Pirates Sign Andy Marte, Fernando Nieve, Dusty Brown To Minor-League Deals
The Pirates have signed third baseman Andy Marte, pitcher Fernando Nieve, and catcher Dusty Brown to minor-league deals. Marte is the big name - he was one of the best prospects in baseball back when he was with the Braves, but he stalled badly in the Indians system and isn't a prospect anymore. He seemed to have peaked at age 21 and is now 27, and hasn't really even hit Class AAA hitters all that well since back in 2005. I assume he'll play third for Indianapolis (UPDATE: as Adam Reynolds points out in the comments, he could also play some first base, since Josh Harrison will probably be at third most of the time), but I'm sure the Pirates will treat him as an organizational player and won't let him block prospects. I'm all about signing former top prospects, but I don't think anyone actually thinks there's still real hope for this guy.
Nieve came up through the Astros system and spent the last two years with the Mets. He doesn't have much of a track record in the majors, struggles with his control, and somehow managed to allow ten homers in 42 innings in the majors last year, but he throws hard, with an average fastball velocity of over 93 MPH last year. He'll likely just provide bullpen depth at Indianapolis, but even at age 28, it's not totally ridiculous to think a pitcher with his velocity could learn something down there and end up helping in the majors.
Brown was the only one of the three I wasn't already familiar with, and that's because he's strictly minor league material - one of those AAA backup catchers who doesn't hit much, like Luke Carlin last year.
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With these 3 signings, the Bucs Indianapolis should avoid 100 losses next year.
by WTM on Dec 1, 2010 6:11 PM EST up reply actions
Plus these three have the added bonus of likely not being embarrassments if we need to call them up for any reason.
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by Say Hey Johnny Ray on Dec 1, 2010 7:17 PM EST up reply actions
Figure he’ll play 1B/DH since Josh Harrison at least maintained prospect status with a good fall league.
by Adam Reynolds on Dec 1, 2010 6:28 PM EST via mobile reply actions
what are the projected assignments for next year?
Harrison should be a lock for AAA.
What happens to Hague/Mercer/D’Arnaud?
Hague should have been a lock for 3A, if not for the possibility that Pearce will be there!
thats a great question
i still think theres going to be plenty more changes before april comes around
Harrison and Hague will be in Indy
I think D’Arnaud and even Mercer will repeat AA since Ciriaco is a lock to play SS at Indy.
by BadAndy on Dec 1, 2010 7:38 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
i'd like to see
Hague get a shot in RF…
Also D’Arnaud may start in AAA, you never know…
Mercer, I have to admit, is likely to be in AA
im not so sure Ciriaco will be in Indy
mainly because im not sure Diaz will be in the organization at all.
I think D’Arnaud and even Mercer will repeat AA since Ciriaco is a lock to play SS at Indy.
That’s a terrible idea. Why hold back the better prospects to create a space for the worse ones?
I don't know why it's that terrible an idea
D’arnaud struggled against AA pitching, I don’t think it would be terrible to let him develop his hitting for a month or two before promoting him, it’s not to let Ciriaco develop, it’s to make sure D’arnaud is ready for AAA pitching. A thread a while back discussed how AA has the better pure “throwers” and AAA has the pitchers who know how to work a batter, let him develop completely against the “throwers” before having him face the “pitchers”
D’Arnaud “struggled against AA pitching” for about two months, while he was playing with/recovering from pneumonia. Then, after he was healthy, he went back to hitting like usual. He doesn’t need more time – he’s ready for AAA pitching right now.
he absolutely improved over the end of the season, I just don’t understand why it would be a “terrible idea” for him to play another month at AA just to prove he has a mastery of AA pitching, I can’t see how it would stifle his development to have him put one more month into AA…unless of course he kills it during spring training, then by all means groom him at AAA
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by cocktailsfor2 on Dec 3, 2010 11:37 AM EST up reply actions
Mercer
I wouldn’t mind seeing if his stick can get a bit better at AA…
if he’s gonna hit like that in AA, there’s little hope!
Hey, this way they can send Pearce and his 4th option to AA!!!
by WTM on Dec 1, 2010 7:41 PM EST up reply actions
Nieves might be a sleeper
from what I read; he was overused by Jerry Manual early last year and dropped off significantly. He’s got stuff, and is 2+ years removed from TJ surgery, so he might gain a little heat this coming season.. Not a bad risk at all.
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Nieves
He might be a guy whose stuff translates better to the bullpen. I’m sure they’ll give him a chance as a starter first.
But I suspect his future is in the pen.
Marte
I’ve thought for a few years that Marte is LaRoche 2.0. Or perhaps 1A. Same first name and everything. I assume this was basically our way of replacing Andy the former for less money. Certainly not an inspired signing but as far as minor league moves go, whatever, why not?
I’m beginning to think Marte might make the opening day roster. I agree that he’d give you what Laroche would have given us at the MLB level (good 3B defense, quad-A stick) for cheaper. He’s not actually an improvement, though.
by Adam Reynolds on Dec 2, 2010 1:08 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Improvement
It depends which version of Andy we are discussing.
The last year one: Marte could actually outperform those numbers.
The previous year version: Unlikely.
Marte will be some where between mediocre Andy L. and useless Andy 2010. I’d project LaRoche himself the same way next year.
by Adam Reynolds on Dec 2, 2010 2:14 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Marte’s swing in the pic above looks like it produced the same type of result as a usual Andy LaRoche swing does…an out.
Nah, LaRoche specialized in popups. The one above looks like an infield dribbler. Who knows, maybe he beat it out. Big step forward.
by WTM on Dec 2, 2010 6:58 PM EST up reply actions
ERRONEOUS!!
The pitch hasn’t even reached the plate yet, Marte has such great pitch recognition that he checked his swing when he saw it was a little low, and his swing is so powerful that when stopped on a dime, it snaps the bat clean in half!
by Mr. E on Dec 4, 2010 12:57 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
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by cocktailsfor2 on Dec 4, 2010 1:36 PM EST up reply actions
I don’t agree that Marte is not a prospect anymore, while he might have had a prospectus season while 21 years old does nor mean that at 27 he is out of balance. I think he is just recollecting and the move to Pirates will be the turning point.
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