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Marlins 5, Pirates 0: Ricky Nolasco Dominates Bucs

Ricky Nolasco struck out twelve Pirates batters on Sunday, going eight innings and allowing only three hits, two of them infield singles by Andrew McCutchen. Unlike a lot of starting pitchers who've dominated the Pirates this year, Nolasco is actually pretty good (his struggles this season notwithstanding), and he had a terrific breaking ball working today. Ross Ohlendorf took all five runs in the loss but didn't really pitch all that badly--he had three strikeouts against one walk, and he didn't get hit all that hard. (UPDATE: Watching the start more carefully again today and there are problems--Ohlendorf leaves some balls up, and some of his pitches out of the strike zone are too far out to really fool anyone.)

A few notes:

Sanchez Named to All-Star Game
Freddy Sanchez has been named a reserve to the NL All-Star team. Because he was selected, the number of plate appearances he needs to have this year to guarantee his 2010 option decreases from 635 to 600. He's already on pace for 680 or so, so it's very likely he won't be a free agent after the season, whether he's still with the Pirates or not.

 Fort Meade's McCutchen Has Won Over Pittsburgh Fans | theledger.com | The Ledger | Lakeland, FL
Nice profile of Andrew McCutchen in his hometown paper.

The Charleston Gazette - For Sanchez, it's been a long, hectic month
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in my perfect world

people will stop saying Brandon Moss deserves more at bats. He’s on pace for over 400 ABs this year, and he’s done bupkis. Why is he inherently deserving of ABs when others who are actually producing (Young) and have produced better when given the chance (Pearce) have to ride the pine.

by mocasdad on Jul 5, 2009 4:50 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

In MY perfect world...

…people will understand why Moss is more deserving of corner OF ABs than people who have basically zero chance of becoming corner OF starters.

by Vlad on Jul 6, 2009 10:37 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed

Brandon Moss isn’t really that great, but yet, he’s better than all the other options that the team actually has.

by Androgen Jar Jimmy on Jul 6, 2009 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Anyone here

thinks Delwyn would continue to OPS .817 if given another 200 at-bats, raise your hand.

by bucdaddy on Jul 5, 2009 5:41 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Anyone here

think Mossie will produce raise your hand. I was the first on the NH bandwagon with this trade, but the dude has been a major bust. No getting around it.

by Hitman Easler on Jul 5, 2009 6:30 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I won’t be raising my hand. I’ve been supporting Moss this whole time saying that he should play out the rest of the year to see if he’s going to be the Bucs’ right fielder of the future (and he probably still should get a majority of the starts), but with each passing game, he continues to prove that he’s not starting material in the big leagues. He’s a fourth outfielder at best, just like he was with the Red Sox and just like he will be the rest of his career if he can’t step his play up. There’s no doubt that he’s our second best defensive outfielder behind Cutch, but it’s all about hitting. If you can hit, teams are going to find a spot for you to play in the field (in the National League anyway). That’s why Delwyn Young, although his defense is suspect, is getting a majority of the starts in RF and Jones in LF. Until Moss proves he can hit both lefties and righties as well as produce on a consistent basis, he will be a platoon player at best. I think when Milledge gets called up (whenever that is), you will see an outfield of Milledge, McCutchen and Jones with Moss sprinkled in here and there. By no means am I on the Garrett Jones bandwagon yet, but Jones has the same number of HR in four games that Moss has for the entire season! Will Jones keep it up? Who knows. But you can’t argue with the production to this point. I don’t think Moss is the answer in RF for the Pirates.

by mspirate on Jul 5, 2009 6:59 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You can’t prove you can hit lefties if you aren’t playing.

by Thunder on Jul 5, 2009 7:06 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well, I guess the coaches have already come to the conclusion that he can’t hit lefties, and their decision is the only one that matters.

by mspirate on Jul 5, 2009 7:22 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Weak

Where does this argument come from? He has played against lefties.

by Hitman Easler on Jul 6, 2009 6:49 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

When?

JR continues to bench him against lefties for guys like Young & Hinske…

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by UtesFan89 on Jul 6, 2009 8:18 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I’ve been supporting Moss this whole time

You mean primarily since Monroe has been gone, don’t you? Yeah. If you’d like, I can go through the archives…

Free your ass and your mind will follow.

by cocktailsfor2 on Jul 5, 2009 7:26 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Haha….At this point, I just laugh at you.

by mspirate on Jul 5, 2009 7:32 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's okay,

most of BD laughs at you.

Free your ass and your mind will follow.

by cocktailsfor2 on Jul 5, 2009 7:36 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Alright, that’s enough, both of you. :)

by Charlie on Jul 5, 2009 7:44 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Aw, c’mon, dad!

We’re just havin’ fun!

;-)

Free your ass and your mind will follow.

by cocktailsfor2 on Jul 5, 2009 7:49 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, just a fight between brothers. We can fight as much as we want, but in the end, we still love each other!

by mspirate on Jul 5, 2009 7:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You have a brother on here cocktails?

I’m afraid you failed to inform the rest of us.

hahaha.

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by gorillakilla34 on Jul 5, 2009 8:06 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

No comment.

Free your ass and your mind will follow.

by cocktailsfor2 on Jul 5, 2009 8:28 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Moss' splits

Majors: .726 vs. RHPs, .717 vs. LHPs

Minors (since 2005): .816 vs. RHPs, .804 vs. LHPs.

by WTM on Jul 5, 2009 7:35 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well, that sure is inconvenient!

by matskralc on Jul 5, 2009 9:17 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

In other words

He sucks as a MLB player.

by Hitman Easler on Jul 6, 2009 6:50 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

As opposed to anybody else they’ve got available now?

by WTM on Jul 6, 2009 10:23 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Heh

That’s your argument WTM? You can do better.

by Hitman Easler on Jul 6, 2009 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

This from a guy whose contribution is “he sucks.”

by WTM on Jul 6, 2009 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah.

At this point, why bother looking up evidence and trying to persuade people who aren’t prepared to think or listen anyway?

Not very rewarding, in my experience.

by Vlad on Jul 6, 2009 10:58 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The ball jumps off Moss's bat

like water from the Manneken Pis. It’s plain to see that he’s got no power. He hits the ball square and it ends up as a lazy fly ball. He crushes it, and it lands in the gap before the track or maybe finds the first row of seats.

On the other hand, Jones makes solid contact and the thing flies off the bat like it’s got some place to go. Also, you take a look at the at bats Jones has had since he’s been called up, and he has given good at bats almost every time.

by MarkInDallas on Jul 5, 2009 7:45 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

3800 minor league at bats don't lie

Jones is not a big-league hitter.

by maguro on Jul 5, 2009 8:49 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

We’ll find out rather quickly…

by mspirate on Jul 5, 2009 9:10 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I hope not.

by maguro on Jul 5, 2009 9:16 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nothing to do with today's game but...

Lastings Milledge was supposed to report to Triple-A Indy today. I know the Indians played a doubleheader today. Anybody know if Milledge played today?

by mspirate on Jul 5, 2009 9:13 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, but DK reported that Milledge was going to be sent to Triple-A Indianapolis by today.

by mspirate on Jul 5, 2009 11:01 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Moss

I understand his numbers aren’t amazing, but it really does seem that he’s been playing better as of late. (Maybe not though.) Sure, I don’t have numbers to back it up or anything, but it does seem that way (when he plays). Though I wouldn’t say he’s a #3 hitter or anything (which I think is where JR hit him today).

Sure, his HR numbers aren’t solid, but he’s hitting for some power… he’s got a lot of doubles and a couple of triples. And, unlike most of the OFs on the team, he’s not a butcher in the OF. Who knows, maybe he’s just a 4th OF… but you’re not going to find out by leaving him on the bench.

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by UtesFan89 on Jul 5, 2009 9:18 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

This is why you can never trust your eyes

In evaluating ballplayers. It sounds crazy, but think of it this way: If an average fan goes to 15 of the team’s games a year, and sees 2 players, one a .275 hitter and one a .300 hitter, there is actually a 40% chance of seeing the .275 hitter record more hits. “The difference between a good hitter and an average hitter is simply not visible- its a matter of record.”

As for Moss:

Over his last 10 games, he has 6 hits in 30 ABs (.200 BA for those keeping score at home), but since I hate batting average as a measure of a batter’s efficiency, his OBP is floundering at a Mendoza-esque .273. (OK, slight exaggeration, as Mr. Mendoza’s career OBP was actually .245. How this guy played 9 seasons is beyond me). Anyway, he also has 1 XBH (at least its a homerun), 3 walks and 8 Ks. He has been atrocious lately, plain and simple.

I would certainly agree we will never find out what we have by benching him, and he’s certainly not the butcher of the OF. He does have 15 doubles on the year and 2 triples, both of which rank second on the team behind Freddy and Cutch respectively. So yes, he does have some power, which MAY develop with age, but the guy is slugging .390 on the season. His OPS (widely regarded as the end all batting statistic, but it still weights power a little heavy. Anyway, a discussion for another day) sits a nice even .700. I’m just saying, but the next guy on the team: Zach Duke…

by glass0941 on Jul 6, 2009 2:58 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Mendoza was a really important player!

Without him, we wouldn’t know who was replacement level and who was not! He’s a sabermetric Jesus!

But really, since we have no better option to put in the outfield, we might as well see what Moss can do in a season’s time.

by ryebr3ad on Jul 6, 2009 3:33 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's a bit of a disappointing season so far...

…but some perspective is in order.

I remember being excited about a certain young outfielder as a potential regular in 2006. He’d done well in a cup of coffee the year before, and had a good (but not super-terrific) track record in the minors, and I was curious what he’d do if given the chance. Well, it turned out that he’d hit .233/.293/.385 in 270 AB, much worse than Moss’s season to date. I got disappointed, and mentally I gave up on him as a potential regular.

Fortunately, Nate didn’t need my support to turn out well, but I think the lesson here is a useful one.

by Vlad on Jul 6, 2009 10:47 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

since I started the discussion

I Iike all of NH’s deal’s except the JB trade. I think he got pushed into a bad trade at the deadline. Rookie mistake. Nothing since then has bothered me. Not that my opinion matters.

by mocasdad on Jul 5, 2009 9:49 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I also liked the Nady Marte tradeq

especially upon seeing Tabata one game in AA. Bullet line drives and covering CF gapto gap.

by mocasdad on Jul 5, 2009 9:53 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Does anyone else see the silver lining

With Ian Snell’s recent performances. I mean, if he isn’t going to put his obvious talent to work in Pittsburgh, I’d rather see him “frustrate” me by pitching well in Indy, which I would think
(correct me if I’m wrong and to be clear, I’m talking about pitching well in Indy VERSUS not pitching well in Indy. I’ve thrown out the variable in which he pitches well in Pittsburgh)
could only enhance his trade value.

Thoughts, Comments?

by McCutchenIsTheTruth on Jul 6, 2009 12:43 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Should we call this 'pulling a Bixler'?

A legitimate looking AAA player, who totally wrecks any possible value in a trade by blowing up in the majors, albeit for a week of playing time…

If we plan on trading Ian, it would be good to do so before he makes his return to the majors.

by ryebr3ad on Jul 6, 2009 12:47 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Conceptually yes, but really...

Ian’s value pre-return to the majors is minimal. Unless they keep him down there for 15 more starts, and they’re all as good as the first 2 (which seems a lot to ask), at which point teams will (presumably) be willing to say, ‘OK, here’s a guy whom NH will never bring back up, but as best we can tell he’s got his head (semi-)back. He’s worth a trade.’

But really, I think that other teams want to see Ian back in Pittsburgh before they’re willing to part with any talent for him. I think calling him a Bixler is kind of silly – Bixler has never had the least bit of ML success – but leaving him in Indy tells other teams that the Pirates don’t value him, which is not exactly the position to be in if you want return on a trade (of course, NH saying, “I don’t value him” also sends the message that the Pirates don’t value him…). If Ian does this for another half dozen starts, then comes up and has 2 strong (not merely adequate) starts, then he can be moved. But as long as he’s in Indy, his head is a huge question mark (if he comes up and performs, his head reduces to a big question mark).

by JRoth95 on Jul 6, 2009 9:57 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree

  I’m puzzled about why there’s so little sentiment to let Ian get his head straight in Indianapolis and come back to the PBC and see if he can succeed. Doesn’t this nibbling look like a lack of confidence? The guy has had success in the past. I’m not eager to get rid of a good arm just because its owner says stupid things to sportswriters.

by Zadoras on Jul 6, 2009 10:36 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

*nitpick*

It was the GM. I haven’t heard that Nutting said anything about it, or did I miss something?

Maybe it’s because for the first time in an eternity it seems like we have rotation options that are at least as good as what Ian was giving us. Doesn’t mean we should just cut him or anything, but it may be (well, it almost certainly is) that there’s a lot more wear-out-your-welcome Ian-ness going on behind the scenes than trickles into the coverage.

But that’s just a guess on my part, of course.

by bucdaddy on Jul 6, 2009 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

*its* owner

Meaning, the arm’s owner – Ian. That’s what z meant. Threw me for a minute, too.

by JRoth95 on Jul 6, 2009 5:17 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree, it's a different situation.

Bixler doesn’t have the tools to succeed in the majors, so the Pirates are correct to not value him highly.

Snell, in contrast, has had an elite-level season in the majors within the last three years, and since he still has that level of physical ability, teams are always going to hope that they can make this tweak or that tweak and sort him out.

by Vlad on Jul 6, 2009 10:51 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Except

we’re well into August by then, past the deadline without passing through waivers, and I guaran-damn-tee you Ian would be claimed on waivers.

So … the offseason then?

by bucdaddy on Jul 6, 2009 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

How many more games in July?

I was thinking that when I posted. Has the AAA All-Star game already happened?

But you’re right, there’s not enough time – even if Ian has 4 more dominant starts, complete with attacking the plate and pitching in, that takes us to ~July 26 for a ML start. And it would be such an obvious trade audition that you’d have to be dumb to put a lot of stake in it.

Plan B is for Ian to mow ‘em down into August, then come up and make a half dozen starts in Pittsburgh. That would be enough of a sample to either change the Bucs’ minds or restore his value in the offseason. Assuming he does well – no guarantee of that, obvs. The trouble is, from NH’s comments, I’m not convinced he comes back to Pittsburgh at all, in which case his trade value is just north of Bixler’s.

by JRoth95 on Jul 6, 2009 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

BTW, For the record

Louisville is 5th out of 14 in their league for OPS.

Ian was 65/33 S/B; I wonder how many were nibblers?

by JRoth95 on Jul 6, 2009 10:12 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Also, Ohlie?
Ross Ohlendorf took all five runs in the loss but didn’t really pitch all that badly—he had three strikeouts against one walk, and he didn’t get hit all that hard.

I didn’t follow the game (on the radio) closely, but I think it was only the 2nd inning when the announcers said that it looked like a long day for Ross – he didn’t seem to be able to locate anything. Just curious to hear the start characterized completely differently by Charlie.

by JRoth95 on Jul 6, 2009 10:15 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, Ross didn’t have anything yesterday. It looked like the Zach Duke of last year with all the base hits he was giving up.

by mspirate on Jul 6, 2009 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Isn't it curious...

…that on a day when we had two of our worst defensive options in the lineup (Vazquez at 2B and Jones in LF), Ohlendorf gave up a whole bunch of hits on balls in play?

I wonder how that happened.

by Vlad on Jul 6, 2009 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Were some of the hits on plays

that Freddy or Nyjer probably would have made?

by WestCoastBuc on Jul 6, 2009 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Vazquez and Jones had nothing to do with it. I watch most of the game, and they were getting solid hits off of Ohlie. Ross was leaving all his pitchers up and out over the plate. The one cheap hit was Uggla’s jam shot over the infield, and that ball fell right in front of our best defensive outfielder, Cutch. Nobody was going to get to that ball. It just wasn’t a good day for Ohlie. I expect him to bounce back next time out.

by mspirate on Jul 6, 2009 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I thought a bloop dropped in that Vazquez should have had, but other than that Ohlendorf was just too hittable. His command was really poor—either way off the plate or right down the middle.

by WTM on Jul 6, 2009 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I honestly wasn’t paying attention too closely to his command. It just looked to me like a lot of the hits he allowed could’ve been outs if things had gone a little differently. It’s now a day after the fact, but I don’t remember him getting hit hard by any means.

by Charlie on Jul 6, 2009 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

(Sorry I can’t be more specific; it wasn’t really a particularly memorable game.)

by Charlie on Jul 6, 2009 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yea....

Vlad, I watched it as well. That’s a stretch. Not sure what you are/were trying to insinuate?

by dtoddwin on Jul 6, 2009 3:17 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

even though we have SP depth, we need a SO machine, trade freddy and nd capps for liriano and i wld jizz my pants

by PensRock1 on Jul 6, 2009 3:50 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Now THATS an educated opinion. Love the lonely island reference though

by glass0941 on Jul 7, 2009 9:20 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

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