Before we put too much stock in the draft....
I have written here in the past about past Pirates draft mishaps, and while they seem to be getting better at taking chances on mid round players with upside, over the last 17 years, they have drafted so poorly, it's no wonder that they have had so many losing seasons in a row. So before we bemoan the fact that we took someone way too early again in this draft, know that it's been modus operandi for a long time now.
I did a cursory review of the Pirates drafts from 1993-2005 and the effect drafts have had on the roster is minimal at best, with only a couple players in each draft ever making it to the majors, which, out of 50 and multiplied by 13 years is an astounding percentage of misfires. I will show the 1st round pick and anyone who had more than a cup of coffee in the bigs:
2005 - Andrew McCutcheon: Steve Pearce (8th) Total:2
2004 - Neil Walker Total:0
2003 -Paul Maholm, Tom Gorzelanny (2), Josh Sharpless (24) Total:3 Not signed - Dallas Buck (19)
2002 - Bryan Bullington: Brad Eldred (6), Matt Capps (7), Nyjer Morgan (33) Total:4
2001 - John Van Beneschoten, Jeff Keppinger (4), Chris Duffy (8), Zach Duke (20), Chris Shelton (33), Rajai Davis (33) Total:6 Not signed: Jeremy Guthrie (3), Stephen Drew (11)
2000 - Sean Burnett, Chris Young (3), Jose Bautista (20), Nate McClouth (25), Ian Snell (26) Total:5
1999 - Bobby Bradley, Ryan Doumit (2), J.R. House (5), Brian Tallet (20) Total:3
1998 - Clint Johnson, Dave Williams (17), Joe Beimel (18), Steve Sparks (28) Total:3
1997 - J.J. Davis, John Grabow (3), Mike Gonzalez (30) Total:2
1996 - Kris Benson, Tike Redman (5), Willie Harris (28) Rob Mackowiak (53) Total:3 Not signed: Chris Capuano (45)
1995 - Chad Hermansen, Bronson Arroyo (3) Total:2
1994 - Mark Farris, Jimmy Anderson (9) Total:1
1993 - Charles Peterson, Jermaine Allensworth (1), Kane Davis (13), Chris Peters (38) Total:4
So, there you have it, out of 13 drafts, the Pittsburgh Pirates were able to find a total of 38 players good enought to play in the majors. 13 of them were relief pitchers. 10 were good enough to be regulars in the Pirates lineup or rotation. That is 1.5% of the 650 players drafted by the Buccos during that time. 5 of them are currently on the Pirates roster.
There is hope on the horizon, NH is looking to build through the draft. I don't understand why the previous regimes didn't see that as a goldmine possibility. There were some injuries and some blatant misfires (see my old post about Bullington being the worst #1 of all time in any sport) but if you can't afford the free agents, why wouldn't you spend more on the draft, where the playing field is somewhat more level. Hopefully we have turned the corner, as there is no way it can get much worse.
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I bet
with the way we draft now, we would have given Drew enough $$ to sign back then.
by northsidenotch on Aug 6, 2009 6:22 PM EDT up reply actions
We were actually...
…set to give him above-slot $$s back then, but when they hired DL as the new GM, he pulled back the offer.
Well
wasn’t that nice of DL
Show me a guy whos afraid to look bad, and I'll show you a guy you can beat every time. -Lou Brock
06 is at least decent with Lincoln and Owens, plus Negrych as maybe a bench player.
The best bet from the 2007 draft is Brian Friday, and that’s about all? Yikes.
That's really bad
especially with how good the 2007 draft is looking (at least the first round) in producing stars/good major leaguers.
Show me a guy whos afraid to look bad, and I'll show you a guy you can beat every time. -Lou Brock
Maybe Quincy Latimore is also a prospect. Still, that’s 2 players from 07 with a realistic shot at the Majors (3 if you really want to count Moskos which I don’t), and none of them project to be more than role-players at the very best.
by Gorkys n' Beans on Aug 6, 2009 7:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Nice post; I’ve been thinking the same thing after doing my own Littlefield-era draft research. NH’s two drafts in and of themselves are proof of marked improvement in the system, resulting in far more legitimate prospects and total upside than most of Littlefield’s combined. I still like 1 (yes, only 1… pathetic) selection from Littlefield’s last two drafts: Quincy Lattimore, who isn’t exactly world-beating.
On a related note, if NH were in charge In The Year Of Moskos, I firmly believe he would have done the right thing and selected Wieters. The super-prospect has struggled thus far this year, but the somewhat-reliable PECOTA forecast calls for a 2011 (the year in which I hope we at least sniff decency) weighted mean line of 31 HRs, .313 BA, .404 OBP, .548 SLG. Adding a level of production even approaching that to a lineup also featuring Pedro Alvarez and Andrew McCutchen results in a very legitimate batting order.
couple of corrections needed...
Willie Harris (1996) never signed with the Pirates (signed with Orioles)…and Brian Tallet (1999) didn’t sign either (Indians in 2000).
You need to be a little more careful...
…about closing the book on the more recent drafts. There are a handful of guys from those years with at least a smidgen of promise remaining. For 2003, Lerud is on the 40-man. For 2004, Bloom and Bixler (who should at least count as a ML player), as well as the now-traded Todd Redmond, who’s on Atlanta’s 40-man. For 2005, Lillibridge (also a ML player) and Jeff Sues.
You missed some older ML guys, too.
Off the top of my head, I don’t see Shane Youman, Jeff Bennett, or Jon Albaladejo.
Whereas the Creech drafts are more like dead canaries in the coal mines.
by WTM on Aug 6, 2009 8:11 PM EDT up reply actions
You're right Vlad
I didn’t put some of those guys because they haven’t been up for over a year, like Bixler. The older ones, I fanned on, but didn’t miss anyone important.
Shayborg, the reason I pick Bullington as the worst #1 pick is because of who they could have had:
B.J. Upton
Zach Greinke
Prince Fielder
Jeff Francis
Jeremy Hermida
Scott Kazmir
Joe Saunders
Nick Swisher
James Loney
Khalil Greene
Joey Votto
Jon Lester
Jonathan Broxton
Brian McCann
Charlie Morton
Compare that to who was in the first couple rounds in 2004
Justin Verlander
Jered Weaver
Stephen Drew
Reid Brignac
Homer Bailey
Jovanni Gallardo
Hunter Pence
Dustin Pedroia
J.A. Happ
Combine that with the fact that Littlefield drafted him with the #1 pick overall thinking he would be a #3 starter….that makes it sadder.
It’s like in the NBA when the Clippers took Olowokandi instead of Bibby, Nowitzki, Carter, Jamison, Pierce and Lewis. Just a tragic case of what if.
WOW
please, no more, the ineptitude is killing me. Just seeing that whole list of guys that we could’ve had instead of Bullington just makes my head hurt.
The list from ‘04 does NOT make me feel any better. Don’t get me wrong, I think Neil Walker’s a great kid and getting the hometown boy always makes you warm and fuzzy, but Pedroia was a college player that won an MVP four years later. OUCH.
Got another comparison for you, Rubble. When the Pistons took Darko Milicic in ’03 over Carmelo, Chris Bosh and D-Wade. Yeesh.
"Straight ball I hit very much, but curveball, bats are afraid." - Pedro Cerrano
Another interesting comparison that has actually went the other way
Mario Williams was supposed to be the worst pick over.. mainly because Reggie Bush was going to be, hands down, the best running back ever.
In the last handful of years Bush has looked like a scrub and Mario has played at an all-star level. I love it.
by McCutchenIsTheTruth on Aug 7, 2009 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions
The irony is, if I remember correctly, the 2003 draft was supposed to be very weak. And despite what we may remember wasn’t Bullington considered to be the best of the bunch besides Upton? I really don’t remember.
He was definitely top 5.
The exact order was fairly fluid that year, though most people had Upton at #1.
good point travis
If you google around, you can pretty easily find some contemporaneous assessments of the 2003 draft. I know I have found John Sickels easily. He did not criticize the Pirates for picking Bullington, and I think there was another one that I found that had a similar view. There were questions about Upton; he was viewed as the highest upside pick, but riskier. Bullington was safer. I guess that led to the infamous 3d starter quote, but the fact is that everyone thought he was a good bet to be a solid starter. Somehow he lost 4 mph off his fastball by the time he reported to the Pirates. It wasn’t a crazy pick, like Moskos.
link
Here is that link, actually to the 2002 draft.
http://assets.espn.go.com/mlb/columns/draft/1391123.html
This is what he said about the top two picks:
Plenty of high school players fill up first round
________________________________________By John Sickels
Special to ESPN.com
Here are some initial impressions of the players picked in the first round in the 2002 draft. This year’s draft class did not have a super-talent like Mark Prior available, and some of the players that went in the first round would have gone in the second or third round some years. But while the “peak” of talent was down this season, there was considerable depth, especially in high school pitching. The biggest weakness was college position players.
1. Pirates, Bryan Bullington, RHP, Ball State University
A 6-5, 210 pound right-hander, Bullington became the class of the college pitching ranks this year after Bobby Brownlie struggled with arm problems. His fastball peaks at 96 mph, though 91-94 is his usual range. His slider is very good, and he has enough pitching aptitude to improve his changeup. Scouts like his work ethic and mound demeanor. Statistically, his 139/18 K/BB ratio for Ball State implies that he should have little trouble with the low minors once he signs; he could reach Double-A very quickly. Bullington does not project as a true ace, but few scouts doubt that he’ll be a successful major-league pitcher, assuming good health of course. You should assume that the standard injury disclaimer applies to all of these reports.
2. Devil Rays, B.J. Upton, SS, Greenbriar Christian HS, Chesapeake, Va.
In a draft that is fairly weak in position players, Upton stands out. One of the best overall athletes available this year, Upton is also a polished baseball player, drawing comparisons to a young Derek Jeter. His glove is superb: his arm, range, and hands all rate as above-average to excellent. He should have no trouble playing shortstop in pro ball. While Upton hit over .600 in high school this year, some people are uncertain about how much power he’ll show with wood against professional competition. He is physically strong, but may not develop much more than gap power due to a line drive swing and a lanky body. He should hit for average, but will that be .280 or .320? He runs extremely well, so he’ll be a basestealing danger when on base. Most experts consider Upton to be the best player in the draft this year, falling to the D-Rays only because the Pirates wanted a pitcher and were uncertain they could meet Upton’s asking price.
Since I went to the 2003 draft by mistake, here are a couple tidbits from that one. It is now six years that people are mentioning Milledge’s “off-field issues.” I don’t think they are going to disapper tomorrow.
8. Pittsburgh: Paul Maholm, LHP, Mississippi State University
A polished lefty, Maholm doesn’t have the upside of recent Pirate college pitching picks John VanBenschoten and Bryan Bullington. But he throws strikes, knows what he’s doing, and should move quickly up the ladder.
12. New York (NL): Lastings Milledge, OF, HS, Palmetto, Fla.
Tool-laden athlete with a good track record of performance. Projected as a top five pick earlier in the year, so this is a potential bargain at this point in the draft, assuming that off-the-field issues which have hurt his reputation don’t reoccur.
Just as a note:
The “off-the-field-issues” to which Sickels is referring are Milledge having (consensual) sex with one or more underaged girls when he was a 15/16-year-old in high school.
Milledge seems like one of those kids who just keep doing dumb things at random intervals. I had a friend in HS like that, he’d be fine for a while, then he’d go do some obviously dumb thing.
Compare to Dennis Rodman, if you can tolerate his need to act out and get him to conform enough to fit the system, he can be a great asset. If not things can get ugly.

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