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Retrospective Scouting Reports ('10) - Guess the Player

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As Charlie noted in his post below, this is a slow time of year for baseball fans, and that being the case I thought it might be fun to resurrect a game from last offseason : the Retrospective Scouting Report. In case you don't remember, the rules are pretty simple. I'm going to provide the Baseball America draft-day scouting reports for three players who will be in camp with us next spring, with all specific identifying details such as names, teams, and conferences removed, and in the comments you'll try to match the player with his scouting report. After a day or so, I'll provide the answers, along with an examination of the player's development in light of scouts' draft-day expectations for him. For the purposes of the contest, anyone on the 40-man roster is eligible, as are all non-roster invitees. As an aside, please don't look players up before guessing - the game is more fun when played without prior knowledge.

Ready to get started? Descriptions are under the jump.

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Player A:

"Player A" has a tightly wound body and a lightning-bolt arm. He came out of the gate throwing 95 mph this spring and tried to keep up that pace this spring to impress scouts. But more often his velocity was in the 91-92 range. "Player A" throws from a three-quarters angle and gets good sink on his fastball, especially at the lower velocity. He projects more as a closer because he has not developed reliable secondary pitches. He has a below-average breaking ball and lacks confidence in it. "Player A" projects as a third- to fifth-round pick and has little signing leverage because he has few college options.

 

Player B:  

While "Player B" has hit more than 20 home runs in each of his first two seasons at "School X", scouts still question whether his power is legitimate. A quality college hitter, "Player B" hits a lot of balls to the opposite field, which plays well at "School X's" cozy home stadium. His outfield skills are just average. The draft-eligible sophomore will likely return to school for another year.

 

Player C:

Drafted in the 23rd round by "Team X" last year, "Player C" turned down a $25,000 offer for a chance to improve his worth as a senior. He has succeeded. Just a thrower last season, he has improved his slider and changeup this year while improving the velocity on his fastball from 88-89 mph to 91-93 with a high of 95. His slider has jumped to 82-83. He has held his velocity deeper into games and has a good bounce-back arm, often closing "Conference X" games on Fridays and starting on Sundays.

 

OK, there you go. Post your guesses in the comments, and we'll check back tomorrow.

Update : Voting is now closed, and the results are as follows.

The top vote-getter for "Player A" was Charlie Morton, named on seven ballots, and Joel Hanrahan also received significant support with five votes. The correct answer was actually Evan Meek , ranked by BA as the fifth-best prospect in the state of Washington in 2002 and the 118th overall prospect in that draft class . Only three voters here picked Meek, and even that count includes cocktailsfor2's joke ballot, which referred to poster "even meek" rather than the pitcher of the same name. It's easy to understand the voters' difficulty, even though most of the description does sound much like the modern-day Meek. Meek still has a 3/4 arm slot and a power arm, and BA was correct about him ending up in late relief in the bullpen. Those occasional 95 MPH fastballs became more common as he gained stamina and his body filled out, to the point that Fangraphs had his average fastball at 95.1 MPH last year. The biggest difference, and the one that probably threw most people, is the comment about Meek's breaking ball. Whereas the young Meek apparently was a one-pitch pitcher, the slider is one of the modern-day Meek's best and most important weapons. The reference to high school may have also been confusing. BA listed Meek under his high school in their 2002 draft preview, even though he had graduated from it in 2001 and was attending community college at the time of the 2002 draft. Their projected draft position for him proved inaccurate, as he lasted until the Twins took him with the 20th pick of the 11th round. Minnesota then entered into a signing freeze with many of their top picks , out of concerns over the possibility of a player strike, and Meek didn't actually end up putting pen to paper until May 27, 2003, under the old draft-and-follow process.

There was runaway support for Matt Diaz as "Player B", with eleven votes, well ahead of second place John Bowker's four, and Diaz was indeed the correct choice. The college mentioned in his blurb was Florida State University, whose consensus top draft prospect that year was pitcher Nick Stocks , taken with the 36th overall pick by the Cardinals. The "cozy" home park was Dick Howser Stadium , which as you can see has a short right porch (320 down the RF line, ending in a 30-foot wall), and must have been very attractive to a RHB who liked to hit to the opposite field. The scouts' concerns in that area appear to have been well-founded, as Diaz has been more about doubles and line drives than the long ball during his MLB career, though he is of course a productive hitter even without huge power. BA did not include Diaz among the 35 players of their ranking within the state of Florida in 1999, but they did mention him as a sort of honorable mention below. In the real draft, he lasted until the 17th round, and after struggling to dispel the "AAAA" label with Tampa and Kansas City, he has enjoyed a nice second act to his career with the Braves.

WTM's observation that Kevin Correia was drafted as a college senior appears to have turned the tide in voting on "Player C". Correia had drawn no votes up until then, but pulled eight after WTM's announcement, moving him in front of Danny Moskos (five) and Ross Ohlendorf (four). In the end, Correia was indeed the correct choice. BA ranked Correia as the 23rd prospect in Southern California, and the 142nd overall prospect in the 2002 draft as a whole . His decision to re-enter the draft and come back for his senior year at Cal Poly - San Luis Obispo proved to be a wise one, as he was draftedin the fourth round by the Giants and earned a sizable upgrade on his bonus offer from 2001. In the majors, Correia's fastball has generally sat around 90/91 MPH, in between the quoted numbers for his junior and senior years. It's not uncommon for older prospects who suddenly and unexpectedly gain velocity to lose it again just as suddenly and unexpectedly, and it's always always good to remember that scouting reports about a prospect's "high" velocity can sometimes give an inflated impression of the general quality of his stuff. Correia has been reasonably effective even without the extra gas, though, due in large part to the improved secondary stuff the report cites, and his flexibility of role and short recharge time have served him well as a swingman.

No ballot correctly identified all three players. Six posters identified two of the three: zogger, Mr. E, Roberto, ElDuce, MarkInDallas, and bolton. I hope you all had as much fun with this game as I did. If there's interest, we may do another one in January. Either way, thanks for playing.

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I feel pretty good about my answer for B but not so much the pitchers

A – Charlie Morton

B – Steve Pearce

C – Ross Ohlendorf?

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by Say Hey Johnny Ray on Dec 30, 2010 1:35 PM EST reply actions  

Im not sure at all, but

A- Charlie Morton
b- Johnn Bowker
c-Danny Moskos cant be it because he was a first round pick sooo Brad Licoln

your life is what your thoughts make of it and if you look for the meaning of life it is far beyond what you think of it.

by even meek on Dec 30, 2010 3:03 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Danny Moskos cant be it because he was a first round pick sooo Brad Licoln

Ummm . . . . . . . . . . . .

by WTM on Dec 30, 2010 3:08 PM EST up reply actions  

Woe. You really are stupid.

Thank you Ned Colletti.

by ryebr3ad on Dec 31, 2010 3:27 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

haha fail

The glare of the spotlight is harsh, and the pressure that success breeds immense. We revere our heroes, but expect much. And criticism can come as easily as praise.

by glass0941 on Dec 31, 2010 7:09 PM EST up reply actions  

I think

it’s a perfectly suitable and acceptable statement.

.

Free your ass and your mind will follow.

by cocktailsfor2 on Dec 31, 2010 7:18 PM EST up reply actions  

Wow. You really are stupid.

Thank you Ned Colletti.

by ryebr3ad on Dec 31, 2010 3:27 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Rec'd

for a laugh.

Hey, an out is an out - unless you're Mario, in which case it's probably two outs. -UtesFan89

Hard work always beats talent if talent doesn't work hard.

Hey, if you’re gonna call us birds you might as well call us chickens. -Leafer87

ARE YOU F#$%ING KIDDING ME!!!! ADAMS!!! JESUS TAPDANCING CHRIST YOU HAD 24 SQUARE FEET AND YOU MISSED IT ALL!! - OlenWhitaker

by wg1of5 on Jan 2, 2011 9:15 PM EST up reply actions  

Well hell

I didn’t do very well…thought for sure that B would have been Pearce.

http://bleedblackandgold.com/

by Say Hey Johnny Ray on Jan 1, 2011 12:17 PM EST up reply actions  

Pearce hasn’t really shown a lot of opposite field power, though. That’s why I said Diaz. Normally for a batter to get a lot of opportunities to do what was described, he would have to be right handed (facing a lot of RHPs that pitch outside) and then I eliminated Pearce, because he hasn’t shown that tendency to go the other way.

by MarkInDallas on Jan 1, 2011 12:29 PM EST up reply actions  

Your post prompted me to look up Diaz’s hit chart and I was surprised at how pronounced his opposite field power is. He may be a great fit for PNC. I already liked the signing, but like it better now.

by TNbucs on Jan 1, 2011 1:51 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm just taking shots in the dark.

A- Evan Meek
B- John Bowker
C- Ross Ohlendorf

by Suffering Buc on Dec 30, 2010 1:35 PM EST reply actions  

I'd be happy to be right on one of them, but here we go:

A – Kevin Correia

B – Garrett Jones

C – Joel Hanrahan

Hey, an out is an out - unless you're Mario, in which case it's probably two outs. -UtesFan89

Hard work always beats talent if talent doesn't work hard.

Hey, if you’re gonna call us birds you might as well call us chickens. -Leafer87

ARE YOU F#$%ING KIDDING ME!!!! ADAMS!!! JESUS TAPDANCING CHRIST YOU HAD 24 SQUARE FEET AND YOU MISSED IT ALL!! - OlenWhitaker

by wg1of5 on Dec 30, 2010 1:41 PM EST reply actions  

all guesses

A = Scott Olsen
B = Matt Diaz
C = Joel Hanrahan

by gonfalon on Dec 30, 2010 1:57 PM EST reply actions  

hmmm

I didn’t look up any details, but Hanrahan apparently did not play college baseball. so I’d like to change my guess for C to Danny Moskos

by gonfalon on Dec 30, 2010 2:12 PM EST up reply actions  

Morton
Diaz
Hanrahan

by biggyv on Dec 30, 2010 2:00 PM EST reply actions  

ah

i am with you on this one
Morton
Diaz
Ohlendorf

although, i really have no idea if Diaz went to college or how well he played while in college, if he was ever there haha

by C Shint on Dec 30, 2010 5:04 PM EST up reply actions  

A — Most of our pitchers were college guys. The hard throwers I can think of who were drafted out of HS are Hanrahan and Morton. Morton has been reputed as a pro to have good breaking stuff, and Hanrahan was known as a sinkerball pitcher in his early days in the LA system, so I’d guess Hanrahan. He’s also about the only “lightning-bolt arm” I can think of who’ll be in camp.

B — Overbay’s power was a question mark while he was in the minors and he went to Univ. Nevada Reno (I’m just guessing that it had a HR park), so I’d guess him.

C — Pretty sure Correia was a senior draftee and I can’t think of any other, so Correia.

by WTM on Dec 30, 2010 2:18 PM EST reply actions  

My Guesses

A-Moskos
B-Diaz
C-Correia

by zogger on Dec 30, 2010 2:45 PM EST reply actions  

A) even meek
B) pirates21
C) BFD1

Free your ass and your mind will follow.

by cocktailsfor2 on Dec 30, 2010 3:18 PM EST reply actions  

C'mon

We both know Pirates21 is a dead-pull hitter.

haha ok I laughed.

by Mr. E on Dec 30, 2010 5:30 PM EST up reply actions  

You stole my idea :(

Thank you Ned Colletti.

by ryebr3ad on Dec 31, 2010 3:28 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

a) James McDonald, but I doubt this because I think he would have had college options. He was the first guy I thought of when I read lightening-bolt arm.

b) Overbay was my first thought, but Bowker would be my 2nd choice.

c) Moskos (though I don’t think he was a senior, but he did close and start his last year at Clemson)

by TNbucs on Dec 30, 2010 4:26 PM EST reply actions  

Oops—missed the part about player b being an OF. I’ll go with Bowker then though Diaz seems to be the popular choice.

by TNbucs on Dec 31, 2010 11:42 AM EST up reply actions  

A) Scott Olsen
B) Diaz
C) Correia

by Mr. E on Dec 30, 2010 5:27 PM EST reply actions  

A.) Resop
B.) Snyder
C.) Karstens

by thefutureisnear on Dec 30, 2010 5:35 PM EST reply actions  

.....

A) Resop
B) Josh Rodriquez (Rule 5 guy)
C) Kevin Correia

by CabreraKilledMyChildhood on Dec 30, 2010 5:57 PM EST reply actions  

Great quiz

A. Hanrahan, he guessed blindly.
B. Sounds like Diaz to me. I know he played at FSU.
C. WTM has convinced me, Correia

Viva Clemente!

by Roberto on Dec 30, 2010 10:02 PM EST reply actions  

A) Morton
B) Pearce
C) Moskos

by jperb on Dec 30, 2010 10:09 PM EST reply actions  

These are all total shots in the dark, but

A) Hanrahan
B) Jones was my first thought because of “outfield” and “power,” but he didn’t go to college, did he? I couldn’t really think of anyone that fit outside of him, but after reading through the comments, I think Steve Pearce sounds like a pretty good choice.
C) Danny Moskos

by Superstar25 on Dec 30, 2010 10:49 PM EST reply actions  

A) Charlie Morton This is the one that I’m really not sure about. I was thinking Hanrahan, but the phrase “tightly wound” is throwing me off. Maybe I’m just confused about what it means, but I just don’t see that phrase describing Hanrahan’s body type.
B) Matt Diaz I’m not coming up with many other options. I don’t think there are any OF NRIs so far. I don’t see any way Presley hit 20 HRs his first 2 years of college. I was going to say Bowker, but I remembered he went to Long Beach State and I really doubt he had multiple 20 HR seasons for that team. I’m pretty sure Pearce was a junior college guy and didn’t get to South Carolina until his junior year. I don’t think he was playing OF either. Don’t really see another option.
C) Kevin Correia I’m about 95% sure on this one. The only other senior draftee that I know of is Daniel McCutchen, and I think he was actually drafted 2 times before that, which seems like it would pop up in the description.

by ElDuce on Dec 31, 2010 12:26 AM EST reply actions  

Correct on Pearce

He was listed as an IF in his time here at USC. Some first base, i believe some third and obviously a little DH, but I don’t think he ever made it to the OF

The glare of the spotlight is harsh, and the pressure that success breeds immense. We revere our heroes, but expect much. And criticism can come as easily as praise.

by glass0941 on Dec 31, 2010 11:12 AM EST up reply actions  

Shielding my eyes from other answers...

A. Meek (tightly wound?)
B. Matt Diaz came to mind immediately. Hopefully that’s correct.
C. Daniel McCutchen

by MarkInDallas on Dec 31, 2010 2:20 AM EST reply actions  

First instinct guesses

A McDonald
B Diaz
C Justin Wilson

by DITO on Dec 31, 2010 9:14 AM EST via mobile reply actions  

haven't a clue

Hanrahan…overbay…correia

by Dan Jenkins on Dec 31, 2010 9:35 AM EST reply actions  

Hmm

A) McDonald
B) Presley
C) D. McCutchen

by Drufan11 on Dec 31, 2010 9:54 AM EST reply actions  

Umm

Moskos
Bowker
Karstens

by omar moreno on Dec 31, 2010 10:05 AM EST via mobile reply actions  

I feel confident that B is Diaz.

As for the pitchers, I’ll guess
A) Hanrahan
C) Correia.

by bolton on Dec 31, 2010 11:00 AM EST reply actions  

Voting is now closed.

Will have the results up in a bit.

by Vlad on Dec 31, 2010 12:52 PM EST reply actions  

Results are now up.

by Vlad on Dec 31, 2010 2:15 PM EST up reply actions  

Hey, I got one!

Well…sorta.

Free your ass and your mind will follow.

by cocktailsfor2 on Dec 31, 2010 2:26 PM EST up reply actions  

i guess

i dont count in the final tally as i said morton, diaz, ohlendorf so 2 of 3 right. oh well

by C Shint on Dec 31, 2010 2:32 PM EST up reply actions  

woops

sorry, first answer was meek haha, thought it was still morton. ignore my dumbness currently

by C Shint on Dec 31, 2010 2:34 PM EST up reply actions  

Do it again!

This was fun.

Viva Clemente!

by Roberto on Dec 31, 2010 4:05 PM EST reply actions  

+2

Good work, Vlad. I actually got one, too.

by Suffering Buc on Dec 31, 2010 5:07 PM EST up reply actions  

+3

Cheers Vlad, this sure beats reading posts from even meek and friends. And fwiw I made my guesses before reading the other comments. I wanted to change B to Overbay afterward.

by Mr. E on Dec 31, 2010 8:40 PM EST up reply actions  

Fun game. Wish I would’ve seen it while voting was active. I would’ve gone with Ohlendorf, Pearce, and Moskos. Looking forward to the next one, hopefully sooner rather than later…

by King Oskar on Jan 4, 2011 2:14 PM EST reply actions  

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