Could the Pirates Lose 110 Games in 2010?
That this post even needs to be written speaks volumes about where the Pirates are right now. But despite the Bucs' spectacular collapse since the trades, I think it's far too early to worry, as many of you have, about losing 110 games next year. It's true that the Pirates' play over the last month would put them on pace for far worse than a 110-loss season. But that doesn't mean a 110-loss season will actually happen. A 110-loss team would be among the worst teams in modern baseball history. In the last 40 years, only two teams, the 2003 Tigers and the 2004 Diamondbacks, have lost as many as 110 games in a season, which means that if the Pirates lost 110, they would have to be considered one of the worst teams in modern baseball history. I think there is plenty of evidence that shows that they are bad. I don't think there is nearly enough to show that they are historically bad.
The irony here is that, way back in 2007, I myself was pointing out that the 2010 Pirates were going to be spectacularly bad. I even suggested what some of you are now saying--that they could lose 110 games. Most of the core players on that 2007 team--Jason Bay, Adam LaRoche, Freddy Sanchez, Jose Castillo, Xavier Nady, Salomon Torres--were scheduled to become free agents after 2009, and Jack Wilson had an expensive 2010 option. In addition, they had one of the worst general managers in the history of baseball at the helm and next to nothing in the farm system. That the Bucs would be quite awful in 2010 has been obvious for a long time now, and frankly Neal Huntington bears very little responsibility for it. In 2007, it looked like a perfect storm of a terrible big-league team, no prospects and inept management was brewing, and I think it was maybe only a little hyperbolic to write that a 110-loss campaign in 2010 was likely.
The reason I don't think it's likely now is that Huntington has taken enough steps to improve the 2010 situation that I think we can remove "historically bad" from the set of likely possibilities for now.
I realize that's a counterintuitive conclusion, since clearly Huntington's eyes are set at a point well beyond 2010 and the Bucs aren't playing very well right now. But without Huntington there would be no Ross Ohlendorf or Daniel McCutchen, who were acquired in the Nady deal. There would be no Charlie Morton, since the Pirates under Littlefield would not allow Nate McLouth to start and therefore to acquire value on the trade market. It's quite possible Littlefield would have started Nyjer Morgan in 2009, but back in mid-2007 his breakout would have been extremely hard to foresee (since Morgan hadn't even made his major league debut at that point), and trading him for Lastings Milledge and Joel Hanrahan would have been even harder to foresee. Without Huntington the Pirates probably still would have had Ian Snell, but they wouldn't have Ronny Cedeno or Jeff Clement. Those guys--Ohlendorf, Morton, Milledge, Hanrahan, Cedeno, Clement--are all major league players. Maybe not great ones, in some cases, but certainly useful ones, and one characteristic of 110-loss teams is that they have very few useful players.
Also, a number of decent prospects--Pedro Alvarez, Jose Tabata, Brad Lincoln, Chase D'Arnaud, Rudy Owens, Ron Uviedo, Jeff Locke, Tim Alderson--will be either in the high minors or on the verge of arriving there. That may sound like a trivial point, but actually it isn't. 110-loss seasons can be avoided simply by having a storehouse of players who might be able to fill in competently.
Now, maybe Littlefield would have traded Bay and some of the other core players, too. I doubted that at the time, though, because doing so would have meant admitting that he basically had nothing after five or six years on the job, and because he was basically acting like 2010 did not exist, as if the Pirates would be contracted before the season started. That was my reason for thinking 110 losses was possible then. Now it appears that Huntington is at least aware that the Pirates will be playing baseball next season. That might not mean much, but it's something.
The most critical point here, though, is that losing 110 games is spectacularly difficult to do. It requires either extreme negligence or a combination of negligence and bad luck. Merely being a very poor team, which I agree the Pirates probably will be, simply does not get the job done. Let's take the two teams that lost 110, for example.
The 2004 Diamondbacks reached 110 losses through both negligence and luck. Not only did they have the worst offense in the league--an outcome that is surely also a possibility for the 2010 Pirates--but they really had no starting rotation after Randy Johnson (who was brilliant) and Brandon Webb. The five pitchers who had the most starts for them were Casey Fossum, Steve Sparks, Casey Daigle, Edgar Gonzalez, and Lance Cormier, and all of those guys had ERAs over six. Arizona finished 27th in the majors in ERA, and one of the three teams that fared worse was the Rockies. And the Diamondbacks still only got to 110 through bad luck--their Pythagorean record was "only" 54-108.
The 2010 Bucs really don't even belong in the same conversation with the '03 Tigers, who lost 119 games. The Tigers only had one pitcher throw more than 20 innings with an ERA below 4.50; the '09 Pirates, by comparison, have seven pitchers currently in their organization who have done that this year. The Tigers basically had one good hitter (Dmitri Young), and the lower part of their lineup and their bench were filled with guys (Brandon Inge, Warren Morris, Ramon Santiago, Shane Halter, Gene Kingsale, Omar Infante, Matt Walbeck, Andres Torres) who just didn't belong in the majors. It wasn't a case of a team merely being bad; it was a case of a team simply not taking the steps necessary to ensure that there was a real team on the field.
When I say that the Pirates are unlikely to lose 110 games next year, I'm not paying the Pirates a compliment. I'm just saying these 110-loss prognostications are the result of either over-the-top despair about the Bucs' recent play, or a misunderstanding about how incredibly hard it actually is to lose 110.
Another possibility is that people think you can extrapolate the Bucs' play the last couple months over the course of an entire season. You can't. By way of example, let's look at Brandon Moss. Let's say he's the Bucs' fourth outfielder next year and he starts the season 6-for-60, for a batting average of .100.
Now, we would be perfectly justified to say that Moss is terrible. We already would have been thinking that Moss is pretty terrible, given the way he hit in 2009. And then he went and started 2010 6-for-60. Ugh! Terrible.
But would be justified to say that he will continue to bat .100? Well, no. True, he already batted .100 in his first 60 at bats, but hitting .100 over the long haul is especially hard to do. First of all, we have to consider that Brandon Moss has, at various points, done things that suggest he can be much better than a .100 hitter. For example, in 2009 he's batting .241. Not very good, but way better than .100. Also, he made his way through the minors and got all the way to the big leagues, even briefly joining a good team, the Boston Red Sox. He has some skill, and players with some skill can usually hit better than .100. Even Mario Mendoza hit .215 for his career.
So we'd be justified to be annoyed at Moss' poor start. We'd also be justified to factor that poor start into our guesses about what he might do going forward. But it wouldn't make much sense to predict he'll be a .100 hitter.
Guessing the 2010 Bucs will lose 110 games is like that. Yes, they've been extremely bad since the trades. But they have three downright functional starting pitchers in Ohlendorf, Zach Duke and Paul Maholm, plus Morton, who easily could make his way into that category next year. They have Andrew McCutchen, who's a plain old good player. They have Garrett Jones who, while due for some serious regression next year, has probably staked a pretty reasonable claim that he's at least going to be useful. They have Ryan Doumit, who in 2008 was a force as an offensively-minded catcher. They have Milledge and Hanrahan, who have shown promise since arriving. They have guys like Ronny Cedeno, Andy LaRoche and Jason Jaramillo who, while they're not exactly inspiring, have shown they at least belong in the majors. There's also at least a reasonable chance that Pedro Alvarez is going to burst onto the scene at some point next season and go nuts.
I'm not saying that's much. It isn't. I'm saying it doesn't take much to avoid 110 losses, and that while anything's possible, I think the Pirates have what it takes. Don't take that as wild-eyed optimism, because again, it isn't. I'm only saying that I think the Pirates can avoid a complete disaster season, and the fact that they've actually been a disaster since the trades doesn't really change that.
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This is the point I was trying to make in the other thread...
…albeit worded more clearly and fleshed out more completely.
To be a 110-loss team, you need to be a terrible team with absolutely no depth and then have basically everything go wrong that can go wrong. Literally everything. If you have even one piece of good luck, you’ll fall short.
by Vlad on Sep 25, 2009 6:50 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
This team has been historically bad for 2 months despite a 7 game win streak. Virtually none of their losses could be characterized as “unlucky.”
If they fail to lose 110 games next year, it will be because Lincoln, Tabata, and/or Pedro come up, or because some FA plays out of his head. It would not take extraordinarily bad luck for this lineup to lose 110.
by JRoth95 on Sep 25, 2009 10:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
One thing that hasn't really been considered in all of this.
The Pirates of 2009 have been for the most part…pretty healthy…as they were in 2008. The only regular to miss a large portion of time was Doumit. None of our main pitchers was injured either.
Most teams can’t go very many years without a few significant injuries. I won’t mention names…so I don’t jinx anyone.
Terrible team…check
No depth…check
key injuries…we’ll see.
If we had a string of injuries like the Mets had this season…do I REALLY need to draw a picture?
by Thunder on Sep 25, 2009 7:03 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
No depth? Hardly.
When I say “no depth”, think “Yoslan Herrera”, or “Dave Davidson”, or “Luis Munoz”.
And while we didn’t do badly on health this year, we weren’t spotless. In addition to Doumit’s problems, Milledge spent most of his first month with the team rehabbing, and we had a whole series of serious issues in the bullpen: Hansen’s potentially-career-ending nerve condition, Yates’s TJ surgery, Meek’s oblique, Dumatrait’s endless rehab, whatever’s ailing Capps, etc.
by Vlad on Sep 25, 2009 7:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not to mention whatever was going on with Ian Snell, which might or might not fall under health issues, depending on how you want to look at it.
by Charlie on Sep 25, 2009 7:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bah
To pretend that this has been an unhealthy team is self-delusion. They missed hardly any starts to injury, unless you stretch enormously to include Snell. Even then, their 3 most talented pitchers made every start, excepting 3 at the end from Ohlie and, iirc, a couple from a groin-y Maholm. That alone is better-than-average results, which means that an honest forecaster would expect more missed starts from their best pitchers. You can talk about histories and age, but the bottom line is that most ML players – even young ones – spend time on the DL. None of the SPs did this year, which indicates that they are likely to next year, not that they’re fucking Robopitcher.
And depth? If Duke misses a month, who starts for him? Either Lincoln coming up early, VV, or some barrel-scraped FA. Better than Yoslan, maybe, but not by much. They have depth in the sense that, when Hart fails utterly, he’ll be replaced by a guy with comparable chances at success instead of a complete bum. That’s a very generous definition of depth. Meanwhile, in the bullpen, we’ve pretty much established that there’s not much there there. You can hope that offseason acquisitions pan out better, and certainly Capps and Hanrahan figure to shoulder more of the load at a higher level than we had this year, but it’s not like we’ve got 5 relievers performing below their natural talent level.
The bottom line is that this team has been historically bad despite better than average starting pitching. To assume that pitching will not regress towards the bad while everything else regresses towards the good…. What’s the term? Wishcasting?
by JRoth95 on Sep 25, 2009 10:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Better than average starters?
Um, no. The Pirates’ starters’ ERA is 4.67, 12th in the NL. The NL starter average is 4.33.
by WTM on Sep 25, 2009 10:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not pretending they're unhealthy.
But I’m not pretending that they’re extraordinarily healthy, either, which was the contention in the post above mine.
by Vlad on Sep 27, 2009 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Are there stats? I’d guess that the Bucs qualify as one of the 3-5 healthiest teams in the majors this year – even more so looking at the post-NyjMo team (their performance since then has been more or less consistently bad). I mean, does any team ever get through 162 games without missing any players to any injury, or having any players playing at less than 100% (btw, I wouldn’t count Milledge – I think at the time it was understood that the finger was more or less a pretext for getting him on board with the “Pirates Way.” There was surely some lingering pain, but not a month’s worth)?
by JRoth95 on Sep 27, 2009 11:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Injuries aren’t random. Team tendencies are heavily dependent on health histories and age. The Nats saw that under Bowden—he had a pattern of trading for toolsy guys who’d had problems elsewhere, often due to injury, and sure enough the Nats seemed to lose most of their lineup to injury by mid-May every year. The Mets’ injuries this year have a lot to do with age. Most of their injured guys are in their 30s, and Ollie Perez is, well, Ollie.
The Pirates are a very young team and their only injury-prone position player of any consequence is Doumit. By getting rid of Jack and Freddy, they greatly reduced their vulnerability to injury.
Same with the pitching staff. None of the most likely 2010 rotation (Duke, Maholm, Ohlie, Morton and Hart) has any significant injury history. A few of the relievers do, but that’s hardly going to trigger a 110-loss season.
by WTM on Sep 25, 2009 8:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Another thing that hasn't been mentioned
is the possibility of more trades. I think it is pretty likely that NH is thinking in terms of 2013 and later that he is building towards. So several of the guys you mention as reasons we won’t lose 110 could be gone soon – Duke, Maholm, Doumit – especially if they start out well next season. The combination of more trades and a few key injuries could even leave us hoping that they only lose 110.
Also, I think your comment that extrapolating the last month is unfair is a little misleading. My recollection is that they have been playing at a level that would leave them with 110+ losses for a lot longer than a month.
by WestCoastBuc on Sep 25, 2009 7:43 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Also, I think your comment that extrapolating the last month is unfair is a little misleading. My recollection is that they have been playing at a level that would leave them with 110+ losses for a lot longer than a month.
That’s fair. Fixed.
by Charlie on Sep 25, 2009 7:57 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I don't think the Pirates will lose 110 games next year.
But I do think it’s reasonable to consider the possibility the team could lose more than the 100 or so we’ll have in the “L” column when we finish this campaign.
I voted first for the 100-109 option.
I suspect Bob Smizik has already voted under multiple user names for the 110+ choice.
The driving force behind my post was to underscore the need for dedicated Bucco fans to hang in there next year and be more concerned about the development of certain players we hope will be pieces of the puzzle for a dominant team in a few years, and worry less about our position in the standings.
by patthatt on Sep 25, 2009 8:48 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Slight correction
Morton’s xFIP this year is 4.77, which certainly qualifies as functional. Especially since Ohlendorf’s is…4.75. Not Morton’s fault the defense hasn’t been there for him. Or Ohlendorf’s that the defense has been for him.
by matskralc on Sep 25, 2009 9:32 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I totally agree with you. I just didn’t want to give anyone any ammunition to dismiss my argument with a glance at Morton’s ERA. It just seemed better for the purposes of this argument to equate functionality with ERA and proceed from there, although I agree that there are more sophisticated ways of looking at it.
by Charlie on Sep 25, 2009 9:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Your next-to-last paragraph...
…contains a list of guys that are going to keep us from 110 losses. Haven’t all of those guys, to a man, been part of the two streaks of 3-17 and 3-21()? I’m open to the possibility that multiple streaks of 6-38 are hard to come by. And I have been looking at the very names you cite and trying to figure out how in the holy hell could they be THIS bad. But that presumes that they’re underachieving right now. If they’re not, 100 is more than a possibility. 50+ games isn’t too small a sample from which to extrapolate when you’re extrapolating to next year with the same guys.
by KPatrick on Sep 25, 2009 9:37 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
BTW
It strikes me that, based on this logic, your 2007 post must have assumed that DL would simply let every single player walk, and would never trade an approaching FA for anything. Because, in terms of the on-field product, the NH Pirates don’t have very much more than one would have assumed for the 2010 DL Pirates. Milledge is the only position player that you could fairly say has a higher ceiling than what you’d assume DL would have gotten (again, unless you’re making the untenable assumption that DL was planing on letting every single FA go without trading them). I mean, if I told you that a GM traded Bay, Nady, Wilson, and Sanchez for (at the ML level) 1 decent SP, a bad RF, a bad 3B, and a maybe-mediocre SS, you’d say, “Curse you, Littlefield!” But that’s what NH has given us – so far. I’m glad there’s more in the minors, but as far as 2010 is concerned, that doesn’t matter. Odds are that none of NH’s trades will bear significant ML fruit next year – or maybe 1 will (Tabata or Alderson, I’d guess).
by JRoth95 on Sep 25, 2009 10:56 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Of course, if 2010 is all-important, Littlefield’s approach is superior: Forget about acquiring prospects, focus on getting “proven major leaguers”. They’ll help you win another few games next year.
You’re not really saying you want DL back, are you?
by maguro on Sep 25, 2009 11:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not at all
Just saying that the logic doesn’t work.
by JRoth95 on Sep 26, 2009 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
unless you’re making the untenable assumption that DL was planing on letting every single FA go without trading them
I’m not sure what the overall point here is, since I can’t imagine it’s that DL was the better GM, but with respect to this one point, I don’t think that’s an untenable assumption at all.
by WTM on Sep 25, 2009 11:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah…based on history, I’d say he’d have tried to negotiate contracts with them and then if they didn’t work it out, he’d either let them walk or trade them for someone like Jerry Hairston or Casey Kotchman.
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by Nate Rose on Sep 26, 2009 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
My point is this:
Charlie’s outlook from 2007 was that the 2010 team would be without Bay, Nady, Wilson, & Sanchez. This has come to pass.
Charlie’s current post argues that this 2010 roster will be better than the one he foresaw in 2007. The only reason for thinking that is that he believes that the players NH has added are better than players DL would have added (right? Is there some other logic I’m missing?).
Well, we know whom NH has added – I summarized them above. Basically 2 ML players (Ohlie and Milledge) and a bunch of bums. So is the premise that DL was such a Midas-in-reverse that he would have let go of 4 legit-to-good ML players without getting at least that much in return? That every single trade would have been a complete failure? DL was a bad GM and a worse negotiator, but I’m not sure that’s the most likely outcome. All DL would need to do to field a better 2010 club than NH’s would be to get 2 legit ML players in exchange for 4 and sign a single decent FA. I don’t think that’s actually beyond the reach of the guy who made the Giles/Bay-Perez trade. He sucked, but if his focus was on Pittsburgh – and we know it wasn’t anywhere else -then he could probably have managed that.
If I have a larger point – and I really didn’t in the previous comment – it’s that Charlie, like many around here, likes what NH is doing in the long term, and thus believes that the short term must therefore be better than it appears. Unfortunately, the two are not in any way linked (indeed, they’re inversely linked – if NH wanted a better team in 2010, it would hurt us in 2012).
by JRoth95 on Sep 26, 2009 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I see what you’re saying. It’s actually very hard to know what DL would have done. He did have a pattern of trading guys who would be free agents at the deadline, but in this particular case, his planning beyond 2009 was so incredibly poor, even for him, that it’s hard to assume this is the case. It’s also hard to assume he would have gotten much at all, given some of the in-season trades he’d made before that; I definitely understand what you’re saying about the ML-level return NH has gotten, but my lack of faith in DL is such that I’m not sure he would have done better, given his lack of concern for 2010. There’s also the issue of depth, which certainly would have been much, much worse under DL, and THAT is really what causes disaster seasons. That’s part of what I was trying to get at above but the sequence of sentences may be a bit confusing. If a few players flop badly next year under NH, and they certainly will, he will at least have some credible options at AA and AAA. Littlefield probably wouldn’t have.
by Charlie on Sep 26, 2009 5:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think it’s pretty clear where DL was headed with this team. He had a subpar roster loaded with guys who were set to leave after 2009. You just have to look at the Morris trade to figure out what his strategy was: it was to stay employed. DL’s plan was to hold together the crappy team he’d assembled and try to fill in around it with whatever veterans he could latch onto. He was praying the team could either fluke its way to .500 in 2008 or 2009, or that he could make additions like Morris that would somehow help the team finish well, so he could spin it as better times being just around the corner. Fortunately, he finally ran into a CEO who wasn’t the simpleton that McClatchy was.
If the Pirates had been heading into the last two months of 2008 or 2009 with veterans eligible for free agency, there’s no way DL would’ve traded them. Just the opposite—he’d have been looking to add vets for the big push for .500, or at least the big push for a decent record the last two months so he could hold onto his job. It’s impossible to underestimate the amount of harm DL would have done to this franchise if he’d still been around the last two years. All he was doing was setting up spin games he could play to keep his job. Actual baseball considerations wouldn’t have entered into anything. Comparing NH and DL as GMs is like comparing bread and cigarette ashes as sources of nutrition.
by WTM on Sep 26, 2009 5:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
True enough
Although the real desperation came late, when he truly was in danger of being fired. His overall approach was band aid-ey and focused on cobbling together a mediocre ML team, but the aggressively counter-productive moves mostly came late, a la Morris. Some of the moves that are/were stupid were actually buy-low efforts in some ways parallel to NH’s endless parade of terrible but live-armed relievers. For instance, the Santiago deal: it was a bad move at the time, and looks abysmal now, but on paper it was an A pitcher in exchange for a veteran guy who might have helped a young staff – not exactly Meares or Derek Bell.
This isn’t meant as a defense of DL as such – just pointing out that his entire tenure didn’t consist of Morris deals.
by JRoth95 on Sep 27, 2009 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not all Morris deals
Hence —
try to fill in around it with whatever veterans he could latch onto
as I said above. Trading a good prospect for the likes of Santiago was the sort of move we’d have gotten. He wouldn’t have traded any veterans.
by WTM on Sep 27, 2009 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And yet he traded Giles
Show me all the valuable veterans he let go through FA. I need a list if you want me to buy this contention, which I frankly see as baseless.
I’m not saying he would have traded all 4, but your (and Charlie’s) contention seems to be that all 4 would have walked as FAs, and I don’t buy it. Prove me wrong.
by JRoth95 on Sep 27, 2009 11:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He traded Giles because he had to dump salary. Even then, he let Sanders and Stairs walk without even offering salary arbitration.
But you’re talking about two different time periods. The team was run very differently after the 2003 season. The limited attempts DL had made to build up the farm system went completely out the window after that.
And “prove me wrong” is an absurd thing to say. It’s not possible, just like it’s not possible for you to prove that you’re right. The fact is, you’re arguing that the guy who traded for Morris plus 100% of his contract, then drafted Moskos over Wieters, would have behaved as a logical, rational GM. That’s about as baseless an argument as there is.
by WTM on Sep 27, 2009 11:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No, actually you did it
Stairs and Sanders – that’s the list I was asking for. I mean, it’s not much, but it’s evidence for your position beyond saying over and over again that DL was the anti-GM, who, by definition, would only do bad things. But in Stairs and Sanders, you’ve given 2 examples of vets whose contracts he held onto as they expired and received zero in return.
That’s good enough for me to accept that it would have been at least 50-50 that he would have let all 4 valuable trade pieces walk without getting anything – not even draft picks – in return.
by JRoth95 on Sep 28, 2009 8:23 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Absolutely, on depth. The guys we’ve accumulated at AAA aren’t much at the moment, but they’re far better than the parade of clowns we saw last year. I agree that, while it’s impossible to know whether or not that April 1 roster under DL would have been better than NH’s, it’s a pretty safe bet that the pool of replacements would have been significantly worse.
Honestly, sometimes looking at DL’s behavior, it’s as if he simply didn’t put in the hours – he ignored the minors, he ignored LA, he did a shitty job with drafts, and he did a pretty bad job at the ML level. What the hell did he do all day?
by JRoth95 on Sep 27, 2009 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Official Prediction
Hey, I’ve been on the “this team stinks” bandwagon since when Charlie and WTM insisted that this team was better than half the teams we’ve seen during the streak. I suspect Charlie had me at least partly in mind when he composed the post (and if not, I apologize for being self-centered). So I may as well go on the record here with how I think 2010 will play out (bearing in mind, of course, that we have no idea what the offseason will hold).
If the Pirates start 2010 with this group of starters (including, possibly, Clement coming up to platoon with Jones at 1B), I expect them to play at a sub-.400 pace – that is, about 100-loss baseball. Improvements due to youth development and Doumit returning at least somewhat to form should make this a team that can score at least 3.5 runs/game, which should get them within sniffing distance of 60 wins (note that a team with 3.5 RS/game and 4.5 RA/game is a 61 win team). I expect aggregate performance from the starters to about match what we’ve seen the last 3 months; the big question mark is the bullpen, which is costing us something like half a run a game relative to a mediocre pen. If NH cobbles together a professional pen around a resurgent Hanrahan and Capps, then I think we could get above .400 – if nothing goes wrong. If Jones turns into a pumpkin, if Cedeno regresses, if Doumit misses 2 months again – if anything along those lines happens, then I think we could comfortably be on pace for 110 losses.
That said, I don’t see any way that the whole season plays out like that. Among Tabata, Alvarez, Lincoln, and Alderson, I expect at least one to reach the bigs and make an impact. Depending which one it is, that’s worth 5-10 wins. In other words, if none of the better players on the existing roster blow up (due to injury or general failure), I expect to see ~95 losses, plus or minus 5.
To do much better than that, either 2 of the MiLers need to make an impact or Milledge and/or someone else needs to take a big step forward (or a FA needs to really pan out). I think it would take only a couple things going wrong to do much worse than that: 110 losses is in reach if none of the MiLers step up.
by JRoth95 on Sep 26, 2009 3:57 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Lose 100 Games
Sure, why not?? Nutting will still laugh all the way to the bank as long as the corporate-sponsored giveaways continue to keep up attendance
by Butcher's Dog on Sep 26, 2009 10:18 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Wow.
That’s a fresh, new view of things that nobody’s thought of – thanks!
You can head on back to the PBC Blog now.
Free your ass and your mind will follow.
by cocktailsfor2 on Sep 28, 2009 9:21 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

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