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Schadenfreude: Your 2010 Astros

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Optimistic about 2010 Astros? Let me count the ways.

Oh boy.

I can't say I'm optimistic about the Astros making the playoffs. I'm not even sure they'll be a .500 team, and there'll be plenty of days when it seems this franchise will never be good again.

Speaking as someone who's pretty familiar with that feeling, I'd say it's one this guy should get used to.

Yes, Chris Johnson is going to struggle. So is Jason Castro and Tommy Manzella. They may be the three biggest flops in the history of baseball. Unfortunately, young players don't come with guarantees.

But the only way — and I mean the only way — to find out is to throw 'em out there and let 'em play. Not for a week or two weeks, but for a month or two, maybe longer.

Castro is a pretty good prospect, one of very few Houston has, even if he hasn't played a day of AAA baseball yet. But as a Pirates fan, I would fully endorse an Astros decision to play Chris Johnson and Tommy Manzella every day.

Not all young players are created equal, and good franchises don't give them playing time at random. If you're a fan of a team as indifferent to young talent as the Astros are, it's probably pretty easy to forget that. Tommy Manzella is a shortstop who will be 27 in April and has a .695 career minor league OPS. Chris Johnson is a 25-year-old third baseman with a .726 career minor league OPS. Playing these two regularly would be a little like the Pirates' decision to play Tike Redman every day for two years. It might work for a couple months, but in the long haul, it's a terrible decision, because minor league stats matter. The Astros will learn this the hard way. It's going to be awesome.

When things are going south in 2010, it's important to take a deep breath and count the things we have instead of the things we don't. I'll admit I'm biased because of my cozy relationship with Tal Smith, and because Ed Wade is as decent and as solid a man as you will ever meet.

Ed has Drayton's trust in a way none of his other general managers came close to having. Thanks to Ed, Drayton now preaches the gospel of player development and signing draft picks.

...Which is kind of like preaching the gospel of "showing up to games" and "bringing a bat to the plate." Caring about the draft is that important, and Houston is about to pay the bill on their previous, staggeringly dumb draft habits, like not signing any picks until the fifth round in 2007. That doesn't make Ed Wade a good general manager, and until Wade also starts preaching the gospel of "not filling the bench with crap veterans" and "not signing Brandon Lyon to a three-year conract," I'm not buying it.

Then again, I'm just a guy who doesn't have a cozy relationship with Tal Smith. And I don't really know what a solid, solid man Ed Wade is.

As for the new pitching coach, Brad Arnsberg, let's just say that the other sporting writers are going to be real jealous when they see us exchanging sweet nothings in Kissimmee.

Yes, this is in the actual article. I'll say this for the Pittsburgh newspaper writers--even the bad ones don't seem to have crushes on the people they're supposed to be covering. Even Paul Meyer wasn't this bad.

I'm optimistic about the Astros when I hear Tal Smith describe T.J. Steele as ``the best five-tool prospect we've had around here since (Cesar) Cedeno.''

T.J. Steele: 23 years old, no strike zone judgment, no real record of impressive hitting anywhere outside of Class A+ Lancaster, one of the biggest launching pads in the minors. He's a prospect, but getting all breathless about him at this stage is just sad.

I can't wait to see what he looks like in person. Same thing for Jonathon [sic] Gaston. And those — power arms: Ross Seaton, Jordan Lyles, Brad Dydalewicz, Chia-Jen Lo and Daniel Meszaros.

Jordan Lyles is a very good prospect. Seaton is fine--he had a terrible strikeout rate last year at Class A, but he was young for the level. Gaston: Currently 23, superficially impressive numbers at the aforementioned Lancaster launching pad, 164 strikeouts--he's a fringe prospect at best. Dydalewicz: dubious numbers at Class A Lexington, but he's a lefty and was young for the level, so he's a reasonable lottery-ticket prospect. Lo: 24 in October, control issues out of the 'pen in Class AA Corpus Christi; a marginal prospect. Meszaros: 25-year-old former 48th round pick, posted unspectacular numbers as a reliever at Corpus Christi.

That this guy is getting all excited about Jonathan Gaston and Chia-Jen Lo and Danny Meszaros demonstrates the poverty of the Astros' farm system better than I possibly could. Good luck the next few years, Houston.

There could be tough times ahead. The Astros might not be very good in 2010, but if they can succeed in changing the environment, in being competitive, in running the bases smartly, doing the little things, then 2010 will be a success.

Now I just feel sad for the Astros. And kind of sad for the Chronicle, frankly. What, they couldn't find a writer who could string together more than four baseball cliches in one sentence?

Hey, the Pirates aren't much of a team right now either. But at least I'm not delusional about it. And at least Pirates fans genuinely, finally, have something to look forward to. Not so for the Astros, who may well join the Pirates at the bottom of the division with a bloated veteran team that probably won't get better any time soon.

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I thoroughly appreciate the Avenue Q reference in the title

The glare of the spotlight is harsh, and the pressure that success breeds immense. We revere our heroes, but expect much. And criticism can come as easily as praise.

by glass0941 on Jan 2, 2010 3:13 PM EST reply actions  

In his defense Brad Arnsberg is a very handsome man.

I made most of my life decisions at a Foghat concert... I stand by them.

by Chester J Lampwick on Jan 2, 2010 4:02 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

As for the new pitching coach, Brad Arnsberg, let’s just say that the other sporting writers are going to be real jealous when they see us exchanging sweet nothings in Kissimmee.

The editor clearly removed the lines that came before that quote which read " Dear Penthouse, I always read the letters and never thought they were true until I began writing about the Houston Astros…

"Baseball is better than football. Think about it, eighty degrees, a cold beer and a short-sleeve shirt is better than 30 degrees, a hip flask and six layers of clothes under a lap blanket. Take your pick: suntan or frostbite. " - Thomas Boswell

by Ketcham Bruce on Jan 2, 2010 6:19 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I enjoyed

Reading that far more than I should have — just way too much joy gathered from reading about the Astros struggles and the coinciding delusions.

by Slizeezyc on Jan 2, 2010 4:08 PM EST reply actions  

HEY!

WAS IT OVER WHEN THE GERMAN BOMBED PEARL HARBOR?

by IAPiratesFan on Jan 2, 2010 9:04 PM EST up reply actions  

My 2009 prediction...

I have a file on my computer with all my preseason predictions dating back to 2004. I picked the Astros to finish 58-104 in 2009. Maybe in 2010?

As a side note, I picked the Pirates to finish 63-99. Off by 1/2 a game, not too shabby.

by IAPiratesFan on Jan 2, 2010 9:11 PM EST up reply actions  

Well done, mmmmm nice and schadenfreude-y.

by wickethewok on Jan 2, 2010 4:56 PM EST reply actions  

Wow

I’ve never read such scathing language from Charlie.

I'm getting hard on myself, sitting in my easy chair.

by stynyr on Jan 2, 2010 5:43 PM EST reply actions  

great stuff
There could be tough times ahead. The Astros might not be very good in 2010, but if they can succeed in changing the environment, in being competitive, in running the bases smartly, doing the little things, then 2010 will be a success.

So let me get this straight: one of the four things they are looking forward to doing as a “success” next season is “running the bases smartly”? Aim low, Astros. Aim so low that even if you fail, no one will notice. It’s like the guy can’t decide if they are going to suck or be good.

As for Steele, isn’t one of the tools supposed to be power? And another one speed? He hasn’t displayed either of those in any real amount, at least according to his stats.

by poorboywilly on Jan 2, 2010 6:45 PM EST reply actions  

I'm thinking

I’ll ask Shawn Chacon what he thinks of the solid, decent Ed Wade.

by bucdaddy on Jan 2, 2010 7:47 PM EST reply actions  

The Astros will be the worst team in the MLB in 2010 despite having a couple of my favorite fantasy players, such as the Magic Wandy.

by Adam Reynolds on Jan 2, 2010 9:05 PM EST reply actions  

Ugh....

I have a file on my computer with all my preseason predictions dating back to 2004. I picked the Astros to finish 58-104 in 2009. Maybe in 2010?

As a side note, I picked the Pirates to finish 63-99 in 09. Off by 1/2 a game, not too shabby. I picked them to finish 78-84 in 2008 and 88-74 in 2007. I guess I’m just getting more realistic?

by IAPiratesFan on Jan 2, 2010 9:12 PM EST up reply actions  

As it stands right now for 2010, I’d probably project Astros to win in the low 60s, Nationals in the mid 60s, and Pirates in the high 60s to low 70s. Those are the three lowest NL teams, although the Padres would be in the same range as the Bucs.

by Adam Reynolds on Jan 2, 2010 9:42 PM EST up reply actions  

As an Astros fan, I love this

The fact that someone can read one article from Little Dickie Justice and realize how retarded he is makes me laugh.

by SATexan on Jan 2, 2010 11:27 PM EST reply actions  

Thanks for not taking it personally. :) I had to leave for a long car trip right after posting this, and after I left I found myself wondering, “Is there some context here I’m missing?” Apparently there isn’t.

by Charlie Wilmoth on Jan 3, 2010 5:04 AM EST up reply actions  

I thought bad journalism was limited to the PPG

Why are these suckers getting paid money to write this slop.

Then again, I guess it gives us something to do every day, when we dissect their articles.

by ryebr3ad on Jan 3, 2010 10:21 AM EST up reply actions  

The Astros

… were where we were three years ago, and I feel bad for their fans who must support this awful FO. It’s like a McClatchy/DL clone over there, but only with more money to spend and a better track record.

I have met DL, and he is a stand up guy, very personable and friendly, but that doesn’t (and did not) make him a good GM. I’d much rather understand NH than drool over Ed Wade.

by Maxwell.C on Jan 3, 2010 4:41 AM EST via mobile reply actions  

What does Justice mean

with the sweet nothings comment and the envy it will inspire in his competition? If you can tell me, I’d like to know.

I read this post yesterday and decided to read the link today. Richard Justice has a strong reputation thanks mostly to ESPN, but that column/blog is embarassingly poor. I don’t care mind you.

Good day.

by Uncle Nate on Jan 3, 2010 8:14 AM EST reply actions  

And yet

  We still manage to finish behind these guys every year. Everyone always talks about the Yankees and Red Sox, but maybe the Astros are a better example of what’s wrong with baseball.

  If you haven’t, be sure to read the comments for the number of “Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?” references.

by Zadoras on Jan 3, 2010 11:25 AM EST reply actions  

It is always stunning to me how many people don’t know that line.

by matskralc on Jan 3, 2010 11:30 AM EST up reply actions  

Time passes. I wish it wasn’t, but its getting kind of old.

p.s. Karen Allen was hot

by ol Pete on Jan 4, 2010 9:12 AM EST up reply actions  

ditto

Whatever happened to her anyway? I’m afraid to Google pictures for fear many of my teenhood memories will be ruined forever.

by bucdaddy on Jan 4, 2010 10:27 AM EST up reply actions  

Oh hell, I couldn't resist

and I am pleased to report she looks pretty good for her age. It does not appear (thankfully!) that she has fallen in with the Botoxed-and-facelifted-to-death crowd. She looks about like what you’d expect her to look if you added 30 years to her “Animal House” face. And you know what? At my age, I can live with that.

by bucdaddy on Jan 4, 2010 10:31 AM EST up reply actions  

Pretty much.

She had a fairly prominent role in the most recent Indiana Jones movie, and acquitted herself well, though the movie as a whole was pretty poor.

by Vlad on Jan 4, 2010 10:49 AM EST up reply actions  

I vaguely

recall her showing up in “Crystal Skull” but I have (thankfully) managed to erase most of that movie from my memory.

I’m figuring most women above 50 would resent this term but in the couple photos of her close to today that I saw, she looks mighty cute. There’s no other word that works.

Hell, what I guess I’m trying to say with all this is: I’d do her.

by bucdaddy on Jan 4, 2010 10:57 AM EST up reply actions  

Although I consider anyone who hasn't seen Animal House an uncultured human being

You probably shouldn’t just assume that everyone that reads your column is going to have that foremost in their mind. Prefacing it with “As Belushi says in Animal House…”

by MarkInDallas on Jan 3, 2010 2:05 PM EST up reply actions  

That line

See, Bulushi’s line is so ridiculous that, regardless of whether or not someone has seen the movie, it should be assumed to be a joke. Nobody, in reality, should be that stupid. Although, judging by some of the comments here by Astro fans, Justice’s readers may really believe that he is that stupid.

by uneasy rider on Jan 4, 2010 8:27 AM EST up reply actions  

Yoiks

“Animal House” was released in 1978. People who saw it when they were 18 are now approaching 50. Anyone who is 40 or younger almost certainly never saw it in a theater.

In another year, “AH” will have been released as close to World War II as it was to today.

The Pirates’ last winning season was closer to the release of “AH” than it was to today.

Hey, this is a baseball blog, after all.

by bucdaddy on Jan 4, 2010 10:36 AM EST up reply actions  

I was also, ummm, "released" in 1978

And I know that line. Anyone who’s been to college, or likes things that are funny, should know that line.

by biggyv on Jan 4, 2010 10:59 AM EST up reply actions  

or

anyone that’s been to a pirates game where they’re down going into the bottom of the ninth (which is fairly often) and they play that sequence.

by johnnycuff on Jan 4, 2010 11:06 AM EST up reply actions  

If for no other reason...

…I’d expect Pirates fans to know that line because they were regularly playing the relevant clip on the scoreboard when down in the 9th as recently as the first couple of seasons in PNC Park.

They might not have known what movie it came from, but at least the phrase itself should’ve rung a few bells.

by Vlad on Jan 4, 2010 12:50 PM EST up reply actions  

Charlie really puts the Freude in his Schadenfreude.

by JRoth95 on Jan 3, 2010 7:32 PM EST reply actions  

I'll be happy...

if we don’t have to face Mike Hampton anymore.

(We don’t do we? Please say we don’t!)

by BlindSquirrel on Jan 4, 2010 3:01 AM EST reply actions  

a little off topic....

but does anyone know what the dust up was all about on the PG blog that made DK go to full moderation? i looked back through the comments on there and nothing seemed any worse than normal so i assume the offending posts were removed.

by McGreal on Jan 4, 2010 1:28 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

Dunno

Maybe someone posted a comment without having an avatar? That seems to be a hanging offense over there.

by WstCstBucco on Jan 4, 2010 2:19 PM EST up reply actions  

Is this different from whatever changes were made a few weeks ago? He talked about that at the time – general sense that the comments had become useless, and that he’d let them fester (far) too long.

by JRoth95 on Jan 4, 2010 3:14 PM EST up reply actions  

apparently something went down sunday night.

and unless some avatar attacks became personal (and i’m not dismissing that possibility), it was apparently something above and beyond the usual condemnation of FO apologists. DK had a pretty stern statement in reference to the moderation becoming necessary.

by McGreal on Jan 4, 2010 3:37 PM EST up reply actions  

Their comments are usually terrible and ridiculous, so how much worse could it have gotten that they now need a baby-sitter?

by Adam Reynolds on Jan 4, 2010 3:36 PM EST up reply actions  

exactly what i was wondering...

was someone called a Nazi or a baby killer or something to that effect?

by McGreal on Jan 4, 2010 3:38 PM EST up reply actions  

I think someone must have posted...

An unsubstantiated attack on Bob Nutting pocketing millions. Or maybe someone misspelled “Seriously”?

by MarkInDallas on Jan 4, 2010 5:27 PM EST up reply actions  

I assumed MarkInDallas brought up WAR again, which is akin to being avatar-free on that board.

by biggyv on Jan 4, 2010 9:52 PM EST reply actions  

A name everybody is afraid to say

Why anybody say nothing about Marcos Cabral. Yes, his perform last year was at Lancaster, but he did it also in Hagerstown in 2007. I suppose he will start at SS in Corpus Christi this year, I am waiting for a superb year from him.

by rc1823 on Jan 25, 2010 8:47 PM EST reply actions  

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