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2010 N.L. Central Preview: Milwaukee Brewers

IN:

C Gregg Zaun, OF Carlos Gomez, SP Randy Wolf, SP Doug Davis, RP LaTroy Hawkins

OUT: 

C Jason Kendall, 2B Felipe Lopez, SS J.J. Hardy, OF Mike Cameron, OF Frank Catalanotto, SP Braden Looper, RP David Weathers

2009 FINISH: 80-82, third place

PYTHAGOREAN W-L: 78-84

OFFENSE: The 2009 Brewers finished third in the National League in runs scored. They still have a pretty good offense, but some regression is likely this year. Gone are Mike Cameron, an underrated player on both sides of the ball, and Felipe Lopez, who hit brilliantly down the stretch. Replacing them are Carlos Gomez, a toolsy young player and solid defender who has shown absolutely no hitting ability so far in the majors, and Rickie Weeks, who missed most of last season with a wrist injury. Weeks still isn't old and has some hope of a breakout (and he was off to a great start last year before getting hurt), but he's been frustrating Brewers fans for years now. 

The '09 Brewers also got a lot of mileage from third baseman Casey McGehee, who's kind of like their Garrett Jones--a player who did little in the minors, but surprisingly had a great major league rookie season. Regular BD readers know I've been pretty skeptical of Jones, but I'm even more skeptical of McGehee, who was a complete nonentity in the minors and had knee surgery over the winter. (He says the knee is fine.) If McGehee tanks, the Brewers might be able to make up the difference if rightfielder Corey Hart finally breaks out, but I've learned my lesson--I've been betting on him far too long.

Gregg Zaun takes over for Jason Kendall at catcher, and Alcides Escobar replaces J.J. Hardy at shortstop. Both these changes should be improvements over what the Brewers got in 2009. Time will tell how much the 38-year-old Zaun will be able to handle, but anyone is better than Kendall at this point, and if the Brewers are very lucky, one of a couple of prospects (Jon Lucroy or Angel Salome) could end up seizing the job at midseason anyway. I'm not completely sold on Escobar, who had a surprisingly decent 125 at-bat stint with the big club last year--his minor league profile suggests he'll hit for a good batting average, but that's about it, at least at the beginning of his career. Still, he's a decent bet to improve upon the .661 OPS that Milwaukee shortstops posted last year, and he's a terrific defender.

Ryan Braun and Prince Fielder will still anchor the offense, and at their ages, there's no reason to think they won't be up to the job.

PITCHING: It could hardly be worse than it was last year, when the Brewers had five pitchers throw at least 96 innings with ERAs of 5.20 or higher. Not having learned their lesson from the $42 million contract to which they signed one of those five (Jeff Suppan), the Brewers signed 33-year-old Randy Wolf to a three-year, $30 million deal that was the most lucrative of his career. They also welcomed Doug Davis, who enjoyed the best years of his career as a Brewer in 2004 and 2005, back into the fold. Davis has big problems with walks and frankly scares me a great deal, but for $5 million, he's fine. The excellent Yovani Gallardo joins these two at the front of the rotation. Beyond that, the Brewers are basically flinging crap at the wall, hoping that two of Suppan, Dave Bush and Manny Parra will somehow be passable. 

The Brewers will enter 2010 with a rather expensive veteran bullpen. LaTroy Hawkins, coming off a good season in Houston, joins the team on a two-year, $7.5 million deal. Trevor Hoffman will stick around and make $8 million. And David Riske, signed to a three-year stinker of a contract before the 2008 season is still in the organization rehabbing from Tommy John surgery--he hopes to be ready by Opening Day, although I'm sure the Brewers aren't waiting with bated breath. Todd Coffey, who quietly pitched 80-plus good innings last year, will team with Hawkins and lefty Mitch Stetter in setting up Hoffman. Overall, it isn't a bad bullpen, particularly if workhorse Carlos Villanueva bounces back, but it's hardly a guarantee that Hoffman can keep pitching well at age 42, and the late innings could get messy if he doesn't.

PROGNOSIS: It's hard to be too pessimistic about a team with three young stars as bright as Fielder, Braun and Gallardo, but the Brewers are in a tough spot. Their younger players are getting expensive, and Milwaukee already looks like a fading dynasty, throwing money at its problems and trying to overcompensate for a player-development pipeline that has merely trickled since Braun and Gallardo arrived a few years ago. And even as a fan of a franchise that throws around the word "dynasty" pretty loosely, it's worthwhile to point out that the Brewers were never a dynasty in the first place: they've had three .500 seasons in the past five years, and one playoff appearance. It's really tough being a small-payroll team, even when you build intelligently, as the Brewers mostly did. 

The signings of Wolf and Davis should help this year, but this team is frantically treading water. They're getting increasingly expensive, with a payroll that should be around $90 million this year. From a Brewers fan's perspective, that's fantastic, and we can only hope that Bob Nutting spends so lavishly when the Pirates are ready to compete. But from these eyes, it looks like the Brewers aren't spending to win a World Series so much as they're spending to stave off another inevitable rebuild.

There is reason for hope, however--Gallardo and Braun are both still quite young, and Braun is signed through 2015 to a very favorable contract. (The Brewers control Fielder through 2011.) The farm system is in better shape now than it has been in a few years--they don't have any marquee prospects like Braun or Matt LaPorta were for them, but there's impressive depth in the low minors, particularly in pitching talent. (The Brewers had six picks in the first two rounds of the 2008 draft and five in the first two rounds of the 2009 draft, which has helped.) This isn't the Astros we're talking about here.

The trick for the Brewers will be to get through the next couple years while all that talent develops, and in the meantime to figure out how to negotiate their issues with their payroll and with the imperfect team they currently have at the big-league level. This year might be a rough one.

4. Milwaukee Brewers 76-86

5. Houston Astros 73-89

6. Pittsburgh Pirates 70-92

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I wonder....

I wonder about how others perceive Braun; he sometimes seems like a loose (very loose) cannon, I wonder how that comes across in his own club house. I would suppose that as long as they are winning, everything would be okay; but if they hit the skids at all, it may All Fall Apart.

Paul.

"I choose to gamble with my life

Twice the risk, four times the prize

Nothing knocks me over"

by lighthouse913 on Feb 25, 2010 12:08 AM EST reply actions  

You sound bitter Charlie

so much so that you’re not even going to let them play 162 games.

by ol Pete on Feb 25, 2010 12:19 AM EST reply actions  

Well, I will let them play 161 games, but on the day of the 162nd game I will smite them with my magic wand.

by Charlie Wilmoth on Feb 25, 2010 12:30 AM EST up reply actions  

(insert pic of Pedro’s bat here)

by ol Pete on Feb 25, 2010 10:19 AM EST up reply actions  

Theres a good chance

Fielder gets moved this season, especially if they fall out of it. It will be interesting to see the type of package he would warrant.

by Deadstar on Feb 25, 2010 12:37 AM EST reply actions  

Fielder's a pretty killer bat...

…but I wouldn’t blame them if they were reluctant to make a long-term commitment to him, given his physique.

by Vlad on Feb 25, 2010 9:47 AM EST up reply actions  

They want to sign him

but his numbers are kind of crazy and alas, his agent is Boras. I’m pretty sure they’re trying to sign him right now though.

by ol Pete on Feb 25, 2010 10:20 AM EST up reply actions  

If yinzers were smart

they would quit pointing to the Pirates to illustrate the systemic economic problems in baseball and start pointing to the Brewers.

The Pirates (at least until recently) are a great example of how stupid sabotages any chance of success. (As if we needed an example).

The Astros are great example of how simply spending big on a few players is not enough to sustain success.

By contrast, the Brewers are a great example of how even if you build your team intelligently the lack of a salary cap inflates the cost of players to such an extent that most teams cannot afford to retain/obtain premier free agents because their margin of error is so small.

Baseball still needs to level the economic playing field much more than it has.

Good day.

by Uncle Nate on Feb 25, 2010 8:37 AM EST reply actions   3 recs

I disagree with a bunch of things

I guess it sounds more like wishing things will go bad more than anything else.

The idea that they should rebuild isn’t well thought out. If they were to do that, there are a half dozen or more players that it wouldn’t make sense keeping including Gallardo. That would crater the payroll as attendance and other revenues would plummet. They also aren’t really all that financially challenged after this year. Suppan, Hall and Riske are 3 that come off the books. Hardy has been replaced by a minimum pay guy. Ditto with Cameron and they also have 2 CF prospects who look good who are on the way if Gomez’s defense doesn’t outweigh his offense.

by ol Pete on Feb 25, 2010 10:33 AM EST reply actions  

I’d have a lot easier time taking you seriously if you didn’t feel the need to question my personal motivations for writing what I did, especially since the stuff you seem to think just is not there in the writing or in what I’m thinking. I’ve all but actively, publicly rooted for the Brewers’ success over the past several years because they had a similar market to Pittsburgh’s and a good plan to compete. Seeing them struggle like this gives me no pleasure, and it certainly has nothing to do with what I’ve written. I defy you to tell me where it does.

by Charlie Wilmoth on Feb 25, 2010 2:45 PM EST up reply actions  

What’s the question?

by ol Pete on Feb 25, 2010 10:47 PM EST up reply actions  

Where am I “wishing things will go bad”? Where is that in what I wrote? Where do I sound “bitter”? Please tell me where that is, so that I can learn more about these unconscious desires that I’m not even aware of.

by Charlie Wilmoth on Feb 25, 2010 11:28 PM EST up reply actions  

In all honesty its not just this piece but its just my impression

This piece:

3B – CM hit pretty well in the minors. Nothing great and not as much power. He came to a different org and they changed his stance completely. He also got a chance. Even if his power drops off, he’s a nice player, especially for nuthin’ (and from the Cubs). If he tanks, then Gamel will come up. If the hyperbolic distortions about his arm and defense are true, then they’d play Adam Heether. If he got sucked up by a tornado, they’d play Taylor Green. I’d also add that he was hampered by his knee and now that’s better. You make it sound as if he’s coming back from some sort of reconstruction and its a negative rather than a positive.

SS – AE somehow surprised and still hasn’t overcome your doubts. He’s hit almost from the get go. He just got done doing great in the VWL. He’s got great contact skills and is fast. But he’s aggressive like a lot of Latin prospects and doesn’t hit dingerz. He’s a plus/plus defender. It would be strange if he matched the prospect profile for a LF.

Bullpen – Is it really that expensive? No they’re not acting like the Pirates. Should they? I don’t think so. Will it get messy if TH starts sputtering? One of the cliches that statheads jam down people’s throats is that the 9th is just like any other inning. Even if it weren’t there are a couple of guys who could probably do well. They have too many relievers. They’re going to cut someone good in all probability. They’ve got more guys working their way up in the minors as well.

Starting rotation – Flinging crap at the wall? I think its funny that Dave Bush is in there. I don’t think much of him, but the stathead crowd has argued in the past that he’s somewhere around a #2 or #3 starter complete with numbers. Parra has been inconsistent, but that includes pitching great sometimes and he has great stuff, probably the best on the staff. There are a whole lot of LHers who didn’t start out blazing and did well. Suppan might not even make the rotation. Narveson pitched really well at the end of the season. There will also be more options in AAA during the season. Zero mention of Rick Peterson. Maybe he’s a lot of hype, but it sure seems like part of the story and the potential is pretty significant. You guys are still going with Dave Kerwin.

They’re staving off an inevitable rebuild – go ahead. Take a shot at who they should dump and when they should try and compete. There are more than a half dozen players including Gallardo that would go. It would also take a change in financial strategy to one like the Pirates where revenue sharing is a much larger support. They just replaced 2 vets with 2 minimum guys in their starting 8 and they have more coming. Yet somehow rebuilding is “inevitable.”

Wolf=Suppan – sure, whatever. Suppan worked out badly. Wolf was trashed when the Astros picked him and again when the Dodgers did. Because he had injuries, he’s likely to be injured. They aren’t all that comparable, but whatever.

How to figure out how to negotiate their issues with payroll – They’ll have a huge chunk coming off next year. Losing Suppan or not paying for Hall won’t hurt them. They’re doing well overall financially. They added sponsorships last year and sold over 3 million tickets again.

Phrasing and language – besides flinging crap and some others, “fading” and “lavish” don’t seem well chosen.

No mention of team defense

But you’ve got them for 76 wins and the Pirates for 70.

by ol Pete on Feb 26, 2010 1:08 PM EST up reply actions  

I will say this

I agree with you about the payroll. I think the Brewers have the big question coming – whether they should extend Fielder, try to trade him, or try to sign him long term if he decides to become a free agent – but I do think the Brewers have the money to do that if they choose to do it. If they do get that done and he doesn’t decline suddenly, then I don’t see an inevitable rebuild coming for them.

If they don’t get that done, then they are going to have questions about whether they can compete without him.

However, the Brewers are in a hugely different situation from the Pirates, which is they have $50M in revenue due to high attendance. If they do a rebuild, will the crowds keep coming? Can they continue to at least hover around .500 while they are restocking if they lose Fielder? Will that be acceptable for the fans?

I think how they navigate these questions will be extremely interesting. I’ve already said how I feel the Brewers should not have gone all in on Sabathia. We’ll see how it turns out for them.

by MarkInDallas on Feb 26, 2010 4:22 PM EST up reply actions  

I’m not going to respond line by line here, but a few points:

1. Casey McGehee was never a good hitter in the minors. Sorry—he just wasn’t. He didn’t post an .800 OPS once. Never, at any level. And regarding his knee, my understanding is that the Brewers themselves have him on a “caution list” this spring. It probably won’t be an issue, but that’s why I noted McGehee’s claim that his knee was fine. You’re right that I should have noted the nature of the surgery, however—that it was supposed to improve a problem that was affecting his play.

2. The rotation—I can’t believe you’re honestly offended by my describing the Brewers’ use of three guys who had five-plus ERAs last year to fill two rotation spots as “flinging crap at the wall,” because that’s exactly what it is. (BTW, a couple years ago I thought Dave Bush was underrated, but I’ve since changed my mind; a performance like the one he had in ‘09 will do that.) And no, I didn’t mention their pitching coach, just as I didn’t mention their head trainer or public relations assistant. (And yes, I realize Peterson will probably be more important to the on-field performance than either of the other two, but the point is some things have to be left out.)

3. Rebuilding is “inevitable” because the Brewers don’t have the talent to compete right now. Escobar is a nice player, but having him and Gomez replace J.J. Hardy and Mike Cameron does not qualify as some sort of positive development just because the two new guys are younger. You’ll note, also, that I didn’t say the Brewers should rebuild now, just that they have to be looking at that possibility down the road. I know there are some complicating factors here, such as that a lot of their better prospects are still a year or two away, and that they don’t want the amazing crowds they’ve been getting recently to stop turning up. It’s a tough spot for them.

4. “Fading” is pretty self-explanatory (90 wins —> 80 wins —> potentially 76 wins) and “lavishly” was actually intended to be positive, not negative.

by Charlie Wilmoth on Feb 28, 2010 10:37 PM EST up reply actions  

They need a sustained pipeline, and plugging in veterans to make a late season playoff push is different than taking on onerous contracts. MIL had a good strategy which they allowed a whiff of success to largely unhinge. They would have been better off taking a step back to reload (ie not gut) than trying to hang on the tenuous wildcard fringe. Their stars validate the importance of owning player rights, maxing out their team years, and being prepared in some cases to move on when they cash out their peak value.

I hate the idea of the Pirates making a such a foolish push to be above average. That sounds like something out of the Smizik playbook. We’ve waited 17 years for winning baseball. Personally I can wait another year or two (or longer . . . God help me)

by chicos_pants on Feb 25, 2010 11:46 AM EST reply actions  

MIL had a good strategy which they allowed a whiff of success to largely unhinge.

I think this is exactly right. Milwaukee’s problems are largely self-inflicted. Yes, the margin of error is small for teams outside of NY, Boston, Chicago or LA, but the Brewers would be in much better shape if they’d stuck to the plan that got them to where they were rather than mortgaging the future for a few months of Sabathia, or handing out exorbitant deals to Suppan or Gagne.

by gorillagogo on Feb 25, 2010 12:02 PM EST up reply actions  

What’s the point of a reload whatever that is?

by ol Pete on Feb 25, 2010 1:21 PM EST up reply actions  

Not a gut job

No reason to start over if you have some usefull pieces in place, but there’s a lot of bloat on the MLB payroll. MIL can pare down that mortgage by dealing expensive pieces near peak trade value (ie Fielder) and getting out from that 2nd mortgage of Suppan, Hoffman, Wolf, etc.

by chicos_pants on Feb 25, 2010 5:35 PM EST up reply actions  

Brewers "strategy"

God help me I’m a Brewer fan – so I see everything in Robin framed glasses. But I think their making it work. Suppan was a terrible move, granted. The GM has made a few of them – but for every Suppan there has been a Braun signing. Billy Hall begot Casey McGehee. I do think their hanging on and the payroll is getting a little large, But they replaced a marginal SS (Hardy) with a SS that has a huge upside, they replaced a very valuable but fading CF with a low salary CF who has upside and they have mionor league depth at that position…and as a fan who suffered from decades of sub .500 ball it’s great to be competetive year in and year out with the potential for more…

by Cushdog on Feb 25, 2010 12:33 PM EST reply actions  

MIL is under ‘adult supervision’, but it’s tough to mollify fans who buy into newfound success when markets like MIL and PIT generally require some level of austerity. PIT is on the other extreme of this in terms of payroll, and we’re all curious to see what happens if some our young talent develops and the team has an opportunity to contend … but that’s getting ahead of ourselves.

by chicos_pants on Feb 25, 2010 1:18 PM EST up reply actions  

Hello all,

pleasure to be here. I live in the MKE area (displaced Pirates fan) and follow the Brewers out of necessity. I’d frankly rather be in the Pirates’ shoes than the Brewers’ at this point – MKE has a large and unwieldy payroll, poor starting pitching and a barren MiL system above A ball. I don’t see any way that they can hold onto Fielder beyond 2011, he wants the bright lights, big city, huge

Hart has surprised me, as well. Up until midway through 2008, he looked solid, if not spectacular. He (along with Hardy) performed poorly during the playoff run, and never really got it back together.

My heros have always been Steelers...

by wozzle on Feb 25, 2010 3:33 PM EST reply actions  

I just don’t think the brewers are in as bad a situation as you think Charlie. I understand the macghee scepticism but I think he’ll be pretty good. The brew crew will be a 500 team this year even though I wish them the worst..

by omar moreno on Feb 25, 2010 6:09 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

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