Pirates v. Orioles (first FSN broadcast)
by FusilliJerry88 on Mar 10, 2010 6:47 PM EST
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PrintWho else is really excited about tonights game? It'll be the first time I get to see the Pirates in action (I missed the MLB networks broadcast of the Yankees v. Pirates), and I can't wait...I hope the Pirates play alot of our prospects, and try to put them "on show" for us viewers that won't get to see them during the year. I'll post lineups as soon as I know them...I know it's only spring training, but hopefully we go for a win as well.
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Lineups
Orioles
1. Félix Pié LF
2. César Izturis SS
3. Adam Jones CF
4. Miguel Tejada 3B
5. Matt Wieters C
6. Luke Scott 1B
7. Ty Wigginton DH
8. Lou Montanez RF
9. Justin Turner 2B
Pitching: Brad Bergesen, Mark Hendrickson, Will Ohman, Kam Mickolio
Pirates
1. Andrew McCutchen CF
2. Bobby Crosby SS
3. Garrett Jones DH
4. Ryan Doumit C
5. Ryan Church RF
6. Brandon Moss LF
7. Pedro Alvarez 3B
8. Steve Pearce 1B
9. Ramón Vásquez 2B
Jason
The Hanging Curve
to be thourough
that would be Lou Montañez
Jason
The Hanging Curve
by poorboywilly on Mar 10, 2010 7:05 PM EST up reply actions
thanks poorboy..
I missed the lineups!! sorry…
by FusilliJerry88 on Mar 10, 2010 7:08 PM EST up reply actions
that's ok
I was about to post my on fanpost, which had the lineups, but saw you beat me to the punch, so I added the lineups here
Jason
The Hanging Curve
by poorboywilly on Mar 10, 2010 7:10 PM EST up reply actions
that is a lot of apostrophes at the top of their lineup
And is that the same Cesar that bounced around the pirates a couple of years ago?
by BlindSquirrel on Mar 10, 2010 8:06 PM EST up reply actions
you could say bounced around
but more like Littlefieldized
oops
Pitching for the Pirates: Zach Duke, Daniel McCutchen, Vinnie Chulk, Brendan Donnelly and Chris Jakubauskas
Jason
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nice pitch sequence
Duke Ks Pié on a fastball
Jason
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nice K for duke
I’ve been waiting for a big year from Pie for years now…I’m geussing he’s going to start in AAA again this year?
Why has’nt he put it together yet?
by FusilliJerry88 on Mar 10, 2010 7:09 PM EST up reply actions
He really went after Pie and Iztures both
Nice to see him go after the guys he know cant hurt him with the long ball
isnt watching baseball again
a beautiful thing?
should have been an out
cutch playing way too shallow
ouch, another ball over McCutchens head..
who has a better career? McCutchen or Adam Jones?
Jones is a beast…
Cutch has better strike zone awareness right now
Jones more power
agreed
I think both of them will be the CFs in the All star game for their respective leagues for years to come…
by FusilliJerry88 on Mar 10, 2010 7:22 PM EST up reply actions
what happened
Duke started so well, now he lost all the aggresiveness
Jason
The Hanging Curve
4 pitch walk to an aging non steroid using Tejada
Come on, Duke. Attack him like the first 2 batters…
Control of his curveball is the difference
between Duke having a 5 ERA and a 3.5 ERA
wow
Dukes summing up his career in 1 inning tonight…
Duke walking the bases full
= Pirate killer
Jason
The Hanging Curve
by poorboywilly on Mar 10, 2010 7:17 PM EST up reply actions
bobble by church
lets another run score easily
i saw that...
thought it was G Jones at first…then realized he’s DHing
by FusilliJerry88 on Mar 10, 2010 7:23 PM EST up reply actions
finally
anyone have Dukes pitch count? might not be back out…
Alvarez looked good on that in between hop…first ball I’ve seen him field live…for what it’s worth
He'll be back out
Should be pitching 3 at this point
Is it just me
or does Doumit look like he put on a few pounds since last year
ya
looks like he put on a few pounds in facial hair alone…
can’t see him having a good year, or being our catcher by the end of the year…
by FusilliJerry88 on Mar 10, 2010 7:30 PM EST up reply actions
And by few pounds
I mean in a bad way. Looks out of shape
ya
he does look out of shape…looks like he almost blew out a seem in his pants reaching for that outside pitch, and trying to pull it.
by FusilliJerry88 on Mar 10, 2010 7:34 PM EST up reply actions
duke looked much better
7 pitch inning. may have set himself up to come out in the 3rd.
well my internet is failing approximately every 30 seconds
luckily the game is on mlb network as well. However, it is also at least a half inning behind the mlb.tv broadcast…
Jason
The Hanging Curve
That's why I bought
my parents a slingbox for christmas!
My aunt has one
I need to get on that.
by McCutchenIsTheTruth on Mar 10, 2010 8:49 PM EST up reply actions
nice RBI double for Alvarez
that was about as hard as you can hit a ball…
his stance, swing, and plate discipline remind me so much of Ryan Howard…
looks alot slimmer than I imagined
if he can stay in shape I think he’ll have no problem staying at third…looks like he has some good hands over there with an above average arm. A lack of range will be his downfall…
by FusilliJerry88 on Mar 10, 2010 7:42 PM EST up reply actions
Doumit : chunky :: Alvarez : slim
We are starting to sound like high school girls
haha, I geuss it does sound bad, but..
In my defense, I think it has a direct corrolation with how they may play…
by FusilliJerry88 on Mar 10, 2010 7:47 PM EST up reply actions
Alvarez pounds the ball in all directions
He’s a big guy, not a 3b body. He started the game looking awkward at third on two grounders hit to him. Footwork looked a little sloppy. But as the game progressed he got smoother. Strong and accurate arm. He never had to show range, so it ’s tough to tell how well he moves laterally. I was surprised with his performance in the field. He had at least 4 putouts and started a nice 5-4-3 dp.
On the double he hit, he showed good wheels.
Plate discipline
ugh, I don’t want him to remind me of Howard
I know
he did a nice job of getting to a 2-0 count, but then it looked like he was going to swing at whatever was coming for the next 3 pitches…
by FusilliJerry88 on Mar 10, 2010 7:44 PM EST up reply actions
That was the first time
I got to see Alvarez hit live. Man, was I impressed. Beautiful swing, guy looks like a winner. I just got a little more excited for the future. Hopefully they give Tabata and Sanchez some good looks tonight.
Are you a poster on BSD?
I notice your username from before
Sanchez for Doumit?
What’re the chances I get to see Sanchez tonight?
good to hear...
did’nt know if they’d bring in Jaramillo for the rest of the game, or not…
by FusilliJerry88 on Mar 10, 2010 7:47 PM EST up reply actions
be cool to see a Moskos v Wieters matchup
make Littlefield look even worse than he already does…if that’s possible
true
Think he’ll ever make it to Pittsburgh? seems like he could be a serviceable reliever? don’t know why they keep pushing him as a starter…
by FusilliJerry88 on Mar 10, 2010 7:55 PM EST up reply actions
ya
thats why he was so affective in college…with only 2 pitches thats all hes really suited to do is relief. I’ve heard he has a plus curveball; that with an average to above average fastball…he could be a succesful late innning guy…
I think management keeps thinking he’ll develop a changeup…
by FusilliJerry88 on Mar 10, 2010 8:01 PM EST up reply actions
haha
was’nt too encouraging of an outing…way too many walks
by FusilliJerry88 on Mar 10, 2010 7:53 PM EST up reply actions
I don't know if that was more mechanics or mental
Outings in ST are so hard to guage. Pitchers often go out looking to work on something. Like last year, Ohlie would go out with an intention of working on his change. I remember him being happy even after he got rocked because he was able to work on the change in game situations.
ya, I would'nt put much stock into a ST start..
I just hope he was’nt working on his command, because he had none..
by FusilliJerry88 on Mar 10, 2010 8:02 PM EST up reply actions
i dunno, but
Has anyone see what his velocity has been? looks like he’s throwing harder than usual; in the 90s with his fastball?
haven't seen any radar gun displays
Jason
The Hanging Curve
by poorboywilly on Mar 10, 2010 7:56 PM EST up reply actions
ya me either
I would’ve liked to though while Duke was in the game…a couple more MPH on his fastball would due him a ton of good
by FusilliJerry88 on Mar 10, 2010 7:57 PM EST up reply actions
classic Doumit
clubbing one up the middle
Jason
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haha, clubbing one up the middle with bases empty, and 2 outs…classic Doumit.
by FusilliJerry88 on Mar 10, 2010 8:10 PM EST up reply actions
Did anyone see the picture/story from Pirate city this morning?
All of the minor leaguers had their socks up and if their locker was dirty, they were called out on a list.
did'nt see it...
But heard an interview with someone that said something along the lines of…you don’t like keeping your locker clean, or your socks up; Make it to Pittsburgh, and you can wear them however you want…
by FusilliJerry88 on Mar 10, 2010 8:12 PM EST up reply actions
some Ryan Church
warning track power
Jason
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McCutchen
looked really good. That slider is pretty sharp and two seamer has some good tail.
Jason
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he did look good...
did he always have that overhead windup, or is that something new he’s trying?
by FusilliJerry88 on Mar 10, 2010 8:13 PM EST up reply actions
I seem to recall an article
saying that was an adjustment they had him make when he got here
Jason
The Hanging Curve
by poorboywilly on Mar 10, 2010 8:14 PM EST up reply actions
ahh ok
could be something to keep an eye on…maybe Kerrigan sees something that will really help McCutchen
by FusilliJerry88 on Mar 10, 2010 8:16 PM EST up reply actions
in the article
or interview or whatever, he seemed to think it was a good change and liked how his mechanics felt
Jason
The Hanging Curve
by poorboywilly on Mar 10, 2010 8:20 PM EST up reply actions
Whatever it is
He is working fast and getting poor swings
classic Pearce
strikes out on offspeed pitches
Jason
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jeez, Alvarez showing off some opposite field power...
almost had a double down the 3rd base line; went foul…then a deep flyout to left
none the less..
right off the bat I thought it was a sure double, but then realized it was pretty far foul…
by FusilliJerry88 on Mar 10, 2010 8:21 PM EST up reply actions
NH just mentioned Moss and Church
does this mean that Moss has the inside track on Raynor and DYoung?
I'd say Church is a lock...
I can’t see Moss making the team, but who knows…
by FusilliJerry88 on Mar 10, 2010 8:21 PM EST up reply actions
I like Moss
I think if he’s given another full time duty he can produce, but I think management has given up on him at this point, and I don’t think he’d be a useful bench player…
by FusilliJerry88 on Mar 10, 2010 8:25 PM EST up reply actions
I dont know if I would like to keep Raynor around for the whole season though
Sure he is speedy and valuable as a pinch runner, but I don’t see the defense/OBP
it was in reference to
if Clement loses first base, and RF opens up. I think Young’s “ceiling” right now is seen as a bench player. Raynor’s rule five status kind of leaves that an interesting question though…still he’s probably not first in line to immediately take over a starting spot.
Jason
The Hanging Curve
by poorboywilly on Mar 10, 2010 8:23 PM EST up reply actions
Right
he said a “Combo of Moss/Church.” I may be looking into this too much, but NH has a tendency to let things slip.
I think
he meant as far as if Clement doesn’t seem to fit yet then the immediate backup plan is to try Moss/Church as the starting right fielder, given the interesting circumstances of some other players. If Clement does stick, then perhaps Moss or Church wouldn’t make the bench because there are other players they like better on the bench.
However, I could be wrong. Perhaps they just want the best 25 players, and so therefore Moss and Church are ahead in their minds.
Jason
The Hanging Curve
by poorboywilly on Mar 10, 2010 8:31 PM EST up reply actions
Ah, forgot about Clement...
I knew there was another player I wanted to see tonight…
What’re my chances of seeing Clement tonight?
by FusilliJerry88 on Mar 10, 2010 8:26 PM EST up reply actions
D. McCutchens command is very impressive
I can’t see how he walks anyone..
Hart has a better chance of throwing 7 shutout innings
but he also has a better chance of giving up 12 runs in the first inning
exactly
that’s what I was trying to say, but did’nt know how…
by FusilliJerry88 on Mar 10, 2010 8:29 PM EST up reply actions
Huntington mentioned stuff..
He does seem to have a pretty big variety of pitches with alot of movement, but I agree. I have yet to see him put anything together…
by FusilliJerry88 on Mar 10, 2010 8:29 PM EST up reply actions
Everyone talked about Kip Wells and how great his stuff was.
I see that as Hart’s cieling, unfortuntately.
agreed
between 02-03 Wells had 22 wins, and a 3.40-3.50 ERA…
10-12 wins and a 3.50 ERA out of Hart would be great…
by FusilliJerry88 on Mar 10, 2010 8:35 PM EST up reply actions
Really good stuff...
really poor command. I think the FO believe’s that Kerrian can work his magic and improve his command. If that turns out to be true Hart could be a very effective pitcher. I personally don’t see it happening and think Hart is better suited for the pen but I would love for me to be wrong. I think McCutchen will be a more effective starter because he is more consisiten but Hart definitely has more upside.
Who was saying Doumit looks chunky?
He looks like he’s added about another 10-15 lbs of muscle. Dude looks like a brick shit house. I don’t see any fat. He’s just a big boy.
Yeah not sure about...
the Jim the “Anvil” Neidhardt thing he has gone. That needs to go. Other than that…I think Doumer is going to have a big season this year.
I wish I felt the same about Doumer...
by FusilliJerry88 on Mar 10, 2010 8:32 PM EST up reply actions
Of course...
the wild card is can he stay healthy. I wouldn’t bet the bank on him not being on the DL at some point.
ya
He has always produced when healthy, but I just see this as another un-healthy DL ridden year, and NH gives up on him…
by FusilliJerry88 on Mar 10, 2010 8:37 PM EST up reply actions
and here I was
Thinking that you Jerry were a font of optimism…
by BlindSquirrel on Mar 10, 2010 9:01 PM EST up reply actions
haha, for the most part...
Not optimistic about Duke & Doumit though this year…
by FusilliJerry88 on Mar 10, 2010 9:41 PM EST up reply actions
Wow
McCutchen swinging for the fence there…
Donnelly is hillarious
I heard an interview with him the other day. Funny guy
I love his mechanics.
Probably another reason why you cant play with him on video games – they cant duplicate that motion.
Yeah...
he looks like he’s going to throw the ball 100 mph with every pitch. I haven’t been this entertained with a relief pitcher’s wind up since Mike Fetters.
I would tend to think 13
Latin American infielder plus big fan of A-rod
I'll geuss #24...
13 and 17 would be cool numbers too…
anyone know why Pearce wears 51? that’s the only number that bothers me on the Pirates roster…
by FusilliJerry88 on Mar 10, 2010 8:56 PM EST up reply actions
he wore 24 in college as well
Tabata has said he’d like to wear 31 as a tribute to Robertos 21…
I think Lastings wearing 85 is pretty cool…haha
by FusilliJerry88 on Mar 10, 2010 9:06 PM EST up reply actions
I’m not watching anything other than this thread so I may make a gaffe like that every now and then.
by BlindSquirrel on Mar 10, 2010 9:05 PM EST up reply actions
don't sweat it...
3-2 Orioles after 7 inn…
by FusilliJerry88 on Mar 10, 2010 9:08 PM EST up reply actions
Lefty Problems..
Pedro still has a long way to go before he’s going to regularly hit left-handed breaking balls.
Pedro Alvarez=Ryan Howard
I’m convinced….
I'd take it...
We’re in no position to be picky! Just give me some dang offense! I’m impressed with Garret this spring too…man I hope hes the real deal. That would go a long way to getting us back into contention. Every good team needs a contributor to come out of nowhere.
very true
If Pedro comes into the league, and puts up numbers that mirror Howards I don’t think anyone will be complaining (I won’t atleast). I just think the sooner fans accept were going to see ABs like Alvarrez just had (3 pitch strikeout; chasing out of the zone) the better.
Yea, Jones’ swing this spring suggests he will pick up right where he left out last year…it’s even a bigger plus that he came out of nowhere as you suggested.
by FusilliJerry88 on Mar 10, 2010 9:14 PM EST up reply actions
Can he improve?
can Alvarez improve against lefties at all in AAA or is this something we will see for awhile in the majors? DK talked about Garrett Jones working on letting low and away go < two strikes – maybe that is something they should (or are) working on with Alvarez.
hopefully...
I personally think its crazy to think Pedro will hit .300 against major league pitching, but that does’nt mean he can’t hit 30-40 homeruns a year…something the Pirates desperately need. Leave the hitting for average and OBP to guys like McCutchen, Milledge, Tabata, etc..
We need power production from Pedro….
by FusilliJerry88 on Mar 10, 2010 9:44 PM EST up reply actions
my favorite Pirate just checked in at 3rd...
Neil Walker…would be really cool to see him make the team as a Util. guy
I recall you saying that before.
Did you know Neil / go to school with him?
agreed
I expect a big year from Gorkys though; although hes done nothing so far to suggest that. I just get that feeling…
I really just wonder what happens if McCutchen, Milledge, and Jones are all having good years in Pittsburgh. Then Tabata, and Hernandez are having great years in AAA…
If Clement locks down the 1st base job it becomes even more interesting…
by FusilliJerry88 on Mar 10, 2010 9:21 PM EST up reply actions
you know
those are the issues that great teams sometimes have. We probably shouldn’t worry ourselves too much about having an overload of talent…it’s not really as big of a problem as we sometimes think it is.
Jason
The Hanging Curve
by poorboywilly on Mar 10, 2010 9:23 PM EST up reply actions
definetely a good problem to have...
I just think it will be really interesting to see how NH will handle it…
I personally think you try Clement at catcher again with G Jones going to 1st (best suited defensively there) put Gorkys in left, and Tabata in right…Milledge would be the odd man out I geuss…
by FusilliJerry88 on Mar 10, 2010 9:30 PM EST up reply actions
no, never knew him or go to school with him...
I did see a few of his games in high school though…he looked really impressive, but I geuss that’s what happens against lesser competition. I don’t believe Western PA has very competitive baseball…
haha, do/did you play in western pa I'm geussing?
by FusilliJerry88 on Mar 10, 2010 9:22 PM EST up reply actions
I know that...
I’m talking high school/college baseball in the area…
by FusilliJerry88 on Mar 10, 2010 9:27 PM EST up reply actions
I played with him when I was 15/16
We played a lot of wooden bat tourneys. I don’t know if I ever saw Neil not center a ball. He had the most solid contact of anyone I had ever seen at that level and in college.
that's awesome you played with him...
And yes, I had the same thoughts about him on having solid contact…
I said to myself at the time he would be a MLB star….that’s why I keep holding out that he’s going to go on a tear, but it starts to seem less and less likely…
Like I said though…would be cool to see him as a super Util. guy. Play C, 3B, 2B, OF, and hit .300.
by FusilliJerry88 on Mar 10, 2010 9:26 PM EST up reply actions
nice shot
of Varsho putting in a huge wad of chew…was that Redman?
Jason
The Hanging Curve
hm
thought someone might bring up Tike
Jason
The Hanging Curve
by poorboywilly on Mar 10, 2010 9:29 PM EST up reply actions
lol
Tabata showing off some speed….beats out the B-more chop, and then swipes 2nd a couple pitches later
by FusilliJerry88 on Mar 10, 2010 9:33 PM EST up reply actions
well
besides weird Duke part of inning, some nice pitching displayed today. Also I think Baltimore is terrible, but, then again, they beat us.
Jason
The Hanging Curve
I don't think the O's are terrible
They just have the misfortune of playing in the NL East. They’ve got a very strong core.
pretty un-eventful game..
Baltimore with 3 runs on 4 hits in the 1st inning, then 0 runs on 1 hit over the next 8 Innings…
G Jones with some really nice ABs
Alvarez with an RBI double, and an ugly strikeout…he impressed me on defense though…
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