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NY Daily News and Buc bashing

More great stuff recently in this article by Bill Madden (strong sarcasm)  Now I know that the Daily News only differentiates itself from Charmin in that Charmin is much softer and doesn't chap your ass, but is this really the best that a guy who writes about sports (and books about baseball for that matter) can do?  I also know that none of this matters until the Bucs actually start winning but its tough to read an article bashing your team that lacks any type of creative thought or journalistic work without commenting.  Please read at your own caution, the opinions expressed below are the work of a true idiot.   

Some tidbits:

"Privately, the Yankees were astounded at the seemingly underwhelming return Seattle GM Jack Zduriencik got for Jarrod Washburn  especially after he'd pulled off such a coup earlier in the week by fetching shortstop Jack Wilson and former 14-game winner Ian Snell out of the Pittsburgh Pirates' firesale for light-hitting shortstop Ronny Cedeno, defensively challenged catcher/first base prospect Jeff Clement and three low-level pitching prospects.

"What has happened in Pittsburgh - where the Pirates have assured themselves of many more losing seasons after this, their 17th straight, by gutting their roster of just about every player that made more than $2 million - is a disgrace. Selig's former salary police chief Frank Coonelly has traded Jason Bay, Xavier Nady, Adam LaRoche, Nyjer Morgan, Nate McLouth, Wilson, Freddy Sanchez, John Grabow and Tom Gorzelanny in one questionable deal after another.

"...only two, Double-A pitcher Tim Alderson (acquired from the Giants for '06 NL batting champion Sanchez) and righty Charlie Morton (who came over from the Braves in the McLouth deal) are regarded as potential frontline prospects - and neither of them was rated by their teams as top-tier."

Ok, so a lack of foresight for a team in PGH is understandable from a NY sportwriter, right?  Should we expect him to do enough homework to point out that the Bucs included cash in some of these deals in order to get the best group of prospects?  Is it unreasonable to point out that the powerhouse of a Pirates team that included Nady and Bay won 5 more games at this point in the year?  Fine, just please don't confuse Adam LaRoche for his younger brother. 

In case you are inclined to believe that Bill actually critically evaluates deals before he just spouts off about how poor Pirates' management is, let's examine a deal that he has actual evidence to use when evaluating:

Earlier this year


"Despite creditable starts by their 4-5 starters, ex-Yankees Ross Ohlendorf and Jeff Karstens, it would be a stretch to suggest the Pirates may actually have gotten the better of the deal with the Yankees last summer (that also netted them outfielder prospect Jose Tabata). For now they can at least be content at having gotten more out of it in April than the Yankees have gotten from Nady  and the $12 million man, Damaso Marte."

He's just an optimist holding out hope, right?  I mean, nobody in their right mind would argue in hindsight that this lopsided deal went the Yanks way.  Unfortunately, notice a trend here but his lack of ability to think critically demonstrates itself even at the time the deal occurs:

Last year when the trade occcured:

"Did the Yankees just get revenge for 1960?

As word of the Yankees' trade for Xavier Nady and Damaso Marte from the Pirates filtered through the annual party thrown by Hall of Fame chairman Jane Clark on Friday night, no one was more stunned than Pirates Hall of Fame second baseman Bill Mazeroski, whose homer against the Yankees won the 1960 World Series.

"I can't believe it!" Mazeroski said. "We just traded two of our best players for four guys I never heard of. How could we do this?"

In exchange for power-hitting outfielder Nady and lefty reliever Marte, the Yanks gave up outfielder Jose Tabata and pitchers Ross Ohlendorf, Dan McCutchen and Jeff Karstens.'

Just had to point out how little skill it takes to be a writer for one of the major newspapers in the world's largest cities.  Thankfully for Bill, his profession is so full of a lot of kindred idiotic minds - his job should be safe.

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Prediction for Bill Madden's article when the Bucs win

The Pirates Do It the Right Way
In which you will get brilliant excerpts including the steals they got in the Sanchez, Nady/Marte, and Morgan/Burnett deals, how the front office abandoned the old approach of half rebuilding and went for a full on rebuild and how it showed promise right from the start. Along with a litany of other things that I’m sure a lot of y’all can think of.

He’s just another journalist that writes what the popular opinion is. It happens in politics, sports, etc.

Show me a guy whos afraid to look bad, and I'll show you a guy you can beat every time. -Lou Brock

by Green_Wave on Aug 2, 2009 4:59 PM EDT reply actions  

If Smizik still has a job, why not this boob?

Free your ass and your mind will follow.

by cocktailsfor2 on Aug 2, 2009 5:09 PM EDT reply actions  

Sportswriters have a job because they can sell, not because they know what they’re talking about.

by GL9 on Aug 2, 2009 5:11 PM EDT reply actions  

If these players we traded were so good, why did they collectively lose 95 games the past 4 years?

The answer is that almost all of the players we traded (including Bay, Nady, McLouth, Sanchez, Wilson, etc.) are massively overrated by idiot fans and idiot writers. Again, it’s not like we traded Hanley Ramirez and Albert Pujols.

by Gorkys n' Beans on Aug 2, 2009 5:47 PM EDT reply actions  

The former Buccos are as overrated as Bill Sub-.300 OBP Mazeroski.

by Gorkys n' Beans on Aug 2, 2009 5:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Easy, now.

Free your ass and your mind will follow.

by cocktailsfor2 on Aug 2, 2009 6:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I get that Maz is the best defensive baseball player of all time, and worthy of most of the accolades for his time with the Bucs.

It just ticks me off to see anyone egg on the Yinzers. Sure, I went overboard with the needling here.

by Gorkys n' Beans on Aug 3, 2009 1:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'm not

going to defend his OBP, but he

1) Played a large chunk of his career in the second deadball era (1962-1969), when people like Gibson, Koufax and Drysdale stood on three-foot mounds and threw gas at huge strikezones in enormous ballparks, which brings me to

2) Maz’s power numbers were severely affected by the cow pasture of a home park he played in for almost all of his career.
Lifetime at-bats
Home: 4051
Away:4328
Lifetime hits
Home: 1004
Away: 1012
Lifetime homers
Home 45
Away 93
He made up for it some by hitting 43 triples at home, to 19 on the road, but really, you’re talking about probably the greatest defensive second baseman ever who also should have had around 200 homers for his career, if he hadn’t been a RH hitter in a park with a 365-foot LF line that ran out to 457 near center.

When I was a boy I saw him hit one of those 45 home homers. He hit it off the clock atop the scoreboard in left. Look up the Forbes Field dimensions sometime and see what a monster shot that was. Man had fine power but played in a terrible environment for it.

by bucdaddy on Aug 2, 2009 6:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks.

Also, find the video of Maz’s homer that beat the Yankees in 1960. You see Berra going back back back to the wall, and then peeling off to the right to watch the ball leave the park. On the wall you can see how far the ball was hit, over the 406-foot marker. Thing was blasted.

Oh, FWIW, in that World Series he hit .320/.320/.640.

That makes up the bulk of his postseason career line: .323/.364/.581.

by bucdaddy on Aug 3, 2009 12:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

it's not all about numbers

Mazeroski is a Hall of Famer and from the great state of West by god Virginia(not western virginia) so just calm the man could play it’s not all about the numbers but some people focus so much on the number last time a I checked in baseball there isn’t a stat for clutch hitting and it looks like William Stanley Mazeroski wasn’t that bad.

by WVPiratesfan on Aug 2, 2009 10:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Maz

Is from Martin’s Ferry, OH I’m pretty sure. He was just born in Wheeling.

by TravisDW on Aug 2, 2009 11:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hey

Just tell Bill Madden to ask A-Rod how he feels about revenue sharing after he finishes pulling bugs out of his teeth.

God Created the World Out Of Nothing, Paterno Built A National Superpower On Cow Fields...

by Adam Bittner on Aug 2, 2009 11:10 PM EDT reply actions  

NY media people...

…tend to be shocked (shocked!) when teams choose non-Yankee/Met prospects in deals, because they’ve spent so much time and effort building up the NY prospects that they develop an inflated sense of what those prospects are worth.

by Vlad on Aug 3, 2009 10:30 AM EDT reply actions  

Shocked!

Free your ass and your mind will follow.

by cocktailsfor2 on Aug 3, 2009 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

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