Navigation: Jump to content areas:


Pro Quality. Fan Perspective.
Login-facebook
Around SBN: FSU To Big 12 'Inevitable,' According To Report

Pirates Sign Andy Marte, Fernando Nieve, Dusty Brown To Minor-League Deals

ANAHEIM CA - SEPTEMBER 8: Andy Marte #25 of the Cleveland Indians breaks his bat in the game with the Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim on September 8 2010 at Angel Stadium in Anaheim California.  (Photo by Stephen Dunn/Getty Images)

The Pirates have signed third baseman Andy Marte, pitcher Fernando Nieve, and catcher Dusty Brown to minor-league deals. Marte is the big name - he was one of the best prospects in baseball back when he was with the Braves, but he stalled badly in the Indians system and isn't a prospect anymore. He seemed to have peaked at age 21 and is now 27, and hasn't really even hit Class AAA hitters all that well since back in 2005. I assume he'll play third for Indianapolis (UPDATE: as Adam Reynolds points out in the comments, he could also play some first base, since Josh Harrison will probably be at third most of the time), but I'm sure the Pirates will treat him as an organizational player and won't let him block prospects. I'm all about signing former top prospects, but I don't think anyone actually thinks there's still real hope for this guy.

Nieve came up through the Astros system and spent the last two years with the Mets. He doesn't have much of a track record in the majors, struggles with his control, and somehow managed to allow ten homers in 42 innings in the majors last year, but he throws hard, with an average fastball velocity of over 93 MPH last year. He'll likely just provide bullpen depth at Indianapolis, but even at age 28, it's not totally ridiculous to think a pitcher with his velocity could learn something down there and end up helping in the majors. 

Brown was the only one of the three I wasn't already familiar with, and that's because he's strictly minor league material - one of those AAA backup catchers who doesn't hit much, like Luke Carlin last year.

Comment 41 comments  |  0 recs  | 

Do you like this story?

Comments

Display:

Marte had an OPS of .963 in 326 PA’s in AAA in 2009. I remember a fangraphs article at the time wondering if maybe he was turning things around.

by TNbucs on Dec 1, 2010 4:52 PM EST reply actions  

Dusty Brown actually spent the last 2 full years on the Red Sox 40 man. I’m not really sure how that happened.

by ElDuce on Dec 1, 2010 5:03 PM EST reply actions  

With these 3 signings, the Bucs should avoid 100 losses next year.

by Chucksberries on Dec 1, 2010 5:27 PM EST reply actions  

With these 3 signings, the Bucs Indianapolis should avoid 100 losses next year.

by WTM on Dec 1, 2010 6:11 PM EST up reply actions  

Plus these three have the added bonus of likely not being embarrassments if we need to call them up for any reason.

http://bleedblackandgold.com/

by Say Hey Johnny Ray on Dec 1, 2010 7:17 PM EST up reply actions  

Figure he’ll play 1B/DH since Josh Harrison at least maintained prospect status with a good fall league.

by Adam Reynolds on Dec 1, 2010 6:28 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

what are the projected assignments for next year?

Harrison should be a lock for AAA.

What happens to Hague/Mercer/D’Arnaud?

Hague should have been a lock for 3A, if not for the possibility that Pearce will be there!

by BurgherKing on Dec 1, 2010 6:35 PM EST up reply actions  

thats a great question

i still think theres going to be plenty more changes before april comes around

by white angus on Dec 1, 2010 6:46 PM EST up reply actions  

Harrison and Hague will be in Indy

I think D’Arnaud and even Mercer will repeat AA since Ciriaco is a lock to play SS at Indy.

by BadAndy on Dec 1, 2010 7:38 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

i'd like to see

Hague get a shot in RF…

Also D’Arnaud may start in AAA, you never know…

Mercer, I have to admit, is likely to be in AA

by BurgherKing on Dec 1, 2010 8:13 PM EST up reply actions  

im not so sure Ciriaco will be in Indy

mainly because im not sure Diaz will be in the organization at all.

by white angus on Dec 2, 2010 7:49 AM EST up reply actions  

I think D’Arnaud and even Mercer will repeat AA since Ciriaco is a lock to play SS at Indy.

That’s a terrible idea. Why hold back the better prospects to create a space for the worse ones?

by Vlad on Dec 2, 2010 9:30 AM EST up reply actions  

I would be surprised...

…because it’s a terrible idea.

by Vlad on Dec 2, 2010 12:14 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't know why it's that terrible an idea

D’arnaud struggled against AA pitching, I don’t think it would be terrible to let him develop his hitting for a month or two before promoting him, it’s not to let Ciriaco develop, it’s to make sure D’arnaud is ready for AAA pitching. A thread a while back discussed how AA has the better pure “throwers” and AAA has the pitchers who know how to work a batter, let him develop completely against the “throwers” before having him face the “pitchers”

by smoked on Dec 2, 2010 8:52 PM EST up reply actions  

D’Arnaud “struggled against AA pitching” for about two months, while he was playing with/recovering from pneumonia. Then, after he was healthy, he went back to hitting like usual. He doesn’t need more time – he’s ready for AAA pitching right now.

by Vlad on Dec 2, 2010 9:06 PM EST up reply actions  

he absolutely improved over the end of the season, I just don’t understand why it would be a “terrible idea” for him to play another month at AA just to prove he has a mastery of AA pitching, I can’t see how it would stifle his development to have him put one more month into AA…unless of course he kills it during spring training, then by all means groom him at AAA

by smoked on Dec 2, 2010 9:15 PM EST up reply actions  

Why would a couple dozen good at-bats in spring training be enough to make you change your mind about where to assign him? A sample that small is basically meaningless.

by Vlad on Dec 2, 2010 9:45 PM EST up reply actions  

Nice little writeup

on Chase HERE.

Free your ass and your mind will follow.

by cocktailsfor2 on Dec 3, 2010 11:37 AM EST up reply actions  

All 4 should be promoted.

by Adam Reynolds on Dec 2, 2010 10:30 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Mercer

I wouldn’t mind seeing if his stick can get a bit better at AA…

if he’s gonna hit like that in AA, there’s little hope!

by BurgherKing on Dec 2, 2010 12:00 PM EST up reply actions  

Hey, this way they can send Pearce and his 4th option to AA!!!

by WTM on Dec 1, 2010 7:41 PM EST up reply actions  

Nieves might be a sleeper

from what I read; he was overused by Jerry Manual early last year and dropped off significantly. He’s got stuff, and is 2+ years removed from TJ surgery, so he might gain a little heat this coming season.. Not a bad risk at all.

6 and counting

by michaelbro8 on Dec 1, 2010 7:20 PM EST reply actions  

Nieves

He might be a guy whose stuff translates better to the bullpen. I’m sure they’ll give him a chance as a starter first.

But I suspect his future is in the pen.

by Bernie6 on Dec 1, 2010 8:16 PM EST reply actions  

But I suspect his future is in the pen.

Fastball-slider guy with iffy command? Usually a safe bet.

by Vlad on Dec 2, 2010 9:31 AM EST up reply actions  

Marte

I’ve thought for a few years that Marte is LaRoche 2.0. Or perhaps 1A. Same first name and everything. I assume this was basically our way of replacing Andy the former for less money. Certainly not an inspired signing but as far as minor league moves go, whatever, why not?

by Tuckshop25 on Dec 1, 2010 8:56 PM EST reply actions  

I’m beginning to think Marte might make the opening day roster. I agree that he’d give you what Laroche would have given us at the MLB level (good 3B defense, quad-A stick) for cheaper. He’s not actually an improvement, though.

by Adam Reynolds on Dec 2, 2010 1:08 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

Improvement

It depends which version of Andy we are discussing.

The last year one: Marte could actually outperform those numbers.

The previous year version: Unlikely.

by Bernie6 on Dec 2, 2010 2:06 PM EST up reply actions  

Marte will be some where between mediocre Andy L. and useless Andy 2010. I’d project LaRoche himself the same way next year.

by Adam Reynolds on Dec 2, 2010 2:14 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Marte’s swing in the pic above looks like it produced the same type of result as a usual Andy LaRoche swing does…an out.

by Thunder on Dec 2, 2010 5:25 PM EST reply actions  

Nah, LaRoche specialized in popups. The one above looks like an infield dribbler. Who knows, maybe he beat it out. Big step forward.

by WTM on Dec 2, 2010 6:58 PM EST up reply actions  

ERRONEOUS!!

The pitch hasn’t even reached the plate yet, Marte has such great pitch recognition that he checked his swing when he saw it was a little low, and his swing is so powerful that when stopped on a dime, it snaps the bat clean in half!

by Mr. E on Dec 4, 2010 12:57 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Ha! Rec'd.

Free your ass and your mind will follow.

by cocktailsfor2 on Dec 4, 2010 1:36 PM EST up reply actions  

his swing is so powerful that when stopped on a dime, it snaps the bat clean in half!

That actually happens once in a while. I remember I saw Glenn Braggs do it in a game, back in the late ’80s/early ’90s.

by Vlad on Dec 4, 2010 5:11 PM EST up reply actions  

Might remember Bo doing it too, come to think of it.

by Vlad on Dec 4, 2010 5:11 PM EST up reply actions  

I don’t agree that Marte is not a prospect anymore, while he might have had a prospectus season while 21 years old does nor mean that at 27 he is out of balance. I think he is just recollecting and the move to Pirates will be the turning point.

Jordan: Questions to God

by christopoulosgeorge on Dec 2, 2010 7:22 PM EST reply actions  

Comments For This Post Are Closed


User Tools

Welcome to the SB Nation blog about Pittsburgh Pirates.

FanPosts

Community blog posts and discussion.

Recent FanPosts

Small
Are they a prospect.
Small
Why I think the Bucs are playoff bound
Insetcommodoreperry_small
Guess the Score Game 42: Mets @ Pirates
Small
Hitting Coach???
178896_499126548441_596563441_5939410_7960015_n_small
I Admit that I Was Wrong About the A.J. Burnett Trade
Small
not Adam Lind
Small
Adam Lind
Smiling_small
Why is Merrero still considered a first rounder?
Insetcommodoreperry_small
Guess the Score Game 41: Pirates @ Tigers
Insetcommodoreperry_small
Guess the Game Score Game 40: Pirates @ Tigers

+ New FanPost All FanPosts >

Yahoo_full_count

Managers

Charlie_small Charlie Wilmoth

Editors

18470r_small Vlad

Davidtodd_small David Todd

Authors

Img_1692_small WTM

Mark_profile_pic_small MarkInDallas