I agree with you on the salaries or the money, I don’t want it put into Nuttings pockets, whether its saved for future salaries or on more latin signings,whatever, just don’t keep it for himself. As far as trading, they should be traded for the best players they can get no matter their level. If the best player is a 19 yr old who we won’t see for 5 years or a 25 yr old ready to play right now, get the best players. I could care less who we start until we have a legitimate prospect to be the everyday player. I’d rather lose 130 games with players that aren’t major leaguers and have top notch prospects in the system who will contribute to a winner in the future than lose 95 games with marginal talent and no talent to turn to in the future. Sometimes playing guys early works out too, the Marlins have done this everytime they rebuild, Hanley went straight to the majors from AA, Uggla was a rule 5 who nobody thought had the talent to be a major leaguer, and countless others. Just trade for the best players whether they are 5 years away or ready to play right now, and keep the money saved on salaries in the organization in some capacity, not in Nuttings pockets.

But we’re kinda doing that. Ohlendorf and Morton pretty much went straight into the rotation, and I think we’re getting what we expected to be getting. Both might even be better than we could have expected. They didn’t get much experience because they were stuck behind superior talent (in the eyes of their teams, anyway) and thus were available on the cheap. Good for us. So cool your jets on the hitters, they’ll come.

if we trade Freddy and not Jack. Jack is going to be pissed and go on a rampage around the clubhouse.

Well Jack has been amenable to doing another long term contract i think. and the PBC and Jack have mentioned it.

One of the few things i’m not sold on…is how we’re going to replace him. I think Jack is an above average SS defensively. Now offensively he’s never been anything great, but when he was out for the injury. It was sorely noticeable that he takes away alot of hits that other SS might let go by. But if we get some decent prospects for him then i guess i could live with that.

As for Freddy Sanchez, most likely i see him being traded especially with the decent doubles power and contact hitting he has been showing this year again after last year’s injury plagued season. I don’t see the PBC extending his contract. Again, good prospects for this trade won’t bother me.

Adam LaRoche i could care less about. He’s a good field in some respects at 1B, but his hitting sometimes frustrates me. and along with his normal early season struggles to me he’s just an average 1B with a good glove. If we get lucky we get a bench 1B or someone who strikes out alot too lol.

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if we do trade Andy, Jack and Freddy that it would be best if we do so for major-league ready talent only; at least that’s what I think you mean by “somewhat experienced”. That was the Dave Littlefield approach to trading and the problem with it is that teams that want to make a run usually can’t afford to part with a good major-league-ready player; if they did that they would ordinarily be just addressing one weakness be creating another. Accordingly, it makes more sense for rebuilding teams like the Pirates to trade their veterans for minor-league talent since they can acquire players with far more upside that way.

Be patient. The next couple of years are likely to be difficult but the Pirates are headed in the right dircetion under current management.