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Clint Hurdle's Managerial Tendencies -- Ruh Roh (Part One)
The manager who manages least manages best. That's my view. If you don't share it, if you're an aficionado of smallball, what follows here won't bother you. Otherwise . . . well, the news isn't all bad.
I've been perusing the recently-published Bill James Handbook and its chapter on managers. That chapter could be subtitled, Things Not to Do Too Much. Most of the data chronicles managers' tendencies to overmanage, or at least that's how it seems from my perspective. If you survived Lloyd McClendon's frantic efforts, in his first couple years, to strategerize his way to victory, maybe you can empathize. Anyway, here's how Clint Hurdle has stacked up on the hyperactivity scale:
Sacrifice Attempts: Hurdle led the NL in sac attempts four times in his last five full seasons. As the Handbook sarcastically notes, Hurdle had to bunt a lot "because it is so difficult to score in Colorado."
Pitchouts: Hurdle led the NL in pitchouts in his last full year with 43. Prior to that, he used the pitchout with more or less average frequency. In his early years his totals were in the teens, then in the 20s for several years. This is the opposite of the trend. In fact, the Handbook shows a remarkably common pattern of longtime managers using the pitchout less and less often as their careers continued. Bobby Cox, Tony LaRussa, Lou Piniella, Jim Leyland (except for 2010 for some reason), Joe Maddon, Jerry Manuel, Joe Torre, Buck Showalter, Bruce Bochy and Dusty Baker all saw their pitchout usage drop dramatically, in most cases into the teens or single digits. Charlie Manuel pitched out only three times each in 2009-10. After watching McClendon (and in 2010, John Russell) frequently put their pitchers in 1-0 and 2-1 counts in situations where they were already in trouble, I'm convinced that pitchouts are almost always a bad idea. I'm also convinced that the drastic drop in usage of the tactic in the last few years is the result of managers getting feedback from their teams' statistical analysts telling them it's a bad idea.
Intentional walks: Hurdle led the NL once and had consistently high totals, topping 80 three times and ranging from 49 to 61 in his other full seasons. Totals in the 40s and 50s are common in the NL, where managers often walk the #8 hitter. Totals in the 60s typically lead the league. The book also gives the number of IBBs that led to good results, like an inning-ending DP, and IBBs that "bombed." Hurdle led the NL twice in bombs, once in good IBBs. Generally speaking, putting more runners on base in Coors Field strikes me as a very bad thing.
Stolen bases: (I had to look this up at bb-ref.) In his first four full years, Hurdle usually ordered a below average number of steals and his team was consistently below average, often well below, in success rate. This was almost certainly a product of his personnel. In 2007, he ordered an average number of steals and the success rate was above average, at 76%. In 2008, the Rockies led the NL in steals and had an outstanding success rate of 79%. This was entirely due to Willy Taveras and Kaz Matsui in 2007, and Taveras and Matt Holliday in 2008. So it appears Hurdle will let the guys run who show they can. This could be good news for Andrew McCutchen and Jose Tabata. Of course, McCutchen already has a green light, but maybe Hurdle will encourage him to use it more often.
Slow hooks and long outings: Hurdle led the NL in slow hooks for three straight years, 2004-06. In 2007-08 he was more or less average. His totals of long outings, though, were average-ish. The Handbook defines slow hooks partly in relation to how many runs the pitcher allows, so Coors may have had more to do with the totals than pitch counts. Another factor may have been Hurdle's bullpens, which were horrendous until 2006. Hurdle in most years had somewhat young rotations, with a lot of starters in their mid-20s. Several of the team's best young starters (Jason Jennings, Aaron Cook, Jeff Francis) ended up with arm problems, so there could be some cause for concern. This is one area where Neal Huntington's mythical tendency to tell the manager how to do everything might be useful.
Platooning: This was the one area I was most curious about. The Handbook gives the percentage of ABs in which the manager's hitters had the platoon advantage. Hurdle's percentages in most years were between 47% and 51%, except 2004 (57%) and 2005 (60%). Except for 2004-05, these figures are low; the norm is somewhere between the mid-50s and about 60, and some managers have been in the 70s at times. The figures vary widely, though, as they depend heavily on personnel. Switch-hitters play an especially big role. The top "platoon" managers in 2010 were Joe Girardi, who had three switch-hitting regulars; Jerry Manuel (four regulars, two of whom missed half the year); and Joe Maddon (one regular, one semi-regular, and . . . well, he just platooned a lot).
Because I think platooning is going to be key to the Pirates' efforts to get a decent amount of offense at 1B and RF, and maybe somewhat at catcher, I looked at each of Hurdle's seasons to see what sort of personnel he had and how he used them. That'll be Part Two.
This is a FanPost and does not necessarily reflect the views of the managing editor (Charlie) or SB Nation. FanPosts are written by Bucs Dugout readers.
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Good stuff
In the sense of well done. I’m more small-ball friendly than I think most regulars here, but I still find those first few stats alarming.
Hmm.
Thanks
Very good post. I’m hoping that he has learned with his time at Texas and will improve. Have you looked at TX this year and done any comparisons? A quick look shows TX as 5th in the AL in SB and 4th in CS and 2nd in SF.
Here is a link http://www.baseball-reference.com/teams/TEX/2010-batting.shtml
The line about NHs mythical powers is hilarious
Yinzers uber alles
Mixed bag
Washington bunts a lot. He’s led he AL twice in his four years, including 2010. He runs a lot, but he has the personnel for it. He doesn’t pitch out much, and after issuing a lot of IBBs his first two years, he dropped to 14 and 24 the last two years, and he seems to pick his spots well. He’s had a lot of high pitch counts, but Hurdle will be getting a very different message from NH than Washington is from Nolan Ryan.
He does run a lot in fact I would have guessed that TX runs the most. In 2009 they stole 8 bases on Veritek in 2 games as they swept the Sox. I’m hoping that improvement in pitch selection, base running, and positioning will off set the negatives in over managing. Off to read part 2.
Yinzers uber alles
This is how base stealing should be done
Not specific to Hurdle or Washington, just a general thought on base stealing. Rudimentary scouting and advanced analysis ought to tell us when a pitcher/catcher combo is ripe to be stolen on. Or even if one (pitcher/catcher) is so deficient at holding/catching runners. There should probably be games at a time when teams don’t attempt a steal, but others where teams attempt six or seven (or two or three if your OBP is like the Pirates’ (rimshot)). And out of those attempts you should be nailing all or very nearly all.
It’s also why players should know or learn how to steal, because you should have to be a burner to exploit the right matchup. But you need to be able to read a pitcher, understand what a pitcher might throw in what count, and get an efficient jump.
There seems to be a trend here...
I think alot of his overmanaging was an attempt to save his job, and he thought if he did more, it maybe helpful.
The glare of the spotlight is harsh, and the pressure that success breeds immense. We revere our heroes, but expect much. And criticism can come as easily as praise.
Home/Road splits
Does the Handbook have home/road splits for sacrifices, pitchouts, and IBBs? I’d be curious to see if his tendencies were different away from Coors.
On the IBBs
I would respectfully point out that for much of Hurdle’s tenure at Colorado, Barry Bonds played in the same division. Barry Bonds at the plate in Coors Field 8-10 games a year, not to mention 8-10 in that SF launching pad, might skew your numbers a bit, all by himself.
Not according to bb-ref
There was one year where the Giants (I didn’t specifically check Bonds) accounted for a large % (roughly 30%) of Hurdle’s IBBs, although even then his total was high. There was one other year when the Giants got slightly more (just 4-5) than the other divisional opponents. In all other years the Giants got a pretty typical share for a division opponent. In 2006, for instance, the Dodgers, D’backs and Nationals got significantly more IBBs per game from the Rocks than the Giants did.
Ya got me there.
Bonds in 2003 drew 25 BBs* from the Dbacks, 21 from the Padres, 18 from the Dodgers and just nine from the Rox. Given that he hit .500 against them and OPSed 1.464, looks like they learned their lesson, because in 2004 the Rox walked him 30 times. That still wasn’t tops in the division (Dodgers walked him 38, and Dbacks and Pads weren’t far behind at 27 each). Bonds didn’t play (much) in 2005. In 2006, the Dodgers walked him 17 times and the Rox 12.
So yeah, it doesn’t look at all like Hurdle’s numbers were skewed by a decision to walk Bonds at every opportunity, or something like that. It was just a thought I threw out with (obviously) no research to back it up.
*—total, not just intentional
Yeoman's work, WTM.
Alas, now you’ve given Smizik’s minions more ammunition for bitching before the season even starts.
Apart from that, do you think Hurdle has “learned his lesson” regarding some of these tendencies?
Free your ass and your mind will follow.
Luckily, the Schmiziots aren’t exactly stat-friendly.
It looked to me like Hurdle was getting better in some areas (platooning, SBs, IBBs) and worse in others (bunting, pitchouts). Rockies’ teams have always posed a peculiar set of problems, though.
"Rockies’ teams have always posed a peculiar set of problems, though."
IAWTC. I think it clearly influenced CH’s managing style.
It’ll be interesting to see what he does with our pitching staff.
Free your ass and your mind will follow.
by cocktailsfor2 on Nov 19, 2010 11:16 AM EST up reply actions
Any word on how fiery he is? Clearly the most important managerial tendency.
Jason
The Hanging Curve
Sac bunts
As much as I hate them the one thing that gives me hope for Hurdle is that he seemed to find the awful hitter in the lineup and make him do it all the time. Here are the players who had 10+ sac bunt seasons under Hurdle. OPS+ for that season in parenthesis.
2004 Royce Clayton 24 (80)
2006 Clint Barmes 19 (47)
2006 Cory Sullivan 19 (78)
2008 Willy Taveras 15 (55)
2005 Aaron Miles 10 (65)
2005 Cory Sullivan 10 (83)
The only Pirate position player to have a 10+ sac bunt season is Jack Wilson. He did it 4 times!
The only Pirate position player to have a 10+ sac bunt season is Jack Wilson. He did it 4 times!
Pfft. Jay Bell makes him look like a piker. Five straight years with 10+, including an incredible 39 in 1990.
















