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Understanding the draft

I was very pleased to read that the Pirates had spent so much money in signing bonuses but somewhat confused to learn that we were at the bottom in total signees.  One would think that because of all of the uncertainty surrounding the potential of young talent that it would be in our best interests to draft and sign as many prospects as possible realizing that most of them will never reach the parent club.  Has management said why they chose not to play the numbers game and concentrate just on signing so few players?


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Well im thinkin they have

Miguel Angel Sano still to pay. Which is the reason u only saw the small amount of players signed. The signed alot of hard to sign guys so if indeed they spend the money on intl FA then its probably better off.

by bucsreport on Aug 18, 2009 9:29 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

There are only a certain number of roster spots.

If you sign 30 kids, you have to find room on the roster for 30 kids, by cutting 30 guys who are already there.

If they weren’t willing to pay the opportunity cost of tossing guys from last year’s draft overboard, or having to wait an extra year to bring kids over from the DSL/VSL, then they made the right call. If not, they didn’t.

by Vlad on Aug 18, 2009 9:36 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Not really

There aren’t roster limits in Instructional Leagues. Short Season roster limits tend to be loose. I know some picks are scouted in wood bat leagues after the amateur seasons end, and some, f’rinstance, 40th round picks are hunches more than sure things. Sometimes, teams realize kids aren’t worth the investment, at least yet.

by tim815 on Aug 18, 2009 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Even so...

…you can only have nine guys on the field at a time. There’s no point in paying a kid $100k if he’s only going to sit on the bench, or take PT away from a kid you just paid $250k.

by Vlad on Aug 19, 2009 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The primary difference between this year’s number and last year’s was that they signed fewer organizational players. Last year they were faced with an org. that had almost no pitching, so they signed a slew of college pitchers in the late rounds to fill out the lower level rosters. They didn’t need that this year, so they signed only 4-5 org. guys.

by WTM on Aug 18, 2009 11:20 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

This lack of organizational depth need

was amplified by the fact that we brought in double digit players (I count 12 from our major trades) while giving up 6 players.

by McCutchenIsTheTruth on Aug 18, 2009 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Beat 'em Bucs

Hey Illini Pirate Fan, my grandfather Benny Benack Sr. championed the beat em bucs fight song in 1960, I wouldn’t doubt you have a picture or article of his in your memorabilia room! Thanks for spreading the Pirate nation into Cub land

Benny Benack III

by benny benack on Aug 18, 2009 5:41 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Benny

I have both the 45 rpm of the song as well a a copy on reel-to-reel made by my father during the 1960 season. Congrats on having such a terrific grandfather who was also such a fine muscian who added a chapter to Pirate history:

Benny Benack
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Benny Benack was at the forefront of the Pittsburgh jazz scene in the 1960s and ‘70s. A talented trumpet player, Benack was made famous by his song "Beat’em Bucs" and was a staple at Pittsburgh Pirates and Pittsburgh Steelers games. The Benny Benack Orchestra played the styles of traditional jazz, dixieland, and swing. He was known as the “King of Dixieland” in Pittsburgh for many years.

Benack was born to Italian immigrant parents in 1922 and grew up in Clairton, Pennsylvania, a suburb of Pittsburgh. His father, Charlie, was a self-taught photographer who started out walking from one mill town to another in the Monongahela River valley, his equipment on a donkey, making family portraits and class photographs. Uninterested in following in the photography business, young Benny began playing trumpet at age five, and practiced for six or seven hours a day throughout his childhood.

He was educated in the fine arts department of the Carnegie Institute of Technology, now Carnegie Mellon University, where he was friends with jazz composer Sammy Nestico. He also attended the University of Pittsburgh. He played at army bases in Florida and India during WWII, was director of a group of young musicians known as the Dodge Kids, and toured the country with the Tommy Dorsey Orchestra and the Raymond Scott Orchestra. During the late 50’s and 1960s, he was an innovative bandleader at Clairton High School, introducing jazz, swing, and high-stepping routines to the marching band’s pregame and halftime performances.

Benack died in 1986 of lung cancer. He had three children with his wife Gretchen: Peek, Flip, and Suzie, each of whom had two children of their own. Peek and Flip both live near Pittsburgh with their families, while Suzie moved to upstate New York. Peek continues the family musical tradition as Benny Benack Jr., playing trumpet, clarinet and saxophone. Peek’s son, Benny Benack III, is also involved in the Pittsburgh jazz scene. Flip currently owns and operates Benack Sound Productions, an audio/visual production company in Pleasant Hills, a suburb of Pittsburgh (about ten miles (16 km) south, along U.S. Rte. 51, within three miles (5 km) of Clairton).

by Illinois Pirate Fan on Aug 19, 2009 8:35 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

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