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2010 N.L. Central Preview: Houston Astros

2008 FINISH: 74-88, fifth place

PYTHAGOREAN W-L: 68-94

IN: 3B Pedro Feliz, SP Brett Myers, RP Matt Lindstrom, RP Brandon Lyon

OUT: SS Miguel Tejada, OF Darin Erstad, SP Mike Hampton, RP Jose Valverde, RP LaTroy Hawkins, RP Doug Brocail

LINEUP: Essentially, the Astros' plan for building a ballclub is this.

1) Throw about $800 billion at about four players;

2) Toss about $25 billion more at a couple mediocre middle relievers;

3 ) Ravage the couch cushions for some extra cash to pay role players, since the neglected mess of a farm system will rarely provide them;

4) Hope that somebody, anybody, has a miraculous breakout season.

This is a plan that produces better results than, say, the Pirates did under Dave Littlefield, who had a pretty similar plan but without that crucial first step. But it's still a really uninspired, sub-optimal strategy that frankly adds little to the overall talent level of the game, and if I were an Astros fan I'd be nearly as frustrated as I was during the Littlefield years. For one thing, the Astros' plan disregards depth--it effectively neutralizes a great hitter like Lance Berkman by forcing him to compensate for all the spots in the lineup they've inexplicably neglected. Last year, for example, the Astros' primary third baseman was Geoff Blum, who posted his annual 80 OPS+. Now, Blum wasn't forced into duty when someone got hurt; he was Plan A. (Well, along with Aaron Boone, who couldn't play because he had heart surgery shortly before the season, but there was no reason to think Boone would have been much better anyway.) That's just negligence on the Astros' part.

Things aren't much better this year. The new third baseman is Pedro Feliz, who like Blum produces an 80 OPS+ each year, but at least brings a plus glove. The catcher, if Astros fans are lucky, will be Jason Castro, a 2008 first-round pick who has a questionable bat but at least has upside, and can't be much worse than Ivan Rodriguez and Humberto Quintero were last year. Castro is competing with perennial disappointment J.R. Towles.

Shortstop, though, is an issue--after losing Miguel Tejada to free agency, the Astros are going with Tommy Manzella, a defense-first guy who can't hit and will be 27 in April. As a utility infielder, or a Triple-A backup plan, Manzella would be acceptable, but as Plan A, he's just terrible, and he'll be lucky to crack a .300 OBP.

Meanwhile, CF Michael Bourn's 95 OPS+ in 2009 likely represents the peak of his abilities, and at 34, 2B Kaz Matsui isn't a great bet to bounce back much from a tough 2009 season. That forces Berkman, Carlos Lee and Hunter Pence to carry the offense, which is worrisome, because Berkman and Lee are big guys who aren't getting any younger. The 2009 Astros finished 14th in the league in runs scored, seven runs more than the last-place Pirates, with those two on the field the whole year. If either of them are hurt or ineffective, watch out. If both of them are hurt, the Astros will basically have a Triple-A offense.

PITCHING: Here things are somewhat better, at least in the rotation. All the Astros' pitchers should benefit somewhat from the additions of Manzella and Feliz; the Astros' defense didn't catch much of anything last year. Health permitting, Roy Oswalt and Wandy Rodriguez form a very good 1-2 at the top of the rotation. Third starter Brett Myers is a jerk who hits his wife (I guess I should say "allegedly") and looks like he puts eye black where his eyebrows should be, so he'll be particularly fun to make fun of all year, but he's actually pretty interesting as far as bargain free-agents go. He's a huge risk because of the hip issues that caused him to miss much of last season, but he's a capable starter if healthy. Bud Norris will have to fight to make the rotation, but it's a fight he should win--he has a solid, if unspectacular, minor league pedigree, and he handled himself well in ten big-league starts last year. Fifth starter is a question mark, but that's true of many teams. Depending on how Myers turns out, the rotation could be a relative strength.

The bullpen likewise has at least a chance to be decent, particularly if the Astros trust younger, relatively high-upside talents like Sam Gervacio and Alberto Arias, and perhaps also Chia-Jen Lo and Wesley Wright. Some of their older options, such as Tim Byrdak (who has posted ridiculously low BABIPs the past two years) and Jeff Fulchino, are less inspiring, and Lyon and Lindstrom aren't likely to replace the production of Hawkins and Valverde, but overall the bullpen could at least be interesting.

PROGNOSIS: Bleak. The cream of the Astros' farm system has improved to such a degree that their top three prospects (Castro, low-minors pitcher Jordan Lyles and 2009 top pick Jiovanni Mier) are actually pretty reasonable, but after that it quickly degenerates into relievers, role players and dubious toolsy types. Worse, after spending a some money in the 2008 draft (possibly in response to criticisms of their 2007 draft, in which they didn't sign anyone drafted higher than the fifth round), the Astros picked Mier and then went right back to sleeping through the draft in 2009, mostly signing a bunch of players for slot value, the way they usually have in the last decade. 

This pattern precedes Ed Wade, so it probably isn't his fault, but it will force him to scramble every time someone gets hurt, because the Astros won't be able to solve those issues internally. That's too bad, because Wade is about as awful as it gets at dealing with those sorts of problems--he hands out three-year contracts to every thirtysomething middle reliever who wants one, and doesn't seem to be able to identify good complementary players. The two-year extension to which the Astros recently signed Wade was like a bad joke (or a good one, if you're a Pirates fan), and their unwillingness to build through the farm system shows that they either aren't really taking themselves seriously, or simply don't know how to. The 2010 Astros don't have enough talent to contend, and they have a shot at being outright embarrassing if they have a couple of poorly-timed injuries. After 2010, it might get even worse.

5. Houston Astros 73-89

6. Pittsburgh Pirates 70-92

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The Astros have followed the plan the yinzers think the Pirates should have followed. Too bad the yinzers are not paying attention to the Astros.

Good day.

by Uncle Nate on Feb 23, 2010 8:37 AM EST reply actions   1 recs

"Fifth starter is a question mark, but that's true of many teams"

That’s an interesting point I’m going to jump on, as usual.

It seems to me that for teams like the Pirates who have to make do with scrounging for undervalued talent, here’s an area that SHOULD not be all that difficult to address, if you decide it’s important enough. It’s kind of like how Earl Weaver used to say the most difficult decision he had every spring was who his 25th man was going to be, because everybody on the team had to be able to do SOMEthing well. You’re going to hand 25 or so starts to the No. 5 guy in the rotation, that guy better be able to do SOMEthing well. It seems to me like you ought to put more thought into it than “Let’s throw these three guys at the wall and see who sticks.”

Yet it seems to me that, as Charlie noted, many teams go into the season and either by happenstance or lack of a plan, hold an open tryout camp all year for the 5 spot. Even the Yankees handed a total of 18 starts to Wang (44 ERA+) and Mitre (63).

I took a look at all last year’s division champions plus the Red Sox to see what the had in the 5 hole. I looked for the guy with the most starts after the top four.

The Yankees I mentioned. Their best starter (Sabathia) had an ERA+ of 127; they gave 31 starts to Chamberlain to put up a 90 in the three-hole. Phil Hughes looks like maybe the long-term solution to No. 5, depending on what Pettitte does (is he still undecided about returning?).

Boston’s best starter was Lester (138). Buchholz got 16 starts to go 111. Matsuzaka got 12 starts (81). Also, Penny had the third-most starts (24) and put up an 84.

The Twins were an awesome mess. Blackburn (109) was their best starter. They gave 24 starts to Liriano (75) at No. 3, 17 to Perkins (74) at No. 4, 16 to Slowey (90) at No. 5, plus 12 to Pavano (94) and 12 to Swarzak (70). Still won a division somehow (“somehow” = Tigers el foldo).

The Angels’ best starter was Weaver (120). Palmer had the fifth most starts, 13, for a 115. O’Sullivan got 10 starts to put up a 76.

I saved the Phillies and Cardinals for last because I think they most exemplify the Josh Fogg Theory. The Cardinals don’t appear to fit because they have two bona-fide aces, though how they could have expected what they got out of Carpenter after his 2007 and 2008 I don’t know. And Wainwright took a step forward. So going into the season they really had no huge reason to believe either of those guy would be, at best, pretty good. (Well, maybe Wainwright could have been expected to be VERY good, but anyway …) With Pineiro right around average (105), they only needed the No. 4 and No. 5 guys to not suck. Lohse held up his end, with 23 starts and a very Fogglike 87. Wellemeyer didn’t, getting 21 starts for a 70. It’s fortunately for them that Carpenter and Wainwright came through so strongly and were able to counteract Wellemeter’s suck.

I like the way the Phillies did things best. Happ (145) led the staff, with Myers giving them a Fogglike 88 for 10 starts. But they decided that wasn’t good enough, and traded for Lee (12/125) and picked up Pedro (9/117) on the cheap. They addressed the bottom end of their rotation (well, Pedro did anyway), they didn’t just let it sit there and suck and threaten all the good the other guys were doing.

I don’t know if there’s a real point to this rambling, I guess, other than noting some teams DO pay attention to the 5 hole, as I’ve been nagging them to do.

by bucdaddy on Feb 23, 2010 10:59 AM EST reply actions  

The 5th starter is important to a contending team.

The 5th starter spot, reliable middle relievers, and a good bench are things that could put a team over the top in contending for a title. Teams like the Astros and Pirates need to concern themselves with production out of their 3rd and 4th spots before they worry about the 5th starter. A season long open tryout for the 5th starter gig can’t do much damage on a team projected to win 70 games.

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by gorillakilla34 on Feb 23, 2010 11:35 AM EST up reply actions  

Fangraphs had an interesting post about fifth starters recently. In it, they cited the following quote from a 2008 study on tRA:

TO BE PERFECTLY CLEAR: By this definition, a #5 starter is probably not what most people term a #5 starter. I assume that when most people talk about a #5 starter, they talk about some mythical rotation that almost never misses a start and this person being the worst pitcher on it. For the most part, those rotations do not happen. A #5 as defined below represents the combined worst starters to have actually pitched. In my opinion, this is the more useful definition, because this way, having health is properly weighted and you get a notion for the level of scarcity that exists.

by gorillagogo on Feb 23, 2010 12:02 PM EST up reply actions  

This why investing in “5th starters” for a non-contending team is a bad idea…it looks like a good place to farm a win or two at a low cost if you’re a non-contender but the odds of your “3rd starter” exploding and turning your 5th into your 3rd are much higher for non-Yankees since teams like the PBC tend to have less marquee names occupying the 2-4 spots.

Plus pitchers are notoriously variable so its not a good idea to risk having a Suppan-like mess on your hands in order to go from 70 wins to 72 wins.

Combine those two factors and the see-what-sticks approach just makes more sense.

by Say Hey Johnny Ray on Feb 23, 2010 3:14 PM EST up reply actions  

bucdaddy: Your evaluation is going to suffer from selection bias if you only look at results. The fifth best starter on any team, in retrospect, is going to be fairly bad, but that’s not really fair analysis. There’s no way the Yankees should have expected Wang to be that bad. Same with the Red Sox and Matsuzaka. Same with the Angels, who couldn’t have known that Nick Adenhart was going to die and Escobar wasn’t going to pitch all season. It’s true that some teams don’t have good pitchers in the #5 spot, but I think that’s more a question of scarcity than of planning. There just aren’t 150 average pitchers, so a lot of teams are going to end up using the below average ones (not to mention that a pitcher whose true talent is average could easily perform below average in a 150 inning sample, which is part of the selection bias I was talking about).

by epoc on Feb 23, 2010 12:25 PM EST up reply actions  

Oh, I know

It wasn’t meant to be anything like a scientific or statistical study. I just wanted to see what the best teams were putting in the 5 hole. I know injuries and ineffectiveness (and, unfortunately, death) can mess with the best-laid plans.

It’s interesting (in my mind) to note the Cardinals had a very stable rotation and the Twins had a disaster, but they both won divisions, so I doubt it proves anything anyway.

by bucdaddy on Feb 23, 2010 6:48 PM EST up reply actions  

NY and Minn.

Not sure where you’re going with this bucdaddy. I’m down with the JFT, but I’m not sure I see the lack of planning you’re pointing out with a couple of these teams (the ones I’m most familiar with). The Yankees started the season with a 4-man rotation of CC, Wang, Burnett, and Pettitte, in that order. The 2nd time through, when they needed a 5th, they slotted Joba between Sabathia and Wang. Wang went 46-15 the previous three years. I think putting him in the rotation was a pretty good plan. Joba, they thought he could start, which seems reasonable to at least try. Their first option once Wang showed he didn’t have it was Phil Hughes, a top prospect. After he was so-so, and they gave Wang another chance, they liked Hughes in the bullpen, and went to the other guys, trying to find something approaching competence since Hughes had become lights out in the bullpen. They were probably also willing to fall back on someone in the minors, like Alfredo Aceves, but he too was good as a long man for them. I think by August they felt Aceves and Hughes were too valuable in the pen, and went out and got Gaudin from the Padres for the stretch run.

Minnesota, you left out Baker (100 ERA+). Liriano was a perfectly logical plan as #3. It didn’t work out. It happens. Slowey and Perkins seemed established (cautionary tale for Pgh fans) with competent 2008 seasons, so that’s a pretty solid, downright goodFogg-esque rotation. Liriano was the only overpowering guy, and he was terrible. Their backup plan probably consisted of guys at AAA who had a chance to be Foggy, like Humber, Mulvey, Swarzak, and Duensing. And that all seems pretty reasonable as a plan for a well-run lower-revenue team.

by azibuck on Feb 23, 2010 2:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Granted

I didn’t do any actual research into the reason teams wound up with the No. 5 guy(s) they did (I didn’t do much research period), just who had the fifth-most starts for whatever reason. See my follow-up comment above.

by bucdaddy on Feb 23, 2010 6:50 PM EST up reply actions  

I've said it before...

and I’m saying it again: I’m glad we don’t have to face Hampton anymore – he took a good 3 wins off us last year (stab in the dark) and sucked against everyone else.

by BlindSquirrel on Feb 23, 2010 7:11 PM EST reply actions  

The brandon lyon contract pretty much sums up this team's front office

In a few years I could see this team having pretty much all replacement level players on offense outside of Pence and Castro… it’s gonna be ugly.

by tdp992 on Feb 23, 2010 9:22 PM EST reply actions  

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