Charlie Morton, Pirates Blown Out by Phillies
Last night's game started well, with Kyle Kendrick hanging a cutter for leadoff hitter Delwyn Young to sock over the right field fence, but things quickly came apart after that for Charlie Morton. (Very quickly, in fact--I vacated my computer to help a student for a few minutes and by the time I was back, five more runs were on the board.) After the barrage of runs in the third, the Pirates didn't manage much against Kendrick, who went eight innings for only the third time in his entire career.
In the minors, Indianapolis got two-hit by Enrique Gonzalez and the Toledo Mud Hens, but Brad Lincoln racked up ten strikeouts in seven innings, which is nice for him--he hasn't been much of a strikeout pitcher. Bradenton got blown out by Dunedin, with Aaron Pribanic, who has been a bust so far this year, allowing seven runs, five earned. West Virginia was postponed, and Altoona was off.
In other news, Starling Marte will, in fact, have hand surgery. The type of injury he has might reduce his power for a while, but it should come back. The issue, it would seem, is the lost development time. He should come back in August but presumably will not be playing at full strength then, and then the minor league season ends basically at the beginning of September. He'll probably wind up with only a couple hundred at bats for the year.
Also, Hunter Strickland has been promoted from West Virginia to Bradenton, which surely is the result of the promotion of Bryan Morris to Altoona, which left a spot open for which there were few obvious candidates. Strickland has been terrible this year, but no one was really knocking down the door. Nate Baker has pitched well for West Virginia, but I'm sure the Pirates would like him to stay there for another month or so.
Finally, the Indianapolis game on Wednesday morning will be broadcast on MLB Network.
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Charlie Morton
looks like he may be pitching himself into a career in the pen. He’d be a nice fit there with his stuff and only having to face a limited number of hitters….if only we weren’t in desperate need of starting pitchers…
"So you think 25 percent of the country is retarded?! Yea. Atleast 25 percent. Well lets so a sample. There are 4 of us an you're retarded. Thats 25 percent." Southpark; Mystery of the Urinal Deuce
I was at this game, which is also where I saw my first bucco game…when howard took Capps deep for the win last summer. Just a solid reminder of what I signed up for.
Also, Charlie, you totally neglected to mention that it was dollar dog night. I feel this is essential to explain the electric atmosphere. (It actually was a tough ticket, sold out game on a monday night).
FYI I ate 4
RIP NATE. RIP TONY PLUSH.
"I'D BE A CHEF"
-TONY PLUSH
by GTrain on May 18, 2010 7:20 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
I am getting tired of
the Pirates getting down early big and just mailing it in. You would think these guys would have some pride or at least act like they want to stay in the big leagues. So many guys on this team are on maybe their last shots at being big league players I can’t believe they don’t try harder.
It is strange
Logically there’s no way they should be quitting on games. But objectively speaking, it’s hard to see it any other way. I mean, the Phils threw a bum out there last night, and we were only down 6-2 (which is a high percentage win for the Phils, but practically speaking far from insurmountable), but they just did nothing.
I can imagine that it wears badly on the hitters to see their starters give up games time after time, but still. It’s your fucking job: try harder.
Especially since they all know
That Halladay is going to be on the mound the next day. Maybe they are trying a reverse curse thing here and let their worst pitcher win and then tee off on Halladay.
by eyeofhorus777 on May 18, 2010 10:28 AM EDT up reply actions
I think.....
it is a slippery slope when you start saying guys aren’t trying. I didn’t see much of last night’s game, so can you cite what you mean exactly when you say they weren’t trying.
I find it difficult to believe actually. Not getting hits and not trying are two completely different things.
I viewed it as first pitch swinging, not trying to work the counts
it seems they wanted to get it over ASAP.
by eyeofhorus777 on May 18, 2010 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, you do see it
Just like games on getaway days are mysteriously quicker. Everyone cooperates in getting things done with faster than usual. I seem to recall one game during the 7 game debacle where Dejan wrote that, by the time he reached the clubhouse, the place was almost literally empty.
To be clear, I probably shouldn’t use the word “quit.” Maybe “lack of intensity” or some such would be better, although that smacks of euphemism more than precision. But regardless, all the good things we see in their hard fought wins somehow evaporate once the starter gives up a seriously crooked number.
Marte's development
I would guess Marte will be sent to the Arizona Fall League, and then likely play winter ball again. He may have done that anyway, but at least it should minimize the effect of the lost development time.
Good point
It was looking like Marte had an outside shot at Pittsburgh in ‘11; I think all this does is (likely) put him on track for June ’12. If he has a good winter, he’ll either start in Altoona or get there by next June. A good year in ‘toona, and he either gets a late promotion to Indy or starts ’12 there. And then it’s just a question of his natural talent shining forth.
Who profiles better in RF? Tabata or Marte?
You know
I never – ever – used to give up on games. I would listen to the last pitch unless something else genuinely came up. But if I was, say, driving or working on the house or whatever, I’d stick to it, no matter how ugly the game. This year, from the first blowout loss, I’m happy to tune out as soon as they have that one ugly inning. I might check in later just to make sure that no miracle was occurring (usually it’s just gotten worse since when I tuned out), but that’s it.
I can’t tell you how strange this is, and how surprised I am that this has happened after 17 years of relentless misery. I assume that I’ll come back when they start winning, but I wonder if I’ll ever be quite as diehard.
by JRoth95 on May 18, 2010 10:18 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I had a bad feeling about this game before it started
I was utterly certain that Charlie Morton would get pelted by the Phillies’ offense, allowing 10 runs (but only 6 earned). I was hoping that I’d be wrong, but it was a another blowout loss nonetheless.
I realize that last night’s loss and the overall failure of the 2010 season cannot be pinned on any one player, but I can’t imagine any plausible reason for the Pirates to give Morton more than 2-3 more starts. consider that in his 8 starts, Morton is 1-7, while in games Morton does not pitch the Pirates are a .500 team (15-15). I don’t like to wish ill on anyone, but at this point, I hope Morton is (still) tipping his pitches or that he’s injured, because then at least there’s a logical explanation for such a terrible performance.
He isn't hurt
His stuff is too good. He just can’t get it located correctly. His manager basically said last night he is “throwing good” but isn’t locating.
Thats the problem with Morton, unlike Duke, Maholm or Burres he actually has ace type stuff so the Pirates are not giving up on him. It will take an Oliver Perez type of futility or better players in the minors to force him out of the rotation.
Until there are actually better players to play they are just hoping he figures it out.
by eyeofhorus777 on May 18, 2010 10:32 AM EDT up reply actions
His stuff is too good. He just can’t get it located correctly.
Well then it’s not “good stuff.”
This isn’t a radar gun contest.
No major league starter can be effective over an extended if he can’t locate his pitches consistently.
Command, Consistency….
If he can’t turn things around in another few starts, he would benefit from a trip back to the minors to find the command and consistency once and for all, or he won’t be a useful starting pitcher for the Pirates, or anyone else for that matter.
According to Wehner...
Morton refuses to pitch inside, so hitters only have to worry about the middle-out and, according to John, they will get at least one hittable pitch per AB. He said that unless Morton starts to pitch inside, we won’t have any kind of success. I was actually surprised how critical Wehner and Greg Brown were of Morton after the game last night. It was warranted, but you don’t usually hear that from our broadcasters.
I didn't hear...
the game, but am going to watch it on tape later. Will watch for that.
If that is the case, somebody needs to beat Morton over the head. What is he worried about, getting hit hard? JFC, your ERA is 9. Is it possible to get hit harder?
I caught the last 2 innings last night
so I didn’t get to see him pitch, so I don’t know if Rock is right or not. I’m guessing he is since he made such a point about it. He wondered if pitchers in general were intimidated by the Philly batters, but he specifically said the lack of inside pitching was Chuck’s downfall. He said you can have the best stuff in the league and if hitters have to worry about only half the plate, your success is going to be limited. Makes sense.
I did catch
Early in the game on the radio they were talking about someone – I think Rollins? – being so far over the plate that his toes were on the batter’s box line. WTF?
OK, thanks
Lineups like the Phils (and the Cards about 5 years ago) are so loaded that I honestly can’t keep track – “Wait, which of their 5 guys who are better than every single hitter we have is batting now?”
Brad Lincoln won't come up til the team is convinced he's ready with all his pitches
to be an effective starter.
And if this coincides with a date just after a certain one that is advantageous for the Pirates and future arbitration issues, so be it.
Since Morton has another minor league option, he will definitely be on the Indy Express next month if he keeps pitching so poorly.
by patthatt on May 18, 2010 10:34 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
What about a third pitch
from what I can see of him pitching (I live in Indy) he only has 2 pitches of + caliber.
by eyeofhorus777 on May 18, 2010 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions
I disagree that Morton has “ace” stuff. #3-4 in the rotation if he puts everything together, IMO. Don’t even ask me how likely that is at this point, because I have no idea what he’s going to do from here out.
Its all relative, in the Pirates world he does have ace stuff
compare him to Duke, Maholm, Burres, McCutchen and Karstens and you tell me which one has the best stuff?
by eyeofhorus777 on May 18, 2010 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions
I understand where you're coming from,
but at this point even Burres has outpitched Morton. “Ace stuff” doesn’t matter if you don’t pitch inside.
Based on his peripherals...
…you could argue that Morton has been a borderline #2 starter this season. He’s ranked like 58th out of 149 starting pitchers (30+ IP) in xFIP. That’s not the most scientific way to look at it, but still.
You could, but he’s not coming up roses on regular old FIP (5.53) or tERA (6.53). If those marks looked any better, I’d take your point. Any way you look, Morton has been unlucky. But the extent to which he’s been unlucky is up for debate.
by Adam Reynolds on May 18, 2010 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Given the how horrendous those first few starts were...
I’m surpirsed that his FIP and tERA aren’t worse.
To be fair to Morton, he came into yesterday with 3 quality starts and got pounded by one of the two best hitting teams in the majors. A ton of quality pitchers get destroyed by that line-up. He has to get back on track after this one, though.
Frankly, he got the job done against Howard by getting him to hit a soft grounder, but there was no one on the left side of the infield during the shift that Pirates management would swear up and down is the best thing to do. Even though Andy, the only guy on the left, was hugging the 3B bag on that play.
by Adam Reynolds on May 18, 2010 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions
Just looked at it…yeah. He hits so few grounders to that side. So it is justifiable. It just so happens that Morton is the most unlucky man in the baseball world.
I’d still say just pretend this didn’t happen and see if he can get to lesser teams at this point.
by Adam Reynolds on May 18, 2010 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions
He has been unlucky I agree
But he seems to let down and give up big hits at the worst time. I don’t know if thats a skill you can learn not to do though.
by eyeofhorus777 on May 18, 2010 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions
Right
As DK put it, when the situation is big, he pitches small. That’s how you get massive run totals: the guy is incapable of stopping the bleeding.
Some pitchers are bulldogs; Morton seems to be a chihuahua.
This sounds about right:
Orel “Bulldog” Hershiser
Charlie “Chihuahua” Morton
I've seen the Phillies play a ton the last few years
And every team I’ve seen uses a similar shift on him
Anyone listen to Rocco Demaro after the game?
He was trying to explain to Bob Walk about Morton’s terrible LOB%, BABIP, and HR/FB%, and how those tend to regress back to the mean, and all that, so that there should be hope for Morton since he’s been so damn unlucky.
It was kind of funny, since it was Bob Walk after all.
It's awesome that MLB Net. is showing the Indy game tomorrow morning...
but does anybody know why they’re showing it? Are they just trying to showcase some prospects (Tabata, Alvarez or somebody else)?
Find it kind of weird that they’re showing a random minor league game, but hey, it’s exposure for the Pirates and I won’t complain! It’ll be nice to see Alvarez and Tabata in action for once.
Charlie Morton - Minor League Prospect
Charlie Morton has been pounded in most of his starts this year. He is not a quality starter. For that matter, he is not a major league pitcher. He is AA at best. Of course until Mr. Nutting spends some money on some quality players; what can you expect. Charlie Morton would have been back in the minors with just about every MLB team by now. But, since Pittsburgh is simply a AAA team playing MLB, he’s still throwing in the wrong league.
Charlie Morton pitching should wake you up.
As each of his pitches is crushed, the crack of the bat should keep you awake. Of course the rest of the Nutting Nothings will put you back to sleep.
Business as usual...
No sense in questioning Nutting’s inability to field a winning team? Might as well just send him your paycheck and look forward to losing season #18 in 2011.

Free your ass and your mind will follow.
by cocktailsfor2 on May 18, 2010 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Actually, if we keep on losing...
It would be number 19 in 2011.
Sorry, just pointing that out.
You and I are gonna be good friends, I can feel it.
Re: Troll Spray
OK Mr. Nutting. I get it. You own the board. If it’s not positive stuff with a positive spin on a 17 year loser, it must be a troll. Take off your rose-colored glasses and realize that no talent on the farm will make it in the Burgh for more than a season. Then it will cost tightwad Nutting money to keep them around. No player that shows any talent lasts beyond July because that’s when the annual rebuilding project starts in the ‘Burgh. It’s people like you that keep Mr. Nutting putting AAA teams on a MLB field. So, take your can and insert it. Try the narrow side as the other side might hurt too badly.
You mean
like how we traded Cutch, and Duke and Maholm and Doumit?
Nutting is cheap. Nutting is cheap. Nutting is cheap. Blah, blah, blah.
Nutting doesn’t run the team, Nutting hasn’t owned the team for the 17 year period.
Why don’t you ever answer to the facts presented to you?
Also, your suggestion of how to insert the can? Thanks.
Free your ass and your mind will follow.
by cocktailsfor2 on May 20, 2010 7:55 AM EDT up reply actions
RE: Trades
Duke was an excellent pitcher his first year and then our wonderful “new” pitching coach (at the time) tried changing his delivery. He hasn’t been the same since but is showing some signs of recovery. Not much value there on the trade market, yet! Cutch will be gone by July 2011 as will Doumit. Malholm is too iffy on the mound. Not consistent. He could go this July.
I know Nutting has only been the Owner for 2 years but it sure seems like it’s new owner, same as the old owner. IMHO!
Go away.
Fact based, logical reasoning or GTFO.
by thecheeseisblue on May 20, 2010 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Typical response from Mom's basement
A typical forum response from someone who still resides with mommy in her basement. Gee, I must be gay because I don’t agree with the direction the team is going. But you are straight because you are a legend in your own mind and know it all.Typical, I can hide behind the anonymity of the internet b.s.
Actually,
I think he was insinuating it because of your “can insertion” remark.
His comment was out of line. As was your reply. Both have been flagged.
Free your ass and your mind will follow.
by cocktailsfor2 on May 20, 2010 7:56 AM EDT up reply actions
Can insertion comment
That was aimed at you, not ryebr3ad. Not sure why HE took offense.

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