of time. They’d never make the majors if they didn’t have an outsized opinion of their own capabilities.
i dont think so
i d say market value would be about 8-5-4 at best… and that is only given the 8 for next year
Maybe
they actually ment 20 years at 3 Million
Me too. Hilarious.
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by Sixty Feet, Six Inches on Jul 29, 2009 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Surely she should 'scoop' on a more regular basis.
It’s a bit patronising to suggest it’s hilarious, because Jen is towing the company line and she’s probably told what she can or cannot reveal.
If I was her, however, I think I would put my neck on the line a bit more often. Despite her nice writing (easy to read game reports and fan friendly Q & A’s) she hasn’t got anywhere near connecting with the Bucco fanbase.
by RDV across the sea on Jul 29, 2009 5:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Momentary pedantry corner:
It’s “toe the line”, not “tow the line”. Like when you’re in the army, and everybody lines up at attention.
The more you know!
Nothing pedantic about that Vlad.
Thanks for correcting me.
What’s your view on the value of Miss Langosch?
by RDV across the sea on Jul 29, 2009 5:15 PM EDT up reply actions
I think her blog...
…feels like something she does because her boss told her to do it, not because she has any real interest in blogging. Some of that might be a function of her having to write around externally-imposed editorial constraints, though.
And I don’t read it often enough to be too sure that my impression is an accurate one.
It’s hilarious precisely BECAUSE she’s limited on what she can report. DK doesn’t have those limitations.
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by Sixty Feet, Six Inches on Jul 29, 2009 5:14 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm just saying
Doing a little research on frandsen, has solid AAA numbers and was once thought of as the giant 2nd baseman of the future. in 2007, was their main utility guy and got a shot at 2nd base the last 2 months, hit .370 or so. was the favorite to have the job in 2008 then tore his achilles, missed all of 2008. has been up and down 3 times this year, looks like he never got a real shot despite end of 2007. does he get thrown in the mix, see what he can do?
At this point, not trading Freddy would be a disappointment.
by Gorkys n' Beans on Jul 29, 2009 5:04 PM EDT reply actions
What do you guys think about Noonan. His minor league stats are all but impressive. Crappy strike out rates, etc. but he is still pretty highly rated. BA has him right behind their elite guys. We also seem to have a bit of middle infield depth in the low minors (he plays at A+), but I’ve heard he may be part of this deal.
Hard to get excited about Noonan’s numbers, but there’s got to be SOME reason scouts still like him after three years. Tabata’s numbers looked pretty similar before we acquired him, too.
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by Sixty Feet, Six Inches on Jul 29, 2009 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions
BA rankings are determined in part...
…by input from the team’s front office, and the Giants’ FO doesn’t have a great track record when analyzing young position players.
Personally, I’m not big on him from what the stat line says, but I’ve never seen him play so that’s a soft opinion.
However...
BA always complains (a lot) about how little input they actually get from Giants personnel, particularly upper management. Their Giants rankings is probably bereft of Giants input.
In addition, I wouldn’t say that the Giants have a poor record of analyzing young position players. The draft is a crapshoot once you get beyond the first 5-10 picks overall. The Giants chose to focus on pitchers with those poor picks that they got when they were winning, which I think was a good strategy, marshaling scarce resources and focusing on a commodity – pitching – that is very flexible and valuable. For example, if you have two good position players, you either have to trade one or play the other out of position, while for a pitcher, you just put him in the rotation as few teams have good 5th starters, or even 4th starters. That also works with trading with other teams, they can always add good pitching, but if they already have a position player that you want to trade, they are not a trading partner for you.
And I think that they have done pretty well with their top prospects (of which Noonan is not one) in recent drafts when they have gotten Top 10 picks. Lincecum: nuff said. Bumgarner: top pitching prospect in minors already, only player drafted behind him that is equal or maybe above is Jason Heyward. But a top pitcher is more valuable than a top hitter when you are talking elite status. Posey: arguably still the best pick for who the Giants could select, except maybe Gordon Beckham, but Posey plays a premium position and is expected to be good both offensively and defensively, while Beckham split the experts on whether he can play SS or not; for now he’s playing 3B and perhaps 2B eventually.
Villalona is another position prospect who got a $2M bonus, equivalent to any Top 10 pick, so I would include him here too. Most teams did not think he was worth investing that much in, but he played well in A-ball last year when he was only 17, and he hit above average despite hitting against pitchers who were 5+ years older than him and having that many more years of experience over him, and was among the league leaders in home runs hit too. He was doing OK in Advanced A before injuries slowed him down, then shut him down.
There are others. Sandoval has been a rare find. Schierholtz’s minor stats suggest that he can be an average starter in RF with good defense. Ishikawa looks like he’s a good defensive 1B who can hit a bit; if the team can field good hitters elsewhere, he could be the JT Snow of the 2010’s. Bowker has made adjustments the past two years that suggest that he can be an average hitting LF: he proved he can hit for power last season and this season he worked in the minors on taking walks and toning down the strikeouts.
And they have done well in recent years when they put more of a focus on position prospects. These promising position prospects include Ehire Adrianza, Brandon Crawford, Roger Kieschnick, Thomas Neal, Christopher Dominguez, Rafael Rodriguez.
Adoptive parental unit of Ehire Adrianza.
Godfather of Travis Ishikawa.
"I'm really proud to be on this team." - Nate Schierholtz
"Woo hoo" - Tim "The Kid" Lincecum
"Let's go get them in 2009!" - The Kid
"He got his pitch; he did not miss it" - Cainer
"Kung Fu Panda don't get hurt" - Cainer
by obsessivegiantscompulsive on Aug 4, 2009 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, but I have a feeling that the actual July 31st deadline is gonna be really quiet on the Pirates front.
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by Sixty Feet, Six Inches on Jul 29, 2009 5:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Players remaining un-traded that they could theoretically deal:
Sanchez
Duke
Grabow (they pretty much HAVE to deal him.)
Capps
Maholm
And, dark horse, knee-jerk reaction candidate:
Garrett Jones
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by Sixty Feet, Six Inches on Jul 29, 2009 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions
garret jones
if they traded him i swear the PBC posters would join together and throw NH into the allegheny river
Agreed
But it’s not like he’s part of their long-term plans. It could happen.
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by Sixty Feet, Six Inches on Jul 29, 2009 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions
oh i fully agree it’s possible and desirable if he somehow got a good return. i’m just imaging the hilarity that would ensue.
Atlanta
could offer Heyward for Jones. Tampa could offer Tim Beckham and Wade Davis for Jones and I’d still say take neither… BECAUSE…
If we trade Jones the city will riot and tear down PNC park and then the team will just have to move.
Obviously I’m being sarcastic and am exaggerating… well hopefully, but if we do trade Jones when hes hot and get a plus return on him (which still won’t be any top propsects), I fear for NH’s life.
by McCutchenIsTheTruth on Jul 29, 2009 5:35 PM EDT up reply actions
I think Grabow probably goes.
And I think that if they’re going to get a MIF prospect back in trade this deadline, he probably comes as part of the return on a Duke deal (though we could get a Cedeno-style temp like Frandsen in a Freddy package).
I’d love to send grabow and duke to the angels for wood and any number of their wealth of prospects. I can’t remember if they’re in the market for a starter though.
No way! We just got two middle infielders in Diaz and Cedeno! Time to pack that wagon up and focus on an area of weakness! </casual Pirates fan who doesn’t understand the concept of depth>
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by Sixty Feet, Six Inches on Jul 29, 2009 5:39 PM EDT reply actions
Casual Pirates fan couldn’t tell you the difference between alcides escobar and argenis diaz. They hear prospects and they think they are all the same.
this is more like the casual pirates fan, in my opinion: “another trade? the pirates are always trading away their good players! this is the final straw, i’ll never follow them again!”
“Until the next trade, when I come back to say the same thing!”
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by Sixty Feet, Six Inches on Jul 29, 2009 6:00 PM EDT up reply actions
OT
So I’ve been reading a Steelers bulletin board since I got home. One poster says the Pirates are by far the worst team in baseball. Another says, “You must not have seen the Nats this year.”
The reply:
Washington has a MUCH better lineup than the punchless Pirates. Their pitching has been what’s killed them.
My mistake! You can’t really say the Nats are worse because the only difference is the pitching, which is totally not important in any way!
worst franchise
Pirtes are the worst franchise. They won’t be good until bob nutting is gone. Why do you want to defend us?
It won't help
There’s no help god love you diehard fans I’ve been fan for a long time I can’t take this anymore. Seeing jack break down, it kills me
i suggest
you become a cardinals fan.
larussa is a genius.
by SamTheButcher on Jul 29, 2009 6:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Time to hold your breath
Capps is in the game…
from dejan's twitter
#Pirates Sanchez told to stay at AT&T Park rather than make scheduled flight to Phoenix tonight
per dejan
Sanchez traded to Giants for Tim Alderson, Class AA pitcher
Love it. Freddy gets injured too much.
by Gorkys n' Beans on Jul 29, 2009 6:49 PM EDT up reply actions
well
congratulations neil. it’s your team now.
Holy shit
really? This isn’t a joke of some sort right?
Show me a guy whos afraid to look bad, and I'll show you a guy you can beat every time. -Lou Brock
From DK:
Free your ass and your mind will follow.
by cocktailsfor2 on Jul 29, 2009 6:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Except for the loss of course
Show me a guy whos afraid to look bad, and I'll show you a guy you can beat every time. -Lou Brock
hahahaha
it’s funny being a pirate fan sometimes.
Dejan says...
Do you think Freddy is even a decent bet to stay healthy and productive the next 3 years? Me neither. Alderson is very close to blue-chip, although some warn that he has a back-end ceiling. It’s a risk we have to take, though.
by Gorkys n' Beans on Jul 29, 2009 6:55 PM EDT up reply actions
The Giants SB Nation Blog
Is pissed worse than I’ve ever seen the yinzers (of course I didn’t read PBC Blog during the Bay trade or the Aramis trade)
LINK
Show me a guy whos afraid to look bad, and I'll show you a guy you can beat every time. -Lou Brock
Now, they got a very good player. If they’ll pay (or if the Pirates are paying) enough to keep him, they should be very happy. He immediately becomes their best position player.
I'm not saying
they are right in being pissed…just that they are quite angry, almost mob angry
Show me a guy whos afraid to look bad, and I'll show you a guy you can beat every time. -Lou Brock
This link green_wave posted to their boards is HYSTERICAL.
They crack jokes about the Pirates, give the offer that was rumored earlier with the older (already in majors) prospects discussed above. All of this talk is fairly similar to our discussion above.
Then there’s a source saying the deal is complete Sanchez for “a” prospect. The poster asks if “a” prospect scares anyone else. Then BOOM!!!! Shit hits the fan fast. I laughed out loud. It was awesome
Thank you Neal! I’ve been waiting years for such a trade to take place for my Buccos.
The funniest comment I saw was a poster calling Twitter “a damn liar” b/c he was so angry. LOL
Figures...
I just woke up from after working a midnight shift…and it looks like Pirates management has been playing with TNT for the last 24 hours. Only question now is whether the pitching staff gets blown up.
There are still
people pissed they only got one player, even though they were complaining about getting quantity over quality earlier
Show me a guy whos afraid to look bad, and I'll show you a guy you can beat every time. -Lou Brock
That's from
Freddy’s agent.
He surely doesn’t know.
Free your ass and your mind will follow.
by cocktailsfor2 on Jul 29, 2009 6:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Wow!
had to miss my late afternoon snack coz of the game… it ends, i hang around for 10 minutes, no announcement… go get the snack…
when I come back, its ALDERSON!!!
WOWOWWWWW!!!
YES! Huntington’s outdone himself today: he’s traded an injury prone, solid hitting 2nd baseman, a defensive-oriented SS who’s a FA this offseason, and a headcase of a pitcher, in exchange for the guy who was probably the giants’ best pitching prospect, the mariners’ best prospect from last season, 3 solid pitching prospects, and a defensive specialist
Just overall a great day in Pittsburgh, not counting the loss to the Giants, of course.
Giants 2nd base pitching prospect
behind Bumgarner
Show me a guy whos afraid to look bad, and I'll show you a guy you can beat every time. -Lou Brock
Wow
Alderson doesn’t have the highest ceiling in the world, but he seems a pretty good bet to be a very good starter.
I liked Freddy, but what a fantastic trade for the Pirates.
MLB network
actually defending what the Pirates are doing…is this the apocalypse?
Show me a guy whos afraid to look bad, and I'll show you a guy you can beat every time. -Lou Brock
DK has posted Alderson's info
Surprisingly, the P-G is loading at a pretty normal (slow, nut not dead) pace now.
Free your ass and your mind will follow.
This is incredible!
I am honestly in shock. Speaking of high level prospects earlier, now we got one! We will be a top 5 minor league system
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