News Roundup: Pedro Alvarez Hits Three Homers for Team USA
UPDATE: There are four items here. Two had threads I already knew about before I wrote this, and by the time I wrote it and published it, people had posted fanposts or fanshots about the other two, as well. I guess that shows how little there is to discuss right now. Thanks to everyone who has been on top of these things.
Alvarez slugs three home runs for U.S. - PBC Blog - post-gazette.com
Pedro Alvarez hit three homers today for team USA. Former Pirate prospect Todd Redmond was the winning pitcher for the U.S. against Chinese Taipei.
Rangers sign supplemental 1st-round pick Scheppers - USATODAY.com
Tanner Scheppers, the Pirates' 2nd-round pick in 2008, finally signed with the Rangers for a $1.25 million bonus. Scheppers always seems to be struggling with injuries and amateur pitchers are never the most reliable commodities, so this would seem to be a risky investment for Texas.
Minor League Baseball: Scoreboard: Scoreboard
Jeff Locke and the Lynchburg Hillcats can win the Carolina League championship with a victory tonight.
Murray Chass On Baseball " PIRATES GET $40 MILLION, PLAYERS $20 MILLION
There has already been a fair amount of commentary here and elsewhere about this Murray Chass article. For me it's not really worth commenting on, except to marvel at sportswriters' inability to understand the strategic reasons behind the idea of rebuilding. It's not just Chass; a lot of mainstream writers, perhaps a majority, don't get it, or pretend not to get it, and use it as an excuse for all kinds of misplaced moralizing. For example:
The Pirates this year traded Nate McLouth, Morgan, Adam LaRoche, Freddy Sanchez, Jack Wilson, Eric Hinske, Ian Snell, Tom Gorzelanny, John Grabow and Sean Burnett. You could almost put a team on the field with that lineup.
Well, yeah--a terrible one, which is exactly why you trade them. Chass apparently hasn't watched the Pirates for the last three or four years, at a minimum.
But what was Morgan (at left)? He was a rookie who showed he was ready to play in the majors. He was hitting .271 when he was traded, and he has hit .351 for Washington for a .307 season average.
They didn’t need to trade Morgan to make room in the outfield for McCutchen because McCutchen was already there and hitting .295 in his first month. They didn’t need to trade Morgan to get Lastings Milledge, another young outfielder, because they didn’t need Milledge, who in trials with the Mets and the Nationals had failed to demonstrate major league maturity...
The belief among officials of other clubs is that the Pirates traded Morgan because of his age. At 29, he is five years older than Milledge (below). The Pirates, though, shouldn’t be concerned about having a 35-year-old Morgan playing center field for them. They would have traded him well before they reached that juncture.
So... the Pirates shouldn't have traded Morgan because they didn't have to worry about Morgan getting old, because they would have traded him before that point? Does that strike anyone else as a bizarre criticism?
This, though, is my favorite:
On second thought they have Andrew McCutchen (at right) on their roster, and if they traded Nyjer Morgan they can trade Andrew McCutchen.
Right, because Morgan = McCutchen. A baseball writer who is unable to see the enormous differences between the two is like a jeweler who is unable to understand the difference between diamonds and cubic zirconia. Not all shiny things are created equal, and not all fast outfielders are either.
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don’t know where to begin with the Chass idiocy, but the incessant digs at Milledge are just so stupid and lazy. Is a 21 yr old supposed to be mature? By that logic, the Pirates made the right move in dumping Aramis, who displayed plenty of immaturity in his time with the Pirates but ultimately abillity wins out.
A lot of baseball writers act like it’s no big deal for someone to reach 30 career HRs and 100 RBI by age 23.5. Tony Plush won’t reach those numbers in his entire career.
by chicos_pants on Sep 17, 2009 6:08 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Immaturity to me is starting a blog and saying you hate all blogs but yours isn’t a blog.
by WTM on Sep 17, 2009 6:47 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Demery44
Is now 2nd behind NuHo as the worse PBC blogger in the site.
He really rained on that parade.
by BadAndy on Sep 17, 2009 6:08 PM EDT via mobile reply actions 0 recs
I would think that it is probably okay to ignore anyone with a nic that references Larry Demery.
by lighthouse913 on Sep 17, 2009 6:29 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah.
I can’t believe anyone would pick the name of the idiot who murdered Michael Jordan’s father. What an a**hole.
by IAPiratesFan on Sep 17, 2009 10:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not that Demery44 deserves to be defended, but I think the reference is to this guy.
by WTM on Sep 17, 2009 11:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Interesting career
Some very nice years at ages 22 – 23, a bad year at 24 and then never pitched in the majors again. Arm troubles, I assume?
by maguro on Sep 17, 2009 11:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He couldn't find home plate.....
Looking at his minor league stats are enlightening; they are here:
http://www.baseball-reference.com/minors/player.cgi?id=demery001law
I was to young to remember very much about him during his time with the Pirates; but maybe he was a fireballer that couldn’t find the plate???
by lighthouse913 on Sep 18, 2009 1:53 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Before my time so I couldn’t say one way or the other but I wouldn’t guess fireballer either.
Why would his strikeout rate be under 4.4/9 for his career if he were a fireballer?
by MrPedriqueIfYoureNasty on Sep 18, 2009 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If I remember right...
I remember Larry Demery. He wasn’t a fireballer, but had good stuff including a very good changeup. He hurt his arm and never was able to come back.
by SportOMania on Sep 18, 2009 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh.
Yeah, that would make more sense.
by IAPiratesFan on Sep 17, 2009 11:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why would a ballplayer name himself after the murderer of Michael Jordan’s dad?
by JRoth95 on Sep 17, 2009 11:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wilbur’s got it right. For the record; when I stand straight up, I just hit 5 foot 4. I had no idea about the whole Michael Jordan’s dad thing. Weird.
by lighthouse913 on Sep 18, 2009 1:45 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m not a bucco fan but where does the trading stop, what if gorky doesn’t work out along with a couple of pitching prospects and they can’t put a complete young talented team on the diamond…do you trade away your core and start over again?? I couldn’t imagine alverez or mccutchen taking a pay cut and waiting another 5 years just to see competitive baseball played again in pittsburgh. I understand the basic small payroll baseball team theory, try to time your prospects just right so they will be payed under their arbitration years and yet be very competitive. But at some point you have to give out some big checks.
by heffyac on Sep 17, 2009 6:47 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
From earlier this year
I’m pretty sure pirate management is happy with what they have so far…..
And it never hurts to look to improve your team, but most of what they are hoping for is the minor league players to step up and then supplement next year’s roster with some free agents for the bench. I don’t see any major trades involving key players because we retain most of the player’s right for about 5-6 yrs i believe. The starting pitching has been decent with the onus of the losses falling on the offense and bullpen collapses. Also if the next couple years we are even somewhat competetive i’d be happy, but most likely i think you have to look at it as …the AA and A players are where most of our “true” prospects are …with a few exceptions. The trades the past two years have helped to supplement our drafts. The Top 10 Prospects in our minors are mostly from trades indicating that the David Littlefield era of drafting was horrendous.
Who says you can’t start a completely Young Team? I believe Tampa Bay did that didn’t they for the most part? and they had some veteran talent on the bench.
A McCuth should be around for 4-5 yrs since we retain his rights, depending on how the team is doing in 4-5 yrs AND how he is playing dictates what we do with him. You can’t trade him for nothing and NH has shown that he is willing to make some high demands. most of the trades now should be like the Toronto Blue Jays example for Roy Halladay. You should be able to pick and say I want so and so AND another player.
Alvarez will not be up next year to start. If he hits well in AA and they move him to AAA and he still hits decently, then we may see him middle of next year, but…. if they don’t bring him up it would save them a Major league year toward free agency and allow for other prospects to catch up so as to move them all up at once. There is also the consideration that he may be moved from 3B to 1B which NH has denied again and again but every MLB analyst says that it will happen.
I think you could pay Alvarez the big check, but you’d have to get him early and lock him down. Now Boras may want to test the market and unfortunately if Alvarez did that, we have no control ….so when he does have free agency we will have to trade him because there’s no way we could outbid NYY, BoSox, LAD..it doesn’t mean we couldn’t make an offer, my feeling is that agent Boras would not sign and go free agency a la Xavier Nady which basically forces a trade.
by lfhlaw on Sep 17, 2009 7:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Some of these deals won’t pan out, and some of the highly touted prospects won’t cut it. It works that way for everyone. You can’t treat a single player or small core as the answer. You need lots of potential talent and hope the cream rises so to speak. You need to reload talent continually. And sometimes you get lucky with players exceeding reasonable expectations.
I won’t lose sleep over Gorkys panning out. Maybe I will over Moss/Hansen/LaRoche/Morris ALL flopping.
by chicos_pants on Sep 18, 2009 10:25 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think the Moss/Hansen/LaRoche/Morris flopping is well on its way. Morris is probably the only one left with a chance to be above average.
by eyeofhorus777 on Sep 18, 2009 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
BTW
anyone know what we offered Tanner Schepper’s last year considering he’s getting 1.25M this year and it’s not even a Major league contract from what i’ve read.
by lfhlaw on Sep 17, 2009 7:07 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
About the same, I think. Within a couple hundred K, anyway.
by Vlad on Sep 17, 2009 7:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bum didn’t make any more money and consider he lost a year in which he could’ve had that money and gotten experience, but ah well hindsights 20/20
by lfhlaw on Sep 18, 2009 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
All that it takes is one agent assuring you that you’re a top 5 caliber pick to make that decision though…I’m certain that he was advised that he’d make more once he was healthy. It just didn’t work out that way.
by MrPedriqueIfYoureNasty on Sep 18, 2009 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well...
Locke won’t get the win for Lynchburg…as he’s already hit the showers. 1.2 IP, 6 H, 4 R, 4 ER, 3 BB, 2 K. The good news is that Lynchburg scored 1 in the 1st and 6 in the 2nd…and lead 7-4 after 2 innings.
by Thunder on Sep 17, 2009 8:12 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
It's a really good thing
for Pedro Alvarez and Brad Lincoln to be a part of a winning team thus far in the World Cup of Baseball, just as we should be happy with the performance of many of our top prospects with Lynchburg in the Carolina League postseason.
These guys need to be a part of winners as they move forward in their Bucco careers and help us overturn what may end up as 20 consecutive losing seasons before it’s all said and done.
by patthatt on Sep 17, 2009 9:10 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
A lot of the current guys (Duke, Doumit, Maholm) were part of winners on their way up, too. Doesn’t matter if there’s not enough talent.
I’m increasingly worried that this team won’t be able to approach .500 in 2011. Too many holes, too many positions where we’re hoping for players to exceed their track records. Note that Duke is gone after ’11 and Maholm has a $9.75M club option – 2012 is no lock to be a big step forward from 2011.
We’ll see.
by JRoth95 on Sep 17, 2009 10:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
JRoth
Were they winners because of the number of real prospects they were playing with, or was it because of DL’s system of loading farm teams with overage non-prospects to achieve better records to the detriment of player development?
You’re right in that it “doesn’t matter if there’s not enough talent,” however, I think many of us would like to believe that FC/NH have been trying to build a system full of talent over the past couple of years, and that we’ll reap the rewards of their efforts in a few years.
So, in the cases I mention above, I think it does matter this time around.
by patthatt on Sep 18, 2009 1:35 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow, that was a mind-numbingly terrible article. Brain cell count depleted a few.
Good for the Hillcats.
by Suffering Buc on Sep 17, 2009 10:41 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
That three paragraphs on Morgan is the most nonsensical Pirates critique I’ve ever read, and that is saying a lot.
- Gorkys'nBeans
by Adam Reynolds on Sep 18, 2009 7:57 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I heard about the Chass column before Charlies' post...
and chose not to read it because what I heard about it assured me that it would be uninformed drivel. Charlie’s post proved me correct.
It is mindnumbingly frustrating to continue to find uninformed opinion pieces slamming the current direction of the Pirates. At some point we need to get past that, but I’m not yet, so I won’t fault others for getting pissed. Oh well.
All of that said, I think that there are some causes for concern that are largely going undiscussed. Tops among these is the poor play of the team recently. I didn’t expect them to charge into the wildcard after the trade deadline, but I was hopeful that this group of players, almost all of whom are being given a legitimate chance to be a part of the future, would step up a lot more than they have. I do not think the total collapse that we have seen is acceptable.
Also, the hesitation of Hill and now Kerrigan to return raises questions about their expectations for the team over the next couple of years. The FOs decisions on contracts have proven to be subpar so far. Remember, there was a real push to sign Capps before the season, too. They also talked to Adam LaRoche. Better lucky than good in those cases.
To be clear, I still very much support the direction of the team, but not all is rosey. And in conclusion, Chass should be embarassed by his column.
Good day.
by Uncle Nate on Sep 18, 2009 8:20 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
so ok when does the trading of mlb talent for prospects change to trade prospects for mlb talent?
by heffyac on Sep 18, 2009 8:53 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
When enough of our prospects...
…turn into MLB talent at the same time.
by Vlad on Sep 18, 2009 9:37 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
you miss the point
You develop your own talent, which can be done far more cost effectively than gambling on free agents at peak earning levels and on the verge of declining production. You only deal prospects for veterans if a short term rental will push you into playoff contention (even then, the market is generally not for premium prospects). We’re a long way from considering that scenario.
by chicos_pants on Sep 18, 2009 10:29 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Charlie Morton starts tonight-
We’ve heard a bunch of times about hamstring and groin issues limiting his effectiveness.
I’m not much of a stats person, but I find the similarity of the numbers below troubling, health problems notwithstanding.
2008 ATL 16 15 4 8 0 0 0 0 0 74.2 80 56 51 9 41 48 6.15 1.62 .273
2009 PIT 15 15 3 8 0 0 0 0 0 74.0 86 44 44 7 34 47 5.35 1.62 .295
Charlie Morton has a lot to prove next spring to get a shot at the starting rotation in Pittsburgh from April. The good thing is we seem to have several viable options for the #4 and #5 spots heading into next season.
by patthatt on Sep 18, 2009 12:07 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I was excited after his first 3 to 4 starts but he has turned into just another mediocre pitcher. I hope he can turn it around as we need young arms in numbers, heck even if its in the bullpen (which is actually alot worse than the rotation sadly).
by eyeofhorus777 on Sep 18, 2009 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The numbers aren't all that similar.
He dropped from 4.94 BB/9 to 4.14, for example, and from 1.08 HR/9 to 0.85.
Honestly, the biggest issue with Morton is the poor support he’s generally received throughout his career. His ERA was inflated by a total bullpen failure (60.7% strand rate) in 2008, and by terrible defensive support (.328 BABIP) in 2009.
He’ll be fine.
by Vlad on Sep 18, 2009 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And of course...
…he gave up almost a quarter of his earned runs in one start: 10 ER in one inning against the Cubs on 8/14. That skews his 2009 #s a fair bit.
by Vlad on Sep 18, 2009 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thank you.
I was going to respond to this but now I don’t have to.
by Slick1 on Sep 18, 2009 5:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Vlad
“He’ll be fine.”
The numbers still concern me, as do other things I notice about his “makeup” that the numbers have nothing to do with.
I hope you’re right, but just remember to compare notes on Charlie Morton next summer, the same as Joel Hanrahan.
by patthatt on Sep 18, 2009 7:24 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Numbers or makeup aside, the thing that concerns me about Morton is that he falls behind about 90% of the hitters he faces, especially when he’s got runners on base. He even falls behind the opposing pitcher frequently.
by WTM on Sep 19, 2009 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
By the way, Vlad,
if you’re going to point out that his BB/9 is better at 4.1 this year next to the 4.9 he had last year, you should also say that his hits per 9 are up this season. He’s given up 7 fewer walks in essentially the same amount of innings, but has also allowed 6 more hits. Sounds like a pretty similar number of runners allowed per 9 to me.
Incidentally, you can’t erase the one inning of horrors he had against the Cubs.
It all counts one way or the other, no matter how you try to count things in order to always “prove” your point.
We have a lot to be concerned about with Charlie Morton. Hopefully, he’ll take advantage of the lead he has tonight and help us to a win.
by patthatt on Sep 18, 2009 8:09 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Not that it really says all that much about how you project Charlie Morton, but let’s say you have two completely identical pitchers, A and B. A is Morton. B has exactly the same season, except his team is in contention and his manager doesn’t think preserving the bullpen is more important than trying to win games, the way Russell does. So B’s manager takes him out much sooner against the Cubs and he allows only five runs. Now B’s ERA is 4.44 and Morton’s is 5.00, even though they’re exactly the same pitcher.
Over the long run, this sort of thing evens out. But when you’re focusing on a little over a half a season of pitching, well, there are inherent problems with that.
by WTM on Sep 19, 2009 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The voice of reason?
there’s no room for you here.
Free your ass and your mind will follow.
by cocktailsfor2 on Sep 19, 2009 8:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

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