Pirates, Octavio Dotel Reach Agreement

Could be very worthwhile depending on how much progress the Bucs make this year. If they’re in a position to be pretty good in 2011, that’s a nice option.

i wouldnt if they totally rip the mets a new one in the trade

Yes! Been waiting a while now for that move. Love the way the team is shaping up this year. 2010 much > than 2009. I was in HS when we won back to back to back div titles, it’s taken a while but NH and crew has the ship righted again. Van Slyke in ‘11 and I’ll move back to PGH hahaha.

I realize I know next to nothing, I’m gonna defer to the experts on this one.

Let’s assume the Mets are mildly desperate and NH is actually willing to let Doumit go while his perceived value is low, what can the Pirates actually expect in return.

First, is there actually any chance that NH packages a couple of guys together, like Doumit, Maholm, and the newly acquired Brandon Jones (It looks like, apart from needing a SP or two and a C, the Mets could use some OF depth). Is a package of 3 at all likely? If not, what about two, say Doumit and Maholm.

I’m gonna assume that my wildest dreams come true and we can move Doumit, a SP (Duke, Maholm etc.) and a OF (Brandon Moss, Brandon Jones). What would we expect in return?

Would a package of say Wilmer Flores, Jon Niese, and Juan Urbina be reasonable, or be too much, or too little? Would that even make sense or we would be better off asking for Niese, Havens, Kyle Allen, and Urbina. Do they have any players who are no longer considered propsects (I only looked at a prospect list) that they have no need for that would be useful to us? Is there anyway we could ask for Meija. It seems to me he is too young to be a centerpiece in a major trade coming back to us.

Just looking for thoughts/opinions.

my opinion why Doumit won’t be traded to NYMs: we’re a better team than them. why move backwards

I’m in the pessimist camp when it comes to the Pirates, and I’ll freely admit it. I’ll add on to that my opinion that automatically assuming someone who is a pessimist about the Pirates can’t possibly know anything about baseball and is just a crank, is the same as assuming that being an optimist means you must be drinking the koolaid and puttin on the nikes.

Anywho, I think that many people see too much silver lining in this deal. Dotel will be servicable at best, which in my opinion, is nothing to get excited about. That reflects the other moves made so far by the Pirates. Getting rid of players who were servicable for other players who are servicable in the name of saving the club money. Don’t get me wrong, if that saved money is put to good use down the road, then I’m all for it. I may be one of the few who feel this way, but having endured a record number of losing seasons, a few more really isn’t going to hurt. However, and I’m really only saying this because I’d like it on record somewhere that I said this despite many people telling me that I was wrong, the Pirates will lose between 95 and 100 games this year. I won’t respond to comments because I’m not going to be swayed in my thoughts on this. Don’t get me wrong, I want the Pirates to win, and I think that if all the stars align this club could compete for around only 85 losses, but that’s putting too much faith in everything going to plan perfectly. For all the talk of WAR and so forth (not in this thread, but in general this offseason), those numbers are only a projection and not all that great a sign of hope at that.

95 to 100 losses, mark this down.