ESPN: Cubs "Finalizing" Deal for John Grabow
by Charlie on Jul 30, 2009 4:11 PM EDT
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The Chicago Cubs are in the process of finalizing a trade for Pittsburgh Pirates left-handed reliever John Grabow, a source close to the situation told ESPNChicago.com.
The Cubs have been in the market for a left-handed reliever to firm up their bullpen, and Grabow has been on their radar for a while. Sean Marshall is currently the only lefty in the bullpen.
The Cubs don't have the world's best farm system, but they won't necessarily need it to get Grabow. At the same time, there's no rush for the Bucs to trade him--twith the 2010 payroll as low as it now projects to be, there would be no particular reason not to offer Grabow arbitration after the season so that he could return a compensation pick or two if he left.
Thanks to UtesFan89.
UPDATE 4:21: Dejan Kovacevic says the trade, now including Tom Gorzelanny as well as Grabow, is "just about done."
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“Source: Grabow/Gorzelanny just about done”
by dirtyfrank on Jul 30, 2009 4:20 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
It's official
Grabow, Gorzelanny traded to Cubs
By Dejan Kovacevic | 5:41 p.m. Thursday
The Pirates have traded pitchers John Grabow and Tom Gorzelanny to the Chicago Cubs.
Details to come.
by richaude on Jul 30, 2009 5:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Return: Hart, Ascanio, Harrison
UPDATE 5:50 p.m.: Pitchers Kevin Hart and Jose Ascanio are the return, according to ESPN Chicago.
5:52 p.m.: The above is official, and add third baseman Josh Harrison to the return.
by richaude on Jul 30, 2009 5:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Interesting...
a Class A third baseman…that’s all of 5’8" tall.
by Thunder on Jul 30, 2009 5:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah! How dare they trade a situational left hander too! Grabow is the FUTURE!!
Woe is me when does it end?!?!?!
by Mick Kraut on Jul 30, 2009 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey man, he’s the “setup man”. You can’t get to the WS without a closer and setup man. Impossible.
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by BadMaafala on Jul 30, 2009 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
But…but…
Who will pitch the 8th now?
by MrPedriqueIfYoureNasty on Jul 30, 2009 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Donnie Veal for the win!
(Everyone go hide in a corner now as Veal walks another batter)
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by UtesFan89 on Jul 30, 2009 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Or Chavez maybe?
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by UtesFan89 on Jul 30, 2009 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Chavez doesn’t walk enough guys although I’m willing to consider the other two.
by MrPedriqueIfYoureNasty on Jul 30, 2009 5:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
In all seriousness . . .
It obviously depends on the return, but it seems to me the Bucs would be well-served to let Grabow go to FA and offer arbitration. There’s a good chance he’d accept, but if he did, it’s not like he’d command a significant contract. $3-4M, maybe?
by biggyv on Jul 30, 2009 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’d rather take the prospects than be on the hook 3-4M for Grabow. Thats a nice signing bonus for a high draft pick or a really good international FA.
by bbxxj on Jul 30, 2009 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
True
I really could go either way on this. My thinking is that, with the money the Bucs have freed up from the McLouth, Mario, and Freddy trades, they could roll the dice on Grabow not accepting arbitration, because even if he does, it’s not like his salary would cripple them for next year.
by biggyv on Jul 30, 2009 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lately
It seems like teams can wait a certain amount of time before signing a player and not forfeit the picks, no? I think either we’d retain Grabow or someone would wait to sign him, nullifying the deal. Still, I’m cautious of ANY trade with the CUBS.
by Yotum on Jul 30, 2009 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
this has to be sarcasm
being done with a team before even knowing what the return is?
what if the return is a 22 yo Roberto Clemente?
by vherub on Jul 30, 2009 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
why didn’t they get the 21 year old clemente!!!! nutting is too cheap!!!!
by johnnycuff on Jul 30, 2009 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just to fill you in, every few hours another fanpost shows up saying the same crap. Most people are just mocking those at this point.
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by BadMaafala on Jul 30, 2009 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just to fill you in, every few hours another fanpost shows up saying the same crap. Most people are just mocking those at this point.
When Captain America throws his mighty shield,
All those who chose to oppose his shield must yield.
by chodan11 on Jul 30, 2009 6:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just to fill you in, every few hours another fanpost shows up saying the same crap. Most people are just mocking those at this point.
When Captain America throws his mighty shield,
All those who chose to oppose his shield must yield.
by chodan11 on Jul 30, 2009 6:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Me too.
If I had season tickets, I wouldn’t renew them. Grabow is like a modern day Tekulve.
by IAPiratesFan on Jul 30, 2009 5:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Actually
Why would anyone buy season tickets for 2010? I can slam my fingers in the door 81 times for free.
The Pirates should offer a package: Opening Day, Closing Day, and the debuts of Pedro, Lincoln, and… Alderson? Someone.
by JRoth95 on Jul 30, 2009 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Another good promotion
If you buy tix for the 82nd loss in advance, you get a refund! That should up ticket sales for around Labor Day.
by JRoth95 on Jul 30, 2009 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ain't gonna take...
til Labor Day to get to 82.
by Thunder on Jul 30, 2009 6:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Go back in time and sue the 86 Pirates too.
Trading away all their best players like Bill Madlock and Kent Tekulve and George Hendrick and Jason Thompson and Marvell Wynne. Trading those guys were just salary dumps, they’ll never win again without them.
by IAPiratesFan on Jul 30, 2009 5:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Speaking of Joggin' George Hendrick
He’s the Ray’s 1B coach now and he was on ESPN the other day chewing out BJ Upton for not running out a ball hit off the wall and getting thrown out at 2nd.
Very ironic for anyone who watched him play.
by maguro on Jul 30, 2009 5:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Considering Gorzelanny is involved. . .
the trade better return some interesting prospects because there is NO reason to trade him. He doesn’t have a bad contract, isn’t arbitration eligible, has been pitching very well at AAA, has not clashed with management and was very good just 2 years ago.
by Scranton on Jul 30, 2009 4:30 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
and Gorzo will be
biting us in the ass for years if it works out as he’ll be in the same division. Hopefully the same division thing and the timing means that the return is substantially more significant than other teams offered.
Good day.
by Uncle Nate on Jul 30, 2009 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hope we get Flaherty, Jackson, and McDaniel in this deal
JUST SAY NO TO CASTRO!
by BadAndy on Jul 30, 2009 4:32 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Why's that?
I can’t say I’m familiar with the Cubs’ prospects; why don’t you like Castro?
by biggyv on Jul 30, 2009 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I know he's 19 in high A
but he a weak bat compared to Flaherty who is formerly Pedro’s teammate at Vandy. 14HR in low A as a 2B….shades of Chase Utley here. Jackson in AA is another Ohlendorf with a better fastball while McDaniel is a Neal H diamond in the rought.
Maybe Castro will develop into an AS SS or he could be the next Ronny Cedeno.
by BadAndy on Jul 30, 2009 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
doesn't matter in this case
Selected by Chicago Cubs in 1st Round (41st overall) of 2008 amateur entry draft (June-Reg
With his caliber he should be playing for Lynchburg right now.
by BadAndy on Jul 30, 2009 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ok, yeah I wasn’t aware of his pedigree
by scully0505 on Jul 30, 2009 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You just compared a low A 2B
to Chase Utley?
Well, I guess Utley played in low A at sometime.
by McCutchenIsTheTruth on Jul 30, 2009 5:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What if...
Since Littlefield is with the Cubs the reports of Gorzo being in the deal are erroneous and it is actually Yoslan?
Sorry, just trying to be funny.
Good day.
by Uncle Nate on Jul 30, 2009 4:41 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Yoslan and Grabow for ARam?
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by BadMaafala on Jul 30, 2009 4:42 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
how about we throw in bobby hill and jose hernandez, just for kicks?
by johnnycuff on Jul 30, 2009 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
We technically could trade them Jose Hernandez.
Since we drafted him this year.
by IAPiratesFan on Jul 30, 2009 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If Gorzelanny is involved, I hope they’re getting something actual in return.
by wickethewok on Jul 30, 2009 4:46 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Trading
It’s like day trading; once you get into it you can’t stop. But on a serious note, what’s the logic of depleting all your LH pitchers. This has to be somethng huge in return.
by pizibao on Jul 30, 2009 4:46 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I am not confident that it is something huge…willing to be surprised though.
by Mick Kraut on Jul 30, 2009 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
We still have Veal and Dumatrait, which I’ll admit doesn’t leave you feeling too confident, but it’s not the end of the world, not to mention Moskos in AA, who could still make it as a reliever. We also have 2 very decent prospects (Owens/Locke) who are either at Lynchburg or should be.
Still, I agree that it’s not smart unless we get something pretty decent in return.
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by BadMaafala on Jul 30, 2009 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's been 35 minutes
Since everyone was saying this deal was done or was nearly done and now nothing. I get the feeling the deal is done, but will not be announced until the Cubs game is over.
by Brakeman8 on Jul 30, 2009 4:52 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
fwiw
the cubs haven’t pulled anyone in their major league game. not sure what’s going on in their minors.
by johnnycuff on Jul 30, 2009 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
None of the MiLB teams are playing at the moment.
by Brakeman8 on Jul 30, 2009 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
They didn’t nee to pull ARam, since he wasn’t starting.
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by BadMaafala on Jul 30, 2009 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
well they did pull derek lee but that’s mostly because they’ve scored a dozen runs today.
by johnnycuff on Jul 30, 2009 4:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hate the idea of trading within the division. Especially someone like Gorzo-whatever who will probably figure it out sooner or later. Former Pirates tend to kill the Pirates
by TravisDW on Jul 30, 2009 4:54 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
A lot of people
tend to kill the Pirates, like Mike Hampton
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by Green_Wave on Jul 30, 2009 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Speaking of Hampton
he was killed by the Cubs yesterday (like Russ Ortiz today).
Don’t the Astros have to decide to buy or sell and do something?
Lots of older players, and then a couple of pitchers who are getting hammered by everyone not known as the Pirates.
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by UtesFan89 on Jul 30, 2009 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Also, a bit old...
but did anyone else see Hampton vs. the…Dodgers I think? Where he was just throwing the ball into his glove, missed, and a run scored from like 3rd b/c the ball went into the crowd? Hilarious.
by Yotum on Jul 30, 2009 5:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
same with the cubs
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by The_Fan on Jul 30, 2009 5:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If you have confidence in your GM...
…you should love trading inside the division, since it’s a double impact. You get a good player, and you put the screws to a direct competitor.
It’s only when you have a Littlefield that it becomes a problem.
by Vlad on Jul 30, 2009 5:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not how trades should work
Trades should be win-win as often as possible. If they’re not – if NH gets a rep for “putting the screws” to the trading partner (note the word choice), then he doesn’t get much trade action anymore.
Remember how DL couldn’t make trades because everyone was sick of him overvaluing his guys?
by JRoth95 on Jul 30, 2009 5:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Screwing the other team isn't a primary goal.
But if it happened to a divisional opponent, I sure wouldn’t cry about it.
by Vlad on Jul 30, 2009 5:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Obviously not
I’m just saying, it’s a fluke, not something you can really plan or achieve regularly.
by JRoth95 on Jul 30, 2009 5:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And naturally the P-G blog won't load
Too many folks trying to access it from their CompuServe accounts, I guess.
by biggyv on Jul 30, 2009 4:55 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Nothing new since DK’s last update about it being almost done
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by Green_Wave on Jul 30, 2009 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cubs are currently playing right now
Top of the 8th so we may not hear anything for another half-hour
ugh
by BadAndy on Jul 30, 2009 4:59 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Like I said....
…I think it’s done and it’s on hold until after the game is over to make the announcement. It is possible a player oin the MLB roster is involved, but just not playing in today’s game.
by Brakeman8 on Jul 30, 2009 4:59 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
cubs players on the bench right now:
pitchers:
r. dempster
k. gregg
a. guzman
r. harden
a. heilman
c. marmol
j. samardzija
j. stevens
r. wells
c. zambrano
hitters:
j. baker
a. ramirez
by johnnycuff on Jul 30, 2009 5:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
just eyeballing it, but these are the practical ones:
guzman – average RH reliever
stevens – 26 y.o. RH reliever
wells – young starter. probably not likely.
baker – crappy 2B. possible stopgap.
i’d look for neil’s shotgun approach to A-ball players here.
by johnnycuff on Jul 30, 2009 5:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, softball timeand much like the Pirates, if I don’t go my team will have no second baseman and #2 hitter! ;-)
by Brakeman8 on Jul 30, 2009 5:00 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
They can just move your third baseman over.
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by BadMaafala on Jul 30, 2009 5:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm sure your team has a good-bat/no-glove guy to replace you, Brakeman
If they don’t, they could give another team $1 to get one.
by JRoth95 on Jul 30, 2009 5:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'M DONE WITH BRAKEMAN'S SOFTBALL TEAM!!!!
by biggyv on Jul 30, 2009 5:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Me too!
Time to find a new team to root for.
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by UtesFan89 on Jul 30, 2009 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Brakeman
make sure to stay after the game. They’re going to trade you to the other team.
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by UtesFan89 on Jul 30, 2009 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
As long as there’s beer, I’ll stay! lol
by Brakeman8 on Jul 30, 2009 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Only if he hits well.
DO BAD ON PURPOSE, BRAKEMAN!!!
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by BadMaafala on Jul 30, 2009 5:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
"Do bad on purpose"
Isn’t that why we ended up with Alderson instead of Bumgarner? :)
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by UtesFan89 on Jul 30, 2009 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What happened?
I go away for a little while and you guys lost us Vitters? lol
At least I was glad to find out I was not part of the trade. lol
For those interested, 2-for-5, scored twice and just missed 2 HRs…including what would have been a grand slam to tie our game…but instead was the last out. :-(
by Brakeman8 on Jul 30, 2009 8:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jeez the pirates are really selling
are we that desperate to rebuild? I was hoping we could do a Rays turnaround with the roster we have, oh well
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by The_Fan on Jul 30, 2009 5:00 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Not with the lack of talent they had
going into the season. The Rays’ young talent is still leaps and bounds ahead of the Bucs’ talent, but we’re making progress.
by biggyv on Jul 30, 2009 5:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yes
they at least ould have contended for wild card or the division lead until late august or september, as I said, oh well
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by The_Fan on Jul 30, 2009 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
if only
we could have picked up a matt morris type player
by SamTheButcher on Jul 30, 2009 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
haha
Im guessing you don’t like me right now
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by The_Fan on Jul 30, 2009 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i like you
you seem like a nice fellow.
i just don’t think you’re correct in your assessment of the teams talent level.
by SamTheButcher on Jul 30, 2009 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
To do a Rays turnaround...
…we need to start with about six years’ worth of good drafts.
by Vlad on Jul 30, 2009 5:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
We're
1/3 of the way there, if this draft works out…
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by UtesFan89 on Jul 30, 2009 5:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
we’ve already got 2 straight solid drafts, we just need 4 more…
by Akshay R on Jul 30, 2009 5:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Beat Me Now
But I wouldn’t be surprised if Micah Houfpouer (sp) is involved
by God Loves on Jul 30, 2009 5:03 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
probably not. they put him in as a PH for derek lee about 20 minutes ago, or after the deal was announced.
by johnnycuff on Jul 30, 2009 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Grabow and Gorzo for Vitters?
We need another 3B.
by IAPiratesFan on Jul 30, 2009 5:04 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
i know how highly touted vitters is
but this deal makes me a little apprehensive… i m not sure we win, in that!
by BurgherKing on Jul 30, 2009 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
they would have pulled him from the game if he was in the deal. he’s still out there.
by johnnycuff on Jul 30, 2009 5:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe they've agreed
that if Fox hits a HR before the game ends (after the deal was agreed upon, without him being pulled), the Cubs have to toss him in for free?
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by UtesFan89 on Jul 30, 2009 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Remember how NH was liking Jeff Baker (Rockies, now Cubs) earlier in the year?
Also a 2nd baseman
by God Loves on Jul 30, 2009 5:08 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
No idea
but Tony Thomas maybe? A 2nd-baseman in AA?
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by UtesFan89 on Jul 30, 2009 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Provided, of course
that we can’t get Castro/Flaherty/Lee from them.
And Thomas is closer to the majors than those 3…
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by UtesFan89 on Jul 30, 2009 5:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
as long as it's not aaron miles
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by Green_Wave on Jul 30, 2009 5:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Man, nothing happening right now
even MLBTR is dead.
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by UtesFan89 on Jul 30, 2009 5:12 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Sun-Times report
Says they’re announcing it after the Cubs game is complete. Top 9 now, so it should be soon.
by biggyv on Jul 30, 2009 5:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
maybe they are waiting for the cubs game to end
by PensRock1 on Jul 30, 2009 5:14 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
if we got fox, i would be pissed, hes already 27
by PensRock1 on Jul 30, 2009 5:15 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Reds
backed off of potential Scott Rolen deal.
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by UtesFan89 on Jul 30, 2009 5:16 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
THEY TRADED THE ONLY JEWISH PIRATE?!?!?
FOR BUBKIS! IM DONE WITH THIS TEAM!
RIP NATE. RIP TONY PLUSH.
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by GTrain on Jul 30, 2009 5:17 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Maybe they'll announce at the press conference...
…that Cutch is converting.
Worked for Carew, right?
by Vlad on Jul 30, 2009 5:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Game over
OK, Chicago. Give us Aramis back now, pretty please.
by Dignan on Jul 30, 2009 5:18 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
my money is on jeff baker + prospects.
by johnnycuff on Jul 30, 2009 5:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
the cubs pulled theriot out of the game
by PensRock1 on Jul 30, 2009 5:19 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Looks like it was just a double switch.
by Dignan on Jul 30, 2009 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jay Jackson...
pulled from start tonight. ?
by joegonzo on Jul 30, 2009 5:19 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Who?
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by UtesFan89 on Jul 30, 2009 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
AA Pitcher
by biggyv on Jul 30, 2009 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not a bad start, if that’s what it is.
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by BadMaafala on Jul 30, 2009 5:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not too bad
but I would expect a couple more are thrown in
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by Green_Wave on Jul 30, 2009 5:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
not bad. 22 in AA. lots of Ks, lots of BBs. pitched for furman, which i only note because their football team beat pitt a few years ago.
by johnnycuff on Jul 30, 2009 5:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No
Pitt came from 17 down in the 4th Qtr to beat Furman in 2004.
by maguro on Jul 30, 2009 5:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Either way
that’s kinda sad. Isn’t it?
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by UtesFan89 on Jul 30, 2009 5:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Even sadder, that was the season Pitt went to a BCS game
by TravisDW on Jul 30, 2009 5:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ugh.
And that’s the team the Utes got?
No offense to Pitt, but should’ve been Auburn/Utah that year.
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by UtesFan89 on Jul 30, 2009 5:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No argument, and I’m a Pitt fan. The bad worst thing about that season was it set up unreasonable expectations for Dave Wanndstet that still linger to this day.
by TravisDW on Jul 30, 2009 5:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Quit talkin crap on my school
We may not be good at sports, but its damn beautiful here.
by thecheeseisblue on Jul 30, 2009 5:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Curious
Where is Furman?
No talking crap on them, but lets be honest… Pitt should’ve blown them out of the water in football
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by UtesFan89 on Jul 30, 2009 5:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh I know
I was kidding. But it’s in South Carolina. Three thousand students, and a thousand acre campus designed by the architect who designed the capitol building. We go lakes and swans and a formal rose and japanese garden. Take that Pitt.
by thecheeseisblue on Jul 30, 2009 5:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Seriously?
That’s nice.
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by UtesFan89 on Jul 30, 2009 5:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
Beautiful and a damn good school. I’m gonna be paying for it for the next thirty years.
by thecheeseisblue on Jul 30, 2009 5:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
lol.
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by UtesFan89 on Jul 30, 2009 5:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I got Mardi Gras
so you can keep your lakes and swans
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by Green_Wave on Jul 30, 2009 5:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Damn.
All I’ve got is… uh, smog. Lots of smog. Anyone wanna trade?
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by UtesFan89 on Jul 30, 2009 5:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'll look for you
uptown on the ave. next year. I ride Smokey Mary in Orpheus.
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by SubLime on Jul 30, 2009 5:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sweet
Now if can remember that…
Show me a guy whos afraid to look bad, and I'll show you a guy you can beat every time. -Lou Brock
by Green_Wave on Jul 30, 2009 5:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just look for
the drunk guy in a mask . . . oh, nevermind.
"Never mistake motion for action." - Ernest Hemingway
by SubLime on Jul 30, 2009 5:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ha
+1
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by Green_Wave on Jul 30, 2009 5:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
In fairness, Michigan actually lost to a I-AA team that wasn’t all that much better than Furman traditionally
by TravisDW on Jul 30, 2009 5:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
oh ok. i knew it was something like that.
by johnnycuff on Jul 30, 2009 5:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Also, he’s 21, not 22.
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by BadMaafala on Jul 30, 2009 5:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Supposedly Jay Jackson was pulled because he’s being promoted to AAA, according to the unreliable Depaoli
by thecheeseisblue on Jul 30, 2009 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It says on...
the Tennessee Smokies site he was promoted.
by joegonzo on Jul 30, 2009 5:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I came over to see if you guys know any more than we do about the trade
I wouldn’t put much stock in who got pulled. with it being a 12-3 game several people got pulled.
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by mjk83 on Jul 30, 2009 5:20 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Wow.
So all of them are Pirates now. That’s awesome!
by IAPiratesFan on Jul 30, 2009 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Comedy
meh
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by Green_Wave on Jul 30, 2009 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Around the Horn
Bashing the Pirates at the moment
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by JR89 on Jul 30, 2009 5:23 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Yinzers
will likely use that as a source that the Pirates FO sucks
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by Green_Wave on Jul 30, 2009 5:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Turn on...
ESPN. Around the Horn, killing the Pirates. Plasche is an idiot.
by dtoddwin on Jul 30, 2009 5:23 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
all of the guys on ath are idiots.
at one point they were probably really good journalists, but that was a long time ago.
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by mjk83 on Jul 30, 2009 5:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Los Angeles reporter
Probably didn’t know who Bay was till he got traded to the Sox
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by Green_Wave on Jul 30, 2009 5:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
KB saying the Pirates should be demoted to the AAA level
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by JR89 on Jul 30, 2009 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Gee, haven’t heard that one before…
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by BadMaafala on Jul 30, 2009 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
How about
sending the Mets to AAA. Spend the second most in baseball and can’t get above .500. But hardly anyone bashes them until their GM goes off the deep end
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by Green_Wave on Jul 30, 2009 5:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's not been off the deep end?
I mean it’s Omar Minaya, He’s so crazy that it’d be nice for him to get to the point where he’s just off the deep end.
by IAPiratesFan on Jul 30, 2009 5:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well
far enough off that they finally had to report something negative about a big market team.
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by Green_Wave on Jul 30, 2009 5:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If anyone should be demoted it’s Washington. For all the people bashing the Pirates and Neal Huntington, have any of these analysts noticed that we’re still 10 games ahead of the Nationals, despite trading away all but 1 person from our opening day lineup last year?
by Akshay R on Jul 30, 2009 5:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes
Sue the Pirates for trading away the core of a 67 win team. Brilliant
Sad thing is some dumbass fan’s going to be like “Yeah…Yeah!!!! Lets sue!!”
by TravisDW on Jul 30, 2009 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Go back in time and sue the 86 Pirates too.
In the last two years, that team has been a joke, Trading away all their best players like Bill Madlock and Kent Tekulve and John Candelaria and George Hendrick and Jason Thompson and Marvell Wynne. Trading those guys were just salary dumps, they’ll never win again without them.
by IAPiratesFan on Jul 30, 2009 5:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think the question is, who at espn all of a sudden has a bug up their ass about the Pirates? It’s been non-stop killing them for the past week on every single radio and TV show. Are they just now noticing how bad things have been here? Probably
by TravisDW on Jul 30, 2009 5:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
even Sportscenter
Mentioning that we’re trying to trade Johnny Depp and the Parrot
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by JR89 on Jul 30, 2009 5:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
How much can we get for them?
I’m all for it.
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by UtesFan89 on Jul 30, 2009 5:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i would bet
johnny depp outearns our entire major league payroll in a year.
by johnnycuff on Jul 30, 2009 5:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Depp
Does he have any velocity on his fastball?
by ILLZ on Jul 30, 2009 5:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
he's probably got a good cutter
edward scissorhands… anyone?
by johnnycuff on Jul 30, 2009 5:32 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
How many win above replacement do you think he brings?
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by BadMaafala on Jul 30, 2009 5:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If you ask ESPN?
Like 70
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by UtesFan89 on Jul 30, 2009 5:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If you ask ESPN they ask what wins above replacement means.
by ILLZ on Jul 30, 2009 5:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
We should try what the angels did
And become the Boston Pirates of Pittsburgh. Then they can blow us all day and give us a free pass on things like trading for Gagne and Kim
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by GTrain on Jul 30, 2009 5:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hate that show
Can’t stand Mariotti, Paige, and every other hack on that show
by BadAndy on Jul 30, 2009 5:26 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Pretty funny
keithlaw: Pirates Trade Neal Huntington to Yankees for Four Single-A GMs #fakenews
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by GTrain on Jul 30, 2009 5:33 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I think they should have held out for more of a blue chip GM.
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by BadMaafala on Jul 30, 2009 5:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
fwiw
all wgn has said is that they are close to making a deal with the pirates.
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by mjk83 on Jul 30, 2009 5:34 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
If it's Jay Jackson?
Can we call him “Shoeless Jay”?
Does he have a moonwalking son named Michael?
Is she really going out with him? Is she going to take him home tonight?
by WstCstBucco on Jul 30, 2009 5:34 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
There’s somethin’ goin’ wrong ’round here.
by ILLZ on Jul 30, 2009 5:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Aaah. Nice. I was trying to avoid that line.
by WstCstBucco on Jul 30, 2009 5:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
When drawing up your return in a trade...
…don’t stop ’til you get enough.
by Vlad on Jul 30, 2009 5:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
doesn’t matter if you’re black or white.
by johnnycuff on Jul 30, 2009 5:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
PTI joinin in on the fun
weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
by BadAndy on Jul 30, 2009 5:36 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Yeah its the GM's Fault
He’s the one making us lose all those games
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by JR89 on Jul 30, 2009 5:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Any speculation on the cubbies site on who we are getting?
rather, any information?
by BurgherKing on Jul 30, 2009 5:38 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
WOW!
Wilbon ripping Neal H a new A-hole…..easy on him homes
by BadAndy on Jul 30, 2009 5:38 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Wilbon is one of the worst analysts I’ve ever seen.
by thecheeseisblue on Jul 30, 2009 5:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The don't even do...
basic research on the topic.
by dtoddwin on Jul 30, 2009 5:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
But at least other guys don’t yell about it like they can’t possibly be wrong.
by thecheeseisblue on Jul 30, 2009 5:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wilbon's reaction to Neal's '27 Yankees quote
Hey Neal you’re not Branch Rickey
by BadAndy on Jul 30, 2009 5:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
How
does that even address the quote?
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by Green_Wave on Jul 30, 2009 5:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I've been scratching my head too
Maybe because Branch Rickey was famous while with the Cards for creating the minor league system where players are bought young by the organization and moved up from Class D to C to B to A to AA to AAA to the majors, and Wilbon is saying that Huntington doesn’t know how to set up a minor league system?
I’m thinking this is giving Wilbon too much credit though. I think he just threw out the only old GM he could name.
by WstCstBucco on Jul 30, 2009 5:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Besides Theo Epstein and Cashman
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by Green_Wave on Jul 30, 2009 5:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, that was quick.
Mentioned the Astros needing to do something… they just released Russ Ortiz after his start today.
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by UtesFan89 on Jul 30, 2009 5:38 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
good
now maybe if they would release hampton we’d be able to beat them.
by johnnycuff on Jul 30, 2009 5:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
OMG....
The PTI guys just killed owners and management for 17 losing seasons. Lumping them all together. F>>>>ing Morons.
by dtoddwin on Jul 30, 2009 5:39 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Has anyone else
noticed that all these reporters that rip the Pirates come from big markets?
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by Green_Wave on Jul 30, 2009 5:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is just like when Paul Allen passed on Jordan when he was 20 and unconnected to the Blazers!
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by GTrain on Jul 30, 2009 5:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
How dare he do that?
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by UtesFan89 on Jul 30, 2009 5:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey Pal,
You’re not Branch Rickey.
Yeah, Neal Huntington is alive. But in all seriousness, these GMs have to get started somewhere and even when they had the 08 team together, they weren’t winning. So what would those idiots suggest he do? Just sorta live with what he had and try not to change things? That’s worked so well in the past….
by IAPiratesFan on Jul 30, 2009 5:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
PTI
You have to take it as entertainment and not accurate sports analysis. It’s good for what it is. I love Cowherd for the same reason.
by ILLZ on Jul 30, 2009 5:40 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
You love the “Big Market good, small market bad. Rich people good, poor people bad. Taxes bad” Show? That’s pretty much the topic every…. single…. day. It’s the only ESPN show I’ve ever actually quit listening to, and I listen to Mike frickin’ Tirico for god sake.
by TravisDW on Jul 30, 2009 5:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hurry it up guys
this is getting boring.
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by UtesFan89 on Jul 30, 2009 5:42 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Dejan
says its done.
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by UtesFan89 on Jul 30, 2009 5:44 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
it's announced per DK
not the terms though. mlbtraderumors says maybe jay jackson.
by johnnycuff on Jul 30, 2009 5:44 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
sorry, here’s the link:
http://twitter.com/mlbtraderumors
RT @kingclip Hearing that the #Cubs may be sending RHP Jay Jackson to the #Pirates in this deal
by johnnycuff on Jul 30, 2009 5:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
heard by mlbtr via kevin goldstein
by johnnycuff on Jul 30, 2009 5:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good news.
I like Jackson.
IIRC, Sickels loves the shit out of him, too.
by Vlad on Jul 30, 2009 5:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hopefully Vitters
punched someone important in the mouth yesterday and they want to get rid of them
by McCutchenIsTheTruth on Jul 30, 2009 5:44 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Now Harold Reynolds
on MLB network, wondering why no one is getting major leaguers back in trades…um Harold, you trade for prospects and prospects are in the minors
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by Green_Wave on Jul 30, 2009 5:47 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
its called a rebuiding plan
it worked for the Marlins! 2 WS titles
tools these national media are
by BadAndy on Jul 30, 2009 5:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ken Rosenthal
now telling it how it is on MLB network. I now have more respect for him
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by Green_Wave on Jul 30, 2009 5:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
is he not completely bashing us for these trades, and does he actually realize what we’re trying to do by making them? I don’t have MLB network, so i can’t actually watch it.
by Akshay R on Jul 30, 2009 5:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
he didn't bash at all
he actually stated the exact plan that (at least as far as we speculate) is going on and said it’s controversial and risky but it could work.
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by Green_Wave on Jul 30, 2009 5:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
wow, finally a reporter who is at least willing to accept that there’s a reason that huntington’s doing what he’s doing, other than that he’s an idiot.
by Akshay R on Jul 30, 2009 5:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
ya
and they have a couple smart people that actually understand what the Pirates are doing on there which is why I watch them for MLB coverage (until I go back to college in August). Just have to ignore Harold Reynolds
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by Green_Wave on Jul 30, 2009 5:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Colin Cowherd
sang a song about the Bucs at the opening of his show today. It was a parody of Styx.
“Come Trade Away With Me.”
I almost threw up in my car.
by WstCstBucco on Jul 30, 2009 5:48 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Sometimes I'm really glad
I don’t watch ESPN religiously. Or at all, for that matter
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by UtesFan89 on Jul 30, 2009 5:48 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
or not
RT @espnchicago BREAKING NEWS: Cubs send Hart, Ascanio to Pittsburgh for Grabow, Gorzelanny http://www.ESPNChicago.com
via mlbtr
by johnnycuff on Jul 30, 2009 5:49 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
That's not a bad deal for you guys
Ascanio and Hart have both looked great at the major league level this year.
"That pitch wasn’t down and in, that pitch was down and up." Tim McCarver
by wrigleyrocker12 on Jul 30, 2009 5:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
trade
The Pittsburgh Pirates today announced that they have acquired right-handed pitchers Kevin Hart and Jose Ascanio and infielder Josh Harrison from the Chicago Cubs organization in exchange for left-handed pitchers John Grabow and Tom Gorzelanny. The announcement was made by Pirates Senior Vice President, General Manager Neal Huntington.
by Slizeezyc on Jul 30, 2009 5:49 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
No idea
good or bad?
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by UtesFan89 on Jul 30, 2009 5:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Harrison is a 10-20 prospect for Cubs
And the other two have looked solid in limited time.
by Slizeezyc on Jul 30, 2009 5:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was really hoping for Jay Jackson
Who are these guys?
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by Green_Wave on Jul 30, 2009 5:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
cubs players
im not familiar with Harrison, but ascanio did alright when they brought him up earlier this year. Kevin hart has pitched about as well as can be expected in his past few starts.
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by mjk83 on Jul 30, 2009 5:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Harrison could turn into a good player
Can play a few positions, and has the potential to have 280+ average and 20+ home runs. Hart has a little trouble with walks, and Ascanio has looked good in the majors.
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by wrigleyrocker12 on Jul 30, 2009 5:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
How many 5'8" players...
have the potential to hit 20 HRs?? Color me highly doubtful on that scouting report.
by Thunder on Jul 30, 2009 6:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mike Fontenot
Was on pace for it last year.
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by wrigleyrocker12 on Jul 30, 2009 7:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not to mention
It was a typo that was supposed to read 10+ anyway.
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by wrigleyrocker12 on Jul 30, 2009 7:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lol, Moskos has 7 BB’s in 2 IP.
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by BadMaafala on Jul 30, 2009 5:49 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Dang!
Is that today?
He’d be a perfect fit for Veal. Can we trade Veal away?
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by UtesFan89 on Jul 30, 2009 5:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I was bored while all this waiting was going on.
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by BadMaafala on Jul 30, 2009 5:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Only 1 ER, though. So 2H, 7 BB’s, 1ER. That’s talent, there.
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by BadMaafala on Jul 30, 2009 5:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Almost as good
as Grabow does. Glad we have him to load the bases then get out…oh, nevermind
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by Green_Wave on Jul 30, 2009 5:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The picked off one guy and Tabata threw another guy out at home.
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by BadMaafala on Jul 30, 2009 5:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bummed we're not gettin Flaherty or Jackson
But Kevin Hart is million times better than Vasquez
by BadAndy on Jul 30, 2009 5:51 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Hart
what position does he play?
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by UtesFan89 on Jul 30, 2009 5:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hart and Ascanio are starting pitchers. Harrison is a second baseman, but DK is saying he’s not in the deal.
by shayborg on Jul 30, 2009 5:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
via MLBTR
Cubs press release included Harrison
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by UtesFan89 on Jul 30, 2009 5:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
My mistake. Harrison is actually playing third base nowadays.
by shayborg on Jul 30, 2009 5:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
it looks like he’s played as much 2B and OF as 3B this year. never played 3B until this year.
by johnnycuff on Jul 30, 2009 5:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
gorzo
Isn’t gonna hold back when asked about the deal. I think he’s from chicago,b ut grew up a sox fan.
I know nothing of these players we just got in return.
Good day.
by Uncle Nate on Jul 30, 2009 5:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Vazquez wasnt in any long-term plans
and I dont see why we should be trading for short term fill-ins
that said, i havent a clue what we are getting in those 3.
by BurgherKing on Jul 30, 2009 5:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hart is Cubs' #6 prospect
According to BA
by biggyv on Jul 30, 2009 5:52 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
So we got a couple MLB ready guys?
Will that keep the “I’m done with this team” fanshots/posts down after this trade?
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by UtesFan89 on Jul 30, 2009 5:55 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Ok
where is that prospect list now? the one with top 30 cubbies?
by BurgherKing on Jul 30, 2009 5:55 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Hart #6.
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by UtesFan89 on Jul 30, 2009 5:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sickels
http://www.minorleagueball.com/2008/11/29/675375/chicago-cubs-top-20-prospe
Has Harrison in “others”
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by UtesFan89 on Jul 30, 2009 5:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It’s almost like it’s tougher to project how good prospects are than people make it out to be
by TravisDW on Jul 30, 2009 5:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Damn, I really liked Ascanio, he was really good when he was in the Bigs this year.
Kevin Hart doesn’t have that much of a ceiling, but he’s an adequate 5 starter who knows how to bat. Damn, really can’t believe they let Ascanio go.
by NittanyCub on Jul 30, 2009 5:56 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Hart
Assets
Has a good frame for a hurler and a pretty solid arsenal of pitches. Can start or relieve and understands the art of pitching.
Flaws
Doesn’t own overpowering stuff as a starter, so his strikeout total are a little sub-par when in that role. Must cut down on his walk total.
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by UtesFan89 on Jul 30, 2009 5:58 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Gorzo
going to Class AAA Iowa according to DK
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by Green_Wave on Jul 30, 2009 6:00 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Hart got the win today, BTW
Interesting to see the front of Bleed Cubbie Blue:
http://www.bleedcubbieblue.com/2009/7/30/968904/first-pitch-thread-cubs-vs-astros
by biggyv on Jul 30, 2009 6:00 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Ascanio
Assets
Has a live arm and the repertoire to be an effective reliever. Proved capable of serving as a closer in the minors.
Flaws
Needs to settle down more so as to avoid serving up a lot of walks at the big-league level. Is a little too hittable.
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by UtesFan89 on Jul 30, 2009 6:00 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Hold on, is the trade Harrison, Hart and Ascanio for Grabow and Gorzo, or just Hart and Ascanio for Grabow and Gorzo?
Because I’ve heard both reports now, and I don’t know which one is true.
by Akshay R on Jul 30, 2009 6:00 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Harrison is confirmed. DK didn’t have him in there initially but added him later.
by shayborg on Jul 30, 2009 6:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
thanks, just searched it, and found that the cubs confirmed that harrison’s in there too via press release.
by Akshay R on Jul 30, 2009 6:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Neal Huntington must have brass balls
all this had better turn out
by mcboomofdoom on Jul 30, 2009 6:00 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
By the way
Hart pitched today
IP H R ER BB SO HR PC-ST ERA
6.0 6 3 3 2 4 2 102-65 2.60
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by Green_Wave on Jul 30, 2009 6:00 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
that’s tough to read
2 BB, 4 K’s, 3 ER, 6 Hits, 6 IP, 2 HR
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by Green_Wave on Jul 30, 2009 6:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not convinced this is a win
I don’t mind the return, from what I can see, but I’m not sure that it’s worth more than the 2 we had in hand.
by JRoth95 on Jul 30, 2009 6:01 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I’m not thrilled about parting with Gorzo.
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by BadMaafala on Jul 30, 2009 6:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If Hart
turns out to be better than Gorzo, then I call it a win. If not then it will be tough to tell until down the road
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by Green_Wave on Jul 30, 2009 6:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think that ends up being the key to the deal
(if nothing else, seems like NH like Hart more than Gorzo)
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by UtesFan89 on Jul 30, 2009 6:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Of course
But I’m dubious – he doesn’t look obviously likely to be better than Gorzo. Plus, as a righty, inherently less valuable.
Look, if we get 6 years of Hart as a reliable 4-5 guy, then it’s worth it (barring Gorzo showing 3 years as a 2-3 guy, which is certainly possible, and clearly worth more). But that’s a lot to assume right now.
The other guys are warm bodies – neither one looks likely to be an above-average MLer, although of course that could change.
by JRoth95 on Jul 30, 2009 6:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't know much about these guys
have to do some reading. That said…
in NH I trust.
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by UtesFan89 on Jul 30, 2009 6:02 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I’d love to blindly trust NH, but I just don’t see any logic to this one. Grabow is arbitration eligible, but the Pirates have his rights. There’s just not much return here. And as disappointing as Gorzo has been due to work ethic/conditioning, he’s an MLB ready starter who’s rights are controlled for years. He could be a cheap filler in case of injury (or trade) and he still has some upside. There was no reason to dump him, unless he’s damaged goods with some undisclosed health issue under the radar, like so many players dealt to the Pirates at the deadline.
by chicos_pants on Jul 30, 2009 6:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hart
is also a MLB-ready starter who’s rights are controlled for years.
Harrison is a MI, which we need.
Ascanio is a RH reliever who has the ability to close.
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by UtesFan89 on Jul 30, 2009 6:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Which equals
Ascanio > Grabow
Hart = Gorzo? (maybe better, maybe worse, don’t know yet)
Harrison, much needed therefore=plus addition
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by Green_Wave on Jul 30, 2009 6:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's the upside prediction, I think.
Not convinced about Ascanio, from what little I’ve read.
Barring Hart exceeding expectations, it may hinge on Ascanio.
by JRoth95 on Jul 30, 2009 6:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Pirates actually don’t have Grabow’s rights next year. They can offer him arbitration, but he can decline and become a free agent.
by shayborg on Jul 30, 2009 6:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If I were Grabow I’d have declined and gone the FA route which i’m thinking the pirates know that. A lefty and decent lefty at that.
Pirates could always try to resign him in FA, but idk if we can compete dollar wise.
by lfhlaw on Jul 30, 2009 6:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
In which case we get 2 sandwich picks.
by JRoth95 on Jul 30, 2009 6:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Only if he declines and someone signs him
which I had my doubts he would do so and that anyone would forfeit a pick for him plus the money to sign him.
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by Green_Wave on Jul 30, 2009 6:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
In which case we have his rights
It’s not like Grabow was going to be unemployed next season.
by JRoth95 on Jul 30, 2009 6:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't want another year of Grabow
He is bound to have a bad season at any point
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by Green_Wave on Jul 30, 2009 6:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Which is why
you get rid of him on a good season instead of keeping on a year by year basis
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by Green_Wave on Jul 30, 2009 6:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He could be.
Grabow isn’t any better than other mid-level relievers who’ve gotten jammed up after declining arb, like Manzanillo or Cruz.
by Vlad on Jul 30, 2009 6:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Any idea if any of these guys are coming straight onto the Pirates roster, or are they all heading somewhere in the minors?
by Akshay R on Jul 30, 2009 6:03 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I would guess Hart and Ascanio go into the rotation and the bullpen, respectively, and VV heads back to AAA.
by shayborg on Jul 30, 2009 6:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ascanio
currently heading to AAA
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by UtesFan89 on Jul 30, 2009 6:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
10 percent
With Grabow and his salary gone, the Bucs 2009 team salary going forward will be 10 percent of the Yankees and close to half of the Marlins. The Marlins! Holy smokes, that is an unbelievable statistic.
Here’s hoping that the castoffs we’re getting will amount to more than the loveable losers they are replacing.
by Papa J on Jul 30, 2009 6:04 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Just curious...
and unrelated to this trade…
is a .410 OBP good or bad?
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by UtesFan89 on Jul 30, 2009 6:05 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Good
really good In my opinion
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by Green_Wave on Jul 30, 2009 6:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Anything over .400 is usually considered elite level.
by Schide on Jul 30, 2009 6:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Okay
just curious, because the Rockies want Nick Johnson and his .410 OBP bat as a bench bat (via MLBTR) and while that sounded ridiculous, I wanted to make sure…
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by UtesFan89 on Jul 30, 2009 6:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
With
how much they are going to have to give up to get him (and I think he’s a free agent at the end of the year), I think it would be dumb to relegate him to the bench
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by Green_Wave on Jul 30, 2009 6:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Judgin from the minor league stats
Harrison is silimar to D’Arnuad with better contact
by BadAndy on Jul 30, 2009 6:05 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
always
good to multiple options to protect from injury, flaming out, etc
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by Green_Wave on Jul 30, 2009 6:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Do they keep Hart in Pitt
and remove V-squared from the rotation now?
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by UtesFan89 on Jul 30, 2009 6:05 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Dejan
Hart will join the Pirates immediately. Ascanio will go to Class AAA Indianapolis, Harrison to Class A Lynchburg.
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by UtesFan89 on Jul 30, 2009 6:05 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
You know, as much as I’m all in favor of this rebuilding plan, that really doesn’t look good at all. But oh well, money doesn’t buy wins
by TravisDW on Jul 30, 2009 6:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yep
Just ask the Mets
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by UtesFan89 on Jul 30, 2009 6:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Funny
both starters from the Houston and Cubs game are no longer with the team they started for
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by Green_Wave on Jul 30, 2009 6:08 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I missed...
what happened to Ortiz?? Released??
by Thunder on Jul 30, 2009 6:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yep
unconditionally released after the game
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by UtesFan89 on Jul 30, 2009 6:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
An easy prediction...
some time before the end of the season…Gorzo shuts out the Pirates on 4 hits.
by Thunder on Jul 30, 2009 6:09 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
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“Mister Hart, here is a dime. Take it, call your mother, and tell her there is serious doubt about you ever becoming a lawyer.”
by WstCstBucco on Jul 30, 2009 6:10 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Harrison
most of his time has come at 2nd base (until this season). Can we assume the Pirates move him back there?
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by UtesFan89 on Jul 30, 2009 6:11 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Tough to think he can beat out Pedro at 3B.
by WstCstBucco on Jul 30, 2009 6:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Isn't
Pedro moving to 1st eventually though?
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by UtesFan89 on Jul 30, 2009 6:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m anxiously awaiting to see what the PBC does with Pedro at the Arizona Instructional League this winter.
I was sure Pedro was a future 1B up till I’ve watched “Kung Fu Panda” Pablo Sandoval play 3B for the Giants the last couple weeks.
Surely Pedro can’t get as big as Sandoval?
by WstCstBucco on Jul 30, 2009 6:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pedro doesn't appear to have...
…Sandoval’s coordination or lateral mobility.
by Vlad on Jul 30, 2009 6:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You may be right, Vlad. Pablo is like a ballet dancer out there. He’s really fun to watch.
by WstCstBucco on Jul 30, 2009 6:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pahahahahaha
I saw Pedro a couple of weeks ago. Not happening.
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by fugimaster24 on Jul 30, 2009 6:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Always more valuable
to be able to play multiple positions.
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by Green_Wave on Jul 30, 2009 6:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think so
Unless Delwyn’s the 2b of The Future.
by JRoth95 on Jul 30, 2009 6:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yinzers
are kinda angry on the PBC blog
Complaining about another doubles hitting 3rd baseman (even though he can play 2nd as well) and that Gorzo is better than Hart, and that Ascanio is garbage because he’s a middle reliever (essentially what Grabow was)
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by Green_Wave on Jul 30, 2009 6:16 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Well
they’ll complain about anything.
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by UtesFan89 on Jul 30, 2009 6:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Are you sure they're wrong?
Honestly, this smells like a trade for trading’s sake.
It would take the return guys maxing out potential and the going guys crapping (Nady/Marte style) out for this to pay off.
by JRoth95 on Jul 30, 2009 6:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Grabow and Gorzo have both had very high walk rates in the majors the last couple years. It’s not hard to imagine them both flaming out.
by shayborg on Jul 30, 2009 6:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fair enough
It’s also easy to imagine Hart pitching about like Ohlendorf, Ascanio pitching like Jackson (or worse), and the fielder never even reaching the bigs.
These are not anything like can’t-miss guys.
by JRoth95 on Jul 30, 2009 6:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
They weren't
going to get can’t miss guys though. Unless Gorzo becomes a number 2 and Hart remains a number 5, this trade is at least equal on both sides
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by Green_Wave on Jul 30, 2009 6:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Right
They were going to get “Can’t Miss” guys from Grabow and a AAA pitcher.
by TravisDW on Jul 30, 2009 6:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
AAA Pitcher?
Be serious. He’s been a 14 game winner, with better peripherals that year. There are issues, but if NH hadn’t been screwing around on his arbitration, he would have been starting in Pittsburgh since June.
by JRoth95 on Jul 30, 2009 6:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Whatever the reasons
He’s been in AAA most of the past two years and when he’s been up here his ERA’s been over 6. If you thought you were getting anything of note for him you’re nuts. Now the argument could be made “why trade him in the first place?” but I think it’s obvious Neal doesn’t really think much of him
by TravisDW on Jul 30, 2009 6:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If Hart pitches like Ohlendorf...
…then that’s a win for us right there. Gorzo isn’t particularly likely to reach that level ever again, and Grabow is a middling reliever with bone chips in his elbow.
by Vlad on Jul 30, 2009 6:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
How do you figure
Grabow is a free agent at the end of the year and is basically a LOOGY. Ascanio has the ability to be better than him. Hart is doing good in the majors right now while Gorzo has started in the majors this year at all. They could end up equalling out and it would still be a win. Plus, the Pirates got a much needed MI
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by Green_Wave on Jul 30, 2009 6:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Gorzo hasn’t started because NH hasn’t wanted him to start. It has nothing to do with talent or aptitude. Gorzo’s ceiling is higher, IMO.
Grabow went 6 perfect batters yesterday. That is not LOOGY material.
The Pirates have MIs at A. What they lack is MIs at AA, AAA, or MLB.
I’m not saying it’s a terrible trade. I’m saying it feels like a mediocre trade, with a best-case* upside of “not much.”
- best realistic case, obviously. Gorzo gets run down by a bus tomorrow, and it becomes a big win
by JRoth95 on Jul 30, 2009 6:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Grabow
is viewed as a LOOGY by everyone else. One good outing doesn’t change a pitchers status.
Better ceilings is debatable and will never be solved even 20 years later because of injuries and situations being factored in.
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by Green_Wave on Jul 30, 2009 6:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dodgers have interest
in Capps.
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by UtesFan89 on Jul 30, 2009 6:19 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Even after getting Sherrill?
Besides, they have Capps+ in Broxton, no?
by Yotum on Jul 30, 2009 6:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
no idea what they’re thinking, but if they’ll pay up, I’ll take it.
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by UtesFan89 on Jul 30, 2009 6:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dodgers want Capps???
Wonder what the world looks like through Ned Colletti’s eye glasses?
by WstCstBucco on Jul 30, 2009 6:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
maybe we could buy low on Ivan DeJesus Jr? didn’t he break his leg earlier this year?
by los angeles bucco of anaheim on Jul 30, 2009 6:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
progress
have you heard anything about how he’s recovering? I live in los angeles, but the funny thing about successful teams is that people don’t pay attention to the minors.
by los angeles bucco of anaheim on Jul 30, 2009 6:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wait a minute
I can see the logic of trading Grabow, but Gorzo, a LH starter? For this? I haven’t had doubts about the money issue, but this is a bit reminiscient of a certain team cleaning house before selling itself. I’ve been a HUGE NH fan, pls help explain.
by pizibao on Jul 30, 2009 6:19 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm guessing
NH is higher on Hart than Gorzo. Truthfully no idea though.
Or they know something about Gorzo that we don’t…
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by UtesFan89 on Jul 30, 2009 6:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Gorzo already has three years of service time, while Hart barely has one. Hart is about the same age and has been better in the minors recently. They’re probably not that far apart in value.
As far as Grabow goes, he’s not a great pitcher, so I’m happy that we got two useful players back for him.
by shayborg on Jul 30, 2009 6:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yep
seems like NH prefers Hart to Gorzo.
That leaves Grabow for Ascanio + Harrison
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by UtesFan89 on Jul 30, 2009 6:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The explanation:
Gorzo isn’t ever likely to pitch again the way that he pitched in 2007. He hasn’t shown the same type of stuff over the last two years, and he’s got persistent issues with both command and platoon splits. Also, he came to camp out of shape, and he’s dumb as a bag of hair, which limits his coachability.
A lot of people here are assuming that he’s a sure-fire rebound, and he’s not. He’s a back-of-the-rotation guy or lefty reliever, from here on out, most likely.
by Vlad on Jul 30, 2009 6:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Looking at the PBC synopsis
of the three players the Bucs got, i feel like this could be a good deal. The Cubs fan don’t like it over at the SB Nation blog of theirs so that’s gotta be something
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by Green_Wave on Jul 30, 2009 6:30 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
The smarter of the Cub fans I know...
…seem disappointed to be losing Ascanio, so that’s a good sign.
None of these three were really on my radar, so I can’t comment too much on what I think of it just yet.
by Vlad on Jul 30, 2009 6:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Youse guys
came up with some funny sheaut in this thread. Only wish I’d been home from work to appreciate it & contribute.
That being said, I’m not sure I like this trade as much as the others.
Evaluation time is in order here.
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