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Rule 5 Possibilities, 2010

It's that time of year again. Teams have finalized their rosters prior to the Rule 5 draft, and as is always the case, a number of intriguing options are available for selection. As partial compensation for our ML-worst record in 2010, we receive the draft's first overall pick, and with it a good opportunity to swipe an attractive talent for a relatively low price. The following players are the ones who seem to me like the best available possibilities. Don't like my selections? You're in luck! Tim at Pirates Prospects put together his own nice two-part list (hitters here, pitchers there ), so go crazy!

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Ryan Adams, Baltimore Orioles, 2B/3B. Born 4/21/87, bats R, throws R, 6'0", 195 lbs. Baltimore selected Adams, a high school shortstop from Louisiana, in the second round of the 2006 draft. He was regarded at the time as a middle infielder with more ability on the offensive side of the game than the defensive, and that assessment has proven correct in the pros. He has the ability to hit for a solid average, in spite of some contact issues, as well as gap power with the potential for more down the road. In 2010, he hit .298/.365/.464 with class AA Bowie of the Eastern League, and was honored with a spot on their All-Star team. Defensively, Adams is more experienced at second base than at any other position, though his track record there is spotty at best. Throwing accuracy has been a particular issue, with bouts of wildness leading to errors in bunches. He has enough arm strength to handle third base or the outfield, and might be better suited for either of those positions, but the question is whether his bat will be sufficient for the requirements of either spot. Reviews from his time in the AFL this fall are mixed: He hit only .265/.320/.353 in 68 AB, but looked good enough doing it to earn a spot on the league's Rising Stars team. He might be best-suited right now in a role similar to the one Delwyn Young played for us last year, where he serves as a PH and a backup at 2B, 3B, and RF, with the potential to develop into any of the above once we have more time to assess him and provide instruction.

 *Video of Adams from this year, via YouTube.

Wilfredo Boscan, Texas Rangers, SP. Born 10/26/89, bats R, throws R, 6'2", 187 lbs. Boscan was unheralded as a prospect in Venezuela, somewhat of an afterthought in the same Latin signing class as high-profile young pitchers like Geuris Grullon and Wilmer Font. He signed with the Rangers for only $15,000. Nevertheless, he has emerged as arguably the best SP prospect available in this year's Rule 5 draft. He has three solid pitches: a low-90s fastball, a changeup that's deadly against LHBs, and a decent curve. He keeps the ball down and gets ground balls, he's got a fairly advanced approach for a pitcher of his age, and he's regarded as an intelligent and coachable player with a strong work ethic. Boscan's raw numbers last year were not as impressive as those of some other pitchers on this list: a 4.67 ERA, 1.40 WHIP, and 130 strikeouts in 163 2/3 innings pitched. He was a 20-year-old pitching in the California League, however, a difficult assignment that he handled quite well under the circumstances. His full-season numbers are also inflated somewhat by a late-season collapse (6.18 ERA in August and September), probably a consequence of workload-related fatigue, given his nearly 60-inning increase from 2009 to 2010. Even given Boscan's level of polish, it's unlikely that he'd be able to play a signficant and constructive role in the majors in 2011. If a team were willing to carry him, however, he'd be a good candidate to become a mid-rotation starter a few years down the road.

 *Video of Boscan from 2009, via YouTube.

Pedro Beato, Baltimore Orioles, RP. Born 10/27/86, bats R, throws R, 6'6", 230 lbs. Beato, a native of the Dominican Republic, came to the United States at the age of 12 and went to high school in Brooklyn, where he excelled as a pitcher. He underwent Tommy John surgery in April of 2004, which greatly reduced his standing in the 2005 draft, as teams were leery of the recent injury. The Mets selected him in the 17th round, and when he emerged from his recovery throwing as well as ever, he became one of the highest-profile draft-and-follow players of his class. He and the Mets were unable to come to an agreement, and shortly thereafter the Orioles took him in the sandwich round and gave him a million dollar signing bonus. He started out well, even pitching in the 2007 Futures Game, but experienced a mysterious loss of velocity (probably mechanically-related) that dampened his standing as a prospect. His velocity is mostly back this season, and a move to the pen has re-energized his career. Beato throws a low-to-mid-90s fastball, a big curve, and an inconsistent change, and also experiments with various other pitches. At AA Bowie this year, he made the Eastern League's All-Star team on the strength of a 2.11 ERA, a 1.14 WHIP, and 50 strikeouts in 59 2/3 innings. He pitched a large number of multi-inning appearances and remained effective in spite of the extra work, giving him added tactical value as a potential bullpen option.

 *Video of Beato from this year, via YouTube (relevant footage starts at 3:56).

Rafael Cova, San Francisco Giants, RP. Born 3/5/82, bats R, throws R, 6'2", 175 lbs. Picking Cova is, without a doubt, the screwiest idea I'm proposing in this entire piece, which is saying something considering some of the other mutts further down. (I'm looking at you, Mr. Miller.) As you may have noticed, Cova was 28 years old last season, putting him well outside the usual demographic range of prospect-dom. He's also on his fourth MLB organization, which doesn't even count his two stints pitching in Mexico. He started out as the propterty of the Philles, was cut without reaching the US, signed with the Mets, lasted in their system until a ghastly season in the FSL in 2006, pitched in Tijuana for a season, signed with the Cubs, surrendered a home run to the only batter he faced while wearing their uniform, got shipped out on loan and spent two more years in Mexico, signed on with the Giants in 2009, and then miraculously started gunning down hitters, which he's been doing ever since. He spent all of 2010 with the Giants' affiliate at Richmond, where he ridiculously overmatched AA competition, putting up a 2.35 ERA, a 1.17 WHIP, and 68 strikeouts in only 57 1/3 innings, on his way to an Eastern League All-Star appearance. Even more impressively, he only allowed 31 hits and three home runs. His main weapon is a fastball that sits in the mid 90s, and can peak at 98 or 99. He also throws a curve and a change, though I'm unsure of the merits of either, insofar as the only description of Cova's secondary pitches I could locate came from Cova himself, in an interview with a Spanish-language newspaper. Command remains something of a concern, with 5.7 walks per nine innings last year, as well as a wild pitch every eight innings. Still, that kind of velocity can't be taught or faked - either you have it, or you don't. It would be very interesting to bring him and his power arm to camp and see what he can do.

*Alleged video of Cova from 2009, via YouTube. I must confess that I can't actually identify Cova as any of the pitchers in this incredibly confusing clip, which must be seen to be believed. He was playing at that point for Magallanes (the team with the Brewers-blue helmets) at that point, if that helps. Special guest appearances by Argenis Diaz , ex-Bucs farmhand Jean Machi , and some guy in a suit giving a sign language interpretation of the incredibly excited Spanish-language audio track.

Ramon Delgado, St. Louis Cardinals, RP. Born 9/3/86, bats R, throws R, 6'3", 195 lbs. As a young man, Delgado was nicknamed "Chapo" (Spanish for "Shorty") until a late growth spurt. The Cardinals originally selected him in the 41st round of the 2007 draft, out of Pima Community College in Arizona, the same school as Donald Veal. Delgado threw two no-hitters at Pima (the first two in school history) and earned a scholarship to the University of New Mexico for 2008, but he was not particularly highly regarded as a prospect at the time, and he's had to earn his prospect status the hard way. His fastball is pedestrian, sitting a hair below 90, but he commands it effectively and compliments it with his best pitch, a very good slider that's about 10 MPH slower. He also throws the occasional changeup. Delgado spent most of 2010 in A+, where he made the FSL All-Star team, before a late-season promotion to AA. He struck out more than a batter an inning at both levels, posting an aggregate 1.34 ERA and 0.90 WHIP in 67 innings. The Cardinals selected him as one of their representatives in the AFL this fall, and he has continued to pitch well there, posting a 3.65 ERA and 1.22 WHIP for the Surprise Rafters. Delgado probably is not a future star, but fastball/slider relievers with good command can be surprisingly effective on the ML level, and he might be a useful piece in the bullpen as early as next year.

 *Video of Delgado from this year, via YouTube. Not sure exactly what's going on with the music...

Brad Emaus, Toronto Blue Jays, 3B/2B. Born 3/28/86, bats R, throws R, 6'0", 200 lbs. Emaus was drafted by the Braves out of high school in the 18th round in 2004, but he elected to attend Tulane rather than turn pro at that time. He enjoyed a fairly distinguished college career, including an All-Star turn in the wood bat Cape Cod league between his sophomore and junior seasons, but a sprained ankle his junior year damaged his standing with scouts, and he wasn't picked in 2007 until the 11th round, by the Blue Jays. He played both second and third base in college, and has continued to alternate between the two positions as a pro. He isn't a perfect fit at either one, with a little less range than you'd like at second and a little less power than you'd like at third, but is certainly tolerable at both. Offensively, Emaus has gap power and excellent command of the strike zone, with only eight more strikeouts than walks in his professional career - Baseball America has rated him as having the best plate discipline of any hitter in Toronto's system for several years. He's got below-average speed, but is a smart baserunner, with a 37/9 SB/CS in his pro career. In 2010, Emaus started the year by hitting .272/.402/.434 as a level repeater with the AA Eastern League's New Hampshire Fisher Cats, and then after a quick promotion to AAA, hit .298/.395/.495 for the Las Vegas 51s. That latter batting line is inflated somewhat by a hitter-friendly home park, but is still a very respectable performance within context. Most recently, he has played winter ball in the DWL, hitting .264/.346/.472 in 72 at-bats. Emaus would be an interesting option as a backup at 2B and 3B, with the potential to develop into a starter down the line (if need be). He is not, however, a particularly high-upside choice.

 *Video of Emaus from 2009, via Vimeo.

Tyler Henley, St. Louis Cardinals, RF. Born 6/10/85, bats L, throws L, 5'10", 200 lbs. A high school football star in Texas, Henley emerged as a top outfield talent in his sophomore year of college. As he was both a draft-eligible sophomore and a Rice player, questions about his signability led him to drop all the way to the 50th round in the draft. He was unable to come to terms with the Astros, but after a strong season in the Cape Cod league, he seemed well-positioned for a big draft payday in 2007. Unfortunately for Henley, he struggled all season, and wasn't taken until the eighth round by the Cardinals, with whom he signed for an above-slot $150k. Henley lacks one outstanding tool, but there are no real holes in his profile, either. He's a good contact hitter with gap power and average speed. Defensively, he has above-average range for a corner outfielder, and has some experience at all three positions, though he's spent most of his time as a pro in right. Last year was a lost season for him, as he suffered a major elbow injury and underwent Tommy John surgery on July 20. As such, he would likely be out until at least late July next year, and would then need to remain on the 25-man roster for a significant portion of 2012 for us to fully clear his Rule 5 roster time requirements. Even with this limitation, I think that his overall package of skills is strong enough for him to warrant consideration in this year's Rule 5 draft.

 *Video of Henley from 2009, via YouTube.

Jairo Heredia, New York Yankees, SP. Born 10/8/89, bats R, throws R, 6'1", 190 lbs. Heredia was a notable Latin signee for the Yankees in 2006, earning a $285,000 bonus, the fourth largest they awarded that year. He dominated in the GCL as a 17-year-old, and was nearly as successful in full-season ball a year later in spite of shoulder soreness that prematurely ended his season. He missed all but ten starts' worth of 2009 with an undisclosed medical issue, and then delivered a strong performance at Charleston this year after struggling in an attempted promotion to Tampa. At this point health and stamina have to be something of a concern, but he was at an age-appropriate level, and his core skills are still there. His fastball has good natural sink and sits in the low 90s, with the potential for a bit more as his slender frame fills out. He complements it with a curve and a changeup, both of which are good for a pitcher of his youth, but still inconsistent. He has the poise and confidence of a veteran, keeps the ball down, and is a strike-throwing machine (to the point that he might actually benefit from wasting a few more pitches). Heredia is a promising young arm, but nowhere near ready for the majors, and if we wanted to try and carry him all season, we'd likely need to engage in some Veal-esque shenanigans. I almost hate to even mention him as a possibility, given the risk to his career that a premature promotion would entail, but he's got the talent to be very useful down the road as long as a lost season doesn't utterly wreck him.

 *No video of Heredia, unfortunately.

Adam Miller, Cleveland Indians, DL/RP. Born 11/26/84, bats R, throws R, 6'4", 200 lbs. I have to admit that even writing about Miller creeps me out a little bit. A few years ago, he was one of the very best prospects in all of baseball. High school star from Texas, upper 90s fastball that sometimes hit triple digits, upper 80s atomic slider, above-average coachability and pitchability. He made BA's Top 100 prospect list five times... which is in and of itself a sign of trouble. I went to my bookshelf and got down my 2007 BA guide just for this entry, and looking back on his entry feels like stepping on a grave: "His delivery is free and easy, so there's no reason his health should be an issue down the road...It's only a matter of time before Miller makes an impact in the major leagues." Things didn't turn out that way. He hasn't thrown a pitch in an official game in two and a half years. Elbow problems slowed his ascent, but the real killer blow to his career was a damaged flexor tendon on the middle finger of his throwing arm. Numerous attempts have been made to address the problem, including four different surgeries, two of which involved transplanting tendons from other, less-important parts of his body. Anyway, word is that he's finally healthy, and that he was throwing in the mid-90s in instructional league work this fall. He probably isn't going to pitch again until spring training, and we aren't allowed to look at his medical file until we actually draft him. Can you pick a guy based on a hope, a rumor, and a three-year-old memory? I guess we'll find out.

 *Video of Miller from 2007, via YouTube. Please note that he's warming up, not actually pitching. There are a fair number of clips of Miller on the internet, but trying to find a good one is like looking for bigfoot.

Paulo Orlando, Kansas City Royals, CF. Born 11/1/85, bats R, throws R, 6'3", 185 lbs. Brazil isn't traditionally a hotbed of baseball talent, but the White Sox have done some work in the region, and in 2005 they signed Orlando. Chicago then traded him to the tools-hungry Royals in 2008, in exchange for Horacio Ramirez. In the beginning, Orlando was much more familiar with track and field than baseball, but he put his speed to good use on the basepaths (averaging 25 SB per year, at a 74% success rate) and in the field. He is still raw in some areas of the game, but experienced significant offensive progress in 2010. Orlando's .305/.366/.480 batting line with Class AA NW Arkansas earned him a spot on the Texas League's All-Star team. Perhaps the most significant area of improvement for Orlando was his command of the strike zone. He had 24 walks and 62 strikeouts in 469 plate appearances, which may not sound too impressive... until you consider his 18/143 ratio as a rookie in 2006, or even his 15/80 last year with Wilmington. Orlando likely is not ready for a substantial role in the majors at this point, and hiding him on the bench would run the risk of retarding his development. Still, he could offer reasonable tactical value as a pinch runner and defensive replacement, and his ultimate potential is intriguing.

*Blink-and-you'll-miss-it video of Orlando, via YouTube. He's the guy in the dark blue jersey wearing #16 - he takes a swing at 1:10, and I think that might also be him making a catch in RF at 0:16.

Wynn Pelzer, Baltimore Orioles, SP/RP. Born 6/23/86, bats R, throws R, 6'1", 205 lbs. The hard thrower with questionable command is always a popular breed in Rule 5 season, and Pelzer is one of the more intriguing members of that group available in this year's draft. He played his college ball at South Carolina, working mainly out of the pen, and the lack of exposure pushed him down draft boards until he was selected by the Padres in the 9th round. He also fractured his kneecap when he was hit by a line drive in the Cape Cod League that fall, which didn't help his leverage. The Padres had Pelzer work primarily as a starter until this season, when he was traded to the Orioles for Miguel Tejada and made a full-time transition to the pen. He seems like a much better fit in the latter role. His fastballs (both two- and four-seam) play up in shorter appearances, sometimes crossing the mid-90s, his slider gives him an out pitch, and his underdeveloped change is less of a handicap. Pelzer also has a reliever's mentality: tough, competitive, and confrontational. At one point in 2008, he was hit in the head by a line drive, but he insisted on taking his regular turn in the rotation five days later anyway. His main weakness at this point is mechanical consistency, accounting for his largely pedestrian numbers. In 2010, he posted a 4.25 ERA, 1.65 WHIP, and 103 strikeouts in 114 1/3 innings for two different AA clubs, San Antonio and Bowie. He walked five batters per nine innings, and that wildness has continued during his time in the AFL, where he carried an ugly 9/12 K/BB in 11 innings. Pelzer is definitely a work in progress, but he has significant upside if he can harness it.

As a side note, I have no idea what the Orioles are doing with their roster. As you may have noticed, Pelzer is the third Oriole on this list (along with Adams and Beato), even though Baltimore has several empty spots on their 40-man roster, and there are several other notionally draftable talents in their system who were also left unprotected.

*Video of Pelzer from this year, via Flickr.

Brant RustichNew York Mets, RP. Born 1/23/85, bats R, throws R, 6'6", 230 lbs.  Rustich was a highly regarded recruit at UCLA, but his college performances never lived up to his natural stuff, in part as a result of ongoing problems with a tendon in his finger (which earned him a medical redshirt in 2006). In spite of an ERA in the low 6's, he parlayed a mid-90s fastball, power slider, and workable changeup into a second-round payday with the Mets. As a pro, he continued to be bitten by the injury bug. In 2008 alone, he was sidelined with a stress fracture in the humerus of his throwing arm, a small tear in his labrum, and a damaged UCL in his elbow. The stress fracture recurred in 2009, and this year, for variety, he missed almost the entire season with pain, weakness, and coldness (?!?) in his throwing arm. The eventual diagnosis was thoracic outlet syndrome , for which he underwent surgery a few weeks ago. If Rustich's response is to believed , the operation was a success. Rustich is fragile, and has never pitched above A+, but he still has the pure stuff that made him a prospect in the first place, and he could be a power arm from the bullpen almost immediately, as long as he isn't decapitated in a tragic fungo accident or trampled by a herd of wildebeast.

 *Video of Rustich from 2009, via YouTube. It gets slightly less jiggly later on.

Zach Simons, Detroit Tigers, RP. Born 5/23/85, bats L, throws R, 6'3", 200 lbs. Simons grew up in the tiny town of Glenns Ferry, Idaho (population: 1,611), and as a result largely escaped notice as a high school player. He was drafted by Oakland in the 38th round in 2003, but did not sign, preferring to attend Everett Community College in nearby Washington state. There, he added more than 20 pounds of muscle, increasing his fastball by about five MPH and emerging as a top draft prospect in 2005. The Rockies chose him with the seventh pick of the second round. He washed out as a starting pitcher in the low minors, but a move to the bullpen in 2007 produced good results, with Simons's K rate nearly doubling in that role. He was traded to the Tigers for Jason Grilli in early 2008, and after he continued to show progress as a reliever, he was added to the Tigers' 40-man roster that offseason. He seemed to fall from the team's favor shortly thereafter for reasons that are unclear to me, however, and in spite of a strong 2009 campaign at AA, he was removed from Detroit's roster last December and then assigned to repeat that level this year. He needs a fresh start in a new organization. Simons's main pitches are a four-seam fastball that sits in the low 90s and can touch 95, as well as a spike curve that's effective when thrown for strikes but sometimes difficult for him to command (as spike curves often are). He also has worked with a changeup and a cut fastball, though printed opinions differ as to the quality of either pitch. Over the last two seasons, Simons has twice made the Eastern League All-Star team, putting up a 2.59 ERA and 1.12 WHIP at that level over that time span, with 104 strikeouts in 104 1/3 innings. He's also pitched 35 innings at AAA, with a 3.09 ERA, 1.26 WHIP, and 31 Ks. Simons has some flyball tendencies, and is traditionally a slow starter. Nevertheless, he could probably be a useful bullpen component right now, without any further development, and he has a reasonable amount of upside for a relief pitcher. Plus, he's a Zach, and we can always use more of those.

 *Video of Simons from 2008, via Vimeo.

Kyle Waldrop, Minnesota Twins, RP. Born 10/27/85, bats R, throws R, 6'4", 205 lbs. Waldrop is a study in succeeding while defying expectations. In his high school days, he was a top two-way player from Tennessee, with power at first base and a nice blend of polish and upside on the mound. The Minnesota Twins made him a first round pick in 2004 and bought him out of a Vanderbilt commitment, asking him to focus solely on pitching. At that time, he was seen as a projectable arm, with athleticism, a killer spike curve, and a good feel for the changeup. As a pro, Waldrop advanced steadily through the Twins' system, but did not dominate with the Ks or develop any additional heat. He ran into a wall with a promotion to AA in 2007, as finesse pitchers often do, and then missed the entire 2008 season following shoulder surgery. His career seemed to be at a crossroads. When he came back, he moved to the bullpen, a role in which he has experienced great success over the last two seasons, albeit some of the least flashy success possible. In 2010, for example, he put up a 2.57 ERA and a 1.24 WHIP in 87 2/3 innings with AAA Rochester, often in multi-inning stints. That line came with only 60 strikeouts, however, as he used command and that big curve to keep the ball in the zone, on the ground, and in the park. Pitching to contact may not be sexy, but the way Waldrop does it, it's effective. He was a minor league free agent this offseason, but because he already re-signed with the Twins, he can be selected just like any other eligible minor leaguer. A defense as brutal as ours may not be the best fit for his style of play, but he's capable of being a useful bullpen piece right out of the box, and it would not be much of a surprise to see him selected.

 *Video of Waldrop from 2007, via Google Video. It's probably too old to be of much value. I don't know. Click on it if you feel like it, and don't if you don't.

[Please also note that several popular candidates from last year  are available again this cycle. Aneury Rodriguez successfully made the transition to AAA, although his stuff isn't quite what it was last year, and he looks a bit more like a back-of-the-rotation guy this time around. Danny Dorn is still a righty-masher in an organization with no need for one. George Kontos was inconsistent in his return, as pitchers coming back from TJ often are, but showed that he still has the stuff that made him a prospect in the first place. And so forth...]

Anyhow, those are the guys who struck my fancy this year. There are doubtless many others who would make fine selections. Who are your favorites?

This is a FanPost and does not necessarily reflect the views of the managing editor (Charlie) or SB Nation. FanPosts are written by Bucs Dugout readers.

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Miller time

I like Adam Miller granted its based on hope but it would be a great pick if this kid returned to form for the buccos, i think its worth the risk.

Nobody calls Han Solo a bitch!

by mears_13 on Nov 22, 2010 11:56 PM EST reply actions  

Beato

I think I like Beato from this list for upside. I’ve seen Eamus a few times, he is OK. He strikes me as someome who could have some value as a utility player w/ a bat as you say.

Great post.

Yinzers uber alles

by BostonBuc on Nov 23, 2010 12:03 AM EST reply actions  

While I'm at it:

A couple of fun guys, albeit not ones that I can in good confidence recommend:

*Craig Heyer – check the BB and HR rates.
*Jaime Pedroza – scrappy baseball rat 2B/SS, but tiny
*Tommy Pham – breakout CF with a degenerative visual disorder

by Vlad on Nov 23, 2010 12:10 AM EST reply actions  

KLaw mentioned Heyer yesterday

and I thought he’d be an intriguing pick, giving the current dearth of LHP in the pen.

Redeemed.

by escroll on Nov 23, 2010 10:13 AM EST up reply actions  

Orioles

currently have 35 players on the 40 man, but left two of the more interesting players for this year’s draft unprotected. I guess they know the players better than I do.

by ElDuce on Nov 23, 2010 12:12 AM EST reply actions  

I believe they aren’t eligible to be drafted in the rule 5.

by pittpanther on Nov 23, 2010 12:31 AM EST up reply actions  

All the Baltimore players on my list...

…are eligible, to the best of my knowledge.

by Vlad on Nov 23, 2010 12:34 AM EST up reply actions  

Confusion on my part, I thought he meant from last years rule 4 draft when he said unprotected.

by pittpanther on Nov 23, 2010 1:06 PM EST up reply actions  

Wilfredo Boscan and Adam Miller ...

seem the most interesting to me.

I had forgotten what happened to Miller until the post. I knew he had had some injury problems.

But it’s probably been a year since I saw his name.

by Bernie6 on Nov 23, 2010 12:29 AM EST reply actions  

Brad Emaus

I suspect he’ll get attention as well.

by Bernie6 on Nov 23, 2010 12:36 AM EST reply actions  

Thank you Vlad!

Emaus’ stat looks like mlb-ready, I’d like to pick a mlb-ready candidate up then see if other guys deserve to put on 25 man list and we can choose in the 2nd round.

by taiwania on Nov 23, 2010 12:47 AM EST up reply actions  

+1

It's a good day to be a Pirate

by Bucko on Nov 23, 2010 12:53 AM EST up reply actions  

I lol'd.

…then Rec’d. Funny.

Free your ass and your mind will follow.

by cocktailsfor2 on Nov 23, 2010 10:17 AM EST up reply actions  

eh...

It seemed sort of lifeless and dragging to me….

Why don't you knock it off with them negative vibes?!

by Trogluddite on Nov 23, 2010 9:35 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Will Inman

How badly he hurt? I wonder to know why he is lost on both yours and Tim’s list.

by taiwania on Nov 23, 2010 1:00 AM EST reply actions  

Ulnar nerve transposition, hasn't pitched in five months.

The injury certainly didn’t help, but I wouldn’t have been all that big on Inman without it. His fastball’s both straight and not particularly fast, and I don’t see him as having much of a ceiling.

by Vlad on Nov 23, 2010 1:16 AM EST up reply actions  

this is awesome!

i havent heard of a bunch of these guys, and would likely not have otherwise!

I’d take Emaus over Adams, given their similar profiles…

Also, Kiker, whats going on with him?

While we are talking of injured Adams and wacky ideas, what about Loewen? (Aside: any chance the Bucs try to convert Tim Alderson to a position player?)

It seems to me that Aneury Rodriguez might well be the safest pick, with Zach Simons and Ramon Delgado being high probability picks for the FO…

by BurgherKing on Nov 23, 2010 1:47 AM EST reply actions  

Kiker's totally lost right now.

Decreased velocity, marginal command/control. I wouldn’t even know where to start trying to fix him.

Loewen took a step forward, but I still think he’s a long shot for the majors as a hitter.

by Vlad on Nov 23, 2010 2:07 AM EST up reply actions  

Any pitcher. . .

. . .Except Miller. It’s a shame, but just too much risk. Waldrop and Beato sound promising, or maybe Cova just to see that video again.

And then there’s Heredia. The Pirates probably shouldn’t draft him if he’s just going to sit, but I think the Yanks are sloppy with their prospects, letting some go without having a handle on what they can really do.

Great job, Vlad.

by NY Jim on Nov 23, 2010 4:11 AM EST reply actions  

If anyone cares about minor league rule 5 draft...

I’d like to recommend Chih-Hsien Chiang, who comes from my country has some decent pop. The plate discipline is poor but not so awful as Latimore. Chiang is still young enough to be a prospect especially the thin OF depth there is.

by taiwania on Nov 23, 2010 5:37 AM EST reply actions  

Sorry I just know Chinag isn’t in the 40 man roster, but have no idea if he is in the 38 man AAA reserve list or the 37 man AA reserve list.

by taiwania on Nov 23, 2010 7:05 AM EST up reply actions  

Don't think the minor league rosters are finalized yet.

Holding your own in AA at 22 isn’t too shabby. A pity he didn’t stick at 2B.

by Vlad on Nov 23, 2010 9:28 AM EST up reply actions  

For such a bizarre choice, you make a good case for Cova. He’s about the most interesting of these pitchers to me. Dunno how you dug him up. I hope everybody appreciates that these are guys who have to be identified from not being on a list. Amazing job.

Boscan and Beato are probably the other pitchers who’d interest me. Boscan’s numbers seem good for the Cal Lg., but Bakersfield isn’t one of the real launching pads out there. For some reason he had a wildly better K/BB ratio on the road than at home, but he didn’t otherwise have a H/R split, so that’s probably pretty good. Beato got a heck of a lot better as a reliever, but didn’t quite dominate to the degree I’d want to see with a guy his age. (Of course, if he had, the O’s would have protected him.) I saw Beato pitch this year, but I can’t seem to dredge up any memories of it.

I’d prefer to see them take a middle infielder who can hit. I’m really sick of the no-bat, washed-up vets who’ve been filling the Pirates’ UT roles and none of the real IF prospects are ready, unless you count Friday. Emaus and Adams seem like great choices. Between the two, Emaus is an easy choice for me due to superior plate discipline.

by WTM on Nov 23, 2010 8:03 AM EST reply actions  

I stumbled across Cova...

…while researching a different oddball reliever from the Eastern League: Jose Diaz, a minor league FA from Baltimore’s system (by way of the Dodgers and Rangers). He’s 26, he’s had four arm surgeries, and he weighs 325 pounds… but he’s got a good slider and an upper 90s FB that sometimes crosses into triple digits. More on him here.

by Vlad on Nov 23, 2010 9:25 AM EST up reply actions  

I’ve seen Diaz a couple times. He’s so badly overweight that I couldn’t see him lasting long.

by WTM on Nov 23, 2010 9:55 AM EST up reply actions  

It's a shame.

He actively resists any attempt to help him get into better shape. That’s why the Rangers cut him loose.

by Vlad on Nov 23, 2010 10:16 AM EST up reply actions  

“…asleep in their beds, with visions of Jimmy Andersons, dancing through their heads…”

Redeemed.

by escroll on Nov 23, 2010 10:21 AM EST up reply actions  

Diaz makes Jimmy look like Teke.

by WTM on Nov 23, 2010 10:47 AM EST up reply actions  

He's huge.

You remember Walter Young? Imagine him as a pitcher.

by Vlad on Nov 23, 2010 10:55 AM EST up reply actions  

I was expecting bigger,

cause it looks like they still managed to find a pair of pants and a jersey to fit him. (I’m thinking it was “Ball Four” where somebody yells at a fat guy, “One man to a pair of pants out there!”)

I dunno … plus-size oddly-shaped guys can succeed as hitters (Kruk, Gwynn, Puckett), why not as pitchers? Or do the mechanics just get all thrown off by having to bring that much weight around on every delivery? This guy should be throwing 110 mph.

by bucdaddy on Nov 23, 2010 11:13 AM EST up reply actions  

they still managed to find a pair of pants and a jersey to fit him

Actually, they didn’t. The article Vlad linked said his uni had to be special ordered.

Maybe it’s the angle of the photo, but by the time he was in Bowie late last year he looked much bigger than that. This isn’t just a guy who drinks too much beer like Kruk, he’s way beyond that.

by WTM on Nov 23, 2010 11:29 AM EST up reply actions  

Yikes.

So … can he hit, a little? Cause they could covert him to a catcher and cut way down on wild pitches and passed balls. He’s got the arm.

OTOH, that didn’t work so well with Ernie Lombardi.

by bucdaddy on Nov 23, 2010 11:34 AM EST up reply actions  

he could definately block the plate

not so sure the ump can see the strike zone too well

by white angus on Nov 23, 2010 2:11 PM EST up reply actions  

I almost watched a Keys game when I visited my girlfriend in Frederick. Damn, I could have seen this fatty.

Thank you Ned Colletti.

by ryebr3ad on Nov 23, 2010 11:23 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

lol

Vlad: Walter Young could R-A-K-E!

He had to…he wasn’t legging out infield hits!

by insane_sanity on Nov 23, 2010 11:52 AM EST up reply actions  

Walter Young hit the longest home run I've ever seen.

Drilled one down the line at a Hickory Crawdads game. I swear it’s still going.

by Vlad on Nov 23, 2010 11:55 AM EST up reply actions  

Triple?

I once saw Walter hit a triple in Columbia SC. OK, the OF’er did run into the wall, but is still counted as a triple.

by BrianO' on Nov 23, 2010 10:05 PM EST up reply actions  

This year's middle infield crop looked pretty shaky to me.

If you want an offensively-minded middle infielder who can actually play the middle infield, you could do worse than Matt Lawson.

by Vlad on Nov 23, 2010 10:15 AM EST up reply actions  

I will also admit...

…to having a certain amount of curiosity about Karexon Sanchez, if you want a guy with a little more SS experience.

by Vlad on Nov 23, 2010 11:01 AM EST up reply actions  

sanchez has very nice OBP, doesnt he?

kinda rare for a young latino to be that patient.

by white angus on Nov 23, 2010 11:15 AM EST up reply actions  

what do they say...

you can’t WALK off the island…so hit what you can reach

by insane_sanity on Nov 23, 2010 11:36 AM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, he's interesting.

I didn’t want to give him a full writeup because I can’t vouch for his defense one way or the other, but he’s got a nice broad base of offensive skills. Looks like there’s just enough pop in his bat that the walks might stick around as he moves up the chain.

by Vlad on Nov 23, 2010 12:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Vlad, great work, as usual. I’m a little surprised there’s no mention of Tim Collins, though. Yea, he’s just a little guy, but the strikeout numbers are impressive.

by Dorn on Nov 23, 2010 8:27 AM EST reply actions  

not available

Dorn, Tim Collins is not on the list as he is not Rule 5 eligible.

He was 17 when he signed, and thus has not been in ball for the required 5 years.

by insane_sanity on Nov 23, 2010 8:48 AM EST up reply actions  

Sorry. I thought I saw him on a list on another site. Thanks for clarifying.

by Dorn on Nov 23, 2010 9:00 AM EST up reply actions  

If Collins were eligible, he'd definitely be on the list.

Little man can pitch.

Don’t feel bad about targeting an ineligible guy – I did the same thing last year with Cole Rohrbough.

by Vlad on Nov 23, 2010 9:17 AM EST up reply actions  

As long as NH doesn't do it

I’m sorry, Mr. Huntington, he’s not actually eligible.

Oops, ok, sorry, instead, let’s go wi-

No backsies, Mr. Huntington. NEXT!

by JRoth95 on Nov 23, 2010 10:00 AM EST up reply actions  

The Ghost of Larry Doughty

I’m having nightmares that we’ll learn that Owens, Moreno and Marte really are eligible.

by WTM on Nov 23, 2010 10:06 AM EST up reply actions  

i live in richmond and saw Cova "throw" a few times

dude has serious heat. yeah, hes old, but legit heat. but hes a relief pitcher which is arguably the easiest role to fill on a team.

by white angus on Nov 23, 2010 9:01 AM EST reply actions  

What'd you think of his secondary stuff?

Does he have a breaking ball he can throw for strikes, or is it just a chase pitch?

by Vlad on Nov 23, 2010 9:17 AM EST up reply actions  

i only saw him a few times, he was the closer here for the squirrels

sitting along the 3rd base line, i saw almost all heaters and maybe 2 hard sliders. our stadium doesnt have a radar gun. the hitters did look overmatched however.

by white angus on Nov 23, 2010 9:21 AM EST up reply actions  

Good to know.

Thanks for the info – there’s no substitute for direct observation.

by Vlad on Nov 23, 2010 9:29 AM EST up reply actions  

Cova is a bad pick...

I have the chance to see Rafael Cova pitch in Venezuela, and believe me, Cova would be a disaster in the majors, in fact he´s having problems in the venezuelan league as we speak, he´s great one day and a total mess the following day, his fastball is up to 93-94, with a decent slider, but he´s having problems with the location of his pitches.

By the way, neither Covaor Machi are in the video, but our old friend Jose Castillo is the 2B of the home team.

by El Pirata on Nov 27, 2010 2:42 PM EST up reply actions  

With an eye on the turnstiles,

they should take Ryan Adams. Lots of people would show up at the ballpark just to see if Mandy Moore was there too. Look at the Alyssa Milano buzz the Penguins are benefitting from …

What?

by bucdaddy on Nov 23, 2010 9:55 AM EST reply actions  

Just don't

play a Bryan Adams song when he comes to the plate, or he’ll pitch a fit and go to the clubhouse.

by JRoth95 on Nov 23, 2010 10:00 AM EST up reply actions  

Plus we could just have him

play a few SkyBlasts and seriously cut down on the entertainment budget.

by Garrett122 on Nov 23, 2010 10:33 AM EST up reply actions  

Well, since he’s no longer with the Cardinals., so I guess he’s a free agent.

by emd2k3 on Nov 26, 2010 11:34 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

With the 1-1 pick they should draft the guy with the most upside even if the chances of realizing that upside is very small (because the cost is so low). There is probably a fair chance that one or more of these players will still be available for the 31st pick (don’t many teams pass because they don’t want to use a roster spot?). Not knowing much, Miller seems like the guy for 1-1 under this philosophy (factoring into this is that the Pirates have more RP options in the upper minors than they had when they drafted Meek).

by TNbucs on Nov 23, 2010 10:15 AM EST reply actions  

I don't know if this is necessarily the case

kinda depends on the rest of the offseason. If the bucs actually managed to sign one of these FA’s that they are supposedly ‘offering big’ on, they might not want to try stashing someone who can’t make any meaningful contribution this year. It’s always a give-and-take with the Rule 5 draft.

Redeemed.

by escroll on Nov 23, 2010 10:19 AM EST up reply actions  

The problem with that is...

As hard as it is to stash one guy for the whole season, it would be near impossible to keep 2 guys on the roster for the entire season.

by goodtymes31 on Nov 23, 2010 2:50 PM EST up reply actions  

You would have to use spring training to eliminate 1, unless you struck gold and got a guy that could contribute right away (kind of like the Padres with Everth Cabrera).

by TNbucs on Nov 23, 2010 2:53 PM EST up reply actions  

this is kind of a neat idea

Also, I could totally see a guy like Emaus sticking the whole year easily…

So, if one of the other arms is still available, and there seem to be a few that could stick pretty easily (Aneury Rodriguez, e.g., though not with a high upside)

by BurgherKing on Nov 23, 2010 2:55 PM EST up reply actions  

didnt finish the sentence

if one of the other arms is available in the next round, go right ahead and pick him!

by BurgherKing on Nov 23, 2010 2:55 PM EST up reply actions  

Miller

He could be hidden on the DL for half the season because of his injuries.

Emaus could actually contribute as a utility guy. He would be a dramatic improvement over someone like Diaz.

I’d say try to identify guys you like and if you pick two, great.

by Bernie6 on Nov 23, 2010 3:13 PM EST up reply actions  

if Emaus could backup SS, as well as 2B and 3B, then maybe

i dont see a guy like him sticking around. one bad month and hes gone.

by white angus on Nov 23, 2010 3:31 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm not sure he needs to play SS

I think he can fill the LaRoche position or DY position.

Emaus doesn’t have to be the back-up ss, in my opinion.

by Bernie6 on Nov 23, 2010 4:51 PM EST up reply actions  

Because ...

he can play 2b, he can play 3b. He probably can play outfield.

And it certainly looks like he’s a better hitter than either DY or LaRoche.

He looks like a much better bench option than what the Pirates had last year (and cheaper).

by Bernie6 on Nov 23, 2010 9:25 PM EST up reply actions  

of the 5 bench players

you usually have 1 backup SS, 1 C, 1 OF, 1 IF, 1 DH/1B

its perfectly fine to have Emaus as the IF

by BurgherKing on Nov 23, 2010 9:58 PM EST up reply actions  

There are probably 2 OF’s usually, 1 MI, 1 CI. But considering Doumit, Bowker and Pearce can all be a 5th OF if needed then your projection looks accurate for us.

by Mr. E on Nov 24, 2010 3:54 AM EST up reply actions  

miller

he would still need to spend part of 2012… i can see the upside, but i dont see him making it…

which is why i d prefer he be a 2nd pick…

Emaus, as you say, can likely stick fairly well…

by BurgherKing on Nov 23, 2010 3:31 PM EST up reply actions  

Agreed

But I think he needs about two months on the active roster.

One of the months could be September.

The other could be early in the season when you don’t need him as much.

I could see the Bucs trying to work the system like with Veal.

by Bernie6 on Nov 23, 2010 3:46 PM EST up reply actions  

Vlad - yeoman's work here, as is your usual.

Thank you.

.

Free your ass and your mind will follow.

by cocktailsfor2 on Nov 23, 2010 10:20 AM EST reply actions   3 recs

My pleasure.

Nothing beats an appreciative audience.

by Vlad on Nov 23, 2010 10:38 AM EST up reply actions  

Gotta watch out for those pitchforks…they’re sharp.

by Thunder on Nov 24, 2010 1:58 AM EST up reply actions  

How does one find

black and white video of enthused clapping such as this????

Why don't you knock it off with them negative vibes?!

by Trogluddite on Nov 23, 2010 9:37 PM EST up reply actions  

Often, it's a matter of hours upon hours

of labor intensive searching.

.

…but mostly just googling.

Free your ass and your mind will follow.

by cocktailsfor2 on Nov 24, 2010 12:53 AM EST up reply actions  

BTW,

Citizen Kane.

Free your ass and your mind will follow.

by cocktailsfor2 on Nov 24, 2010 12:56 AM EST up reply actions  

cocktails

Rec’d for constant ability to find some sort of image/jpeg/whatever that is hilarious.

by Tuckshop25 on Nov 23, 2010 11:37 PM EST up reply actions  

thankee, sir.

.
I try my best.

Free your ass and your mind will follow.

by cocktailsfor2 on Nov 24, 2010 12:55 AM EST up reply actions  

ditto what Tuckshop25 said

but really dig how your tip-o-the-hat is the mayor of ‘beautiful Mount Rose, Minnesota.’

Paul.

"I choose to gamble with my life

Twice the risk, four times the prize

Nothing knocks me over"

by lighthouse913 on Nov 24, 2010 3:22 AM EST up reply actions  

damn

Absolutely screwed up the pic/movie ref. Booze. Oh well.

"I choose to gamble with my life

Twice the risk, four times the prize

Nothing knocks me over"

by lighthouse913 on Nov 24, 2010 3:49 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

POWER

Vlad: did you come across any POWER bats (AAA lvl, preferably)?

We are SO starved for power bats at corner positions, is there anything available worth taking a look at? Would a Brandon Waring stick in Pittsburgh’s RF?

Our organization is just SO starved for power, would it be worth while taking someone with some nice pop?

(Note: I do like the Adams kid.)

by insane_sanity on Nov 23, 2010 11:39 AM EST reply actions  

A lot of the power bats in this year's class...

…are guys with serious contact issues. Waring has ML power, for example, but he’d probably hit near the Mendoza line against ML competition, since he strikes out so much (179 Ks last year). Another guy in that same general mold is Brendan Katin from Milwaukee.

I mentioned Danny Dorn in the footnotes – he has pretty good power, and could probably make it as a platoon OF/1B.

by Vlad on Nov 23, 2010 12:02 PM EST up reply actions  

I like Beato or Delgado with our first round pick because I believe they have the best chance of sticking on the roster, in the pen, for the entire season.

I wouldn’t mind seeing the Pirates take a flyer on Miller if he is around in the second round.

by Kev S on Nov 23, 2010 11:39 AM EST reply actions  

agreed

Kev: I agree on Miller, especially because he’ll be on the DL for a large amount of the time it won’t “feel” like having 2 Rule 5 guys that long.

by insane_sanity on Nov 23, 2010 11:51 AM EST up reply actions  

Excellent job, Vlad

I’m surprised more people in the comments here aren’t excited about Wynn Pelzer. He’s easily the best choice among the pitchers, in my mind – the best combination of current talent level and long-term upside. The guys with more upside are serious risks (Miller, Kiker). Similarly, there are only a few guys who are likely to help as much as Pelzer in the short-term (Ottavino, Waldrop, A. Rodriguez, Simons), and none of them hold a candle to Pelzer in terms of upside. He’s got his warts (command, mostly), but I think he’s a clear standout in this class.

On the hitters’ side, I like Brad Emaus for the same reason – best combination of present value and long-term upside. As WTM mentions above, he actually fits the Pirates’ 2011 roster pretty well as a RHH who can play 2B and 3B (though he’s not a good fielder), and he’s ready to step into a utility role like that right now. He doesn’t have tremendous upside, but he could provide good value for many years as a bat-first super-utility guy, and there aren’t really a lot of high upside hitters available (as usual).

by epoc on Nov 23, 2010 12:25 PM EST reply actions  

I would say the risks are minimal though. First, the cost is only $50,000, right? The more serious risk is the lost opportunity to draft someone else. But most Rule 5 players don’t stick anyway so that risk is also minimal. Unlike the June draft or the FA market, I think this is when you can go after high reward even if the chances of realizing that reward are slim. On the other hand, because a guy like Miller would appear to have such upside, it makes you wonder why he wasn’t protected for one more chance.

by TNbucs on Nov 23, 2010 1:23 PM EST up reply actions  

true

Picking a guy who’s not likely to pan out isn’t really a huge risk in the rule 5. I meant more that the high upside guys like Miller are very unlikely to reach their potential. I think the opportunity cost of not grabbing someone like Pelzer, who has a fairly high ceiling in his own right and also fills a need on the 2011 club (though that’s debatable), outweighs the pure potential of Miller.

by epoc on Nov 23, 2010 2:40 PM EST up reply actions  

Plus a $25K rebate if his original team takes him back.

by Mr. E on Nov 24, 2010 3:57 AM EST up reply actions  

Miller and Emaus

I think NH will gamble on the guy with the most upside.

That seems like Miller to me. He really was an elite prospect, as Vlad notes.

It’s also promising that his velocity is solid after being injured for so long.

And yes, you can hide him on the DL for a good part of the year.

Vlad also brought up the idea of two picks this year. I’m not sure he’ll fall to the Pirates. But I’d grab Emaus. His numbers are decent. He looks like he can be an average MLB second baseman if he can field well enough.

I’d try to trade for an early pick, grab him and see if he can back up 2b, 3b, OF.

by Bernie6 on Nov 23, 2010 1:42 PM EST reply actions  

The Indians watched MIller in instructional league and decided not to protect him, which seems like a red flag. On the other hand, Huntington must know Miller fairly well from his time in Cleveland. We’ll see.

Beato and Pelzer seem like good gambles. I’ve seen Emaus play and he didn’t really jump out at me. But, with that plate discipline, he might be worth a shot.

by bolton on Nov 24, 2010 12:03 AM EST up reply actions  

Bolton

I think you raise a good point. The Indians’ decision is a red flag because it’s not like it’s a loaded team.

On the other hand, it may be a bet that nobody can keep someone with that injury record on the active roster all year.

I think you are right. NH knows him well. He’ll probably have a strong opinion on this one.

If he views him as too great a risk, I think you identify two good gambles.

Also, thanks for the first-hand report on Emaus. It looks like he hits a ton of doubles in the minors.

Any power that could develop?

by Bernie6 on Nov 24, 2010 12:07 AM EST up reply actions  

I think Emaus can hit for SOME power, but I didn’t see a budding Dan Uggla and he’s not a slick infielder. Maybe 13-to-15 home runs if he got 500 plate appearances. I watched Emaus for three games in 2009, so he might be a different player today. And take my first-hand observation for what it’s worth. Though I probably watch games closer than the average fan, I didn’t go to the park to focus on Brad Emaus.

by bolton on Nov 24, 2010 9:57 AM EST up reply actions  

I agree that it may be a red flag but at the same time the Indians must know the difficulty of keeping someone like Miller on the roster for 90 days in a season and they might expect everyone to be afraid of someone who hasn’t pitched much the last three years. Perhaps if the pirates were the 3rd or 4th pick they may have protected him because of Huntington’s knowledge of him, but since we can choose any of the unprotected players there is bound to be someone other than him that interests the pirates FO.

by Cainyoudigit on Nov 24, 2010 9:48 AM EST up reply actions  

Probably

one of the most under-used pictures in American society. Top 10 for sure

The glare of the spotlight is harsh, and the pressure that success breeds immense. We revere our heroes, but expect much. And criticism can come as easily as praise.

by glass0941 on Nov 28, 2010 7:02 PM EST up reply actions  

The sad part

You can look at the guys Vlad has listed and you could easily make the case that five to seven of them are better than guys on our 40-man roster. Example: Diaz.

by Bernie6 on Nov 23, 2010 3:16 PM EST reply actions  

its not sad, its also position correlation

other than sanchez, how many good SS’s are available?

by white angus on Nov 23, 2010 3:31 PM EST up reply actions  

Angus

I agree with your point.

But look at some of the garbage on the roster.

I don’t think the Pirates will get a good shortstop unless they trade for Hardy.

Otherwise, they’ll have to find someone who can be a back-up.

But there is lots of waste at catcher, infield and pitcher on the 40-man, I think.

Part of it is position scarcity.

But more of it is a bad roster.

by Bernie6 on Nov 23, 2010 3:48 PM EST up reply actions  

WTM

Originally, I typed 10 and then thought, “I’ll get hammered for that as an overstatement.” So I cut it back to five to seven.

But I think you could take 10 guys off the roster and really not feel you lost a good player.

by Bernie6 on Nov 23, 2010 4:54 PM EST up reply actions  

lets look at the current 40 man roster for the big spending RedSox, shall we...

lets see how much garbage or perceived garbage they have: saltalamachia, eric patterson, navarro, dlugach, cameron, mcdonald, nava… thats not including pitchers. every team has so called garbage on their roster, even the big market ones. do you also realize the big papi, mike cameron and jd drew collectively made pretty much exactly the same amount as the entire Pirates payroll? that point has nothing to do with my above statement, just thought it was interesting.

by white angus on Nov 23, 2010 9:29 PM EST up reply actions  

Salty and Patterson

Salty is probably the Sox starting catcher. I doubt they’d call him garbage.

Patterson is at least interesting, unlike Diaz, Martinez.

I don’t see as much trash here as I do on the Bucs.

by Bernie6 on Nov 23, 2010 9:31 PM EST up reply actions  

people in here call Doumit garbage

would you rather have him or Salty, if the salary were about the same that is? patterson is filler, pretty much what Emaus may end up one day.

by white angus on Nov 23, 2010 9:47 PM EST up reply actions  

I'll just respectfully disagree

Emaus hits a ton of doubles. Sickels likes him. Other scouts do as well.

That sounds like more than filler to me.

by Bernie6 on Nov 23, 2010 9:52 PM EST up reply actions  

would you bet on that?

im guessing hes being left unprotecting because of his defense. if thats the case, how far can the guy actually go?

by white angus on Nov 23, 2010 9:54 PM EST up reply actions  

Yes

I would make a friendly $1 bet that he can play defense well enough to be a utility guy and pinch hitter.

by Bernie6 on Nov 23, 2010 9:57 PM EST up reply actions  

That's all I can afford

Let me know if you want the friendly wager.

by Bernie6 on Nov 24, 2010 12:07 AM EST up reply actions  

im married

i have no idea what a dollar feels like, much less look like

by white angus on Nov 24, 2010 9:04 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I look forward to this post nearly as much as I look forward to Thanksgiving

And much like Thanksgiving dinner I also finish this post with a sense of satisfaction and a need for a nap.

http://bleedblackandgold.com/

by Say Hey Johnny Ray on Nov 23, 2010 3:34 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

As for any statement of substance...

I tend to favor the idea of drafting a higher upside arm (Pelzer, Cova, Miller or even Waldrop) and then bouncing back with a utility guy in round 2 if Emaus or Adams are available…seems a terribly logical course of action.

http://bleedblackandgold.com/

by Say Hey Johnny Ray on Nov 23, 2010 3:37 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree

The price is so low you have to draft the upside.

Then look later at a trade or second-round pick for a bullpen arm or a utility guy.

I think Emaus would be an upgrade over what DY provided last year.

He’d also be cheaper.

by Bernie6 on Nov 23, 2010 3:50 PM EST reply actions  

has anyone seen Emaus actually play?

youre liking a guy over DY simply because of his minor league stats? DY has stellar minor league numbers over Emaus, if youre going that route. Emaus would barely even get on the field in Pitt in 2011

by white angus on Nov 23, 2010 9:31 PM EST up reply actions  

Emaus

I based what I posted on scouting reports and statistics.

So no, I haven’t seen him play. But … lots of people like him.

DY had stellar statistics in incredibly hitter friendly parks.

He’s been pretty weak in MLB.

by Bernie6 on Nov 23, 2010 9:33 PM EST up reply actions  

theres only been a handful of actual successful rule5 players

like hamilton and santana leading the bunch. why is Emaus special? Meek had lots of potential, and it took experience to reach it, but what is Emaus missing? what will it take for Emaus to succeed at the next level? can the pirates help him with this? inquiring minds want to know.

by white angus on Nov 23, 2010 9:49 PM EST up reply actions  

Emaus

He probably won’t be more than a utility guy.

He certainly isn’t Josh Hamilton.

But his minor league statistics suggest he has power. He hits a ton of doubles. The scouting reports say he has good plate discipline.

The question is the glove. That’s the same reason Uggla was exposed.

I don’t think he has that ceiling.

In my opinion, he needs to show he can play 2b and 3b adequately and that he can come off the bench next year.

by Bernie6 on Nov 23, 2010 9:55 PM EST up reply actions  

thanks bernie

i agree for the most part; just playing devil’s advocate over here. since laroche is gone, i can see NH going after an Emaus. i can also see going after a pitcher and hiding him in the pen. ive checked around today about Emaus and the only real negative ive found is his glove, especially at 3B.

by white angus on Nov 23, 2010 10:00 PM EST up reply actions  

Angus

I figured. We have lots of people who stir things up here. It makes it interesting. I do it myself with Vlad sometimes.

I don’t see Emaus being the first pick. I think NH likes pitchers better. As you note, it’s easy to hide a guy like that in the pen (and on the DL).

But I do wonder if the Bucs could trade for another team’s pick and grab Emaus. I do see some upside at a weak organizational position.

Thanks for the banter and have a great Thanksgiving.

by Bernie6 on Nov 24, 2010 12:10 AM EST up reply actions  

ROBERTO CLEMENTE

is the most successful rule 5 player in the history. so all the buccos should have some more confident about rule 5 players.

by taiwania on Nov 23, 2010 9:55 PM EST up reply actions  

and how many years did it take clemente to make his mark?

in this day and age, you hardly get a full season before youre shipped off to AAAA land.

by white angus on Nov 23, 2010 9:58 PM EST up reply actions  

plate discipline

Emaus’ plate discipline is much better than DY’s. Even though it is just a number.

by taiwania on Nov 23, 2010 9:47 PM EST up reply actions  

thats true, emaus does have that

just trying to figure out why Toronto is not protecting him even though he only has slightly more than 3 years in the minors.

by white angus on Nov 23, 2010 9:51 PM EST up reply actions  

Hard to say.

The only position where he’s really equipped to play every day is 3B, and he’s not going to start over Bautista (or move Bautista to the OF and force Snider out of the lineup). And as an institutional culture, Toronto tends to go with gloves over bats for their bench players.

Emaus doesn’t have much star potential, but if he reaches his ceiling, he could end up having Ty Wigginton’s career.

by Vlad on Nov 23, 2010 10:10 PM EST up reply actions  

Why Toronto not protecting Emaus?

He’s being blocked by Jose Bautista;)

Lino Donoso

by Lino Donoso on Nov 24, 2010 6:00 AM EST up reply actions  

I'll take Big Boscan

First, thank you, Vlad.

I don’t think a position player jumping from AA or below is going to be a good bench player because it’s too hard to get acclimated and be productive. It’s hard enough for a good prospect to jump from AA or AAA and play everyday and be productive, projecting a not-really-good-enough guy to make the jump, not play everyday, yet still be productive? I don’t see it with any guys listed here.

If they take a pitcher, I hope they have a plan for him. Being a mop-up guy doesn’t have to mean throwing 30 innings the whole year. Johan Santana was a star, but not when he was taken out of A-ball by MIN. But MIN used him that first year, even when his ERA was never south of 6.50 after mid-April. He was used in blowout losses, but almost always pitched multiple innings, even when he had trouble finding the plate.

If Boscan has the stuff to be a mid-rotation starter, then I’d take a chance. Being able to get lefties out with a great change should give him a chance to get big leaguers out right now. (Note: I said a chance.)

I’m OK with taking Cova or one other the other hard-throwers if they think they have a future closer stuff, because they can be valuable trade chips.

But Boscan, at his age, looks like a guy I’d like to have in our system. But just have a plan to use him in 2011 instead of hide him, and maybe they’ll accelerate his development, not retard it by costing him a year when he should be in AA.

by azibuck on Nov 23, 2010 8:23 PM EST reply actions  

I don’t think a position player jumping from AA or below is going to be a good bench player because it’s too hard to get acclimated and be productive.

Emaus played most of this year in AAA.

by WTM on Nov 23, 2010 8:29 PM EST up reply actions  

Emaus

He is at least interesting as a bench option.

Also, if he can play adequate defense at 2b, he can become a solid player, I think.

He’s not Uggla. But he is interesting and, as WTM notes, played reasonably well at AAA.

He’s also still 24. His minor league stats may not say star. But I like him better than existing options

by Bernie6 on Nov 23, 2010 9:37 PM EST up reply actions  

Pelzer

also has the stuff to be a mid-rotation starter (assuming we’re talking theoretically, like as in ultimate potential, which we must be since we’re talking about Boscan).

by epoc on Nov 23, 2010 8:38 PM EST up reply actions  

Terrible timing on this post!

I went to bed last night before it was up, then (as usual) checked BD at work throughout the day for any breaking news (hiring McClendon as 3B coach, trading for Ollie Perez from the Mets, etc.). So all *$#%#@%$#!! day I could look, but not comment.

Why don't you knock it off with them negative vibes?!

by Trogluddite on Nov 23, 2010 9:39 PM EST reply actions  

Vlad

Awesome post.

Thanks!
Paul.

"I choose to gamble with my life

Twice the risk, four times the prize

Nothing knocks me over"

by lighthouse913 on Nov 24, 2010 3:24 AM EST reply actions  

Adam Ottavino

He is mentioned on Tim’s site.

Anybody have a strong opinion?

by Bernie6 on Nov 24, 2010 10:21 AM EST reply actions  

Bum shoulder.

I don’t like taking pitchers with shoulder issues. It’s not a given that they’ll come back at full strength.

Of the Cards who got outrighted off the roster last week, I probably like Hill the best. If we wanted any of them, though, we would’ve just claimed them on waivers when St. Louis gave them the shoe, rather than waiting to take them in the Rule 5. Doing so would’ve let us take advantage of their remaining options, for example.

by Vlad on Nov 26, 2010 7:13 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Great post

Should be required reading for any fan of a bad team.

by maguro on Nov 24, 2010 11:09 AM EST reply actions  

Not that I'm an expert or anything

But Pelzer really seems like the obvious choice.

by maguro on Nov 24, 2010 11:35 AM EST reply actions  

Vlad, You are the Man! Great post. I ‘ve never dug into things this far but have begun to when I found this site. Thanks again and to all the knowledgeable posters on this sight. Oh yeah, can’t forget you Charlie, great site!

by Lomez969 on Nov 25, 2010 12:13 PM EST reply actions  

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