Rangers may shop Joaquin Arias
Joaquin Arias in 2006. Image (from Flickr ) by Brent Moore .
With the current 40-man roster packed to the gills, the Rangers were looking at having to trim two bodies. The most likely were INF Joaquin Arias and RHP Luis Mendoza , both of whom had strong winter league performances. Arias played well enough in the Dominican Republic to start earning some interest from other clubs. Mendoza went 7-4 with a 2.89 ERA in the Mexican League.
The news gives the Rangers six weeks to assess the situation and any number of potential outcomes. Among those:
• Dealing either or both Arias and Mendoza: The six-week window means that the Rangers can showcase both Arias and Mendoza all spring and potentially make a deal for either or both of them, rather than simply putting them on waivers. Arias has also played his way into the picture for the 25th man on the big league roster, so it gives the Rangers more time to evaluate him on that front as well. -Evan Grant, The Dallas Morning News
Given our organizational weakness at shortstop, this is probably a situation worth monitoring. Arias (stats here ) is a fairly well-pedigreed young shortstop stuck behind three fairly well-established regulars in Ian Kinsler , Elvis Andrus , and Michael Young . Nicknamed "Spiderman", he'll be 25 next year. He's out of options, and the Rangers are caught by a roster crunch in two different ways. First, they're temporarily carrying 42 players on their 40-man roster, due to the welcome (but unexpected) reinstatement of formerly-banned Dominican pitchers Omar Beltre and Alexi Ogando . Second, he's facing fairly stiff competition for a job as a utility infielder, including Khalil Greene and Esteban German .
Arias was originally signed out of the Dominican Republic by the Yankees , earning a $300,000 bonus (in 2001) as a 16-year-old, then was sent to Texas in the Alex Rodriguez trade before the 2004 season. He played in the Futures Game in 2006, and BA ranked him among his team's top 10 prospects every year from 2004-2007. They also ranked him as the #15 prospect in the California League in 2004, and the #12 prospect in the Texas League and #77 in all of baseball in 2005. According to their scouting reports, he is regarded as a very good athlete. He has above-average range in the field, and a decent arm, but like many young shortstops lacks consistency with the glove, sometimes making spectacular plays and then botching routine ones. On offense, he is a good contact hitter with quick wrists and a very aggressive approach (probably too aggressive). He shows some power in batting practice, but hasn't translated much of it into games, and he has above-average speed, but is not a particularly high-percentage baserunner. His health record is spotty. He played through a badly sprained ankle in 2006, causing a drop in his play, and missed almost all of 2007 with both an infected thumb and a shoulder problem that required surgery, costing him some of the strength in what had been a plus-plus arm. He also missed some time last year to be with his ailing father, who died a few weeks later. Most recently, he played winter ball in the Dominican, putting up a .305/.355/.337 line as the starting shortstop for Escogido. His older brother, Alberto Arias , is a relief pitcher for the Astros .
Arias isn't a sure thing, but I think he could potentially develop into a solid starting shortstop if given the chance, and he would be under organizational control long enough to be a viable bridge to our low-minors shortstop prospects. If the Rangers were considering waiving him outright, they probably wouldn't want a huge return in exchange. They have a very left-handed lineup, and have been searching for an inexpensive right-handed 1B/OF who could let them rest guys like Chris Davis against tough lefties (Link , one of many.). I wonder what they think of Steve Pearce ?
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just shootin from the hip here
but he looks a lot like ronny cedeno with a little more speed, a little less power and a much longer arb clock. could be a useful piece as a utility guy i guess but i wouldn’t be that excited if we got him, though i agree he would be a fair trade for steve pearce.
I realize that he's almost 2 years younger...
But do you really see much difference between him and Ronny Cedeño? Looking at their stats, Cedeño seems to have better lifetime minor league stats. Arias has better major league cumulative stats, but it’s a pretty small sample size and also significantly outperforming his much larger sample of minor league history.
I think that's a fair comparison.
Arias is a better athlete than Cedeno, but also less polished. He’s a high-variance player, given the tools and the injuries, and as such, I think he’d be a nice lottery ticket to have on hand, and certainly be a better fit for the team going forward than someone like Vazquez.
With their ownership situation temporarily in limbo, Texas is really hurting financially. They may not have they money to add a veteran OF/1B, even if they have the opportunity.
Exactly so Vlad
In their current situation both financially and on their 40 man they’d probably prefer a low minors flyer with some upside to Pearce though.
by Say Hey Johnny Ray on Feb 11, 2010 11:23 AM EST up reply actions
Well, they've said that they want a RHB on the 25-man.
Chris Davis, Josh Hamilton, Julio Borbon, and David Murphy are all LHB, so that’s three starters and their primary outfield reserve. Not really tenable in a division with a decent number of LHP, especially if they want to try and contend, which it appears they do. They were linked to Jermaine Dye and Rocco Baldelli earlier in the offseason, but it’s been reported that they can’t add any payroll at all right now, which would seem to rule out a veteran player. And it’s worth remembering that the Rangers have had decent luck in recent years with other teams’ failed OF/1B prospects (Josh Hamilton, Nelson Cruz, Marlon Byrd). They might be more likely to take a shot on a guy with Pearce’s profile than the average team.
The current plan that's being reported...
…barring any more acquisitions, has Khalil Greene stepping in for Davis at 1B vs. LHP, with Matt Brown or Craig Gentry also potentially making the roster as RH bench bats. Those aren’t exactly steallar options.
I do feel that Pearce would have a decent chance of breaking out with Texas, actually.
by MarkInDallas on Feb 11, 2010 11:41 AM EST up reply actions
Oh it makes fine sense for everyone and would probably be the best offer that they see…hard to tell just how tough times are down there though, I’m not convinced that they could even add someone like Pearce and thats really saying something since he’s not exactly pricey.
by Say Hey Johnny Ray on Feb 11, 2010 12:41 PM EST up reply actions
Well, they're already due to pay a near-minimum salary to Arias.
So a 1-for-1 swap in exchange for Pearce wouldn’t really affect their payroll either way.
True
But if they could get an A ball player with some upside, however limited, they save all of the cash AND clear a 40 man spot…if we offered them Pearce or say, Nathan Adcock, I’m not convinced that them choosing Pearce is a slam dunk even though they have openly stated that the want the RH bat.
by Say Hey Johnny Ray on Feb 11, 2010 1:25 PM EST up reply actions
Hard to say which they'd prefer.
But I know which one is more necessary for our current roster, which is why I’d start by asking with Pearce, rather than a low-minors arm.
The 40-man spot doesn’t really change things, payroll-wise. By spring training, they’re going to have 40 players on the 40-man, whether they move Arias for a guy who’s on the roster or a guy who’s off it. The only question would be whether they like Pearce better than the guy who’d go on waivers at that point to make room for him.
Right, and although I know nothing about the Rangers 40 man, the only way that they would rationally do a Pearce trade instead of a Arias :: Lottery Ticket X swap is if Pearce is more valuable to them than Lottery Ticket X + 40 Man Roster Player Y.
Its definitely possible but they’d have to be pretty keen on Pearce.
by Say Hey Johnny Ray on Feb 11, 2010 1:54 PM EST up reply actions
Well, they'd have to free up the same roster spot...
…for an external signing like Dye, or for the best internal option (be it Brown or Gentry, neither of whom are on the 40-man). So if you assume that they’re being honest when they say that they want a RHB on the bench, then Pearce isn’t costing them a roster spot. The decision to add a RHB is costing them a roster spot – it’s only a question of whether it should be Pearce or some other guy, since none of the current options are on the Rangers’ 40-man.
Not that Pearce isn't interesting
But if the Rangers are shopping Arias, it’s to open a spot on the 40. The higher upside low A to high A player (imo, a position player, not necessarily an arm) would be necessary. Background on me, I’m a Ranger fan from Lonestarball and this story was linked. Y’all make great points, but we need the 40 clearance. It looks like Baldelli might be the answer as he can play CF and 1B. Plus, we have a well regarded medical staff which is a concern for Rocco.
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Fair enough.
Thanks for sharing your perspective.
I agree that Baldelli would be a nice fit, as long as you can make the finances work.
There a different hitting coach now, so we’ll have to see how that changes their luck.
by MarkInDallas on Feb 11, 2010 11:40 AM EST up reply actions
nice find
looks like he was trying to work the right side, maybe hit and runs, but i always like seeing footage of guys swings. On that note: Why is it so hard to find footage of minor leaguers? I can never find quality video from double a games, but from what i remember, there’s tv crew at alot of the games
pearce
really , has no value. hart and calvin anderson the 6-7 firstbaseman in A ball for mendoza and arias. hart about done here the rangers can always use a young arm.ps what would mario do ?
'position flex-ability, yea baby' austin powers
This makes no sense to me.
Hart is significantly better than Mendoza, and the Rangers would have no need for Anderson, in that they need a RHB for this year and he’s at least three years away from being ready for the majors. Also, Anderson’s significantly behind Justin Smoak, the Rangers’ top 1B prospect, in both floor and ceiling, so he doesn’t even fill a system need.
does it matter
all 4 players that I mention will have no major impact in major’s in there career’s, and that’s my point, were a SMALL TIME operation . waiver wire pickups and class D free agent signings year after year. come on, sale the team!!!!!
'position flex-ability, yea baby' austin powers
Yes, it matters.
Every team needs to worry about the little things. A small edge here, a small edge there, and pretty soon you’re talking about three or four wins. Every team needs every edge they can find, no matter how small.
If you don’t understand that, or don’t care about it, you should probably refrain from commenting at all.
Vlad
Stop worrying about “reason” and “logic”… if we could just sale the damn team Lemuix would sign Albert Pujols and we could finally win!
nope
if only go after little things you are left with 99 loses.,grasshopper.
"sale the team" sweetleb
I guess you've never heard of the adage
Don’t sweat the small stuff…and it’s all small stuff.
In MLB, the most important thing is to not have players that suck. If you can fill your roster with average to slightly above players, that’s a lot of the battle. The bench is also important. Do you realize how many at bats guys like Cruz and Bixler had for the Pirates last year?
by MarkInDallas on Feb 11, 2010 5:29 PM EST up reply actions
Do you realize how many at bats guys like Cruz and Bixler had for the Pirates last year?
Apparently that has been conveniently forgotten, or purposely omitted. It’s easier to troll when you don’t worry about silly little things like that.
Free your ass and your mind will follow.
by cocktailsfor2 on Feb 11, 2010 6:29 PM EST up reply actions
Better 99...
…than 100.
If picking up Joaquin Arias makes us better and doesn’t have much cost, then it’s worth doing, even if the improvement is small. The ~17,000 people who get to see a win instead of a loss will appreciate the distinction, even if working to improve the back of your roster is only a “little thing”.
For someone who supposedly wants to win, it’s strange that you don’t see any value in pursuing that goal in every way possible.
And of course...
…sometimes those small moves end up being surprisingly important. Roberto Clemente was a Rule 5 pick. Kent Tekulve was a non-drafted free agent signed out of a tryout camp. Bill Robinson was picked up in a minor trade for washed-up Wayne Simpson. Etc.
Could it be?....That sweetleb is really....Bob Nutting?!?!

"So you think 25 percent of the country is retarded?! Yea. Atleast 25 percent. Well lets so a sample. There are 4 of us an you're retarded. Thats 25 percent." Southpark; Mystery of the Urinal Deuce
by gorillakilla34 on Feb 11, 2010 6:17 PM EST up reply actions
Free your ass and your mind will follow.
by cocktailsfor2 on Feb 11, 2010 6:33 PM EST up reply actions
Dude....
your in over your head with these guys, they know way more than you, and will talk you under the table, so just do what i do read and LEARN….
by 22cutchhappens on Feb 12, 2010 1:33 PM EST up reply actions
were a SMALL TIME operation
That’s right – were a small-time operation. Now we’re medium-sized.
And don’t even get me started on “their, there, they’re”…
Free your ass and your mind will follow.
by cocktailsfor2 on Feb 11, 2010 6:27 PM EST up reply actions
to too two...
"So you think 25 percent of the country is retarded?! Yea. Atleast 25 percent. Well lets so a sample. There are 4 of us an you're retarded. Thats 25 percent." Southpark; Mystery of the Urinal Deuce
by gorillakilla34 on Feb 11, 2010 9:12 PM EST up reply actions
I don’t know much about him, but the stats suggest Luis Cruz with better defense. Pearce I’d imagine has a much better chance of being at least a big league bench piece than this guy, so this hypothetical deal isn’t a slam dunk or anything.
I think that undersells him a bit.
Better tools, better runner, better fielder, a year younger. I don’t know that he’ll ever be an offensive dynamo, but I don’t think his 2009 performance is representative of his ability, either.
And while Pearce seems like a safer bet to be a good bench player, there are probably ten times as many guys who can be useful 1Bs in the majors as useful SSs.
I agree
I watched almost every game of the Venezuala World Series that Arias played in with the Dominican Republic, and I must say he looks like he has a ton of upside over Cedeno. He played really well every game I watched, and looks like he could still develop some more power. With his history of being a top prospect for several years I think we should go after this guy.
by FusilliJerry88 on Feb 11, 2010 5:02 PM EST up reply actions
sale
as in for sale, its sub kind of brain thing goes on when you read certain words.
"sale the team" sweetleb
No. I think he means that's the new definition of sale.
Sale: 1) as in for sale. 2) A sub kind of brain thing goes on when you read certain words.
I’ll alert Websters…
"So you think 25 percent of the country is retarded?! Yea. Atleast 25 percent. Well lets so a sample. There are 4 of us an you're retarded. Thats 25 percent." Southpark; Mystery of the Urinal Deuce
by gorillakilla34 on Feb 11, 2010 6:02 PM EST up reply actions
uh-oh
and if Websters doesn’t listen,
if you blog it, lemurckle will come and buyWebsters. That is his point in every post.
(Quote as found in the Hechevarria thread…)
Yes....
Maybe if Websters doesn’t listen we can blog that “lemurckle” needs to buy them too. Then they can publish the new definition of sale. It’s all a little too easy….
"So you think 25 percent of the country is retarded?! Yea. Atleast 25 percent. Well lets so a sample. There are 4 of us an you're retarded. Thats 25 percent." Southpark; Mystery of the Urinal Deuce
by gorillakilla34 on Feb 11, 2010 6:20 PM EST up reply actions
Upside
Upside is the big word. SS is that one position that I think about most when it comes the future of this franchise. Cedeno has had enough MLB at bats to, at least, gauge whether he has the potential to be a regular, quality player. I would love to give Arias a shot, if the price is right, and let him play. We really have nothing to lose.
Pearce seems to be in a very comparable position to Arias. It would be good to give both players a chance.
not really all THAT big… only 2 syllables…
by BlindSquirrel on Feb 11, 2010 7:39 PM EST up reply actions
Arias has played 2B (2008 and 09), 3B (06 and 09), and SS (06)
According to his stats, it looks like he played SS in the minors only in 2006, Maybe he should be a backup at 2B , with the option to backup at 3B and SS in a pinch.
He's played mostly SS in the minors.
663 games there, compared to 82 at 2B and 1 at 3B. All of his 111 games at AAA last year were as a shortstop.
Arias looks intriguing, but don’t the Pirates need an inexpensive right-handed 1B/OF who could let them rest guys like Garrett Jones or Jeff Clement against tough lefties, too?
I'd like to see it.
But since they apparently don’t plan on using Pearce in that role, they may as well cash him in for something else that they need instead.
If they really want them both..
The Pirates have how many NRI pitchers that signed a minor league package? Package up 3 to 5 of those pitchers with Pearce and give the Rangers an offer they cannot refuse. Right now the Pirates have so many NRI pitchers coming to camp and a pitchers on the 40 man roster who will not make the team to fill up 3 AAA rosters. Seriously, other than release these guys during spring training, what are the Pirates going to do with them? Seriously, pick another team and do the same thing with Walker. I rather see that the Pirates get one great prospect for 5 players than to read that the players were released.
by formerdraftpick on Feb 13, 2010 11:29 AM EST reply actions
They need all the pitchers they signed...
…to fill the rosters at AA/AAA. And if the Rangers had had any interest in those guys in the first place, thy could’ve offered them minor league deals themselves.
by Vlad on Feb 13, 2010 8:25 PM EST via mobile up reply actions

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