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Did anyone read Jeff Passan's take on the Pirates from a couple days ago?

Two years into the Neal Huntington regime, the Pirates have indeed changed. They are a new variation on an old kind of suck, of course, but at least fans get a whole new set of players to boo. The Pirates will almost certainly spend their record 18th consecutive season under .500, as no long-term fix exists from within and no short-term fix is available for the dollars given to Huntington. So goes his handicap: general manager of a franchise whose greatest ally is hope. Sure, the Pirates could rock a particularly good draft – though going safe with catcher Tony Sanchez fourth overall last year is the sort of low-risk maneuver that doomed past Pittsburgh regimes – but come on. These are the Pirates, futile as ever, and down here is where they belong.

I don't know why this makes me so angry, and I think generally Passan makes a lot more sense than most people who try to write about all 30 teams, but--who is this written for? I don't think anyone really cares what Jeff Passan's take on the Pirates is except Pirates fans, and so the only ones who really care, at the end of the day, about that unbelievably dismissive remark about the Bucs being in the cellar "where they belong" is people like us. Now, it would be useless to deny that the Pirates are bad, but there are ways of saying so without being dismissive for its own sake.

And if one must be dismissive, it surely helps to also be saying something that's important and true, which Passan isn't. In fact, the bit about Sanchez obscures things considerably. When taken in the context of the entire draft, the Sanchez move was downright bold--the Pirates were trusting their opinion that none but the most exciting pitching prospects were worthy of their money and the fourth overall pick. Given the dicey track records of first-round pitchers of all stripes, this is an opinion that is well supported by empirical evidence, but one that (for whatever reason) most teams have been reluctant to adopt. In picking Sanchez instead, the Pirates angered most of their remaining fanbase, which is surely not a low-risk thing to do. They then picked up a number of pitchers in the late rounds for well-above-slot bonuses, quietly spending much more in the draft than most other teams did. Drafting Sanchez and then picking up guys like Zack Von Rosenberg, Colton Cain, Trent Stevenson and Jeff Inman in the late rounds is not a low-risk strategy, or at least it is not a low-upside strategy, which is what's most important. 

That's the truth of the matter. Unfortunately, it takes more than a sentence to explain (as would a serious counterargument about why the Pirates' draft strategy was in fact bad; the side Passan took is not really the point), so it's no good for someone like Passan, who'd rather fudge something in the pursuit of a pithy, snarky little blurb. 

Like I said, though, Passan is hardly the world's worst offender in this regard. He's just the one who happens to be annoying me right now.

Writing is a weird profession. Most people who do it are schooled in writing (or in nothing at all) and not, y'know, whatever it is they're writing about. I've been writing about the Pirates most days for the better part of six years, and what I do is still an abstraction--I've never played baseball for a living, I don't know the players personally. I live in California and watch games and little clips of minor leaguers on my computer. If I'm lucky I'll see the team live a couple times a year. That's weird, and I'd like to think I'm one of the people who tries hard to get things right. I really try hard to check my facts, and admit when I get things wrong, and to avoid shortcuts that might improve my writing style but that miss the truth. Sometimes I fail--the speed of blogging encourages failure--but I think I try harder not to than most, and I've been writing about the same team for a very long time, so at least on a basic level, I do know what I'm talking about. A lot of other Pirate bloggers who've been around for a while, like Pat Lackey and Matt Bandi, do too.

In contrast, I know someone who is paid to write product reviews for a website, and he recently told me that on at least one occasion, he wrote a review of a product he had never used--he just went to the customer reviews of the product on Amazon, and rewrote bits of them. And as anyone with a band will tell you, an amazing percentage of CD reviews will just compare a band to whichever other bands they name-checked on their press release. This kind of thing happens all the time, and so when it's a few days before Opening Day and a bunch of people who never write about the Pirates suddenly show up with their little content-free blurbs that show no evidence of serious forethought, it's entirely fair for people like you and me to shrug our shoulders and say, "Yes, but... what do you know?"

The internet is a funny place, but at least most people know that when they go to some random blog, they have to find their own ways of judging its credibility. What has long mystified me is that people who write for established institutions (who get paid more than a few bucks a day and should have some sort of professional investment in writing well) are often just as hit-or-miss, particularly when they're writing about something they don't cover regularly. They're writing to fill space. Opening Day certainly brings a lot of these sorts of people out of the woodwork, but they're around us all the time. The ridiculous baseball opinion writing in the Post-Gazette makes someone like Jeff Passan look downright circumspect.

Whatever. I've been frustrated about this for a while, both for baseball and non-baseball-related reasons. But I should mention here that the Post-Gazette's announcement that they're about to move the PBC Blog to a pay-to-read format could not have been better timed. I don't always agree with Dejan Kovacevic, but he is a writer who works hard to get things right. And he has access to the team, and he uses it well--rarely do I read one of his articles and wonder about some important question that he left unanswered. A writer who can and will do what Kovacevic does is rare indeed. The paper's baseball opinion pieces may be awful, but what Kovacevic does is well worth paying for, and I know I'll be among the first to place my order once the transition is made.

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  Is the best but this sucks .

by Ron J on Apr 2, 2010 3:57 AM EDT reply actions  

Charlie...

I share your frustration with the overall commentary of the Pirates. Granted, the dismissive attitudes were well earned by losing some 17 years in a row. I have found that writers take the easy road and spout off about 17 years in a row and how our payroll is very low but the completely miss the entire story, which is a great story. When this ballclub is contending for championships in a few years writers(the same dismissive) are going to be scrambling to fill in the backstory about how this ballclub became so successful. And guys like you and I will be here telling everyone that we knew it all along.

Charlie, for living in California and not having access to the team, I find you remarkably credible in your reporting and I appreciate the research and the time that you put into your articles. I do not agree with you completely about DK because another thing that I’m sick of is the constant negativity surrounding Bob Nutting and his payroll and DK has fallen victim to writing about that. Surely he is a good writer and has immediate access to the team but I wonder if he has lost the attitude that you have taken from your perch far in the west. Now I’m not trying to blow smoke up your ass but merely trying to make a point by wondering how much your writing would benefit from the luxuries that DK has.

I probably will not purchase access to the Pirates blog because I can’t justify the writing style(DK and Chuck “wannabe” Finder) that will be present with the cost. I hope that this blog will remain and the good folks that are here will continue to subsidize my thirst for Pirates news and information.

by Piratefan13 on Apr 2, 2010 8:10 AM EDT reply actions  

Thanks. I’m not going anywhere.

by Charlie Wilmoth on Apr 2, 2010 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree his article is disappointing

Reading the whole article it’s obvious that his article is a collection of opinions, without much introspection on how these conclusions are made. He talks up the Cards which is easy when all you consider is how they faired a year ago. The Cubs are always given a chance to win, whether they deserve it or not based on their payroll. He’s taken big shots at both the Astros and Reds, both times giving little support to why.

It’s obvious its just a general peice with no substance behind any of the comments except for the Cards.

by Pensburgh Pirates on Apr 2, 2010 8:14 AM EDT reply actions  

Actually my mistake

I missed that he’s pretty much written off every team other than the Cards from winning the division.

This is a real hack job to say the least.

I did note that despite 63% 0f about 5900 voters picked the Cards to win the division, 5% have picked the Bucs.

by Pensburgh Pirates on Apr 2, 2010 8:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

The other problem with this blurb is that the “safe” picks of the past were college pitchers, not college hitters. In fact, the Pirates have selected college sluggers in the first two rounds only about 3 or 4 times in 20 years prior to 2008.

There’s reason to believe an early college hitting pick could have a high floor. Sometimes, one like Jeff Clement is devoured by injuries, but that’s more rare than with pitching.

Every pitcher, by definition, has a low floor. Many get hurt or lose velocity/stuff. That’s why only high-ceiling pitchers are worth going after in the first few rounds. That is how “safe” pitcher picks of the past aren’t the same as Tony Sanchez. Whatever case one has against the Tony pick in isolation, you can’t accurately shove him in with the last 20 years draft record.

Overall, though, I actually don’t have a problem with the general tone of pieces like that. The Pirates aren’t of national significance, and until they are this is the way they will be treated in national outlets. A good plan is in place, but at best it’s much like Cleveland or Oakland with less talent (because they started out with less in 07).

Fellatio can’t be expected in a ’10 preview piece.

by Adam Reynolds on Apr 2, 2010 8:51 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Yes.

Looking through their draft record is very disheartening. In the last 20 drafts, here are all the college position players they’ve drafted in the first round:

1991: Jermaine Allensworth
2008: Pedro Alvarez
2009: Tony Sanchez

That’s it. Go back further, since Barry Bonds was drafted in 1985, the only other 1st round college position player they drafted was Jeff King. Tony Sanchez is nothing like the other guys the Pirates have drafted (college pitcher and high school position players).

by IAPiratesFan on Apr 2, 2010 9:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

Since Barry Bonds was such a massive flop at the Major League level, it’s clear why they shifted the focus to pitching…

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by Adam Reynolds on Apr 2, 2010 9:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

Passan is a hack!

I don’t read many of his articles any more because most of them are pure crap. He’s your typical know it all sports writer who probably couldn’t find his way out of a parking lot without a GPS.

by Kev S on Apr 2, 2010 9:20 AM EDT reply actions  

In fairness

it’s hard to get very deep about any team in one paragraph. If he devoted the time to each team that should be devoted, the thing would be 1,000 inches long.

OTOH, being flip and ignorant is, in fact, a lazy way to do it.

You are also correct about empty inch-filling pieces. Part of what I like about baseball is that there’s something new to talk/write about most every day. The other sports all have two or three days up to a week or more between games to fill with fluff, and it gets especially snoozeful when you have, say, a college basketball team in the Final Four. I mean, you’re at most writing about the same seven or eight guys from November to March anyway, and now the season goes on another three weeks. What can you possibly write that’s new? But you have to write anyway, and even more than usual because interest is so high.

Covering a sports team sounds like a great job until you actually have to do it.

OK, I’m done rambling except to say, once again, that I enjoy and appreciate the effort you put into BD, Charlie. Sometimes I wonder how you get anything else done.

by bucdaddy on Apr 2, 2010 9:22 AM EDT reply actions  

This column angered me as well.

While it is difficult to do a team justice in one paragraph, I felt that he attempted to give some insight into every other team in our division. He at least named players for those teams who would be a vital part of that team’s success or failure. It’s obvious he did no research on the Bucs. Shame on this hack. I guess that’s why he’s writing for Yahoo.

by theatrain on Apr 2, 2010 9:47 AM EDT reply actions  

Just don't understand it

Kind of like what Charlie said, but I just don’t understand what a piece like that is trying to do. It was like it just popped into his head “Well, I have a paragraph left to write and nothing to write about. I guess noone will really care if I just say the Pirates suck”. Did anyone reading that column gain any actual insight into the team? Did he try to change someones opinion? True, writing about a team that has lost for 17 straight years can’t be easy and I understand he doesn’t have much in depth knowledge about the team, but if you don’t have something to say then why waste people’s time?

by CoryR on Apr 2, 2010 9:57 AM EDT reply actions  

CoryR

That’s like asking why so many bad movies get made. The answer always is: Because 10,000 movie screens can’t go blank.

The Internet was invented for people who have nothing to say but say it anyway. That’s what all that bandwidth is for. It’s like part of Murphy’s Law or something: Empty writing will grow to fill the space available.

by bucdaddy on Apr 2, 2010 10:10 AM EDT reply actions  

"Covering a sports team sounds like a great job until you actually have to do it."

You know this from covering the Pirates for a year when they were still close enough to the glory years that people could still believe success was just around the corner again.

Dejan Kovacevic is starting his 6th year as the PG’s Pirate beat writer, and it’s amazing the effort he puts into writing about the team, IMHO.

Perhaps more than a little of his dedication to the job stems from the fact that he is a Pittsburgher who obviously loves the city, and takes pride in whatever he’s doing there, even to write about a baseball team that always loses.

by patthatt on Apr 2, 2010 10:17 AM EDT reply actions  

The PBC Blog news is too bad because of the situation they’re in. I can’t imagine that’ll work out for them. Kovacevic and company does a decent enough job, but with sites like Bucs Dugout it will be harder for a lot of people to justify paying for the on-line coverage.

by Adam Reynolds on Apr 2, 2010 11:01 AM EDT reply actions  

Yeah..

not to mention the free information you can get from Langosch and Beer Temple. Newspaper pay-wall schemes have a pretty poor track record, except for the Wall St Journal, which is more of an industry journal than a general audience newspaper like the P-G.

by maguro on Apr 2, 2010 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

The thing that rips me

is that if Pirates had managed to win an irrelevant 7 more games in 2003 all the futility talk wouldn’t be around because apparently winning 82 games and finishing fourth in the division is a “win”.

Neither the Blue Jays or the Royals have made the playoffs in the same amount of time as the Pirates, and yet they have less futility? Please.

by Blyleven Curve Ball on Apr 2, 2010 11:46 AM EDT reply actions  

I probably would have been more inclined...

…to pony up for the PBC blog if I hadn’t just spent a month reading Chuck Finder’s posts there instead of Dejan’s.

by Vlad on Apr 2, 2010 12:13 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

agreed

I know posts that simply say “me too” are lame, but Charlie’s thoughts mimick my own. Lazy national “experts” are a pet peeve of mine. And the flip side of the coin for me is Dejan’s work (though I too do not always agree with his opinions); I too will happily pay for full access to the PG’s sports coverage when necessary.

Good day.

by Uncle Nate on Apr 2, 2010 1:44 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

um

The pirates do kind of suck, how many paragraphs do you need to say that.

"sale the team" sweetleb

by sweetleb on Apr 2, 2010 2:10 PM EDT reply actions  

I don't think its that bad

He did sort of mail in the Pirates’ graph. It’s basically a story about the Cards though. I’m not sure it was supposed to be something else. I think its a mistake to pencil in Carp/Waino as great, but at least he didn’t call the Cards “the class” of the division.

I think the tired old “rebuild” cliche is much worse.

by ol Pete on Apr 2, 2010 2:40 PM EDT reply actions  

Do you really doubt Carpenter?

I still expect Wainwright to turn into a pumpkin, but surely Carpenter has proven himself. Unless you just think he’s due to get hurt, in which case, sure.

I said something to this effect in the thread about the SI ZiPS simulation season, but I think the Cards are more brittle than people are appreciating – they looked very ho-hum for 4 months last year, then hit on all cylinders through September. I’m not certain those 2 months were more reflective of their true talent level. There’s real talent there, of course; I’m just not sure they’re quite that ironclad.

by JRoth95 on Apr 2, 2010 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

One or the other could be hurt

but mostly I just don’t think they will be as awesome. They were pretty crazy good through most of last year.

by ol Pete on Apr 2, 2010 6:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

In the case of ZiPS, I did attempt to try to account for injury history (I tinkered with playing time to try to match last 4 year weighted AB/IP average as closely as I could). Won’t help if Matt Holliday fractures his skull on Tax Day, of course. So Freese only got about 400 AB on average. For the starting pitchers, here were the average starts they ended up receiving:

Wainwright – 31
Lohse – 26
Penny – 25
Carpenter – 17
Boggs – 16
Garcia – 15
Hill – 15
Lynn – 5
Walters – 5

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by D.Szymborski on Apr 3, 2010 9:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

We live in a age when you must find your own ways to filter through a mess of media. It’s the burden of the day.

Over the past several years I’ve listened to and read from a lot of sites, stations, etc for supplemental Pirates coverage. Now I follow only BucsDugout and Kovacevic. This is how I handle my burden. I’ve turned aside quantity as I want only this level of quality.

I am grateful for these two sites. Right now they are necessary for me, as a PIrates fan.

by Brother Anthony on Apr 2, 2010 4:06 PM EDT reply actions  

The great promise of the internet is that it will democratize publishing.

The great despair of the internet is that it will democratize publishing.

"Never mistake motion for action." - Ernest Hemingway

by SubLime on Apr 2, 2010 4:58 PM EDT reply actions  

Credibility

Charlie – I have been a Pirate fan for over 50 years. For the last several years this has been my go-to source for information. Thank you for a great site and keep up the good work.

by meandterry on Apr 2, 2010 9:11 PM EDT reply actions  

Takes all kinds

Charlie, I agree with meandterry. You are also my “go-to” source and you do an outstanding job. Passan is just trying to create the reaction you gave him. Losing is frustrating – whether for one year or 17+. Passan sounds arrogant and you can be that way, too. It’s easy to feel like you know better because you follow the Pirates so closely. And I do take what you say seriously about any Pirate move. But you should also know by now that prospects are a crap shoot. How many 26th rounders become hall of famers and how many 1st rounders fizzle? There is no such thing as a sure thing until they prove it in the majors. Although difficult, I still love the Pirates – the team, not the owners. I have often wondered how this team would do under someone like Billy Martin who could his teams to overachieve. Should be another interesting year. Hang in there, Charlie.

Tom Gilroy

by Tom Gilroy on Apr 3, 2010 3:54 PM EDT reply actions  

This team

would drive Billy to drink.

oh, wait …

by bucdaddy on Apr 3, 2010 11:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

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