Is it time to cut the cord?

by Illinois Pirate Fan on Aug 15, 2009 5:08 PM EDT Comment 41 comments

Should management consider bringing up Alvarez, Tabata, Walker and giving them a chance to see if they are ready for MLB pitching? How much longer are we going to give Moss, Pearce, LaRoche to try to develop into hitters with a little pop in their bats? We have almost no extra-base hit ability, which coupled with a weakend defense and generally poor pitching, has caused the Pirates to be both boring and lousy. What will it take for management to try something new? I can't believe we are going to be force-fed this collection of stiffs for the remaining 50 games with no changes. Can we trade Neil?

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Relax Beavis

Bringing up those guys for a month and half won’t contribute anything other than starting their major league clocks and potentially stunting their growth.

If it’s so boring don’t watch till next year. Have fun

by TravisDW on Aug 15, 2009 5:15 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

+1

for beavis

by johnnycuff on Aug 15, 2009 5:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Actually I should give myself a -1 because it should have been “Settle down Beavis”. But I’m nitpicky

by TravisDW on Aug 15, 2009 6:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

the chick who posts this is hot

only lawyers and English teachers should care for grammar are you one?

The Pirates,Reds,Royals, and Padres are not major league teams

by angryandy on Aug 16, 2009 5:27 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

angryandy

IPF says the pic is his daughter, so don’t get too worked up, or he’ll demand Charlie cuts the cord on you.

by patthatt on Aug 17, 2009 9:32 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

That was (I think) a Beavis and Butt-head joke, not meant to be taken literally.

by Charlie on Aug 17, 2009 7:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Clueless and nearsighted

Look, we’re all anxious to see Alvarez and Tabata in bucco uniforms (Some of us Walker), but like Travis says, it would be a huge hindrance just to spice things up.

Who knows how the progression of McCutchen might have gone if they rushed him to the bigs for a try-out two years ago?

Try following the minor league games more closely than the ML team. That’ll at least give you optimism and keep things interesting for the rest of the season.

by jlk9697 on Aug 15, 2009 5:17 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Yeah

Let’s not rush Walker. Lets wait until he hits in AAA…..Sure wouldn’t want to stunt his development. In reality, we shouold send him to AA and promote Alverez

by GeneClines on Aug 15, 2009 9:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Patience padawon

by Slizeezyc on Aug 15, 2009 5:24 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Call me crazy...

but Pearce is the only player (besides McCutchen) hitting consistently right now. He’s drawing walks, and he has reached base in every start since his last recall. I don’t what else you can expect from him.

The bigger question is, when do you cut the cord with Ryan Doumit?

"Straight ball I hit very much, but curveball, bats are afraid." - Pedro Cerrano

by silencerdu on Aug 15, 2009 5:28 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

stay patient

Calling those players up now will do nothing but hurt them in the long run…

But when do you cut the cord on Ryan Doumit? ASAP he’s the most overrated Pirate i’ve seen in a long time. I can’t believe one decent year got this guy so much respect. He has no defense and his bat is’nt good enough to overlook his bad defense or good enough for a position change. Kinda in the same position as Andy Laroche. Laroche has a good glove but not enough power to play a corner infield spot, and not good enough glove for a position change. Doumit shoulda been sent away this offseason at his peak value. Maybe hopefully this offsseason we can dump him for somebody with some upside. Then we can only hope Jeff Clement can transition back into catching even with his bad knees (has good hands/arm) or that Tony Sanchez gets here as quick as possible.

by FusilliJerry88 on Aug 15, 2009 5:39 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

"No defense" is a bit strong, there.

He’s below average, but nowhere near butchers like Victor Martinez.

I’m also amused by the idea that we already know how much power Andy LaRoche is going to have for the rest of his life at the ripe old age of 25, or that you can’t be a useful 3B without popping 20+ a year.

by Vlad on Aug 15, 2009 6:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

just curious here

how hard is it for players to transition to a different position?

so DL screwed things up by moving Walker from catcher- if say, we wanted to put him back there, how hard would it be for him? It seems to me Walker’s bat would be much more competitive if he was catching. Of course, I have no clue about his defensive abilities- essentially, he still has age on his side (but not for much longer) and he is, from all the stats and discussion around here, not a very large jump away from the bigs- he needs to be more consistent, perhaps work more on hitting for average, since clearly his bat has in it to occasionally transition into serious hitting zones. Also, since he has (some) prior experience catching…

by BurgherKing on Aug 15, 2009 11:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

He was moved because he was a shitty catcher.

His defense got thrashed by just about everyone that watched him as a catcher.

www.sixtyftsixin.com

by Nate Rose on Aug 16, 2009 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Pretty much, yeah.

As little as I like most of DL’s judgments, I think he made the right call when he moved Walker. The scouting consensus on his defense behind the plate was just awful, and whatever his other failings he’s become a plus glove at 3B.

by Vlad on Aug 16, 2009 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Ahh ok

again, this was before my time :-P

well, just looks like walker will end up so-close-yet-so-far

by BurgherKing on Aug 16, 2009 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Is it that time of year already?

My goodness, I didn’t realize it was time for IPF to go off…

Lah-de-dah, lah-de-dah.

Free your ass and your mind will follow.

by cocktailsfor2 on Aug 15, 2009 6:08 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Oh, and at this point...

…Pearce’s ISO is only a hair under .200. He’s doing fine right now, at least as far as power’s concerned.

by Vlad on Aug 15, 2009 6:21 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Pearce, Moss and Russell, are useless excuses for Major league talent

Pearce, Pearce, Pearce.
   Dude, apparently you have a crush on this guy, but get it through your thick skull.
    He is not a capable major league baseball player.
    He will never be a vital piece that the team can count on for consistent OFFENSIVE PRODUCTION.
         That being said, just admit , he blows, and the team should cut ties with this guy ASAP.
         If he is going to take up a spot on the 40 man roster, let him do it as a starter at the AAA level, not the major league level.
           He has his shot, and except for his glove, he has failed miserably.
       Time to move on without him or his butt buddie , Brandon Moss.
      They are not even suitable guys to have as pinch hitters, mainly because of their high rate of strikeouts, and just plain old bad at bats.
            So quit campaigning for Steve Pearce, and/or Brandon Moss.
           It’s just a waste of time, and brain power.

by tom p on Aug 16, 2009 3:11 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

There really is no need

for a lot of the language you are using here.

Your use of slurs and insults

a) don’t help much in making your point
b) are uncalled for, and
c) may get you banned.

Free your ass and your mind will follow.

by cocktailsfor2 on Aug 16, 2009 8:14 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Brain power...

What I had to use trying to read your post. We’re you posting from a cell phone? As far as the content, how old are you, 12?

by Slick1 on Aug 16, 2009 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Or...

Or since his most recent call-up he’s hitting .262/.357/.459 with 6 doubles, 2 homers, 6 RBI and a steal. And he’s reached base every game he’s started.

But yeah, he’s terrible.

www.sixtyftsixin.com

by Nate Rose on Aug 16, 2009 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Careful

Stats and logic have often times have no impact on idiots

The glare of the spotlight is harsh, and the pressure that success breeds immense. We revere our heroes, but expect much. And criticism can come as easily as praise.

by glass0941 on Aug 16, 2009 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

"Facts are meaningless...

…they can prove anything." – Homer Simpson

"Straight ball I hit very much, but curveball, bats are afraid." - Pedro Cerrano

by silencerdu on Aug 16, 2009 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

pffft..facts.

You can use facts to prove anything that’s even remotely true.
-Homer Simpson

by uneasy rider on Aug 17, 2009 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Has anyone ever told you

that you use way too many stats? It’s not about the statistics, its about how they play

The glare of the spotlight is harsh, and the pressure that success breeds immense. We revere our heroes, but expect much. And criticism can come as easily as praise.

by glass0941 on Aug 16, 2009 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

That's a lot of words to use....

…without mixing in any supporting facts.

Sorry, but when you just say “he’s bad” over and over without supporting your position, it just sounds like “Blah, blah, blah.”

by Vlad on Aug 16, 2009 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

All I hear

is the teacher from Charlie Brown..

Show me a guy whos afraid to look bad, and I'll show you a guy you can beat every time. -Lou Brock

by Green_Wave on Aug 16, 2009 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

All I hope is that ...

… ownership sees the plan through.

The worst thing I can think of is Nutting firing front office people/signing over the hill “name” free agents next year just to appease the casual fan/PBC poster.

by woobie on Aug 15, 2009 7:13 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs