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Pirates Prospects 2010

The evolution of the Pittsburgh Pirates farm system.

 

Preseason top 100 prospects - 2008

Pirates prospects - 3

The Pirates trade Jason Bay, Xavier Nady, and Damaso Marte (in two separate trades) and add top prospects

Andy LaRoche "graduates" from prospect status

Pedro Alvarez signs with the Pirates

 

Preseason top 100 prospects - 2009

Pirates prospects -

  • Pedro Alvarez - 12
  • Andrew McCutchen - 33 (only God knows why he dropped 20 spots)
  • Jose Tabata - 75

The Pirates trade Nate McLouth, Adam LaRoche, Freddy Sanchez, Jack Wilson, Nyjer Morgan, Sean Burnett, John Grabow, Ian Snell, and Tom Gorzelanny and add top prospects

Andrew McCutchen graduates from prospect status

---------------------------------------------------------------------- The Future------------------------------------------------------------------------

After looking into the past, I'm going to (hopefully) peer into the future.

Presenting your Pittsburgh Pirates prospects in the 2010 Baseball America top 100 prospect list. (Maybe)

I'm going categorize prospects who will, should, and could make it into the list and describe what I think they will have to do on the field in the next several weeks to make the top 10, 25, 50, and 100.

Locks

  • Pedro Alvarez - A 2nd overall draft pick gives him an impressive draft pedigree and although he struggled with plate discipline (70 K's in 243 AB's, 28.8%) and average starting out at single A Lynchburgh, he still managed to hit several bombs (14 in 243 AB's) and earned a promotion to AA Altoona.  At Altoona he has hit .298 while putting up similar power numbers (7 HR's in 121 AB's), although he has still failed to cut down on his K's (35 K's in 121 AB's 28.9%).  Still, he did manage to cut down on his K's throughout the month of July at a clip of 25.2% (23/91)
  1. Top 100 - Avoid having a career ending injury and hit at the mendoza line, or even in the general neighboorhood.. or maybe just get a hit or two. Whichever
  2. Top 50 - Hit .250 with a few scattered bombs and avoid striking out 1 out of 3 AB's
  3. Top 25 - Hit .270 with a handful of bombs and manage to drop his K rate to 25%
  4. Top 10 - Hit. 290 or more with a dozen more HR's and walk half as many times as he strikeouts (< 25%)
  • Jose Tabata - A former top 50 prospect while still a teenager means he has been on the scene for a while.  An injury, behaviorial problems, and trade took him off the map in 2008.  He did no favors for himself in the first few months of 2009 at AA Altoona sustaining another injury and playing at a mediorce level.  He soon picked it up and a hot streak raised his average to over .300 earning him a recent promotion to AAA Indy. 
  1. Top 100 - Avoid getting convicted for murder and hit better than I could at Indy
  2. Top 50 - Hit . 270 at Indy with a half a dozen XBH's and not completely abandon his plate discipline
  3. Top 25 - Continue to hit .300 and flash some power (few HR's and dozen + gap doubles/triples)
  4. Top 10 - Hit upwards of .325 and tear the cover off the ball to the tune of double digits HR's

Quasi-Locks

  • Tim Alderson - Acquired in a trade for Freddy Sanchez and sent to AA Altoona, Alderson was second fiddle to Madison Bumgardner in the Giants system, but is arguably the best arm in the Pirates system now.  He's a command pitcher rather than a flamethrower with a plus plus curveball.  His stats have been solid so far this year, even though he has a lower K/9 ratio and has alledgedly lost some of his stuff.
  1. Top 100 - Throw a fastball faster than 90 MPH and strikeout a batter every other inning
  2. Top 50 - Maintain his ERA, WHIP, and K/9's at AA Altoona and hit the 89-90 MPH range consistently
  3. Top 25 - Keep his ERA below 3.00 and WHIP around 1.00 at Altoona while continuing to walk virtually no one.  Show a slight spike in his K/9 along with show a improving changeup and consistently hit above 90 with his fastball
  4. Top 10 - Suddenly starting striking out a better an inning and throwing 93 or 94
  • Gorkys Hernandez - Acquired in a trade for Nate McLouth, Hernandez came over hitting over .300 and flashing 3.5 tools (average, speed, glove, and 1/2 arm).  Since coming over though he has slumped, barely hitting .250, although he did hit his first 2 HR's of the year.  He is still very young (21) and can certainly still develop into a good (or better) major league player. 
  1. Top 100 - Show some imporvement in his batting average at Altoona and still flash his speed and glove
  2. Top 50 - Go on a tear and hit .350 the rest of the year to finish with an average over .300 and hit a few homeruns and start showing an ability to be effective stealing bases
  3. Top 25 - Go on an inhuman tear and hit .450 with half a dozen HR's and steal double digit bases without getting caught.
  4. Top 10 - Get a base hit two out of three AB's while smashing line drive doubles and moonshots.  Any time Gorkys only gets to first he needs to steal a base.

Strong Possibilities

  • Brad Lincoln - Lincoln was drafted the Pirates in the first round in 2006 but missed the entire 2007 season requiring TJ surgery.  Lincoln had a decent 2008 season, but took off at Altoona in 2009, posting a 2.28 ERA and striking out 65 batters in 75 innings while only walking 18. 
  1. Top 100 - Pitch well at Indy, holding a similar K/9 ratio, walk very few batters and keep a ERA that hovers around 2.50.
  2. Top 50 - Pitch very well, striking out more than a better per inning and posting a ERA in double digits
  3. Top 25 - Mix in complete game shutouts, no hitters, and double digit strikeout games
  4. Top 10 - Throw perfect games from here on out
  • Tony Sanchez - the #4 overall draft pick in 2009 by the Pittsburgh Pirates, Sanchez was a quick sign who projected as a defensive catcher.  He has showed that defensive prowess along with hitting for average and decent power. 
  1. Top 100 - continue at slightly below his pace
  2. Top 50 - increase his pace by a decent amount and throw out a solid precentage of runners
  3. Top 25 - hit .500 and don't get stolen on again
  4. Top 10 - get a hit every AB for the remainder of the year and don't get stolen on again

Medium Possibilities

  • Neil Walker - His stock as been falling as he has been struggling at the plate this year.   Still he is fairly young (23) and has shown decent pop (10 HR's to go alone with 19 doubles in 251 AB's) 
  1. Top 100 - Finish the rest of the year on a clip above .300 and hit a few more bombs while continue to improve his already solid plate discipline
  2. Top 50 - Put up Albert Pujols like numbers to finish the season (smaller sample)
  3. Top 25 - Put up Barry Bonds like numbers to finish the season (smaller sample) and bat .500
  4. Top 10 - Hit like he's still in little leages (.700 and a HR a game)
  • Rudy Owens - Young pitcher who has put up video game numbers at low A WV.  Recently promoted to high A Lynchburg where he hopes to continue the meteoric rise of his stock. 
  1. Top 100 - Put up numbers in high A similar to those he put up in Low A and look comfortable on the mound
  2. Top 50 - Put up numbers that somehow beat his Low A numbers while at Lynchburg with an spike in strikeouts
  3. Top 25 - Add 10 mph to his fastball
  4. Top 10 - Channel Cy Young, learn to throw the gyroball, and start looking so good in random BP sessions that hes given DH duties.  As a DH, have his OPS exceed 1.000


Sleepers

In conclusion I'd expect to see Alvarez in the top 10 next year, Tabata in the top 25, and Hernandez, Owens, Lincoln and Sanchez to all crack the top 100.  Sano wouldn't surprise me either.  I also think ultimately, Walker will have worn out his welcome on the list.

Feel free to comment and add your own opinions

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Walker

Is it just me, or has he actually been hitting pretty well since coming off the DL?

I would love for him to give Andy some competition in the next couple springs (and to allow Pedro to move to 1B without leaving a hole at 3B).

by JRoth95 on Aug 3, 2009 10:17 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

No, it was just me

OK, looked up the Game Logs. He’s been red-hot the last 3 games (8-14 with 2 2B and 2 HR), but before that he had spent nearly 2 weeks at AAA without a 2-hit game.

Well, he’s got a month to salvage something from this season; this is a start, at least.

by JRoth95 on Aug 3, 2009 10:21 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

He's got a good glove.

That helps a little. And while the BA and OBP still suck, he is continuing with the steady power growth (.207 ISO this year, up from .172 last year).

If he can get his offense up to even a .250/.300/.450 level in the majors, I think that’d be a reasonable inexpensive starter with his defensive value. That said, I’m still very skeptical of his chances at this point.

by Vlad on Aug 3, 2009 10:41 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I wonder

If he’s a good enough glove to consider a move to 2nd? It doesn’t look like he’ll ever hit enough to hold down 3rd.

by maguro on Aug 3, 2009 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I mean he’s gotta be better than Delwyn Young.

by maguro on Aug 3, 2009 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

My Dad

has a better glove than DY.

And he’d be 84 next month, if he were alive, which he’s not.

AND he was left-handed.

So, to sum up: dead, left-handed, still better with the glove than DY.

Free your ass and your mind will follow.

by cocktailsfor2 on Aug 4, 2009 6:27 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Six of one, half dozen of the other.

The pressure on his bat would be less at 2B, but he’d also lose about 10 runs’ worth of glove value from the move, so it probably wouldn’t affect his overall chances all that much. And he needs to step it up significantly to meet even a 2B’s offensive standard, of course.

If he did learn to play second, though, that’d make it easier to carry him as a utility infielder, if they were so inclined.

by Vlad on Aug 3, 2009 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

id rather see Andy move to 2B... then let Pedro and Neil battle it out at 3rd and let Jeff Clement hit bombs at 1B

i feel Delwyn will be suited better as a utility player and a nice player to have on the bench… and i also feel Jeff Clement has the swing and power to be a real nice player for us next year at 1B… whats he have 3 HRS in 3 Games with Indy already? and hitting like 545? hes overall line for the year in 295. 17 Hrs and 71 RBI and OPS over 900 some…. i just feel that Pedro at 3B (he has a strong enough arm, depends on his Glove work im sure perry hill can fix him up) Andy at 2B(if delwyn has enough range to play 2B… i think the slickvilled LaRoche can play there quite well) and let Jeff Clement just play 1B…. and your better off having Delwyn and Neil on the bench as back ups which makes your overall team pretty good.

by BigB23 on Aug 3, 2009 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Some battle:

A guy who probably can’t play the position and a guy who probably can’t hit up to even the standards of a ML backup. We might as well have Tim Alderson and Tony Sanchez battle for the third base job.

As nice as it would be for things to just work out for us, we can’t assume that they will.

by Vlad on Aug 3, 2009 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i played 3B in highschool and now moved to 1B in College...So i dont understand

how can Clement be that bad of a defender not to play 1B??? especially coming from the toughest position in Catcher to the 2nd easiest position on the field besides LF ?

by BigB23 on Aug 6, 2009 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Question

Anyone know details about Clement?

Is he a dead pull hitter or have gap and center field power like Moss? How much will he be able to take advantage of the short porch?

by God Loves on Aug 3, 2009 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Pull, but not dead pull

He has power to all fields, but he does pull the ball for power. If he can hit ML pitching, yes, the park should suit him well, unlike Moss and Adam Laroche.

by azibuck on Aug 3, 2009 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Alderson
In conclusion I’d expect to see Alvarez in the top 10 next year, Tabata in the top 25, and Hernandez, Owens, Lincoln and Sanchez to all crack the top 100. Sano wouldn’t surprise me either. I also think ultimately, Walker will have worn out his welcome on the list.

So, do you think Alderson will not be in the top 100?

by BuccoBrigade on Aug 3, 2009 10:40 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I think he means...

…Pedro in the top 10 spots of the top 100 list.

by Vlad on Aug 3, 2009 10:42 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I’m just curious if he thinks Alderson will be in the top 100.
He names Alvarez, Tabata, Hernandez, Owens, Lincoln, and Sanchez as who he expects to be ranked in his conclusion.
just wondering if he thinks Alderson will miss the cut, or if it was an omission.

by BuccoBrigade on Aug 3, 2009 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Simply an oversight

but it was 4:30 in the morning and I just wanted to get this posted..

Ya I think Alderson will be in the top 100 unless he really just falls off the map.

As I said before "[If he] throw[s] a fastball (and I mean one, like he just rears back in a game, bullpen session, playing catch, w/e) faster than 90 MPH and strike out a batter once every other inning. (4.5K’s/9)
I think based on name, solid numbers, and the fact that ultimately, he will be a control pitcher, he stays in the top 100, even if his stuff has fallen off.

Also, BuccoBrigade I assure you I am not insulting your intelligence by quoting myself because I did send mixed signals, as you quoted.

by McCutchenIsTheTruth on Aug 3, 2009 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Alvarez, Alderson, Tabata, and Lincoln are the bucs top 4 prospects by far in that order.

all 4 of them have a chance to be elite players in the bigs…
Coming into spring training next year the top 10 list will be…
1. Alvarez (Top 10 in all Baseball)
2. Alderson ( Top 30)
3. Tabata (Top 30)
4. B. Lincoln (Top 40-50 range)
5. G. Hernandez (Top 80)
6. T. Sanchez (Top 100 i feel he will crack it…because of the year hes having already)
7. R. Owens (Top 150)
8. R. Grossman (Top 150)
9. J. Locke (Top 150)
10. Q. Miller (Top 200)

by BigB23 on Aug 3, 2009 11:45 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I agree on most points

I think you have Alderson a bit too high, maybe Tabata a bit too low. I like where you put Gorkys but I think Rudy will be higher and crack the top 100. His numbers have been too good and he has looked too dominant that if he shows solid adjustment (which I think he will) to pitching at a higher level at lynchburg, scouts will take notice. I think hes a 80’s or 90’s guy.

I think Sano is a sleeper because if things are resolved with his age and scouts think he is as young as he claims, he will get in the top 100. Iona was 49 (IIRC) as the top sign out of Latin America last year.

Also, I simply added Miller based on his stuff and the fact that someone on ESPN (maybe Keith Law) had an article that pegged him as a sleepr for the top 100 (based on this stuff)

by McCutchenIsTheTruth on Aug 3, 2009 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

what’s the latest on Sano?

by GL9 on Aug 3, 2009 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Gorkys Hernandez, despite the sweet name, is definitely not a top 100 player. He has no idea how to use his speed. Tabata also will not come close to cracking the top 30 on any list; “familiarity breeds contempt” and he has yet to show real power. I still believe in him; many others don’t.

by colfanmat14 on Aug 4, 2009 1:36 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Bryan Morris

I think his blow up and subsequent suspension will end up being a positive. He’s got to be pretty close to, if not already, 100% healthy. From here we should see Lincoln-like improvement.

The blow-up is probably competitive frustration…

by God Loves on Aug 3, 2009 1:34 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

And even if the pitching thing doesn't work out...

he might have a future as a manager in the Lou Piniella mold.

by maguro on Aug 3, 2009 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Walker might not even make the Pirates top 100 now….

by Gorkys n' Beans on Aug 3, 2009 1:50 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I think you’ll still see Alderson and Alvarez in the top 50 (maybe Pedro in top 25), Tabata and Hernandez in 75-100 range (because they haven’t shown much power improvement) and that is it.

Maybe Sanchez in top 100, but I think he needs to hit well for a full season to get it.

by Gorkys n' Beans on Aug 3, 2009 1:53 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Updated Top 10 list from Baseball America

http://www.baseballamerica.com/today/prospects/ask-ba/2009/268637.html

Written by Jim Callis, who states that the Pirates have def added mroe quantity than quality and doesn’t think the ranking they gave the Pirates system to start the year (18) will change dramatically.

You can read the article, but he’s got Lincoln at 2, Tabata at 5, and the currently unsigned Zack Von Rosenberg at 8 ahead of Grossman and Marte.

He also says if the Pirates do sign Sano, he would drop in at number 2 right behind Alvarez

by Jett on Aug 4, 2009 2:50 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I'm sure he knows what hes talking about

but his list seems very strange to me. Surpised me by putting Sanchez that high and Tabata that low. He at least explained that Tabata is only #5 due to his inconsistency and age questions. I don’t see how Sano could jump to #2 as a 16 year old who hasn’t played a game on this continent, but whatever.

by McCutchenIsTheTruth on Aug 4, 2009 3:07 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

A former BA staffer...

…is the scout who told us to draft Sanchez at #4. They might be deferring a bit to his opinion there.

Sano ranks that high because BA tilts more toward ceiling than floor in their rankings. He’s got superstar upside, so he gets a boost in the rankings.

by Vlad on Aug 4, 2009 9:46 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

no offense

to mr callis, but that list is horses—-t.

On Sanchez: “Hitting .341 in pro debut, but Pirates could have done better with No. 4 overall pick”…A myriad of sources have referred to this past draft as “strasburg, ackley, and a pot-luck dinner” essentially. I would think most of this “how could they pick that guy” talk would have died down a bit given how he has started the season.

Tabata: “Remains an enigma, and questions about his physique and true age linger.” Right. An enigma who just crushed the ball for a solid month at AA at the age of 20. Even if by some random circumstance Tabata is actually 23, that’s STILL impressive.

Grossman: “2008 sixth-rounder who signed for $1 million is having just a so-so first full season.”…He spent June destroying the ball, and dipped in July but had a drastic improvement in his K/BB numbers. Oh, and he’s ninteen years old.

I think calling this list overly negative would be generous.

by geeves on Aug 6, 2009 3:34 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Jim Callis

I lose respect for him by the day. Given that he covers all 30 teams’ prospects, I highly doubt he’s spent all that much time examining the Pirates’ mid-tier (B+ through B-) guys.

He also seems to end up being wrong about projections, predictions, and scouting reports almost as much as John Perotto.

by colfanmat14 on Aug 6, 2009 7:05 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

He also seems to end up being wrong about projections, predictions, and scouting reports almost as much as John Perotto.

It’s almost as if predicting player’s futures isn’t a perfect science!

by wickethewok on Aug 25, 2009 8:40 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

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