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Pirates 9, Brewers 5, Bucs Homer Three Times, Hold Lead

I don't know what's weirdest about this game:

-That the Pirates beat the Brewers?

-That the Pirates actually hit very well?

-That Andy LaRoche and Ronny Cedeno (and Garrett Jones) homered?

-That Matt Capps didn't blow the game?

-That Lastings Milledge somehow looked reasonably fast in stealing a base?

All in all, the Pirates played pretty well, even if no lead felt safe. Kevin Hart allowed four runs but generally was decent; he ran out of steam in the sixth but threw nasty breaking pitches and racked up grounders before that. And six Bucs, including Hart himself, racked up two or more hits.

One bit of bad news today: Jose Tabata left the Indianapolis Indians' game in the fifth inning, apparently because of some sort of leg injury. It would be a shame if he missed substantial time--his performance earlier this season at Altoona was, though acceptable, uninspiring; only after being promoted to Indy a few weeks ago has he really gotten things going. I'm not sure yet of the nature of the exact nature of the injury, but I'd hate to see a minor-league DL stint bring that to a stop. He was 2-for-3 in the game tonight before the injury. (UPDATE: Just a cramp. Phew.)

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Jose Tabata.

He’s kinda like Xavier Nady, I mean they both seem to get injured a lot.

by IAPiratesFan on Aug 17, 2009 11:00 PM EDT reply actions  

I mama always said….if ya ain’t got nuthin’ nice to say…..

by Brakeman8 on Aug 17, 2009 11:18 PM EDT reply actions  

tabata
his performance earlier this season at Altoona was, though acceptable, uninspiring

Would you be referring to the entire month of July, where he hit .357/.397/.491? You’re right, that’s pretty terrible, especially for a 20 year old.

Your assessment is unnecessarily harsh at best. I’d say given his age and various in-season dramas have been an annoyance but he has been very solid for almost two full months now.

by geeves on Aug 17, 2009 11:27 PM EDT reply actions  

No, I was referring to the entirety of his performance at Altoona, including his .621 OPS April and his .730 OPS June as well as his very good July. Not sure why you would assume otherwise. :)

by Charlie Wilmoth on Aug 17, 2009 11:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

What’s the linear weight for “Crazy Wife who stole baby?”

http://www.whygavs.com
http://mlb.fanhouse.com

by whygavs on Aug 18, 2009 12:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

I’m pretty sure that one is going to bust PECOTA next year.

by Charlie Wilmoth on Aug 18, 2009 12:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

saw on twitter...

that the Pirates have reportedly signed Jordan Cooper.

by Thunder on Aug 17, 2009 11:49 PM EDT reply actions  

Who’s reporting that? I saw someone named M_falk report it, but I have no idea who that is.

by Charlie Wilmoth on Aug 17, 2009 11:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

That’s the only thing I saw. Hopefully it’s true, though.

by northsidenotch on Aug 18, 2009 12:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

Don’t really know why someone would make that up

by northsidenotch on Aug 18, 2009 12:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

Me neither, but I’d rather wait to post it until I have a source I’ve at least heard of. :)

by Charlie Wilmoth on Aug 18, 2009 12:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

The twitter post was “Will Paxton and Jordan Cooper sign.” It apparently was a question. There’s a James Paxton who’s an unsigned supp. 1st round pick of the Rangers.

by WTM on Aug 18, 2009 12:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

The Jays, not Rangers. But yeah, that caused a flurry of activity on Twitter for a second there. Confused me, too.

by Charlie Wilmoth on Aug 18, 2009 12:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

It drives me crazy...

…when people try to treat Twitter like a serious medium for the dissemination of news.

by Vlad on Aug 18, 2009 9:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

So long as you’re getting the news tweets/twits/whatever from reputable news guys, and not just some random guy as done above, I don’t see why it’s not a great medium for news breaking.

by TravisDW on Aug 18, 2009 10:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

It's not always obvious...

…whether you’re getting the twats from reputable news guys or not. I’ve seen at least a dozen cases already where some athlete or media figure was forced to come forward and announce that an account believed to be his was, in fact, not.

To say nothing of simple user error, like when someone here criticized Keith Law because non-Keith Law guy “klaw” said something mean about Michael Jackson.

by Vlad on Aug 18, 2009 10:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

But it’s generally pretty easy to determine the real from the fake. Most journalists who have twitter accounts will have “follow me on twitter at such-and-such address” at the end of online columns.

Again, If you just practice general due diligence twitter is a pretty good news medium. Not fool-proof, but really what news medium is?

by TravisDW on Aug 18, 2009 10:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

Generally easy for you, sure.

But a lot of the news that breaks on Twitter isn’t coming directly from someone you’re following. It’s coming from random strangers following a person you don’t know, who may or may not be who they say they are, and may or may not be trustworthy.

It’s just a big game of telephone. Sometimes you get valuable information a few minutes earlier than you would’ve gotten it anyway, and sometimes you get blind panic and wild speculation disguised as fact.

by Vlad on Aug 18, 2009 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

Strasburg

Not sure whether this has been mentioned in another thread, but BA says Strasburg has signed.

Somebody here owes Vlad an apology.

by WTM on Aug 18, 2009 12:16 AM EDT reply actions  

I can’t get on BA at all right now. Totally crashed.

by Charlie Wilmoth on Aug 18, 2009 12:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

Nothing new there

Happens every time. I gave up trying to follow the draft on BA a couple years ago.

by WTM on Aug 18, 2009 12:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

ESPN and BA are reporting the same thing. 15.67 over four years. It’s done.

I don’t mean to be a bad fan, but seriously….

TANK! Lose. Every. Game.

Draft Harper.

by Suffering Buc on Aug 18, 2009 12:20 AM EDT reply actions  

This is a good thing. There’s really no way to argue Harper should get more, and there’s no way he’ll sign for much less. So if the Pirates “win” the lottery, they’ll know exactly what they’re getting into.

by WTM on Aug 18, 2009 12:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don't care. I'm not the one paying.

I’m sick and tired of watching a losing team for my entire coherent life. I’ve sat through 17 years of losing very patiently, never wavering in support of my team (like almost everyone here). We’ve all seen the effect that Crosby and Malkin have had on the Pens and on the city of Pittsburgh…getting more people interested in the sport, raising attendance, taking the team from worst to first. Harper and Alvarez could be the next Junior/A-Rod. I hate to want my team to lose, but I really do. The Pirates desperately need a big star. Alvarez could be one, but Harper could transcend the Pittsburgh baseball scene.

He would be an absolute godsend to the Pirates, even if he’s only here for six years.

by Suffering Buc on Aug 18, 2009 12:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

he could also be the biggest bust ever.

hes 16 and hasnt faced alot of great pitching. who knows what time will tell. I understand ur pain but hes not jesus and comparing hockey and baseball is not a good idea.

by bucsreport on Aug 18, 2009 12:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

It’s not as much a comparison between the two sports as it is an indictment of how a player can change the entire landscape of his team for the better. Anyone could be a bust, but Harper looks pretty good so far. There is nothing about his game that is not outstanding, with the exception of his speed, which is just fine.

by Suffering Buc on Aug 18, 2009 12:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

These teams dishing out make the

Pirates look pretty smart getting 4-5 of the top 100 for less than 9.5

by bucsreport on Aug 18, 2009 12:26 AM EDT reply actions  

Does anyone else

feel ridiculously good about the $6.5 million Boras settled on for Alvarez last year?

Seems like the bonuses got crazy this year.

by northsidenotch on Aug 18, 2009 12:38 AM EDT reply actions  

But what will they be like next year?

If it costs $9 million to sign the No. 2 pick this year, how much will the Bucs budget for next year’s draft? They’d have spent their entire budget if they drafted Ackley this year.

by Bucko on Aug 18, 2009 12:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

The first round pick will have to be an off-budget item, like the Iraq war.

by WTM on Aug 18, 2009 12:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

More weird

Jones homered with someone actually on base

by TravisDW on Aug 18, 2009 12:44 AM EDT reply actions  

PG reports the Bucs didn’t sign anybody else.

by WTM on Aug 18, 2009 12:49 AM EDT reply actions  

What's the deal with Cedeno?

I mean, small sample sizes and all that, but he’s like a mini-MVP over here. And it’s not an AL/NL thing – he was pretty crummy for years with the Cubs.

It’s mostly frustrating because there’s no way he’ll be doing it when it matters – just a big tease.

by JRoth95 on Aug 18, 2009 9:24 AM EDT reply actions  

Could it be another change in venue? or perhaps Don Long the hitting coach has helped him hit better? Though I’m not overly enthused about Don Long. I haven’t noticed the bucs hitting better especially after the trades. and one has to think that, perhaps he’s not doing enough to get the players to get good quality at bats. Now I suppose it could be also the players goal to execute the at-bat, but….as the season gets longer i don’t hear much about oh coach long did this or that to help my swing or approach on talk shows or what not.

So far, I do like on the Coaching staff
Perry Hill
Joe Kerrigan ( i think he’s miles about Jeff Andrews as pitching coach).

as I think they’ve both made some strides in coaching the youngsters along.

by lfhlaw on Aug 18, 2009 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

coaching

could be a possibility? brownie mentioned during last night’s game that long was talking about how cedeno does have some marginal HR pop in his bat but has to turn into a severe pull hitter in order to accomplish it (which is probably enticing for ronny given that the LF corner is about 5 feet away), and that they’re trying to drill into his skull to stay back and go with the pitch in order to be a good hitter and not just a guy who occasionally runs into one.

that concept isnt exactly new, so maybe this is less about teaching and more about breaking bad habits.

by geeves on Aug 18, 2009 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Long

My impression is that Long has had more success than previous Bucs batting coaches with instilling some patience. Wasn’t DK publishing stats in May showing the Pirates taking an extra pitch (or nearly) per AB? He certainly should get some credit for NyjMo’s maturation as a hitter.

That said, he’s clearly not in the Kerrigan/Hill Miracle Worker category.

As for change in venue, considering how badly Ronny was tanking in Seattle, he may have been ready for a complete reboot. Hearing tha NH had wanted him for some time must have been a valuable confidence-builder as well.

Bottom line: if he can hit like Jack with a bit more pop (and ideally a bit more patience) and show the glove he has so far, he’s be a great mid-term solution. He appears to be entering his first arbitration year; I’d be happy to see him start for another 3 years (under the above conditions, obvs.). Ideally, he’d get a pretty small arbitration bump this year, in reflection of his abysmal start, then have a solid year next year, and sign a 3 year deal at a decent rate. He’d be nice insurance to have through 2013, and if it’s a good contract, he’d be a decent trade piece if we ever get a stud SS from our system.

by JRoth95 on Aug 19, 2009 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Worst case

Just to extend a bit, worst case (injury aside) is that his hitting reverts to bad (but not as bad as Seattle), but at least his glove doesn’t represent a black hole, and we get someone else for 2011 or 2012. My fear, often expressed here, has been either Bixler starting 100 games or paying a Jack-like salary to a FA who’s decidedly worse than Jack. I think Cedeno, as a cheap guy with a solid or even plus glove, is far preferable to either of those.

by JRoth95 on Aug 19, 2009 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

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