Guess the 25-Man Roster: Position Players
With Spring Training upon us, I'd like to take a very early shot at guessing who will make the Pirates' roster out of camp. This time I'll look only at position players; we'll discuss the pitchers later. Feel free to add your own guesses in the comments.
NEAR-LOCKS
C Ryan Doumit
C Jason Jaramillo
2B Akinori Iwamura
SS Ronny Cedeno
3B Andy LaRoche
OF Andrew McCutchen
OF Garrett Jones
OF Lastings Milledge
OF Ryan Church
TOTAL = 9
That's nine roster spots that are pretty well covered. A quick glance through those nine shows a few obvious holes: a first baseman, a spare outfielder, and a utility infielder.
The first baseman will probably be Jeff Clement; he'd have to completely bomb Spring Training and reveal himself as a completely incapable first baseman to not get the job. That Clement could reveal himself to be totally incompetent certainly is a possibility, given his inexperience at the position, but I think the Pirates really will bend over backwards to give him the job. Garrett Jones could play either first or right field, and the Bucs would probably be better defensively with Jones at first and someone else in right, but after Jones there's really no one else at either position who has Clement's upside who should be in immediate competition for a starting job. Jose Tabata certainly has upside, but he probably should start at Indianapolis. John Raynor and Brandon Jones might have some, but they're coming off weak years at Class AAA. And Brandon Moss and Steve Pearce pretty clearly aren't starting players at this point. So Clement makes the 25-man.
Filling the spare outfielder spot is tricky. Pearce makes some sense in that Clement, Garrett Jones and Church are all lefties, and Pearce has some hitting ability from the right side. He's not a great defensive outfielder, however, and the Pirates don't seem to like him much. Brandon Jones could make the team with a strong spring, but that's unlikely; he's similar to Moss in many ways, but unlike Moss he has an option left. Jon Van Every, acquired last year from the Red Sox organization, can hit a little and can play center, but he's coming off knee surgery, he strikes out a ton, and I haven't seen much evidence the Pirates are taking him seriously. Raynor showed a broad base of tools in the Marlins organization, and I do think he'll get an honest shot at a job, but with his uninspiring performance in AAA last year, my best guess is that the he's not at the top of the Pirates' list of priorities.
That leaves Moss and Delwyn Young, both of whom are out of options. Young is probably the better hitter and, I suppose, has the advantage of being able to pretend to play second base, but Moss is far better defensively. The problem for Moss is that the Pirates already have a lefty bench outfielder who's good defensively in Ryan Church. Moss is probably the more valuable player overall, and probably the one I'd keep, but I think the Pirates will probably go with Young. If the Bucs end up trading a middle infielder this summer, Young might come in handy. So let's say he makes the 25-man.
As for a spare infielder, Bobby Crosby is a relatively easy choice. The Pirates signed him to a major-league contract, and they have a question mark at shortstop in Cedeno. The other option would be Ramon Vazquez, who was disappointing last season.
That makes twelve position players, and the Pirates will probably keep thirteen. There is every indication so far that number thirteen will be Vazquez. That's a mistake--the Bucs don't need two utility infielders on their bench, particularly when they also have Young, and there's really no upside in keeping Vazquez around. If I were in charge, my choice might actually be to keep Pearce as a decent lefty-killer off the bench, but I think good cases could also be made for Moss or Raynor. Neil Walker could figure in here as well--he has some defensive value, and the Pirates haven't opened a place to play for him at Indianapolis yet. I think the Pirates will come to their senses at some point and dump Vazquez, but I'm not sure who will take the spot in his place. Right now Moss and Raynor are the most obvious options, but I wouldn't be surprised to see another move between now and then that might clarify things. Given the choice now, though, I'll guess that the righty Raynor goes north, since Church is left-handed and Young hits better from the left side.
It's also possible the Pirates break camp with fourteen position players, given that they have a bunch of days off in April and probably therefore won't need to start the year with twelve pitchers. Then again, it seems like we say that every year and it never happens.
Here's my best guess, then:
POSITION PLAYERS (13)
C Ryan Doumit
C Jason Jaramillo
1B Jeff Clement
2B Akinori Iwamura
SS Ronny Cedeno
SS Bobby Crosby
3B Andy LaRoche
OF Andrew McCutchen
OF Garrett Jones
OF Lastings Milledge
OF Ryan Church
OF John Raynor
UT Delwyn Young
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That is exactly what I expect to happen.
I think you nailed it exactly. I also think that there will be some trades between now and spring that will help make the picture a little clearer.
moss stays
raynor will be offered back to the marlins. also if tabata has a big spring and clement falters ,jones could be moved 1b and tabata and church in a semi-platoon.
"sale the team" sweetleb
This seems like the most likely scenario.
There’s no way Tabata starts in MLB no matter what his spring is like. If Clement has to start in AAA, then Pearce will probably take his place as Jones’ backup.
Also, I do think they will carry an extra position player and that will be Vasquez.
well ive been reading this blog for sometime finally decided to post
someone i was excited about was raynor based on previous years in the minors and what he could offer as far as speed goes. you guys say no chance for him to make the team?
I think Raynor will make the club out of ST
I think they will evaluate him for 2 months and when Tabata is ready to come up they’ll decide whether to send him back or work out a trade and send him to the minors. That might also depend on what the pitching situation is at that time, as if they go with 14 position players initially they probably will need to add a relief pitcher and remove a position player.
by MarkInDallas on Feb 13, 2010 7:46 PM EST up reply actions
I agree with Maguro.
If Vazquez’s knee woes are behind him, I bet the team will have him on the 25-man roster for Opening Day.
It's too hard to tell as of right now.
I have no arguments with the players you called “locks”; those guys will be heading north with them team, but after that it’s anyones geuss at this point. I personally think we have no use for DY, but hes valuable enough I think we’ll find a trade partner. It really just comes down to what Clement does in Spring Training, and then the peices will fall into place accordingly…
The main reason Vazquez may be kicked out the door is that management has a soft spot for Moss and Delwyn Young, looking at how much playing time they received last season.
And to be clear
Both Moss and Young have more upside than Vazquez (unless they eat his salary, in which case they may as well cut him anyway), partly because they’re both young-ish, partly because they really should be more useful players, at any price, than Vazquez. Maybe not on the day that you desperately need a SS, but otherwise, it’s hard to see what RV brings to your lineup.
I agree with those saying that Vazquez stays, DY goes.
Other than that, you pretty much nailed it, Charlie.
However, I wouldn’t completely throw out Brandon Jones, either (ridiculous as it may sound). Not saying that I really expect him to be around by the time the season starts, but if he hasn’t been moved yet, it’s conceivable that he won’t be moved at all. He still does have some upside, albeit upside that will probably never be reached. If he somehow sticks, though, there’ll certainly be a move made to get rid of a different reserve OF.
Hey, an out is an out - unless you're Mario, in which case it's probably two outs. -UtesFan89
Why can't Mendy bust a long TD run? We could use it.
this is the list of position players I think they’ll go with as well… only with the veteran bullpen and no rule 5 guy to hide this year, I think it’s more likely that we’ll see an 11 man ‘pen, creating a deathmatch between vazquez and moss for the last roster spot… vazquez has an advantage because he wouldn’t be the seventh outfielder, moss has an advantage because he wouldn’t be ramon vazquez… interesting choice… (I’d take moss)
by Captain Easychord on Feb 13, 2010 11:59 PM EST reply actions
Who plays third base if
Andy LaRoche gets a day off, for whatever reason. I’m sure it’ll be Walker if it is a longer term stretch (that is, Andy on the DL) in April or May. But what if he simply needs a day off, who from Charlie’s guess list plays third?
I whole heartedly Vasquez doesn’t really serve a strong purpose on this team and I hope they cut him, but without him I’m not sure who spells LaRoche for a day.
Good day.
Bobby Crosby made starts at every infield position last season for Oakland, including thirty-three at third base.
Failing that, Akinori Iwamura was a Gold Glove winner at the hot corner in Japan and I’m sure Delwyn Young could handle the odd start at second if Aki was moved over for the day.
I’d rather the Bucs kept anyone of Young, Moss and Raynor over Vasquez.
by RDV across the sea on Feb 14, 2010 8:43 AM EST up reply actions
Nailed it Charlie
I think someone will start on the DL,(no incite, just a weird hunch) and that’s why Raynor comes north with the team.
I’m not hot on Vazquez either, but he at least had a .328 OBP last year, despite a poor season with the bat, which was still better than 4 out of 5 seasons Cedeno’s OBP. better than 5 out 6 seasons Crosby’s had, and An. LaRoche only had .002% better. So I think he’s got more value than a lot of us think, despite much less upside.
Good point...
but I think it was his bat coupled with is inability to back up SS that has left such a bad taste in everyone’s mouth. Granted if his batting average improes slightly he will have an above average OBP.
Over the last week or so...
…I’ve come to suspect that they might’ve been talking about Vazquez as a lock for the roster in order to try and facilitate a trade. I don’t think it’s going to work, mind, but I guess it never hurts to take a shot.
Bench
There will definitely be a minor move or two before opening day. I do not think Clement is a lock to start opening day with the Pirates unless he plays a hellava 1B in spring training. I think he will start in Indy and get his feet wet there. I also think Pearce makes the club as the reserve 1B/OF for the season. Moss is gone. Raynor will be bought from FLA and assigned to Indy.
I believe Vazquez and either Moss/B Jones will be packaged for a LH reliever.
I hope Walker catches some either at Indy or Altoona. Why not?
Delwyn Young will make the team.

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