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Royce Clayton To Portray Miguel Tejada In Moneyball Movie

I'm not finding a lot of Pirates-related stuff today, but I thought the news that Royce Clayton will play Miguel Tejada in the Moneyball movie was pretty funny:

Miguel Tejada, one of the Oakland players featured in the movie, was born and raised in the Dominican Republic. For the role of Tejada, the filmmakers cast Royce Clayton, a Burbank, Calif., native who grew up in Inglewood and speaks just enough Spanish to be dangerous ...

Then came the biggest challenge: How to play Tejada with the requisite authenticity. Clayton poured himself into the part, and spent several weeks cultivating a Spanish accent in an attempt to make the character believable.

Clayton, you might recall, is actually portrayed in the movie The Rookie, as one of the guys Jim Morris strikes out. But he isn't actually in it:

I didn’t know what was harder to believe, that scouts would make a pitcher throw in the pouring rain, or that the drenched pitcher could actually bring it at 98 while pushing off the muddy mound. Since when does a pitcher eschew warmup pitches, as Quaid does? Why does he always throw from the stretch? How come the cute and savvy son asks on the night of the callup, "What’s a Devil Ray?" And in the climactic scene, couldn’t they get Royce Clayton to play Royce Clayton? (What good is the power of Disney if the director can’t say, "Get me Royce Clayton!")

Jerry Crasnick writes in the article in the first link that Clayton was actually on the set.

Anyway, am I the only one who feels faintly embarrassed that a Moneyball movie is coming out? It was a great book, for sure, but the stuff in there is so 2003. The A's have had four straight losing seasons, and while a lot of the stuff Billy Beane believed has been proven right, his player-development ideas have been a lot more important, and he hasn't done well on that front - although, to be fair, he hasn't had good draft positions because he won all the time in the early part of the decade. His peers from the early part of the 2000s have mostly been replaced with people who are just as numbers-savvy as he is. The Moneyball era was a fun little historical moment, but it's over now, and the guy at the center of it is now struggling to do his job.

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its a nice story, nicely told

It deserves to be a movie, but my instinct is that it might be hard to hold the viewer, because of the subtleties involved that make for absorbing reading but not necessarily watching.

Still, even though it is “so 2003”, I’d pay to watch it given the context is properly laid out.

by BurgherKing on Nov 11, 2010 12:41 PM EST reply actions  

I get your point about Beane...

and moneyball but I wouldn’t say that the moneyball era is over. That little movement paved the way for the saber revolution that continues today. The only think that is over is the “edge” the A’s received for being the first (this may be the point you were making). Anyway, I get what you mean about being embarrassed. I keep thinking, even Brad Pitt can’t make this movie interesting for maintstream audiences can he? Will Billy Beane be aging backwards?

One last point, I think the A’s are on the verge of another nice stretch of winning so I would be surprised if we have nothing new to learn from Beane and his org.

by Slick1 on Nov 11, 2010 1:00 PM EST reply actions  

It's being written by Aaron Sorkin, right?

After turning the story of Facebook into such a good movie, I think he can turn “Moneyball” into a quality film.

by Kidspud on Nov 11, 2010 1:02 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

That's what I was thinking.

“Social Network” made a deposition fascinating.

So … who in “Moneyball” wanted to be an a**hole but didn’t know how? Beane was one who DID know how.

by bucdaddy on Nov 11, 2010 10:03 PM EST up reply actions  

I think the Social Network...

…has at least as much to do with Fincher as it does with Sorkin.

by Vlad on Nov 11, 2010 10:05 PM EST up reply actions  

I don’t think that Moneyball was so much about the stat based thinking as much as it about breaking the mold of there is only one way of thinking – AVG, RBI, HR. The stats he uses are old and outdated but the reason that the new stats evolved is because of increased knowledge and demand. IMO Beane is a great baseball mind, but misunderstood by the general public.

by bishopmp1 on Nov 11, 2010 1:17 PM EST reply actions  

I don’t think that Moneyball was so much about the stat based thinking as much as it about breaking the mold of there is only one way of thinking

Yeah, but how are we supposed to make a movie about that?

by Vlad on Nov 11, 2010 2:30 PM EST up reply actions  

i think

we are about to find out!

by BurgherKing on Nov 11, 2010 2:31 PM EST up reply actions  

Are you kidding?

It’s the non-action equivalent of the renegade cop telling his chief that the system has failed, but he’ll get the bad guy his way. “I’m drafting out of order? The whole freaking draft is out of order!”

Granted, Billy Beane never decked anybody (afaik), but the on-field activity passes for action, and there were certainly personalities (which can be exaggerated for dramatic effect) involved.

All you really need to do is to turn baseball traditionalists into the owner-lady from Major League and Beane into the manager-guy, and you’re basically there. The analytic core is the framework for the narrative, not the actual narrative. I anticipate about one scene of Beane at a whiteboard explaining OPS (or whatever) to someone, and a lot of dramatic meetings that don’t involve advanced stats except peripherally.

by JRoth95 on Nov 11, 2010 2:45 PM EST up reply actions  

Roger Staubach as a gay leftie

The “exaggerated for dramatic effect” made me think of this episode of Mayne Street in which Kenny and Adam Carolla audition for a Roger Staubach movie … in which Staubach is to be portrayed as a gay leftie who is afraid of the water…

http://search.espn.go.com/s/overlay/video?searchString=mayne street carolla&id=4661484&dims=6&start=0

by Fat Jimmy on Nov 11, 2010 4:12 PM EST up reply actions  

Al Pacino as Billy Beane!!!!
Granted, Billy Beane never decked anybody (afaik),

He reportedly came very close screaming at the top of his lungs and throwing a chair when his scouts didn’t draft who he wanted.

by Slick1 on Nov 11, 2010 4:16 PM EST up reply actions  

I heard the same thing

DL did it when he heard that one of his scouts drafted someone with talent.

by JRoth95 on Nov 11, 2010 5:32 PM EST up reply actions  

Adding to my 2011 to-do list

Watching “Moneyball: The Movie”

by BadAndy on Nov 11, 2010 1:51 PM EST reply actions  

I thought it sounded like a much more interesting movie...

…when it was going to be directed by Soderbergh and feature an animated Bill James popping up like the Great Gazoo to dispense pearls of wisdom.

by Vlad on Nov 11, 2010 2:28 PM EST reply actions  

Beane is overated

I read moneyball and found it a good, but not great read. I found the small stories much more interesting than the overall context of the book.

The A’s, like this years Giants, hit on several pitchers at one time, and rode that success. There is a lot of luck involved with that since pitchers are so fickle and so injury prone. I actually feel the A’s would have had the same success with or without their “moneyball” strategies, which are basically just stocking up on undervalued players. Other than the ability to find good pitching, Beane was over-rated.

by ballparkfranks on Nov 11, 2010 2:30 PM EST reply actions  

I've said more or less the same

I don’t doubt that his underlying methods gave him an advantage, but his biggest advantage was avoiding what happened to (frex) Wilson, Pulsipher, and Isringhausen. And he avoided that the same way I avoided getting hit by a truck on the highway yesterday: a bit of planning, and a bit of luck.

If any of his big 3 pitchers comes up lame in the minors or in his first year or two, Moneyball doesn’t get written. Period.

by JRoth95 on Nov 11, 2010 2:49 PM EST up reply actions  

Just to back that up

From ‘01 through ’04, the three missed a combined total of about 20 starts with the worst WAR showing 3.2, and the best 6.3. xFIPs in line with those outcomes (except Zito’s ‘03 and ’04, which were shading high, but still very useful), so you can’t credit Beane’s genius in assembling stellar defense to make interchangeable pitchers seem superior.

Take away some of those wins, and the As are no longer perennial winners, and the story is no longer so compelling (it would certainly get told, but not in a famous general interest book).

Of course a bad GM could screw up even a windfall of healthy SPs, so I’m not trying to erase credit. Luck’s the residue of planning and all that. But he was critically lucky.

by JRoth95 on Nov 11, 2010 3:27 PM EST up reply actions  

Another fun moment from the Moneyball production:

When they decided to have this guy:

(a guy who played football and basketball for his college team)
….be portrayed by this actor:

Let that sink in for a second. No wonder DePo refused to let them use his real name in the movie.

by Vlad on Nov 11, 2010 2:40 PM EST reply actions  

Er, crap.

Should’ve been “baseball”, not “basketball”.

by Vlad on Nov 11, 2010 4:42 PM EST up reply actions  

I was wondering

Seemed funny he’d play 2 sports, but not the one he works in.

by JRoth95 on Nov 11, 2010 5:32 PM EST up reply actions  

This casting decision really isn’t going to convince anyone that the people behind sabermetrics aren’t computer nerds who live in their parents’ basements.

by Kidspud on Nov 11, 2010 5:27 PM EST up reply actions  

Hear me out...

what if the Pirates sign Royce Clayton?? A movie star on our bench has to be more beneficial then Vasquez or Crosby.

by BuccoBrigade on Nov 11, 2010 2:58 PM EST reply actions  

Ummm....
The Moneyball era was a fun little historical moment, but it’s over now, and the guy at the center of it is now struggling to do his job.

The core elements of the Moneyball strategy is the norm today. The era has not come to an end. It’s common sense.

s.zielinski

by steve_z on Nov 11, 2010 3:54 PM EST reply actions  

agreed

perhaps the book itself didn’t change baseball, but the underlying principles sure did. it’s a symbol of the rise of advanced statistical analysis in evaluating baseball players. it’s not the sole reason for it, but it brought it to a wider audience and at the very least, it makes a hell of a more compelling movie than the bill james baseball abstract.

by johnnycuff on Nov 11, 2010 4:39 PM EST up reply actions  

Oh yeah. Sabermetrics has won. But it turns out that as a result, Beane is now merely an average GM – I can’t imagine he feels like he should have a movie made about him right now.

by Charlie Wilmoth on Nov 11, 2010 6:58 PM EST up reply actions  

:-)

everyone feels like they should have a movie made about them right now!

by BurgherKing on Nov 11, 2010 7:01 PM EST up reply actions  

Billy Beane...

…should never have directed that movie.

by Vlad on Nov 11, 2010 10:03 PM EST up reply actions  

So, what it's boiling down to

is My Dinner With Andre, but with bats and balls?

Free your ass and your mind will follow.

by cocktailsfor2 on Nov 11, 2010 5:54 PM EST reply actions  

I don’t get the points about Beane. The As are loaded with young talent again and ready to start another run soon. They have what real good young pitching looks like with Brett Anderson, Trevor Cahill, Gio Gonzales, etc. Wouldn’t be surprised to see them in playoffs next year.

by Adam Reynolds on Nov 11, 2010 6:08 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

Four straight losing seasons despite having a lot of talent to trade away, because their farm system was running on fumes for a long time, due in part to their drafting strategy. I like where they’re headed right now, although their current offense is pretty frightful.

by Charlie Wilmoth on Nov 11, 2010 9:19 PM EST up reply actions  

And while their young pitching is good...

…it’s not quite as good as the raw lines suggest. A big chunk of that low ERA comes from park effects and top-shelf defense.

by Vlad on Nov 11, 2010 10:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Maybe it’s just that 4 losing seasons doesn’t seem like much from my perspective.

by Adam Reynolds on Nov 11, 2010 11:32 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

I was gonna say that, but I didn’t. :)

by Charlie Wilmoth on Nov 12, 2010 1:22 AM EST up reply actions  

We'll find out that Billy Beane...

was actually killed when he tried to stop Tejada from taking Vitamin B12 shots in the clubhouse and he has been a ghost the entire movie!

by Slick1 on Nov 12, 2010 3:21 PM EST up reply actions  

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