Lastings Milledge and baseball culture
In Dejan Kovacevic's July 07 story about Lastings Milledge, Dejan discusses how Milledge has a reputation for rankling veterans in his previous stints. Dejan dropped this brief anecdote:
The catch, as [Milledge] readily conceded, is that he hardly has been one to subscribe to standard baseball culture, a la Doug Mientkiewicz last summer correcting one of the Pirates' youngsters on how to set down his batting helmet.
I don't recall that incident. Anyone have a link or could give me an explanation? I'd ask on the PBC blog comments but that would require me to (1) subject myself to that cesspool, and (2) risk incurring the wrath of yinzers by implicitly questioning Dirty Doug. Maybe this explains why Doug got into a shouting match with Randy Johnson: Randy probably didn't show proper reverence to the rubber.
I'd really like to know why proper batting helmet placement technique is considered such a vital part of clubhouse chemistry and baseball culture. I never played baseball beyond Little League--I was terrible--but I've never heard of that. Am I simply ignorant on this point?
Beyond that specific issue, how important is all this stuff? I understand the idea that rookies should know their place and be humble and all that, but this seems silly. Milledge could eat ice cream out of his batting helmet like it was a Dairy Queen sundae for all I care, so long as he hits well.
If Milledge is blatantly disrespectful to his teammates that's one thing, but most of what I've read seems more like the batting helmet example. In discussing the Pirates roster Milledge comments, "You're not going to have guys looking down on you because of how many years you have. Everybody's pretty much at that same level, on the same page, and I'm looking forward to it." If I were Milledge, I too would be ticked off if some mediocre veteran looks down on me and tries to assert his dominance clubhouse by telling me I had to follow his ways of doing things.
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He may fit in well then
With the very young Pirate roster. As long as jack goes away there’s not many mediocre veterans to disrespect.
Possibly
There probably is a cultural clash here. From a cultural standpoint, baseball is easily the most conservative of the major sports. Milledge would probably be fine in the NBA. (I’m not saying one is superior to the other, just that they’re different.)
by WTM on Jul 7, 2009 7:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Im assuming
it’s more of know your place respect your elders thing, and maybe Milledge doesnt like that
It also could have been the veterans he offended may have felt threatened......
Probably nothing worse to them than seeing the guy who is going to eventually replace you is a showoff on top of it.
"So you think 25 percent of the country is retarded?! Yea. Atleast 25 percent. Well lets so a sample. There are 4 of us an you're retarded. Thats 25 percent." Southpark; Mystery of the Urinal Deuce
It must be hard for Adam Rubin to not use the N word, with the way he’s going here.
by Gorkys n' Beans on Jul 7, 2009 8:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Thanks for the link buccoben, but none of that troubles me. It sounds like he acted like a bit of a jerk in the clubhouse, but the guy was 21. Most 21 year olds will do dumb things, and I imagine it’s even easier to do so when the world is before your feet and you’re heralded as a rising star in a major sport.
As for the high-fiving fans…I never get upset about that. I guess it’s all about where you come down in those debates about whether it’s mocking the opponent or genuine joy. Also, people loved Nyjer Morgan for interacting with fans, it’s not Milledge’s fault he does more valuable things like hit home runs =)
I don't get it either
He hit better than Doumit did, but they still promoted him to AAA.
by thecheeseisblue on Jul 8, 2009 12:44 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, I don’t know what’s going on. He was supposed to report to Indy on Sunday, according to DK. He needs to start his journey to the big club soon.
If he doesn’t get up to the big club soon, we might lose the division!
by Androgen Jar Jimmy on Jul 8, 2009 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions
Or, if nothing else
fall short in the wild card race
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My conspiracy theory
Washington traded him in part because he wasn’t taking his conditioning seriously while he was out with a broken finger. So, he’s still in Bradenton because while the finger is healed, he was woefully out of shape, and they can take care of that in Bradenton, but less so in Indy.
This is totally based on my imagination.
Much as I hate to ever play the race card...
…a lot of the media coverage of Milledge seemed like the writers were bending over backwards to avoid the word “uppity”. It’s patently ludicrous that when he was traded to Washington, talking heads started lumping him together with Elijah Dukes as examples of troubled young black athletes.
Milledge recorded a fairly standard rap album and showboated after a home run. Dukes was arrested at least three times for battery and once for assault, received protective orders from two different romantic partners, and impregnated at least five different women (including a 17-year-old in foster care with his grandmother), several of which he threatened to murder when their mother tried to leave him.
Peas from the same pod, right?
Well....
Did the album suck or what?
"The team that scores the most points wins."
John Madden
(Master of the obvious)
What was the name of his group?
The Milledge People?
"The team that scores the most points wins."
John Madden
(Master of the obvious)
I thought about that, too.
It’s like when Milton Bradley got pissed in the dugout: That’s indicative of rage and a problem. But when Jeff Kent gets pissed off, it’s because he’s scrappy and cares so much.
What are the chances a 21 year old white player is celebrated for his “joy for the game” and “raw enthusiasm” for high-fiving fans after a big HR?

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