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Pirates Swept by Reds

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by Tom Uhlman - AP

This was an ugly series. The Pirates managed to lose four games against Kip Wells, Justin Lehr, a guy who was fresh off the DL (Johnny Cueto) and a guy who's pitched well recently but still entered the game with a 6.04 ERA (Homer Bailey). Take yesterday's game, for example. Yes, it might have turned out differently if the Reds hadn't managed to squirt about six dozen ground balls through holes in the infield, but it's still ridiculous to lose against Lehr, who had absolutely nothing, couldn't find the zone and just generally looked like the worst pitcher the Pirates have faced all year.

There were bright spots to this series--No Relation McCutchen's good major league debut, Garrett Jones' continued mashing, Joel Hanrahan. But the fact remains that this was the Reds, who are almost as bad on paper as the Pirates are.

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As bad as the Buccos are

no one could be as worse as the Natinals in the 1st half and Kansas City in the 2nd half.

I have a feelin we’ll end up with the 2nd overall pick

by BadAndy on Sep 2, 2009 5:21 PM EDT via mobile reply actions   0 recs

Speaking of the Nats

They haven’t won a game since Nyjer broke his hand and they’re about to lose again today. As much some love bashing him here, he was the key at the top of their lineup and with Willingham cooled off and Guzman hurting, they’ll win about 6-8 more games the rest of the season

by Jett on Sep 2, 2009 5:43 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The Reds should be worse than us on paper. But, they don’t play the games on paper unfortunately.

by Gorkys n' Beans on Sep 2, 2009 5:44 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

3 losses to record

According to the Yahoo rreport on today’s game, with 3 more losses, the Pirates become “the first major American professional franchise with 17 consecutive losing seasons.” So goes the Bonds Curse and so be it to get to the other side. Go Bucs.

by long4willie on Sep 2, 2009 6:11 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Jekyll is to Hyde as

The Pirates at home are to the Pirates on the road.

Show me a guy whos afraid to look bad, and I'll show you a guy you can beat every time. -Lou Brock

by Green_Wave on Sep 2, 2009 6:17 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Why can’t we win on the road?

I know we’re bad but the home-road split is shocking?

I made most of my life decisions at a Foghat concert... I stand by them.

by Chester J Lampwick on Sep 2, 2009 6:18 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Reds fan here

the reds might not look good on papper butt at least i can name 3 people who where on the roster at the begeening of the season!!!!!!

you guys might have MCcutchin but we have Drew Stubbs

by vottoholic on Sep 2, 2009 6:37 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

We “might” have McCutchen?

by Gorkys n' Beans on Sep 2, 2009 6:41 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ever heard of spelling, grammar or capitalization ? What other trades could we make ? Oh and which " ship" are you referring to ?

"Baseball is better than football. Think about it, eighty degrees, a cold beer and a short-sleeve shirt is better than 30 degrees, a hip flask and six layers of clothes under a lap blanket. Take your pick: suntan or frostbite. " - Thomas Boswell

by Ketcham Bruce on Sep 2, 2009 6:51 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

"owner ship"

That would actually be pretty awesome, if Nutting came to games on a boat.

by Vlad on Sep 3, 2009 9:09 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Tremendous idea

Fans do it at Neyland Stadium, why not PNC? Positive p.r. is reason enough.

by richaude on Sep 3, 2009 10:22 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I've been saying it for years.

There needs to be a Pirate ship patrolling the Allegheny River, just outside the park.

Pittsburgh Lumber Co.
http://mvn.com/pittsburghlumberco

by MBandi on Sep 3, 2009 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

McCutchen >>>>>> Stubbs

by Charlie on Sep 2, 2009 6:54 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

McCutchen (presuming that you mean Andrew, rather than Daniel) is 24 months younger than Stubbs, and has about 170 more points of OPS. And what is a “papper butt.” I bet most teams look bad there.

by Traco Bucco on Sep 2, 2009 6:57 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's nice...

McCutchen’s OPS after 15 games in the majors was .890. And he’s still 24 months younger than Stubbs.

by Traco Bucco on Sep 2, 2009 7:15 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Stubbs

….he makes a fine BBQ sauce. I’ll give him that.

by lost_zero on Sep 2, 2009 8:50 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

“you guys might have MCcutchin but we have Drew Stubbs”

That might be the funniest thing I’ve heard all week. Thanks for the comic relief, troll.

by maguro on Sep 2, 2009 6:59 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

seriously

both teams suck, the amount of suck should matter little (if any). There really is very little to no difference between losing 95 games and losing 90 games.

Show me a guy whos afraid to look bad, and I'll show you a guy you can beat every time. -Lou Brock

by Green_Wave on Sep 2, 2009 8:08 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Alvarez >>>>>> Stubbs
Tabata >>>>>> Stubbs

by phil79 on Sep 2, 2009 6:56 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

So what’s the pecking order:

Royals fans can mock the Reds; Reds fans can mock the Pirates, and Pirates fans can mock the Nats?

heads over to Federal Baseball

I made most of my life decisions at a Foghat concert... I stand by them.

by Chester J Lampwick on Sep 2, 2009 7:01 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

No man im not trying to mock anybody

You guys think the pirates are better than the reds and its not true.

by vottoholic on Sep 2, 2009 7:04 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

…And where has anybody said that?

by Kidspud on Sep 2, 2009 7:14 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

In fact, I explicitly said the opposite. The Reds are better right now. But I’d much rather be a Pirates fan right now. A lot of the players who started the year with the Reds are still there, yes—and that’s the problem with the Reds. The Pirates’ farm system is better, too.

by Charlie on Sep 2, 2009 7:17 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

RF Jay Bruce: UPDATE 7/12 – placed on DL with a broken wrist
C Ramon Hernandez : UPDATE 7/19 – placed on DL with a sore left knee; he is expected to be out 4-6 weeks
CF Willy Taveras: UPDATE 8/19 – placed on DL with a strained quadriceps muscle
RHP Aaron Harang: UPDATE 8/23 – placed on the DL after having an appendectomy; he’s out for the season
OF Chris Dickerson: UPDATE 7/27 – placed on DL with bruised right shoulder UPDATE 8/11 – activated from DL UPDATE 8/23 – headed for the DL with an ankle injury
C Ryan Hanigan: UPDATE 8/24 – placed on DL with a concussion
LF Laynce Nix: UPDATE 8/31 – placed on DL with bulging disc in back

60-Day Disabled List
UTL Wilkin Castillo : UPDATE 5/24 – recalled from AAA UPDATE 5/26 – optioned to AAA UPDATE 5/30 – recalled from AAA UPDATE 6/6 – optioned to AAA UPDATE 6/23 – placed on the DL with a torn labrum UPDATE 7/3 – transferred to 60-Day DL
RHP Edinson Volquez: UPDATE 5/21 – placed on the DL with back spasms UPDATE 5/31 – will be activated before Monday’s game UPDATE 6/1 – activated from DL UPDATE 6/2 – will be placed back on DL with right elbow tendinitis UPDATE 8/1 – will undergo season-ending elbow surgery UPDATE 8/25 – transferred to 60-Day DL
RHP Mike Lincoln: UPDATE 6/17 – placed on DL with bulging disc in neck UPDATE 8/25 – transferred to 60-Day DL
IF Danny Richar: UPDATE 6/20 – contract purchased from AAA UPDATE 7/3 – placed on DL with shoulder injury UPDATE 7/27 – will undergo season-ending surgery to repair a torn labrum in his left shoulder

by vottoholic on Sep 2, 2009 7:24 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Looks like a solid core that you can really build a winning franchise around.
  Wouldn’t surprise me if the Reds break the record the Pirates will set this year.

by tom p on Sep 3, 2009 11:00 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

the word is "were"

that’s twice for you. Maybe you hit the sauce a little early today in celebration of the sweep.

by lost_zero on Sep 2, 2009 8:52 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I wasn’t upset or offended by your comments, I was just trying to point out that both our respective teams suck donkey balls.

I made most of my life decisions at a Foghat concert... I stand by them.

by Chester J Lampwick on Sep 2, 2009 8:29 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Like paper, rock, scissors

for crappy baseball teams.

by maguro on Sep 2, 2009 7:08 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Comparing

The quality of the Reds and Bucs???? A slow day indeed. Hint: the degree of suck differential far less than how far each is from quality.

by GeneClines on Sep 2, 2009 7:22 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

worth what you pay for it

the topics for dejan’s Q & A this week consisted of:

1. the losing streak
2. the bay deal was bad
3. when is pedro coming?
4. yoslan hererra
5. GFJ
6. hey remember when…

i know this is a pretty boring major league team right now but those are not very compelling. you could have asked any of these questions (with the exception of jones) months ago. i can argue over garret jones and bash yoslan here for free. and the PG expects to charge for this sort of thing starting next season?

by johnnycuff on Sep 3, 2009 11:05 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Who is...?

Who is Drew Stubbs? A darn good centerfielder and prospect. I would not take him over McCutchen, nor his potential compared to Alvarez and Tabata, but I’m certain that the Reds are satisfied with what they have seen in him. Quite an upgrade from Willy Taveras for sure. To disrespect him is a reaction to Reds fans crowing about the four-game sweep. We have better guys, a better farm system, and a better team. All we need now is for this to show on the field. When?

by hermitage hero on Sep 3, 2009 11:16 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

He's OK.

Plus glove, but the bat is iffy. I’m not sure he projects as more than a temp starter (which does, admittedly, make him a million miles better than Taveras).

by Vlad on Sep 3, 2009 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

So

Basically Gorkys, then?

by biggyv on Sep 3, 2009 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

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